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2:04 AM
is being burninated - Open questions - Close queue - Meta
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2:14 AM
@Machavity That link to the close queue goes to a specific question
 
@DanielWiddis and it sure did get closed. breaks out "Mission Accomplished" banner
 
2:34 AM
@DanielWiddis Fixed. Thanks
 
dbc
Is anybody replacing with (1,394 questions) for questions about how to generate some globally unique identifier? For instance Attribute Value to set with unique number.
 
@KenWhite ^^added code still not adequate?
 
@dbc Been using for a few
 
@Machavity Code added did not exist when I cv'd. Can you remove it now? Thanks.
 
@KenWhite that's why I'm asking. Should I retract the CV or not?
 
2:46 AM
 
@Machavity: Thanks. :-)
 
np
 
@KenWhite maybe you should remove also your last comment in the post then?
 
dbc
@Machavity seems more to refer to a specific design. From the detailed tag info: A UUID is a 16-octet (128-bit) number. In its canonical form, a UUID is represented by 32 hexadecimal digits, displayed in five groups separated by hyphens e.g.
 
I haven't used it often, and the ones I did use it on seemed to fit. I might have just not run across one where the other tag applies
 
2:49 AM
@desertnaut Already done, now that the poster's rude comment has been removed.
 
I flagged it
 
@KenWhite Which?
 
@Machavity Comment? It was a personal insult, and it was flagged (at least by desertnaut and me) and has been deleted.
 
Link to the question tho?
 
2:56 AM
@desertnaut Thanks
 
3:21 AM
@dbc just used a tag because it fit... included things like mac address, unique keys, etc.
 
3:52 AM
@Machavity Can you move this to /dev/null?
 
Dang mobile doesn't give me the option. I used my diamond instead
 
Sometimes I set 'Desktop site' on mobile to have a larger view. I am not sure if it helps to do RO stuff though :)
 
 
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5:05 AM
I guess this is not yet eligible for delv-pls? It was closed just now stackoverflow.com/questions/63462032/what-is-le-in-python-graph
 
@tripleee No, it needs to be -3 to be deleted now
 
5:20 AM
@tripleee it's at -3 now...
Also you are allowed to on a question that only requires 1 more downvote to be eligible, see rule 11 in the FAQ
 
Needs one more delete vote
 
Does retracting delete vote add back to my allotted vote?
 
How do you retract it? I believe it's not possible
 
5:43 AM
I haven't tried, but I would assume it works like retracting a close vote; just click again
 
5:56 AM
Delete votes are not retractable: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/314311/5468463, as are reopen votes
 
@Vega oh, thanks
 
6:14 AM
Ugh..I lost precious delete vote because I voted a low quality answer which was edited by answerer to improve it
 
I rarely run out of those, while downvotes and close votes regularly run out
 
@tripleee reviewing low quality queue makes me run out of delete votes..maybe I have less delete votes..is it same number of delete votes for every user?
 
When I visite +10K tools, I am sure to 'spend' all my delete votes (mostly on questions) :/
 
6:37 AM
@ArghyaSadhu I may be mistaken, but I remember something about how to not use one's delete votes in the low quality posts queue by maybe using a user script. I've been trying to search the chat, but so far, I've come up empty.
 
@Scratte..interesting...I don't actually use any user script and am pretty new to delete votes as well
 
@ArghyaSadhu Ahh.. My memory is not too rusty after all :) Makyen is like an encyclopedia of useful userscripts :)
@ArghyaSadhu Any reason you do not use user scripts yet?
 
@Scratte..umm..no specific reason..I intend to try user scripts..do you have any suggestion for starting point..I use safari as browser
 
@ArghyaSadhu There's Makyen's Roomba Forecaster. It was the second user script I installed. I'm not sure about user script managers and Safari though. Userscript managers about on StackApps may be a good read :)
 
6:51 AM
@Scratte Thanks..will take a look
 
@ArghyaSadhu There have been some incompatibility issues with GreaseMonkey. I do not know if that is also true for "GreaseKit". I just noticed they have a shared name.
 
@Scratte yeah, stay away from Grease Monkey 4. it is hell for script authors. Expect scripts to not work except the ones that state they are compatible with GM4. I don't think SOCVR has any scripts that are expected to work with GM4 /cc @ArghyaSadhu
 
@AlonEitan eligible for delv-pls
though will roomba
 
7:06 AM
@tripleee I'll leave it to die on its on
 
But when it comes to Safari.. I know nothing. I am from Barcelona
 
Any one around who run some query on data.stackexchange.com and conform , I got this message Something unexpected went wrong while running your query. Don't worry, blame is already being assigned. Unable to run query , I try 2+ more hour. Don't blame my query I always run that :) ?? data.stackexchange is down ?
 
