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12:13 AM
Yay, 3 hot meta post
 
@RyanM Comment added. Thanks.
 
I'm curious if this works myself
 
I think it's supposed to, but it would be nice to know.
 
@Makyen Got it.
 
12:39 AM
@RyanM Great! Thanks!
 
Np, happy to help :-)
 
Scientifically Observed Comment View Report
 
:)
 
1:26 AM
@Makyen 6.5 hours is much much longer than I want to spend :-P
 
1:40 AM
@TylerH Yeah, but once you start it, it's just a "let it go until it's done" sort of thing. It's not like you have to be monitoring it the whole time. At least it's not one of the heavily used review queues, where it could be 10+ days. :)
 
@Makyen all the more reason they should put userids in the review item table :-P
 
@TylerH I'm not disagreeing with that, but it's far more likely that you'll be able to get something usable from scraping the review history than it is that you'll see them add that in a short time-frame. :(
I'd bet quite a bit that it would be possible to scrape the full history of every review queue on SO prior to SE adding userids in the review item table. :;
 
seriously... a mod declined my NLN flag on a "+1 great question" comment... other sites really are a different world out there.
 
@TylerH Really? Which?
 
I'd rather not link to it to avoid targeting/undue attention, especially since it's a different site
just some minor anonymized venting :-)
 
1:55 AM
Ahh, I was thinking that it was an answer. BTW, aren't those comment single flag?
 
Heh "minor anonymized venting" ... I'll have to remember that one =D
 
@Braiam it is long enough to not auto flag, though close to the limit I'm sure
I thought it would auto flag honestly when I flagged it
 
@bad_coder Thank you!
Congratulation on your achievement, @bad_coder! Keep it up :)
 
2:39 AM
Quick question: Can a sub 3k user see who close voted a question?
 
@10Rep Yes, via the timeline
 
@10Rep Try it out. Click on the history link of a closed post.
 
(assuming that it was successfully closed. Otherwise, only moderators can tell who cast close votes.)
 
@DanielWiddis But I thought only >3k users should be able to see it!
I remember seeing a meta post that they changed it up.
 
@10Rep Only 3k+ users are shown the information prominently (i.e., on the post itself, without going to the timeline)
 
2:42 AM
@RyanM So it's intentional?
 
Yep
 
OK, then, I'll scrap my bug report
 
> Because post owners are still able to see who voted to close/reopen their question by going into the post history, it would be inaccurate to say that they do not have access to that information. It's merely harder to reach (and lower rep users are much less likely to find it).
 
^ is that a new feature?
 
2:50 AM
@RyanM Hmm, just noticed it. Probably shouldn't leave comments of that type.
@bad_coder Late to the party, but I want to ask you: Do you delete the auto comment once you are done editing? It's pretty hard to review h&I, especially for a guy with no patience like me.
 
3:11 AM
@KenWhite I can see that potentially being on-topic if there were a coding question around filtering by IP...
 
@DanielWiddis Potentially, but it doesn't. It needs more focus to make it a programming question.
 
@KenWhite I agree, I cast the final closing vote for it. Have actually had to consider that question while coding, though!
 
3:48 AM
@AlonEitan That question has no comments… I’m wondering where the typo is?
 
@AlonEitan Is it a a forgotten $?
 
aha yeah, must be ('vendor').onchange
/me added a comment there
 
4:12 AM
@sideshowbarker and @Vega ('vendor') no <vendor> element there and they forgotten the $ :)
 
Also i'm not sure if onchange is a valid jquery event - I didn't use jQuery for a lot of time
 
 
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5:40 AM
@10Rep Not sure I understand this edit. There's a world of difference between deleting an account and not get notifications from it. I see that you answered it, but you changed the meaning of the Question. Why not just ask your own?
 
@Scratte I think the context makes clear that they did mean to ask how to delete their profile on that site. The largest clue being the answer that they accepted.
 
@RyanM Hmm.. I guess then a little mode editing is needed in the body then.
 
Probably.
 
Strangely.. I am hiding two accounts already. Not sure if I'd get notifications from them. I surely hope not.
 
Pretty sure I would get notifications from accounts I've hidden from public view
It'd be pretty unlikely to happen, though, since there's not any content that any non-moderator could use to trigger a notification.
 
5:47 AM
But.. that was my point. Users can't find the original question of this Question anymore. Finding out how to delete an account is easy. Finding how to to unsubsribe from this is hard. There was a good title there.
 
