@TylerH Yeah, but once you start it, it's just a "let it go until it's done" sort of thing. It's not like you have to be monitoring it the whole time. At least it's not one of the heavily used review queues, where it could be 10+ days. :)
@TylerH I'm not disagreeing with that, but it's far more likely that you'll be able to get something usable from scraping the review history than it is that you'll see them add that in a short time-frame. :(
I'd bet quite a bit that it would be possible to scrape the full history of every review queue on SO prior to SE adding userids in the review item table. :;
> Because post owners are still able to see who voted to close/reopen their question by going into the post history, it would be inaccurate to say that they do not have access to that information. It's merely harder to reach (and lower rep users are much less likely to find it).
@RyanM Hmm, just noticed it. Probably shouldn't leave comments of that type.
@bad_coder Late to the party, but I want to ask you: Do you delete the auto comment once you are done editing? It's pretty hard to review h&I, especially for a guy with no patience like me.
@10Rep Not sure I understand this edit. There's a world of difference between deleting an account and not get notifications from it. I see that you answered it, but you changed the meaning of the Question. Why not just ask your own?
@Scratte I think the context makes clear that they did mean to ask how to delete their profile on that site. The largest clue being the answer that they accepted.
But.. that was my point. Users can't find the original question of this Question anymore. Finding out how to delete an account is easy. Finding how to to unsubsribe from this is hard. There was a good title there.
@Scratte Sure, but then you'd have a question with an unrelated accepted answer. There's no point fighting with the OP's intent here: just create another question.
@RyanM A moderator once told me that the author needs to edit in the details. Though they can be edited in by someone other than the author to make it on-topic. However, it seems not even the author is clear about what they want in the result :)
I have question for mods (or anyone else who would know what is the best course of action) There are two highly visited questions 670 K and 1.9 mil that belong on Server Fault. Both are closed and one is on its way to be deleted. I know that mods cannot migrate old questions, they can only lock them or escalate to CMs. Should I use custom flag asking for migration or something else?
@DalijaPrasnikar "Something else" could be "Please lock this post. I believe it has value due to its views. By the delete votes, it seems it's about to be deleted". I can't say if you'll get it declined though.
It I remember correctly, only developers can migrate old posts. So moderators would have to escalate it, if they agreed that it should be migrated.
@Scratte I am not worried about declined flags... I don't have too many... it is more about failing to relay the correct message. But, thanks... you gave me the idea how to phrase it.
@10Rep That has a complicated explanation...The comments are "by design" to call the askers attention, but the problem is: The poster might login tomorrow, next week, or next month...So there's overhead in terms of work because before deleting you'd have to check and ensure the poster at least saw your comment.
@10Rep that raises the question: Is it reasonable to delete the comments after 1 week, 2 weeks? Personally I decided to wait until after getting the badge. In the meanwhile, someone had started shadowing me and flagging the comments. So I deleted a few, others were flagged and mod deleted.
If I check my Profife -> Activity -> Summary it will tell me how many votes I cast. The number of votes doesn't correspond to the count in Activity -> Votes -> Upvote, which are fewer than the summary tells me. Will that change at 10K when I can see deleted posts?
@AdrianMole Hmm.. this is a little annoying though. It mean I'll have to locally log every upvote I do from now on, putting another hamper on the entire voting process.
Why is the serial downvote reversal threshold so widely known? It's the second day in a row I received two DVs in quick succession on old, inactive questions
@Scratte If I knew who done it, I'd have database access and the possibility to reverse them... I'd guess they are from someone caught before by the reversal script and has someone ether researched, or by experience found the threshold
@Adriaan I have heard a rumour that if it keeps happening and you suspect it's the same individual, you can raise a flag and explain it. Target voting isn't OK just because they managed to avoid the reversal script.
@Scratte I know; have already flagged. I'm just frustrated that it's the second time this year that this happens for multiple days in a row. Last time they even dismissed my flag with more or less the message "Meh".