@Shree Looks quite down, the homepage has "We are currently offline for maintenance" on it
 
@Shree yeah, it has been on and off since Sunday.
 
Ohh.. dear. Noway to check how unsung I am :(
 
7:22 AM
@Scratte if it helps, I can guarantee I've not sung about you at all.
Which is probably for the better, I'm a terrible singer.
 
@rene , @RyanM thanks. Why I don't get maintenance page ?
 
@VLAZ We have no "our song"? :(
 
@Shree here is the bug report: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353140/…
 
@Scratte We can have our song, as long as I don't sing it.
 
It's going to be 20 million Questions today.
 
7:36 AM
@bad_coder Not if we pull together and close them faster :)
 
@Scratte today'll be unavoidably the 20 million day, next Roomba is days away and all the votes put together won't change it.
 
@halfer @rene Could you delete this report? I managed to repair an image. It's still not a great Q, but it's better than I thought. Thanks!
 
@bad_coder I assume you mean 20.002.202 ?
 
8:00 AM
@Scratte that's actually a series of @Scratte 's that changed the ! to 0 and kept the ? as 2.
 
8:25 AM
Is this question on-topic?
 
8:36 AM
@Vega I don't think so, it seems to be more like one of the first two off-topic reasons to me...
 
@Nick Good, thank you :)
 
 
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9:46 AM
@JeanneDark I think that if you reply to the SD message your message will also be moved out of the room
 
@JeanneDark if you want to provide feedback to Smoke Detector in this room, please bring it up with a room owner. If you want to provide feedback in other rooms, feel free to visit charcoal-se.org for further guidance
 
@tripleee Thanks, but I don't want to provide feedback to SD. Just trying to help getting spam deleted faster.
 
feedback actually does help for that, though not acutely for the message you responded to
 
But I rather leave giving feedback to SD to more knowledgeable people.
 
When I browse through hot questions...I see one of the questions in the list is extra grayed out
 
9:56 AM
@ArghyaSadhu have you specified any tags which to ignore
 
@Adriaan ignored is the word you're looking for
ninja ...
 
@rene ah, that's what we all do with , innit?
 
@Adriaan yep, and Python, and C and regex and javascript
 
@Adriaan yeah one of the tag in that question was ignored..once I unignored it....it got fixed
Thanks
 
10:14 AM
SEDE seems to be back.. it says that I'm not a hero.
 
 
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11:23 AM
 
12:06 PM
Morning
 
12:57 PM
Spam or not? Never sure about WooCommerce stuff, but the link makes me think spam stackoverflow.com/a/63469010
 
No, it looks like NAA
 
For sure.
 
They give links because most people using WooCommerce or WP are not developers. They don't know how to code or where to get the code from.
 
^^ also NAA (accepted!)
 
1:04 PM
@desertnaut Yeah that was... weird
 
@desertnaut "It's the law of the jungle" seemed like a very odd accepted answer.
 
@rene @Machavity Just can't be outdone by you two...
 
@TylerH hm, I'm not getting rickrolled by that :P
 
@TylerH the battle of the ROs
 
2:02 PM
@rene Can a RO 'kick' another RO? Even if the other RO is a diamond?
 
@AdrianMole ROs can kick other ROs but they cannot kick moderators
 
@TylerH Second part doesn't seem fair. ;-P
 
@AdrianMole yes.
I'm told that is frowned upon if done
 
You can't kick someone with a diamond (I tried once, for science). It just silently fails
 
@Machavity Have you tried again since you gained your own diamond?
... I'm sure Makyen wouldn't mind ... if it's for science. ;)
 
2:07 PM
Heh, I forgot the other reason. It doesn't even give you the option on a diamond user
 
@Machavity I think they've removed the option. I noticed it wasn't there on a diamond user.
@Machavity Wait.. so you can't kick another diamond? :) How you do you guys fight then?
 
Mostly we just open a thesaurus and trade marginally acceptable synonyms for ignoramus
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@TylerH Regarding that discussion about the PHP hammer... I'm not sure it's good per se, but it has been something of a compromise in attempting to get people to debug their stuff before dumping it on SO
PHP has a lot of FGITW folks who will gladly answer a typo or the umpteenth "Why did my query loop fail?" question. I'm not sure it can be handled outside of Meta
 
@Machavity Perhaps you can try "aubergine".
 