You could always ask that question :-)
 
It was asked..
 
In this case, the OP clearly intended to ask how to delete an account, despite what they put in the title
If I had a dollar every time the question in the body was different than the one in the title, I could retire :-)
 
Are you sure?... They didn't just accept that it's not possible and just went with it? The comment on the post seems to point in that direction.
 
Fairly confident. The other reason is that they specifically call out the list of accounts in their profile.
Also, when told they could delete or hide the profiles, they thanked the person who suggested that and asked how to do it
 
5:50 AM
@RyanM But a title that says "Plz help me Im stuck up for daiz" is not wrong :)
 
Finally, asking how to unsubscribe from notifications on a site where you have no content does not make much sense: it won't send notifications.
 
@RyanM You could have a comment on a post. And not want to know if anyone @-pings you on it.
Like.. "+1 great answer" as apparently is deliberately kept on some other sites. Declining flags on them :D
 
@Scratte They don't, though. The only thing they've done on any of those sites is cast a single upvote on Retrocomputing.
 
@RyanM I see. But posts aren't just for the user that asks it. It's for anyone with a similar question, no? :) Sorry.. triple ping.
 
@Scratte Sure, but then you'd have a question with an unrelated accepted answer. There's no point fighting with the OP's intent here: just create another question.
 
5:58 AM
@RyanM Heh.. I'll pass on asking meta. I expect I already know how to avoid getting notifications from other sites :)
 
@AlonEitan is that an MCVE? There's no AJAX call there.
 
@RyanM I assume loadMain() is the AJAX function, probably the issue is the Flag the OP is setting - It's not the best MCVE ever, I agree...
 
Fair enough. I've seen worse.
@Scratte Comments say it's T-SQL...which on further reflection is a bit unclear...
 
@RyanM A moderator once told me that the author needs to edit in the details. Though they can be edited in by someone other than the author to make it on-topic. However, it seems not even the author is clear about what they want in the result :)
 
@bad_coder sounds right to me. Made easier: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1285726/…
 
6:10 AM
Apart from being unclear, it's probably dupe nr. 25684 about how to get the top one row after ordering :)
..but finding those Questions are tricky, since the titles are often not helping :(
 
6:34 AM
Does an accept push a Question out of Triage?
 
7:34 AM
@TylerH this is how you would do that: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1285790
 
I have question for mods (or anyone else who would know what is the best course of action) There are two highly visited questions 670 K and 1.9 mil that belong on Server Fault. Both are closed and one is on its way to be deleted. I know that mods cannot migrate old questions, they can only lock them or escalate to CMs. Should I use custom flag asking for migration or something else?
 
7:50 AM
@DalijaPrasnikar "Something else" could be "Please lock this post. I believe it has value due to its views. By the delete votes, it seems it's about to be deleted". I can't say if you'll get it declined though.
It I remember correctly, only developers can migrate old posts. So moderators would have to escalate it, if they agreed that it should be migrated.
 
@Scratte I am not worried about declined flags... I don't have too many... it is more about failing to relay the correct message. But, thanks... you gave me the idea how to phrase it.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar asking for migration is useless. That is not going to happen.
Ask for an historical lock
 
@rene This is why we can't have nice things... thanks for the tip
 
^ referring to delete votes? :)
 
8:06 AM
@DanielWiddis I see you picked one of the possible duplicates on this. Too bad we're out of hammers :D
 
8:53 AM
@10Rep That has a complicated explanation...The comments are "by design" to call the askers attention, but the problem is: The poster might login tomorrow, next week, or next month...So there's overhead in terms of work because before deleting you'd have to check and ensure the poster at least saw your comment.
@10Rep that raises the question: Is it reasonable to delete the comments after 1 week, 2 weeks? Personally I decided to wait until after getting the badge. In the meanwhile, someone had started shadowing me and flagging the comments. So I deleted a few, others were flagged and mod deleted.
 
9:19 AM
I did not expect a self-answer that starts with "Not sure if this is what you need?" :)
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@Scratte OP was trying to add details or clarity but posted an answer instead...
I think it will be OK with the code moved from the answer to the question
 
@Nick Yes, I realize that now :) I'll keep my tiny flag on it until it's been edited though.
@rene Please bin this request of mine
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (on request)
 
I'm not sure because these questions seem to be tricky and this one even got an upvote: Is this question not off-topic?
 