I know votes normally aren't personal, but serial downvotes sure are.
@Scratte problem is that mods can't do a thing, as votes are private, even to mods. So it needs to be escalated to SE devs, and they apparently have more pressing things to do than investigate a petty few down votes on an account where rep no longer matters
@Adriaan Not sure it's about reputation. I thought it was about rating the content. If someone is doing it to your account, they're likely to do it someone else's account too. Of course one that argue that there's nothing wrong with upvoting bad posts and downvoting good ones, so maybe the content rating is just "hoping that most users will do it right"
378 questions only, would be a low-hanging buninate effort, especially given the first page of new quesions containing a lot of hardware related questions which are already closed
@Braiam I don't follow your line of reasoning. First you said they are not making an API call because the API calls reside behind a REST endpoint. Now you are saying they are not using the API at all. Which is it?
@MattB. You're right; it looks like they are having an issue with how to show an additional calculated field or something very similar to that. Needs more details
@TylerH They aren't using the REST api, I was under the impression that the -api tag was only for questions about the rest api, and that only questions about the rest api are on topic.
Like I said, the issue is Cody's tag shuffling. I saw the tableau-api tag not realizing all other tableau tags had been hidden behind that one as synonyms
I tried to undo a vote because further reading in the same question made me realize the vote I had cast was wrong, despite a convincing argument. That was only ~8 minutes after casting. Seems like hardly enough time to ensure a vote is properly 'locked in'...
In the past I know I've been frustrated that I could change a vote later that day.
@Scratte I read the whole answer through, and then voted on it
Then I read other answers
Finally I got to an answer that contradicted the first one, and happened to have links to back up how it was right and the first answer was wrong.
This chain of events took longer than the 5 minutes it takes to lock in aforementioned vote, and can happen quite a lot if you regularly read popular questions with many answers, especially if the answers are lengthy.
@DavidBuck There's some similar answers there, but they're not all identical. The system nabbed the pure copy-pasta ones. If you want to mod flag the ones that are substantially the same we can clean them out. Otherwise, they seem legit
@TylerH I usually read the whole thread. The top answer sometimes borrowed the idea from another Answer or isn't as good as the one at the very bottom :)
@DavidW It was manually reported in CharcoalHQ for vandalism. That is not how smokey is supposed to be used, so hopefully they discussed this in CharcoalHQ.
@NathanOliver Aha makes sense. The edit looks like it removes a bit much, but I'm not actually convinced it's vandalism. But I don't think it needs me to get involved
@JonClements I recently noticed a post being vandalized by someone other than the author. Which I found to be very odd. It could easily have not been noticed as the editor had full editing privileges.
@Makyen Oh. I though that "What's the best way to" was considered "primarily opinion based", and the lack of information as "needs details or clarity". I'd probably have flagged it for one of those had I seen it in a review.
I'd even expect a review-vacation if I had picked any other button.
@Scratte "What is the best way to" can often be reworded as "how can I". It's much more common that someone is looking for "how can I", rather than specifically "best", unless they are specifically wanting you to choose between a couple/few specified alternatives. Yes, sometimes, the OP really is looking for "best". Doing so is opinion based, unless the criteria being used for "best" is clearly defined.
@Makyen That is reasonable. But it's a bit tricky because one would expect the author to make it on-topic. So I guess it's the close until it's OK versus edit it oneself.
But I'm still wondering about my original hypothetical question :)
..but I consider this post to be on-topic. It just need a little editing.
How do we handle a case where a question was closed as a duplicate of a no-longer existing self-dupe? Keeping it closed is maybe ok (it is a bit broad), but the deleted dupe-target is confusing.
@Scratte It appears the question had more than enough information for it to be adequately answered, so saying it was "needs details or clarity" doesn't really fit. IMO, the context of the question indicated that it was really "how do I", as opposed to "what is best" without sufficient criteria. Asking a deleted user from 2009 for clarification doesn't really seem like a viable alternative.