2:24 PM
@Machavity maybe the PHP community needs a meta question on Main that they can use as an accurate dupe hammer then, at least
e.g. "here's what you need to add to a question" and it can link to a lot of the other good canonicals
then you can just close all questions not using mysqli or pdo or whatever as dupes of it
whether they're closeable for other reasons or no
PS - SpaceX launch in literally ~2 minutes youtube.com/watch?v=jTMJK7wb0rM livestreaming
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More Starlink sats
 
2:40 PM
Successful booster landing
 
nice
 
2:51 PM
@Shree looks like SEDE got rolled-out with a fix for the intermittent problems
 
3:59 PM
This question just received a NAA and I wonder if the question itself is suitable. Maybe debugging details?
 
 
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5:27 PM
I know we don't moderate users here, so I am avoiding specifics. I have interacted with the same user (same user name, similar questions) who is somehow using two different accounts, possibly accidentally. What is the correct way to bring this to the attention of moderators?
 
@DanielWiddis Do these two accunts interact?
 
Unlikely. I suspect they don't even know they have two accounts and may just have created two different logins.
 
@DanielWiddis Have you tried asking the user - in either of their guises?
 
If they'd want to merge the two accounts then that's something they themselves have to tell the moderators
 
5:37 PM
@DanielWiddis Try flagging one of their posts and link the other account.
 
@DanielWiddis It reminds me that I don't know that I'm schizophrenic.
... Yes I do!
 
@DanielWiddis That is very confusing. You say you have possibly interacted with one person through two different accounts, but you suspect this individual doesn't even know they have two different accounts?
 
@Scratte Perhaps they created an account 2 years ago, and then they forgot about the first one and created a second.
 
Like he I said.
 
@CodyGray a question you merged is contested on Meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/400424 (sorry if this is the second ping for that question, I wasn't sure if Tim brought it up in the blue room as well)
 
5:50 PM
@AdrianMole Yes.. Mere øl? Yes? No? Yes'n'No? ;)
 
In any case, I don't see the problem with having both accounts, unless there is an interaction between them.
 
@10Rep They could also be asking poor Questions, and get double the amount before a Question-ban. I'm not sure if there leniency for not knowing.
 
@Scratte That's a possibility. The older account has more downvotes. It is also possible that both of their accounts could, in theory, vote for me (if they had enough rep to vote.)
 
@DanielWiddis Unless you suspect fraud, there's no need to alert moderators
 
@Scratte I'll take two! :)
 
5:56 PM
having two accounts is OK so long as they don't interact in some way that is not possible with just one
this does include circumventing a question ban or transferring reputation, though
 
OK, for now I'll just keep an eye out.
 
@DanielWiddis Yes. That is the most tricky part with having multiple accounts. Not accidentally voting twice on the same post. I wanted to make a user script to ensure that can't happen.
 
@Scratte If I had a second account, I would probably keep it at 1 reputation, and just use it to test new features.
 
@10Rep I would use it like normal.. because the other high-reputation account was getting too many privileges.
 
How will you make the user script though? You'd have to have access to the list of people who voted.
 
6:01 PM
@10Rep Yes. But.. I can access that information when I am logged in. If I can then save it somehow, I can access the information when I'm logged in as the other account.
 
the easiest option is to never vote with the secondary account
 
^ That's a split inifinitive.
 
@Scratte Oh yeah... that makes sense.
 
@JohnDvorak That is probably the easiest option. But.. if one abandons the high-reputation account, then one would be done voting.
 
@Scratte that won't work if you use a storage system that isn't synchronized across all your devices
 
6:03 PM
@JohnDvorak What about google drive?
 
@JohnDvorak How about saving it on a server that the script needs access to?
 
can you access Google Drive programmatically with anywhere near enough frequency?
@Scratte how do you secure the access to that server?
 
@JohnDvorak It's just a local server. I do not have to vote when I'm not using my main hardware. I do not log into Stack when I'm checking something from a friends house.
 
@JohnDvorak Well, I don't know jQuery. I'm just an innocent Pythonista who doesn't know what a server is.
 
@AdrianMole I think I'll go this route. Ping them about the accounts and suggest they merge them, pointing to the meta question.
 
6:05 PM
@Scratte Do you not use your phone for that purpose?
 
@DanielWiddis That's what I've done in that past when I've seen two accounts that appear to be the same person ... trying to get back after forgetting their password, or whatever.
 
@JohnDvorak No :) I don't even use it for email. I use it to send text messages, and.. make phone calls! :D
 
@Scratte phone calls O_O
 
@JohnDvorak I know. It's so last century! I just don't use the internet on my phone. I think I even had free & unlimited all during summer. Never use it.
But I don't even know if flags and edits and reviews are merged on account merges. I suppose one would have to test it with two 500 reputation accounts.
 
@Scratte It wouldn't make sense for it to not add up. But I'm not sure.
 
6:18 PM
@10Rep Why? If I review 500 posts with one account and 200 posts with another account. The merged account reviewed 700 posts, no?
 