9:30 AM
@JeanneDark my experience with is that everything gets upvotes. Down to the most horrible "How ged dis effekt in ma app" questions.
 
@JeanneDark sounds more like a customer support question.
 
Thanks! Customer support is also what it looks like to me. At least not about programming
 
@rene great minds think alike
 
@JeanneDark here is the meta canonical: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/272165/…
 
@rene Thank you!
 
9:47 AM
If I check my Profife -> Activity -> Summary it will tell me how many votes I cast. The number of votes doesn't correspond to the count in Activity -> Votes -> Upvote, which are fewer than the summary tells me. Will that change at 10K when I can see deleted posts?
 
@Scratte I think not. I also see a smaller number in the specific page than on the summary page.
... difference is about 80.
 
Anyone with google-play, google payment API or similar knowledge can chip in here? OP keeps insisting that it is not a customer support question
@AdrianMole the summary page is public no? That one won't see deleted post probably
 
The summary page shows the larger of the two numbers.
 
slowly backs off with his tail between his legs
 
@AdrianMole Hmm.. this is a little annoying though. It mean I'll have to locally log every upvote I do from now on, putting another hamper on the entire voting process.
 
10:07 AM
Why is the serial downvote reversal threshold so widely known? It's the second day in a row I received two DVs in quick succession on old, inactive questions
 
@Adriaan They're from someone that reads meta?
 
@Scratte If I knew who done it, I'd have database access and the possibility to reverse them... I'd guess they are from someone caught before by the reversal script and has someone ether researched, or by experience found the threshold
 
@Adriaan I have heard a rumour that if it keeps happening and you suspect it's the same individual, you can raise a flag and explain it. Target voting isn't OK just because they managed to avoid the reversal script.
 
@Scratte I know; have already flagged. I'm just frustrated that it's the second time this year that this happens for multiple days in a row. Last time they even dismissed my flag with more or less the message "Meh".
I know votes normally aren't personal, but serial downvotes sure are.
 
@Adriaan That is a strange reply. Especially if votes are suppose to be content rating.
 
10:21 AM
@Scratte problem is that mods can't do a thing, as votes are private, even to mods. So it needs to be escalated to SE devs, and they apparently have more pressing things to do than investigate a petty few down votes on an account where rep no longer matters
 
@Adriaan Not sure it's about reputation. I thought it was about rating the content. If someone is doing it to your account, they're likely to do it someone else's account too. Of course one that argue that there's nothing wrong with upvoting bad posts and downvoting good ones, so maybe the content rating is just "hoping that most users will do it right"
 
@desertnaut I think that's really more "needs debugging details"
 
@Nick it struck me as "needs clarity"; code is reproducible, so I wouldn't go for "debugging details"
 
10:36 AM
@desertnaut but it doesn't say what the expected output and actual output are...
 
@Nick yes, you do have a point
 
@desertnaut it's one of those 6 of one, half a dozen of the other votes...
 
@desertnaut Did you know there's a little arrow at the right of every message that you can click to reply to a message?
 
@Nick like that?
 
Yes :)
Saves all the Nick's getting pinged when you @Nick :D
 
10:44 AM
@Nick How did you figure out that I didn't know???!!! :)
 
11:01 AM
 
11:34 AM
@Adriaan Yeah, I vtc as no desired results, "and if there is a - at the end" if there is a - then what?
 
11:45 AM
@Nick OP added info. Is it OK now?
 
Okay in that it has all the information it needs sure :p
 
12:08 PM
Morning
 
U no ninja me ...
 
@rene I ninja U
 
I bet you do ....
 
12:34 PM
@kayess :D
 
That tag is also interesting: "Anything about personal computers."
 
@JeanneDark has been suggested for burnination already, here (I made a dupe question a month or so back(
 
@JeanneDark But it has interesting questions... stackoverflow.com/questions/63593023/pc-from-artgrid-commercial
 
A tag worth keeping an eye on!
 
378 questions only, would be a low-hanging buninate effort, especially given the first page of new quesions containing a lot of hardware related questions which are already closed
 
1:17 PM
@JeanneDark :O I would have expected that to be about
 
stackoverflow.com seems down
 
repro'd
 
looks that way
 
> The service is unavailable.
 