@Makyen Those short types of Question are closed very fast in the review queues. Maybe they shouldn't be, but they often are. If the short version had been asked today, there's be at least one "What have you tried so far?" comment on it and 2 close votes by the end of the day.
I agree that if a Question has "more than enough information for it to be adequately answered", but that's just not the reality of a lot of Questions. I've seen quite a lot recently get closed for not showing an attempt.
Maybe it would help if users weren't able to close vote Questions they didn't have a score in.
@Scratte Yes, unfortunately, many people have gotten the impression that having some code in the question is required. As we've covered many times in here, code is only required for debugging questions (actually, the requirement is enough information to duplicate the problem, which usually, but not always, means a code MCVE/MRE) and homework questions (actual requirement is an attempt, which, again, is usually code, but may not be).
Having code in the question is usually a good way to narrow the focus and clarify what is being asked, but code is definitely not required, other than as I mentioned above.
@Makyen I'm probably also a little miffed over being suspended from a review of a clear and focused how-to Question that just didn't have code. I'm not really upset about the suspension but that the message to reviewers is that all Questions need code. Along with realizing that even if a Question is on-topic, it's unlikely to get reopened.
I extend it to low researched Questions too, because I see that a downvote reason, not a close reason. Closing for this reason is in my opinion optimizing for sand.. not for pearls.
@TylerH Lately I notice one Question that was "Leave open" by users with tag scores, and close from users with nothing in that tag at all. And.. it's still closed.
Further, just because someone doesn't have a score in some tag doesn't mean they don't know it... it just means they don't SO answer questions in that tag.
@TylerH Everything else is about gaining the right to moderate and one doesn't get hammer privileges just for knowing a language unless it's proven here on Stack.
The other Question I linked to is the same. It seems to me users that didn't go and read the documentation thought more context is needed. But it's not. And it "had more than enough information for it to be adequately answered".
I'd say the two that I posted here as examples fits that.
Maybe we need a "SO Reopen Vote Reviewers" room or something :) Though I think it needs to be a gallery room, because I can see one sure way that could go wrong :)
@MattB. None of those posts were closed in SOCVR. This room isn't the problem. I'd even bet that those Questions would have been met with objections, had anyone posted them here for closure.
@Scratte I'm not sure why you think that this room can't handle reopen requests. It's certainly something we both support and encourage. The entire goal is to have good on-topic questions and answers. Closing off-topic questions is a large part of that. However, reopening questions which are wrongly closed, or which have been edited to be on-topic is certainly part of it also.
@Makyen slightly off-thread but related. What if we see a question with some close votes on it that we strongly believe shouldn't be closed? Is there any "preventative" action we can take to avoid it being closed, or are we stuck waiting for the closure to put in the reopen vote?
Here's another example. I don't think it's a bad Question, I even find it useful. I figured the only reason it's closed is due to "no effort". But how is that important? No one that wants to know this is going to want to see an effort from the asker.
@DanielWiddis There is nothing we can do except comment and try an convince people to not close it. What you can do is if it is closed, ask for it to be reopened.
@Scratte Unless you have some actual evidence, you should assume it is closed due to the reason mentioned in the banner, since "no effort" is a downvote reason, not a close vote reason.
On that example, I'm not why you are confused since even you commented indicating it was unclear/needing details... the reason for which it was closed.
@DanielWiddis Basically, what @NathanOliver said. Only the user who voted to close can retract the vote. The votes only get cleared by retraction, aging away, or upon closure (at which point the question can be reopened).
@TylerH I did that only because I noticed it already had close votes on it.. and tried to help them avoid the closure. And they reworked the Question due to that (I assume)
The way it's phrased, it seems like you're agreeing with it. Otherwise I would expect a comment that says something like "why is this being closed? It has enough detail to answer already" but then that kind of comment might prompt one to wonder why not provide an answer in the first place.