@Scratte Yea, that's what I said. If it didn't add up, then that doesn't make sense.
 
@10Rep Sorry. I got confused by the double negative :D
 
@SurajRao The NATO seems to be NAA, too
 
@janw yes.. flagged it
 
@SurajRao HO
Does stackoverflow saves all chat chats in their DB ??
 
6:25 PM
@carljohnson pretty much yes
@Scratte it's unique items I believe so if there's any overlap then you'd only get credit once
plus a potential suspension for abuse
 
@TylerH I do not think I would get that. I can't think of a way to abuse the system for flagging, editing or reviewing. I mean not a way where I'd be unaware that I was picking the same review with two accounts..
 
@Scratte you are not allowed to review the same post twice (once from multiple accounts) because that is accomplishing something you cannot do from a single account
you're basically getting double the say for the outcome of a review
for a suggested edit review, two approves is all you need to get through, and potentially also grant reputation
 
@TylerH Yes. I edited my messages. Obviously that would be abuse. But.. I do not think that is something I can do accidentally by going to the review queues. Unless a post is just sitting there for a very long time and I just happen to run into it twice :(
 
@Scratte depending on the queue it probably ranges from 'highly unlikely' to 'highly likely'
but the main concern isn't accidentally doing something like that, but rather intentionally doing something like that
hence the term 'abuse'
you can filter a queue to only get questions of a certain tag (or filter CV queue to only get questions flagged/closed for a specific reason on top of a certain tag)
so it's not too difficult to find a specific question
 
But.. if someone created a new account, they still have to get to 500 reputation points before being able to review the low-reputation point queue. I'd assume all old posts would be gone.
 
6:30 PM
@Scratte Yes, but then once they get 500 rep, they can then review new posts togther
the point still stands: don't do anything with two accounts that you wouldn't be able to do with one, and that includes reviewing the same items
 
@TylerH Yes. But that wasn't my scenario :) I was thinking of leaving the old account and only working from a new one :)
 
There are exceptionally few cases where a second account is ever warranted in the first place, and those cases are almost all things that don't require much rep to do anything with (like comparing a/b test results or privilege disparities)
 
And in that scenario, only up/down voting can be a real problem.
 
@Scratte are you wanting to merge the two? or just abandon the old one?
 
Have one "working account".. and one "old one". When the working account gets too much reputation, merge it into the "old one", and start a new working account.
 
6:34 PM
"too much" reputation?
 
@TylerH Depends on what privilege one wants to avoid. Beats having to bounty off reputation on posts one doesn't even care about.
 
@Scratte I'm not sure wanting to 'avoid' a privilege is a valid reason to do weird things with account management
you can also just post 500 rep bounties or something to some good questions whenever you get too close to some reputation threshold you don't want
rlemon used to do that to stay just above 10k
 
@TylerH I know. But it's just silly. If I have the privileged, I can use it on rare occasions. And not otherwise be bothered by it with an alternate account. And why would "don't like this privilege" be any worse than "don't want to ask Questions from my main account" or "don't want to post python stuff with my java account"? The later two are mentioned valid reasons.
 
@Scratte mentioned where?
I don't think those are valid reasons either
if you want to use the privilege, use the privilege from the account you have
if you don't want to use the privilege, don't use it
making a second account just to avoid a privilege seems like an unnecessary complication
 
6:44 PM
@TylerH Ahh.. I'll just ask the server to not send all that pink stuff? :D
 
what pink stuff?
 
@TylerH deleted pink stuff that slows down loading a page.
 
You can hide it in CSS if you really care
 
@JohnDvorak I can't make it not fetch it.
 
@Scratte are you serious?
SO loads ridiculously fast
 
6:45 PM
but you can avoid the render time. The HTML itself weighs nothing
 
hiding via CSS or JS won't make a noticeable difference, most likely, because it's just that fast
 
@TylerH Not for me. It takes forever to load the Thanks-announcement, and I can't even see the pink stuff yet.
 
@Scratte that sounds like a temporal internet connection issue and also I'm not sure what thanks announcement you're referring to (I don't see such an announcement)
 
It can make difference for rendering (if there's a lot of it), and it even prevents loading images.
 
but seriously, Nick and Taryn, et al do really amazing work at server load times
SO is probably one of the fastest real sites you will ever visit
 
6:47 PM
Example.com is quite fast
 
I said real sites :-)
stackoverflow.com/questions/114543/… for example has ten deleted answers on this page alone and it takes less than half a second to load from Ctrl+F5
 
@TylerH From Unnecessary secondary accounts and avoiding moderator action there's a link to How should sockpuppets be handled on Stack Exchange?. Mentions "maintaining a highly unnatural q/a ratio" and "answering questions on a tag that's new to you"
 
hiding those 10 answers will save you probably far less than a tenth of a second. You will save maybe a handful of seconds over an entire day of browsing
@Scratte I can't believe that reason is included for any purpose other than satire based on the thread the reason links to
Shog's answer there is clearly a joke, "the secret ratio is 283/7"
 
@TylerH This is the thanks-announcement: Feature test: Thank you reaction.. I'm still waiting for it to load..
 