It's not down, it's just sleeping. :-)
 
1:27 PM
I am stuck in the review queue :)
 
it's back for me
 
Back for me too
 
same
its back
 
@AdrianMole it is dead ...
 
Can we eat it? :)
 
1:31 PM
@Scratte Not if you are vegan or vegetarian ... it's full of spam.
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@JeanneDark how is that not about programming?
op is using code to manage an API call
 
@TylerH Okay, then please trash the request. thanks!
 
Doesn't it still need to get closed due to.. images of code?
 
@TylerH Api call?
You sure?
Tableau api calls resides in a rest endpoint help.tableau.com/current/api/rest_api/en-us/REST/rest_api.htm
 
It looks like code to me.. they seem to be trying to use code to control what is shown.
 
1:42 PM
Previous discussion about it meta.stackoverflow.com/q/399671/792066
 
@Braiam That's what I had in mind
 
1:59 PM
@Braiam not sure what you are trying to say; you still have to make an API call even if it is in a REST endpoint
 
@TylerH That question isn't using what Tableau calls their API. It's just using Tableau. That said, it's as on-topic as a question about Excel is.
 
@JeanneDark let me take a closer look at the question; it could still be closeable for another reason
 
@TylerH That's the point, they aren't using the rest api ;)
 
@MattB. If the code in the images it posted as text.
@Braiam How is it different than excel Questions?
 
@Braiam I don't follow your line of reasoning. First you said they are not making an API call because the API calls reside behind a REST endpoint. Now you are saying they are not using the API at all. Which is it?
@MattB. You're right; it looks like they are having an issue with how to show an additional calculated field or something very similar to that. Needs more details
also btw @Braiam there are a lot of APIs for Tableau tableau.com/developer/tools
 
2:07 PM
@TylerH They aren't using the REST api, I was under the impression that the -api tag was only for questions about the rest api, and that only questions about the rest api are on topic.
@TylerH Tabpy and rserve has their own tags meta.stackoverflow.com/a/399675/792066
 
The biggest problem here is Cody went ahead and did a bunch of tag reshuffling without asking any of the SMEs
@Braiam cool, that's two of them, but there are a dozen more at least
 
@TylerH None of which the question is asking about ;)
Once you identify which topic is the question asking about, you would be able to determine if it's on topic.
 
Like I said, the issue is Cody's tag shuffling. I saw the tableau-api tag not realizing all other tableau tags had been hidden behind that one as synonyms
 
Cody's fault as usual
 
@AndrasDeak I'd !!/blame but it'd probably just point to me :-P
 
2:22 PM
Wow, what a complete destruction of information with those Tableau tag synonyms.
 
2:53 PM
@Makyen prepare to have to refactor all your userscripts meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353446/new-post-formatting
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3:09 PM
^^ a mere 1485 upvotes, but it's still POB...
 
@DavidBuck good candidate for a historical lock
 
@TylerH And now it has one
 
3:36 PM
@DavidBuck Good comment on this answer ... but what should we do about all the others?
... I've just come across two (consecutively) in the Late Answers review.
 
@AdrianMole Voilaaaa by any chance? I've mod flagged both of them
 
OK - I'll leave it at that and skip the reviews.
 
Probably for the best
 
huh, answer votes are locked in a lot earlier than I remember
I thought it was like 15 mins or 30 mins or something
 
@TylerH ... or until your socket pup edits them.
 
3:51 PM
"socket pup" - that's just made me chuckle :p
 
@AdrianMole woof
gotta have a sock with 2k rep though
I tried to undo a vote because further reading in the same question made me realize the vote I had cast was wrong, despite a convincing argument. That was only ~8 minutes after casting. Seems like hardly enough time to ensure a vote is properly 'locked in'...
In the past I know I've been frustrated that I could change a vote later that day.
 
@AdrianMole I think we should rename it to "secondary puppy"..
@TylerH I don't understand why you'd vote before you read it all though.
 
@TylerH According to this answer, votes are already locked after five minutes
 
@TylerH Thanks for the ping. It should be interesting, as usual. :;
 
4:04 PM
@Scratte I read the whole answer through, and then voted on it
Then I read other answers
Finally I got to an answer that contradicted the first one, and happened to have links to back up how it was right and the first answer was wrong.
This chain of events took longer than the 5 minutes it takes to lock in aforementioned vote, and can happen quite a lot if you regularly read popular questions with many answers, especially if the answers are lengthy.
 