Also I strongly suspect they revised the question due to all the comments, not just yours :-)
At any rate, the question needed details, and was closed as such. So it makes perfect sense why it was closed for the reason it was closed. It seems your real question is "why wasn't this question reopened after it was edited"
@Scratte That particular question is unclear. It's not clear if they are asking "how to" or "what's wrong with what I already have". Some of the details are not clear. We can guess at what they are asking, but we don't know.
@Makyen Ok.. This is my take on it: They want to have 10 random ids at time. They need to get a new set of random ids every time they ask the database, but they need the new ones to not include any of the ones they already got. Unless the process is reset.
@Scratte It may be that you do know exactly what the OP intended to ask, but I can see multiple interpretations of the question. Thus, my supposition is that you are in actuality guessing at what it means, and that you have decided that you happen to have guessed the correct interpretation, which you may have done, or may not.
@Scratte For example, they say "If I refresh my page, it restarts from the beginning." Is that the current behavior of their code that they think is wrong, or is that the behavior that they want?
@Scratte Strictly speaking, the ban is on posting questions that the poster is involved with. One could independently decide that a question should be posted here despite involvement from another regular (as long as it really is based on their own judgement and not just people being proxies for each other).
(with the disclaimer that I am the regular involved in the linked question, though I didn't even notice it was closed until Scratte called my attention to it elsewhere)
Yes. That's correct. I just posted that as an example because it's a good example. No one asked me to. And yes, I told Ryan it got closed as I happened to watch it get closed.
@Scratte I'd flag that VLQ with the usual comment about not being able to cut/paste, search, etc. At least it's not a photo of a screen, but still a useless way to share code.
@Dharman Have you noticed any overall reduction in NAA volumes in your bot? When lockdown first started, it was dead easy to find 40 NAAs each in FP and LA, but at the moment it's slowed right down. I've still got 76 flags left today!
Also it should just be unnecessary because the code is text in the first place and the poster has gone to additional effort to make it worse by turning it into an image.
@Scratte until your book gets converted to an e-book and it's inaccessible, or it looks bad because the density isn't high enough, or... :-)
Not that there's not a ton of...creative formatting...in e-books already (having worked in that industry)
My favorite remains the chess book that used a custom font for the chesspieces. Works great until it's fed into an e-book reader that normalizes fonts :-)
@RyanM But.. can't software just read the entire book? :) And make text out of it? What about my flowcharts and images of developers sweating in front a screen where you can see the code?
Wait..? It's not September in August? I thought the eternal September was.. eternal.
Pretty much the drop is at the same time the election ended. Some mods have become active again and new mods started to help out too. Some posts never get scanned by my bot because mods removed them before my bot gets to it.
Is this plagiarizing a post that is referencing the documentation? Or plagiarizing the documentation? Or.. is it fine? I think maybe the comment is a comment to my comment. Not that I remember leaving one..
@Dharman Wow.. it almost have has a PQRST heart rhythm there around May 10th :)
@Machavity That's the first one I got. I found it easier than other queues. Triage is just.. horrible! It doesn't sort by my tags at all. Gives me all kind of php and javascript Questions where I have no idea what to do :(
@JonClements I think.. when I start my new account, I will not use it to flag or vote. Keep things clean :) As long as this account is lower than 3K, I could use another one and close flag posts with that, but once this one gets over 3K, I can't close vote with this nor close flag with the other.
@JonClements Awesome.. "206,326 helpful flags". They got a boots when we went to CommenMark, huh? 430,215 posts edited :D
@JonClements I'm referencing this post which is a recent cv-pls here. I understand that requesting "best practices" is almost always off-topic. However, the only answer to that question is a very specific W3C "recommendation".
I would like to edit the question to remove the request for "best practice" and phrase it in an on-topic way because I think that Q&A is of good value to the site.
But asking "Does W3C have a standard for X" is off-topic resource request.