@Scratte It sounds like you've already partially blocked it and that's why it's "loading" for so long. But it's not something that is blocking the rest of the page, I'm sure
 
6:52 PM
@TylerH I don't think the creation of a new account for this purpose is a joke at all. There's just some joking around it.
 
Sites will often show a lighter-weight "loading" image, icon, animation, etc. than the "real thing" during load
if you block the "real thing", you'll just see the "loading" thing perpetually
 
@TylerH Needs detail or clarity: Define "real!"
 
@TylerH But I can understand that your opinion is that there is no reason to create a second account and if I do not want a privilege.. that's just too bad. Is that like you're telling me stop using the site or something?
@TylerH I've blocked a few things using uBlock.. funnily they still render just before they're blocked.
 
@Scratte The real concern you have is that you think certain page elements' loading is taking too long. Your wanting to create a second account to avoid seeing deleted answers is such an XY problem that it's really an XZ problem instead. Not only will not seeing deleted answers do nothing for the real issue you're having (thanks icon loading), but I doubt you're really having the problem you have, at least the way you're describing it.
Even if you did manage to block the thing you want to block, I don't think page load times would change noticeably because they're already ridiculously optimized
 
@TylerH No.. not thanks icons. All deleted posts.
 
6:59 PM
Maybe you missed the question link I posted above with ten deleted answers on it. It took less than half a second to load with a hard refresh. It loaded before I could even comprehend the first words on the page.
 
It was also an example. I mean I'm not happy being able to create tags. Why do I have that privilege when I don't want it?
 
@Scratte No one is making you use it
 
@TylerH That is true.. but it's too easy to accidentally create one.
 
Really? It throws up a big banner asking "are you sure you want to create this tag?" that you have to click through to submit it
 
If I get to 2K I'm going to have to figure out how to block the edit option on posts others than my own. It would be awesome if one could opt-in or opt-out :)
 
7:02 PM
@Scratte or just don't click the edit button?
seriously, that is your opt-in/opt-out
 
@TylerH No.. it doesn't. I'm about to create "java-operators" and add it to a Question :D
 
Do you also get upset that there's a road to the left at a 4-way stop when you only want to turn right?
 
@TylerH That's is not a good comparison. Nobody else is using my account. Other people are using the roads.
 
@Scratte The road is not your account, the car is. the road is the privilege
you are in control of your account
 
@TylerH I get no warnings
 
7:06 PM
@Scratte Hit "submit" on the edit to see the warning
This is what you will see meta.stackexchange.com/a/233897/253521
 
@TylerH Heh.. not going to try that. I like things safe. I had to deactivate my uBlock just to get there.
 
@Scratte This is something I still don't get about you! You want to make SO a better site (and you do) by suggesting that others edit posts and close questions; but (a) you get all twitchy if one of your flags is declined; and (b) you don't want to actually make those edits or cast those close vote yourself. But maybe I'm looking at this purely from my own perspective: power is (for sure) a dangerous thing; but, used properly (as it would be, in your hands) it is also a precious resource.
 
@AdrianMole Actually it's been a while since a flag got declined :)
@AdrianMole I see edits that makes me very uncomfortable. I see lots of half-edits too. It's not for me.
 
@Scratte Sort of the same with me and my review vacations. I personally believe (others are welcome to disagree, of course) that I review conscientiously; but, sometimes, I goof. Then I get the holiday ... but, so what? Same with flags (and I understand your CDO); I got hit with a couple of "declined" a few weeks ago, so I hit the SOBotics "easy flags" option to get my stats back up to scratch. (Now at 99% overall.)
 
Maybe I just represent the strange users. Except I don't mind saying I'm strange :)
Ahh.. but getting a 99.91% flagging accuracy will not get me any extra privileges. It's the goal that doesn't have downsides :D
 
7:16 PM
@Scratte hiding the edit button won't hide edits other people have already made
 
Strange is never a bad thing. (Unless, maybe you are a quark or in a disputed marriage?)
 
and any change you make for your browser will not affect anyone else
 
@TylerH okay
 
We are the Collective. Userscripts are puerile.
 
@Scratte What extra privileges?
 
7:18 PM
Helpful flags get you extra flags, is not?
 