Yeah, I've also run into this a few times. Raising the interval by 6-8 minutes should not cause much harm...
 
@DavidBuck There's some similar answers there, but they're not all identical. The system nabbed the pure copy-pasta ones. If you want to mod flag the ones that are substantially the same we can clean them out. Otherwise, they seem legit
 
@TylerH I usually read the whole thread. The top answer sometimes borrowed the idea from another Answer or isn't as good as the one at the very bottom :)
 
@Machavity Will do, thanks. I'll have a closer look when I finish work.
 
4:43 PM
Is this question asking for the definition of IoT devices on-topic?
 
@JeanneDark I think Standard Operations for Small Businesses is actually not about programming (but I'm out of CVs)
 
@desertnaut I suspect that, too. But even if it was it's too broad so I went with that.
 
5:07 PM
^^ not asking for tools but how to create them: "If you have any idea how to go about this please let me know, thank you!"
 
At least from a "being spammy" point of view
 
@JeanneDark Nice Question. I wondered about that too.. I've been wanting to hack a Sumsung.
 
@DavidW It was manually reported in CharcoalHQ for vandalism. That is not how smokey is supposed to be used, so hopefully they discussed this in CharcoalHQ.
 
@NathanOliver Aha makes sense. The edit looks like it removes a bit much, but I'm not actually convinced it's vandalism. But I don't think it needs me to get involved
 
5:13 PM
Yeah. Mod rolled it back so I'm assuming it's "being handled"
 
I wonder.. if I did that, would I get suspended?
 
@Scratte editing out so much or reporting that to smokey?
 
@JeanneDark Editing a post removing everything essential and make it off-topic.
 
@Scratte what's the recent seemingly pre-occupation with editing and suspensions?
 
@JonClements I recently noticed a post being vandalized by someone other than the author. Which I found to be very odd. It could easily have not been noticed as the editor had full editing privileges.
 
5:21 PM
@Scratte The edit didn't make it off-topic, IMO. However, it did remove context which was relied upon in answers, and was thus inappropriate.
 
@Makyen Oh. I though that "What's the best way to" was considered "primarily opinion based", and the lack of information as "needs details or clarity". I'd probably have flagged it for one of those had I seen it in a review.
I'd even expect a review-vacation if I had picked any other button.
 
@Scratte "What is the best way to" can often be reworded as "how can I". It's much more common that someone is looking for "how can I", rather than specifically "best", unless they are specifically wanting you to choose between a couple/few specified alternatives. Yes, sometimes, the OP really is looking for "best". Doing so is opinion based, unless the criteria being used for "best" is clearly defined.
 
@Makyen That is reasonable. But it's a bit tricky because one would expect the author to make it on-topic. So I guess it's the close until it's OK versus edit it oneself.
But I'm still wondering about my original hypothetical question :)
..but I consider this post to be on-topic. It just need a little editing.
 
How do we handle a case where a question was closed as a duplicate of a no-longer existing self-dupe? Keeping it closed is maybe ok (it is a bit broad), but the deleted dupe-target is confusing.
Just mod flag?
 
5:37 PM
We could delete the dupe post
 
It has around 700 views and a positively scored answer, so I wasn't sure. I am talking about this post: stackoverflow.com/questions/29373600/…
 
@Scratte It appears the question had more than enough information for it to be adequately answered, so saying it was "needs details or clarity" doesn't really fit. IMO, the context of the question indicated that it was really "how do I", as opposed to "what is best" without sufficient criteria. Asking a deleted user from 2009 for clarification doesn't really seem like a viable alternative.
 
@Makyen Those short types of Question are closed very fast in the review queues. Maybe they shouldn't be, but they often are. If the short version had been asked today, there's be at least one "What have you tried so far?" comment on it and 2 close votes by the end of the day.
I agree that if a Question has "more than enough information for it to be adequately answered", but that's just not the reality of a lot of Questions. I've seen quite a lot recently get closed for not showing an attempt.
Maybe it would help if users weren't able to close vote Questions they didn't have a score in.
 
5:55 PM
That's wandering into an entirely different topic of discussion
and is something that's been discussed at length on Meta before (and shot down)
 
@Scratte Yes, unfortunately, many people have gotten the impression that having some code in the question is required. As we've covered many times in here, code is only required for debugging questions (actually, the requirement is enough information to duplicate the problem, which usually, but not always, means a code MCVE/MRE) and homework questions (actual requirement is an attempt, which, again, is usually code, but may not be).
Having code in the question is usually a good way to narrow the focus and clarify what is being asked, but code is definitely not required, other than as I mentioned above.
 
@Makyen I'm probably also a little miffed over being suspended from a review of a clear and focused how-to Question that just didn't have code. I'm not really upset about the suspension but that the message to reviewers is that all Questions need code. Along with realizing that even if a Question is on-topic, it's unlikely to get reopened.
I extend it to low researched Questions too, because I see that a downvote reason, not a close reason. Closing for this reason is in my opinion optimizing for sand.. not for pearls.
@TylerH Lately I notice one Question that was "Leave open" by users with tag scores, and close from users with nothing in that tag at all. And.. it's still closed.
 
6:15 PM
@Scratte Without context there's nothing necessarily indicating there's anything wrong with this.
Tag score is intended to convey subject matter knowledge, not necessarily "on topic for SO" knowledge
 
@TylerH Context. But I see it to be much bigger than this.
 
Further, just because someone doesn't have a score in some tag doesn't mean they don't know it... it just means they don't SO answer questions in that tag.
 
@TylerH Everything else is about gaining the right to moderate and one doesn't get hammer privileges just for knowing a language unless it's proven here on Stack.
The other Question I linked to is the same. It seems to me users that didn't go and read the documentation thought more context is needed. But it's not. And it "had more than enough information for it to be adequately answered".
 
Yes, some classes of questions are really well-served by SOCVR and review queues in general that exploit the fact that all users can help moderate.
Other classes, though, definitively require subject matter expertise to understand
 
I'd say the two that I posted here as examples fits that.
Maybe we need a "SO Reopen Vote Reviewers" room or something :) Though I think it needs to be a gallery room, because I can see one sure way that could go wrong :)
 
6:30 PM
@Scratte SORVR? sub 3k wouldn't be able to participate.
 
Or maybe actually do something about the SOCVR brigade instead of introducing another?
 
@Scratte We already allow and encourage reopen-pls requests here.
 
@MattB. None of those posts were closed in SOCVR. This room isn't the problem. I'd even bet that those Questions would have been met with objections, had anyone posted them here for closure.
 
@double-beep Hm. That only is recently active because, surprisingly, there's a new non-opinion-based answer.
 
@Scratte The only reason I discovered the existence of this room was because I kept seeing the same names on what I considered to be bad closures.
 
6:41 PM
@MattB. I remember your intro ;) Did you change your mind of the closures?
 
@Scratte There are reopen-pls tags available.
 
@Scratte I'm not sure why you think that this room can't handle reopen requests. It's certainly something we both support and encourage. The entire goal is to have good on-topic questions and answers. Closing off-topic questions is a large part of that. However, reopening questions which are wrongly closed, or which have been edited to be on-topic is certainly part of it also.
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@DanielWiddis One of those Questions need a small edit. The other one is Answered by a regular, so I can't post them here.
 
Nope, still regularly cast re-open votes and push back on cv-please requests when I drop by here from time to time.
In the same vein as Makyen's voice (and your voice, too) of reason above.
 
@Makyen slightly off-thread but related. What if we see a question with some close votes on it that we strongly believe shouldn't be closed? Is there any "preventative" action we can take to avoid it being closed, or are we stuck waiting for the closure to put in the reopen vote?
 
6:46 PM
Here's another example. I don't think it's a bad Question, I even find it useful. I figured the only reason it's closed is due to "no effort". But how is that important? No one that wants to know this is going to want to see an effort from the asker.
 
@DanielWiddis There is nothing we can do except comment and try an convince people to not close it. What you can do is if it is closed, ask for it to be reopened.
 
@Scratte Unless you have some actual evidence, you should assume it is closed due to the reason mentioned in the banner, since "no effort" is a downvote reason, not a close vote reason.
On that example, I'm not why you are confused since even you commented indicating it was unclear/needing details... the reason for which it was closed.
 
What details does it need? Where did I do that?
 
@DanielWiddis Basically, what @NathanOliver said. Only the user who voted to close can retract the vote. The votes only get cleared by retraction, aging away, or upon closure (at which point the question can be reopened).
 
I don't know, I avoid MySQL like the plague, personally.
 