@Makyen not.. :) will not get me any extra privileges :)
 
@Scratte Somehow my eyes skipped over that "not", twice. :;
 
@AdrianMole Yes. But I'm at max.. like most other users that flagged a lot :)
 
@Makyen Glad to see that you're picking up the Moderator habits! :-)
 
@AdrianMole Thanks. I'm just going to blame it on not enough caffeine. :)
 
7:21 PM
@TylerH How about: I made edits that took me 45 minutes. I will edit the entire post. I just find it bit insulting when meta says to edit the entire post and the edit help pages says to edit the entire post, but then I see half-edits everywhere. And.. there's the rejected edit that wasn't actually rejected, which turned me completely off. I know I'll see edits from others. It doesn't take any of my time.
@TylerH How will another account effect you?
 
For 2K+ users, both (unanimous, unchecked) edits and the edit review queue are optional. To me, it's a great privilege: I can fix an inadvertent rude word without having to wait (6-8) for approval. I can also reject (unanimously, if I know how) a suggested edit that adds such a rude word.
 
@AdrianMole It's just so much easier when the button isn't there :) It's like not even having to press Skip :D
 
... such activity is what privileges, and dedication to the core principles, is all about. If you want to wear a blindfold, so that you turn away when you would otherwise see a gang of teenagers abusing an old man, then that's your choice.
 
But I'm sure someone is going to tell me that I'll "have" to use it.
C'mon. It's the internet. It's not someone getting a beating or the loss of someone's retirement fund :)
 
There are many, many 200K+ users who do virtually no curation.
^ maybe take out a zero?
 
7:29 PM
The thing is that I don't understand why someone has an opinion on secondary accounts, as long as the person doesn't violate the rules.
 
@Scratte Having full edit privileges would/could eliminate much of that, allow you to fix it, or allow you to reject such edits as you find insufficient. [Note: In general, edits which do make an improvement shouldn't be rejected, unless obviously trivial, or where there are other issues with the edit that cause harm (e.g. pushing into reopen queue). Yes, a pattern of making edits which don't address significant issues in a post should be dealt with (comment or raise a custom mod flag).]
 
@Makyen I see them from >2K users. They can't be rejected. It's not a big deal, it's just not very motivating for me. Why would I spend a long time when it seems others are just fixing the tip of the iceberg?
 
@Makyen On your "pattern" thing (and not wanting to either mod-bother or go into user stuff): I've come across lots of suggested edits recently by the same user who keeps trivially (and sometimes harmfully) reformatting C/C++ code (different spacing patterns, mostly). Should I mod-flag or first try to reach out to the user?
 
@Scratte From >2k users it's not as much of a big deal that they don't fix all of the problems, unless it's an old post that they are bumping for something trivial while not fixing everything. Yes, even on new posts they should fix everything they see, but there's very little cost to a >2k user's edit, so the bar for what's how much that's needed to be done in an edit is much lower.
 
Question by 1 rep user asking how to do something wildly undocumented; doesn't like answer telling him to not do that; what should we do with question?
 
7:39 PM
@Makyen But then what's the point? Just to put things in a code block, but leave all the signatures and "Tanks are non-reversing", seems pointless to me. The post now still needs an edit, and the editor got a little edit++ on their profile.
 
@AdrianMole Personally, prior to being a mod, I normally left a comment for such users with links to meta posts describing what is and isn't acceptable. This has usually been sufficient to get at least a response saying they will change, and me not noticing them continuing to make such edits. However, I can understand a reluctance to leave such a comment, so a custom mod-flag with an explanation and pointers to a few/several examples would be fine.
 
@Scratte I don't see how a second account or even a user script to block an edit feature will do anything to affect this.
@Scratte once you have 2k you can roll them back, or make a proper/full edit
@Scratte Opinions are like buttholes; everyone has them :-) The point of the engagement here is to try and highlight the real issue and suggest a better alternative than what you were seeking because I am certain what you were seeking is not the ideal path
 
@TylerH I can easily block the edit button at <2K, since it's a different button. It doesn't block edit from my own post nor wiki-posts. I can't easily do it later on since then the edit button will be identical, and I'll still need to be able to edit my own posts.
 
is there a way to mark links rel=nofollow on stackoverflow? The question is poor but doesn't look like spam to me; yet it might be
See smokedetector link above
 
@Joshua you can edit the URL in the post or if you mean for your own visiting of said links you can just copy them and paste them into the URL bar instead of clicking them
 
7:43 PM
@Makyen OK. Thanks for the advice. I did leave a custom comment on one occasion, but the pattern has continued since then. I'll keep a weather eye and, if the behaviour continues, I'll raise a mod-flag. I can get quite ticklish about one user trying to impose their code style on another user's (otherwise good) post.
 