6:50 PM
@TylerH I did that only because I noticed it already had close votes on it.. and tried to help them avoid the closure. And they reworked the Question due to that (I assume)
 
The way it's phrased, it seems like you're agreeing with it. Otherwise I would expect a comment that says something like "why is this being closed? It has enough detail to answer already" but then that kind of comment might prompt one to wonder why not provide an answer in the first place.
Also I strongly suspect they revised the question due to all the comments, not just yours :-)
 
@TylerH Probably. But it was still closed, and not likely to get opened again.
 
At any rate, the question needed details, and was closed as such. So it makes perfect sense why it was closed for the reason it was closed. It seems your real question is "why wasn't this question reopened after it was edited"
 
I don't read that anyone really asked for clarification. I knew exactly what they asked for from the first edition.
 
@Scratte That particular question is unclear. It's not clear if they are asking "how to" or "what's wrong with what I already have". Some of the details are not clear. We can guess at what they are asking, but we don't know.
 
6:56 PM
@Makyen Ok.. This is my take on it: They want to have 10 random ids at time. They need to get a new set of random ids every time they ask the database, but they need the new ones to not include any of the ones they already got. Unless the process is reset.
 
If you need to guess what the question is, it's unclear
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That's just my rephrasing of it. I didn't feel like I was guessing. You're guessing that I'm guessing, which is a little too much guessing.
 
@Scratte It may be that you do know exactly what the OP intended to ask, but I can see multiple interpretations of the question. Thus, my supposition is that you are in actuality guessing at what it means, and that you have decided that you happen to have guessed the correct interpretation, which you may have done, or may not.
@Scratte For example, they say "If I refresh my page, it restarts from the beginning." Is that the current behavior of their code that they think is wrong, or is that the behavior that they want?
 
@Scratte Strictly speaking, the ban is on posting questions that the poster is involved with. One could independently decide that a question should be posted here despite involvement from another regular (as long as it really is based on their own judgement and not just people being proxies for each other).
(with the disclaimer that I am the regular involved in the linked question, though I didn't even notice it was closed until Scratte called my attention to it elsewhere)
 
@Makyen You have a point. Out of context that's a little confusing. Revision 6 was clearer.
 
7:04 PM
@RyanM Thanks for responding to that. I'd missed that message. You are correct.
 
Yes. That's correct. I just posted that as an example because it's a good example. No one asked me to. And yes, I told Ryan it got closed as I happened to watch it get closed.
 
@JohnDvorak If readers can't agree what the question is asking about, it's either too broad or unclear.
 
OK. I guess that I'm just reading the mind of this questioner then. Or thinking that I am. I can see how the phrasing makes it confusing.
 
I think "!!/allspam" doesn't work in here, but that's what those last 4 SD reports are.
 
@AdrianMole You're not permitted to do an !!/allspam from here, but the reports are still sent here when the command is run elsewhere.
 
7:10 PM
@TylerH Show-off!
^ But thanks for the education!
 
I got a 5v feedback in yesterday when someone vandalized 5 of their posts in a row
 
Do I hear 6... do I hear 6.... come on... it's a bargain at just 5.... going once, going twice... :p
 
Buy 6 ... get 2 free?
 
Vandalize 6 posts, get a free suspension?
 
hehe
 
7:16 PM
@RyanM Act now! Moderators are standing by ;)
 
hahaha
 
Is there a sale on spam?
 
@Dharman Red tag clearance! Everything must go
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Yes. Moderators are selling their diamonds. Want one? :)
 
7:44 PM
Which tag is suitable here? stackoverflow.com/q/63579449/1839439
 
@DavidBuck Are you still flagging images of code in Answers as NAA?
 
Did you find a method to find them in bulk?
 
@Scratte If it's more than a line, yes.
 
Why are you asking if David still does it?
 
@DavidBuck I found this gem
@Dharman Because David has the same dislike for declined as I do :)
 
7:50 PM
@Scratte I'd flag that VLQ with the usual comment about not being able to cut/paste, search, etc. At least it's not a photo of a screen, but still a useless way to share code.
 
I wish SO (and other sites) would auto-detect and auto-OCR screenshots that are purely of code.
It's a fairly well-solved problem — especially for screenshots (and not photos of screens)
 
@MattB. Works great until the reason the code doesn't work is because there's actually smart quotes instead of normal quotes
 
@Dharman Have you noticed any overall reduction in NAA volumes in your bot? When lockdown first started, it was dead easy to find 40 NAAs each in FP and LA, but at the moment it's slowed right down. I've still got 76 flags left today!
 
Also it should just be unnecessary because the code is text in the first place and the poster has gone to additional effort to make it worse by turning it into an image.
 
Oh I fully agree
 
7:54 PM
@MattB. I think people posting photographs of code deserve Clippy to appear with a "It looks like you're intending to waste everyone's time" note.
 
@DavidBuck Oh. You use VLQ, not NAA?
 
@Scratte I probably waver and make a different decision each time. It is very low quality.
 
Code in images are fine.. when one's writing a book for paper :)
 
Pictures of code in questions are bad. Pictures of code in answers are just awful. "Here's a solution. Now type it in!"
 
@DavidBuck huh, I did not correlate that, but now that you say this I still have 46 flags left.
 
7:58 PM
@Dharman It wasn't that long ago that I was at least close to running out almost daily.
 
@Scratte until your book gets converted to an e-book and it's inaccessible, or it looks bad because the density isn't high enough, or... :-)
Not that there's not a ton of...creative formatting...in e-books already (having worked in that industry)
My favorite remains the chess book that used a custom font for the chesspieces. Works great until it's fed into an e-book reader that normalizes fonts :-)
 
@DavidBuck Flag volumes have dropped some overall as well
 
Just the end of the summer holidays, I assume. Chaff volumes will no doubt increase in September...
 
@RyanM But.. can't software just read the entire book? :) And make text out of it? What about my flowcharts and images of developers sweating in front a screen where you can see the code?
Wait..? It's not September in August? I thought the eternal September was.. eternal.
 
8:18 PM
@RyanM Do you think this Q and this Q would be well served by a merge? I noticed you helped dupe close one
 
@DavidBuck Interesting. I executed a count of daily reports in NAABot room: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
 
@Dharman That's interesting. Doesn't bear out my perception.
 
There's also some correlation with elections.
Pretty much the drop is at the same time the election ended. Some mods have become active again and new mods started to help out too. Some posts never get scanned by my bot because mods removed them before my bot gets to it.
 
8:36 PM
Heh. Bhargav sitting in SOBotics gets notices from Natty probably. I'll nuke Charcoal NAAs myself without a flag
 
Which is also the reason LQP is almost empty
 
When the mod queue gets low, you tend to turn the time filter off
> flags, average handling time 0 days 1 hours 0 minutes
 
Is this plagiarizing a post that is referencing the documentation? Or plagiarizing the documentation? Or.. is it fine? I think maybe the comment is a comment to my comment. Not that I remember leaving one..
@Dharman Wow.. it almost have has a PQRST heart rhythm there around May 10th :)
 
Yeah, not sure why...
 
@Machavity Makes us have to fight harder to get a good flag count :)
I keep trying for a flag count that is higher than my reputation..
 
8:51 PM
@Scratte Took me a long time to get my Late Answers gold badge
 
@Machavity That's the first one I got. I found it easier than other queues. Triage is just.. horrible! It doesn't sort by my tags at all. Gives me all kind of php and javascript Questions where I have no idea what to do :(
 
@Scratte start a new account, get 15 rep, then get 16 helpful flags - job done? :p
@Scratte this user has a massive flag to rep ratio :p
 
Is there a way to ask the question "Does a standard exist?" without being either opinion-based or requesting off-site resources?
 
@DanielWiddis what'd you imagine the answer to that being? Since standards also tend to change over time...
 
@JonClements I think.. when I start my new account, I will not use it to flag or vote. Keep things clean :) As long as this account is lower than 3K, I could use another one and close flag posts with that, but once this one gets over 3K, I can't close vote with this nor close flag with the other.
@JonClements Awesome.. "206,326 helpful flags". They got a boots when we went to CommenMark, huh? 430,215 posts edited :D
 
8:58 PM
who'd have thought from a 1-rep user :p
 
@JonClements I'm referencing this post which is a recent cv-pls here. I understand that requesting "best practices" is almost always off-topic. However, the only answer to that question is a very specific W3C "recommendation".
I would like to edit the question to remove the request for "best practice" and phrase it in an on-topic way because I think that Q&A is of good value to the site.
But asking "Does W3C have a standard for X" is off-topic resource request.
 
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