@Scratte Other than a the possibility that they may get progress towards a badge, which really shouldn't be something we care about, the question is: Did the edit improve the post? If not, then it should be rolled-back if it did, then edit the post to finish the improvements.
 
@TylerH No. I'm not spending 15 minutes to fix what someone else got the same credit doing, but just did the easy part. I don't have insert-something stamped on me.
 
nope adding rel=nofollow by adding to the <A HREF="" causes it to detect as non-link
 
@Scratte I'm not certain about the motivations here.
 
@Joshua You can Answer how to do it, and then explain why they should't.
 
7:45 PM
You don't want to fix a post that needs fixing, just because someone else has put in some effort to fix it already?
Either the post needs an edit to improve it... or it doesn't. What does it matter that someone else already edited it?
 
@AdrianMole Changing a post from one consistently used, and valid for the language, indenting style or code formatting style, to another just because the editor prefers one over the other is not an acceptable edit. Editing a post that uses no perceptible indenting style or code formatting style (or uses multiple styles) to use one consistently is fine.
 
@TylerH Putting code in a code block is 10 seconds. Fixing the phrasing, thinking of a good title.. that's the hard part. I can do what others do though.. just put the code in code block and leave it for someone else. But that just doesn't sit well with me.
 
@Scratte: I'm trying to de-googlejuice a plausible spam link on stackoverflow; oh well.
 
@Scratte So... still not seeing the issue here. It sounds like you wouldn't bother to edit a post needing "hard parts" even if someone else hasn't already edited the post
 
@TylerH It matters because someone else already went there :) I don't want to be the cleaner.
@TylerH Right. Lets just say that's it. I've never done any hard edits. It's so unlike me. That's my reason.
 
7:49 PM
@Scratte Not sure what you mean by cleaner. You would be 'cleaning' the post with an edit whether someone else edited the post before you or not
 
Then don't clean. I stopped cleaning other by close & delete with the fall controversy.
 
@Joshua Links from new-ish users automatically get rel="nofollow noreferrer", which was the case for the post which SD reported. You can look at the HTML text shown on MS to verify, or go to the post and look at the HTML.
 
@TylerH It's not collaborative that some users do the hard edits, while other users do just easy ones, is it?
 
@Scratte Yes, that is what collaborative means: multiple people working on the same thing
"equal effort" is not part of the definition of collaborative
You should not resent people for making small edits so long as the edits they make are improving the question. They may be doing all they are capable of.
 
@Joshua Sorry. I was replying to your initial Question, that wasn't very detailed :(
@TylerH Somehow.. I don't think so. But not making an edit is less visible.
 
7:53 PM
@Scratte Not sure what visibility has to do with anything
 
@TylerH Anyone that's been on a post that needed editing, but not edited it, could have just not been able to :)
 
@TylerH You ended that sentence with a preposition! Are your from Texas?
 
If a user un-deletes a post 59 days after it was deleted.. and then re-deletes it, does it stay on the "Recently Deleted Answers/Questions" for another 60 days?
 
@AdrianMole Nope, Georgia
 
Yo'!
 
8:12 PM
@Scratte Probably, or at least that's how I'd expect that to work.
 
I assume it will bump the post and only >10K'ers will know why..
 
@Makyen OK - possibly going a bit off-rules, but here's an example of one that I missed (text edits notwithstanding - the code changes are brutal): stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26901253
 
@AdrianMole Those missing curly braces.. I mean I like them for readability. (I looked at the removed last 4)
 
@AdrianMole That particular edit was approved by the OP, so is a less concrete example. However, yes, if a user is making such code edits on a consistent basis, then a custom moderator flag (explaining and linking to examples) would be reasonable.
@Scratte I agree, but we shouldn't let our personal preference for indenting style to get involved. (Personally, I'm not a fan of Allman indenting style.)
 
@DavidBuck I don't think this is a request for an off-site resource. It seems to be asking if there's an API in Google Sheets to do this. That's no more an off-site resource than asking if there's an API in Android to get an image from the filesystem.
 
8:29 PM
@Makyen Cody would have steam (or something much worse) emanating from his ears - but he would (I think) "agree to differ" with any poster who's code is at least readable.
 
@Makyen Apperently I use the K&R variant 1TBS. Allman makes me dizzy. Any line that is at the same level, I will assume is the end of that while, so I think it's already over when it's just beginning :D
 
@Scratte My general style is that, if you need braces for either the "if" or the "else" then they should be there for both. If neither needs them, then do one-liners for both.
 
@AdrianMole Strange. I use them even for one-liners :)
 
@Scratte That's fine, IMHO. I just want consistency. An if block as a one-liner followed by a braced-block else is not easy to scan. And the converse is even worse.
... code formatting should not be for your benefit but for the benefit of those (unfortunate souls) who have to maintain it after you're gone.
... but, having said that, I have my own peculiar quirks about how I want others to format my code that they modify.
 
@Scratte My personal preference is 1TBS/OTBS with mandatory braces. But, that's a personal preference. Well, OK, the 1TBS/OTBS part is a personal preference, the mandatory braces is because I've just seen way too many times where not having mandatory braces has caused bugs when the code is later edited/maintained. I'm actually not against having no braces, if the entire statement is on a single line, but I'd still prefer to see it as 3 lines with braces, in most cases).
What should be used is whatever is consistent with the code-base in which the code will be used.
 
8:41 PM
Is this question about one's review team "Sign in with Apple" not off-topic? I don't see how that's about programming (and if it somehow was, it would be much too broad).
 
@AdrianMole But.. I don't plan to go ;) And I need to be able to read it after 2 weeks or 4 years too. So I code for understanding and I comment to un-confuse me, when I know I've done something a little confusing :)
It seems my personal preference is the same as Makyen's. I knew there was something sensible in me somewhere :)
 
@Scratte That article is confusing, it says K&R "is also called 'the one true brace style' in hacker jargon (abbreviated as 1TBS)," but then describes something else as "'the one true brace style' (abbreviated as 1TBS or OTBS)"
 
@Scratte The 'others' I referred to can include your future self! I have recently been forced to modify code that I, myself, personally, wrote some 15 years ago. Now, although there is a considerable degree of self-embarrassment involved, at least I can follow what's going on, and quickly find the code sections that need attention.
 
@AdrianMole I agree with that, but I'd extend it to include yourself in the maintenance. Even code you've written yourself is far easier to maintain years later if you've used good programming practices (e.g. formatting, self-documenting code, comments to explain not just what, but why something is being done, some type of version control, etc.)
 
I share Makyen's preference, assuming that refers to putting the opening brace on the same line as the conditional. Omitted braces are occasionally acceptable when the conditional and conditioned statement are all on one line, but never if it's more than one line.
 
8:44 PM
@Makyen Ninja!
 
@AdrianMole :)
 
@RyanM If you omit braces when it's more than one line, then.. the code will execute differently, no? :)
 
@Scratte There have been so many questions in the C/C++ tags based on a lack of curlies.
... I guess Java has similar issues?
 
// Acceptable
if (foo) bar();

// Synonymous, not acceptable
if (foo)
    bar();

// Synonymous, acceptable
if (foo) {
    bar();
}
@Scratte example of what I mean ^
 
@AdrianMole Yes. If I see them, I flag them as typos..
 
8:51 PM
@RyanM How about a null body? Clang 'insists' on putting the empty ; on a new line, or it will give you a warning.
 
@Scratte With 2K privileges, on new posts, I would recommend doing this. If it bumps an old post, the burden is a bit higher. For example, I don't have time to fix all the problems with every post that thinks is a synonym of (shockingly, people who don't know the difference between their IDE and the platform they're developing for often do not ask good questions).
But Stack Overflow is better with the posts being correctly tagged, so I fix the tags (and often any particularly glaring formatting issues like no code formatting. They're newish when I see them and no one has to review my trivial edits, so it doesn't burden anyone or cause excess bumping.
 
@RyanM Ahh.. that kind of one line. Which makes sense then bar is really barTheFooButOnlyWhenNotOnAMondayOrOnSpecialHolidays();
 
@Scratte As do I. But there are high-rep users who still gain Rhinoceros Points from such.
 
@RyanM I still not can't understand the "homepage" issue. It's specially crafter for every user on the site.
 
@AdrianMole like a while loop with no body? I usually do three lines with braces and stick a comment inside the body. One-line loops don't read as loops to me :-p but I could see that being acceptable. As soon as there's an actual statement, though, it needs braces.
 
8:53 PM
I can edit 100 questions and you would probably see at most 2.
 
@AdrianMole I have my own thoughts about those. I have the same thoughts about users that comment for the post to be improved (because it's not OK) and then Answer it. Usually in minutes.
 
@Braiam I think it's often the case that users are working within a tag. So if I fixed every mistagged android-studio question, I'd surely annoy anyone watching the [android] tag. Although that tag is so chaotic they might not actually notice...
 
@RyanM In those cases, I just silently vote to close them all and dump the list somewhere. At some point we need to fix those questions.
 
Zoe
@RyanM If you use tools, you can at least push more into less time
 
@Braiam "At some point we need to fix those questions." I get the impression this is where Meta consensus is useful: if I have the support of the community, then I can justify the inconveniencing of people's homepages
 
8:58 PM
@RyanM Let me put it this way: they would not be the ones affected.
Most people on meta already have their mechanisms to not use /active.
 
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