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12:04 AM
Comments like "Hey there, check out my answer below. And mark it as accepted if it helps." that are posted along with the answer instead of in response to something indicating the OP thought it worked or after a while of no response are immediately NLN, right?
 
I tend to use that, yes. In Ancient Times I'd have gone for "too chatty"
...and then check if there's anything crucially wrong with the answer
 
@CodyGray I find the lack of , and in that list disturbing
@Braiam btw, one of these tags actually exist
 
@RyanM Yes. And that needs to be accompanied by a shaking of the fist. Non-negotiable.
 
12:37 AM
Any thoughts about whether to leave this alone or close? On the face of it, it's a poor question; no debugging details and the OP commented 23 minutes after posting to say they'd fixed it. But 7 years later it has 362k views, 82 upvotes and 36 answers. stackoverflow.com/questions/16717064/…
 
1:34 AM
@Nick can now be? not sure what you mean?
you mean I missed the part?
I don’t know how to automatically add that part…
 
@Nick Do the deletion needs to be expedited?
 
I just use the bookmarklet
 
@sideshowbarker I just meant your first question has been closed and since it's -3 can be deleted...
 
ah OK 👍
 
@DavidBuck It seems insanely "broad", like:"why didn't it start?" However, folks seem to have found value in the many variations of answers. Only a SME (or a group) could decide on the value. One possible outcome, link to several duplicates dividing the problem - but that would require evaluating the answers as a whole...
 
1:37 AM
@Braiam not really I just figured as long as it was front of mind...
 
@DavidBuck Yeah, vague questions tend to get too many views ;)
And views are positively correlated with votes.
 
@Braiam I've been meaning to ask: can you send me a video of some Dominican Republic music you really like?
 
@bad_coder The safest would be Juan Luis Guerra.
I deviated too much of music preferences with my peers :D
 
@Braiam :D ok I knew this from the radio!! Can you please also send something "niche" that you personally like, even if it's not representative?
 
@Makyen sometimes the CV Request Generator user script adds to the request for me, and sometimes it doesn’t… It’s not clear to me why
 
1:42 AM
@bad_coder Give me a sec.
 
@sideshowbarker It should automatically add it when the request will require someone to have 20k rep in order to delete-vote the post you're making the request about. Basically, users with >10k can delete-vote questions which have been closed for > 2 days. Users with > 20k rep can also delete-vote closed questions with a score < -2 (i.e. <= -3), and answers with a score < 0 (i.e. <= -1).
The URRS will, unless you've turned the option off, update each del-pls request based on the current state of the post (i.e. it will update del-pls requests for questions). In other words, on del-pls requests it will add a for all answers and for all questions closed < 2 days and with < -2 score. It will remove a from any del-pls where the question's been closed for >2 days. If you set the option, it will also add , but I, personally, find that redundant.
 
aha — thanks, I just wasn’t aware of the subtleties
 
I haven’t turned any options off — I think what I’ve observed is just due to the differences you summarized
 
Is this NAA? or ???
 
1:57 AM
@Nick looks like SPAM actually...
 
@Nick yeah, looks like odd junk or intentional spam
 
I can see "odd junk" but spam?
 
@Braiam sure :) I've heard "burbujas de amor" a thousand times not realizing Juan Luis Guerra was from the Dominican Republic
@Nick an automated spam account doesn't need to make sense. Account also says "unregistered"...
 
I've heard of Occupy Wall Street, but Occupy Combobox is a new one on me.
 
@bad_coder Post is gone so I can't see it, but the definition of spam on Stack Exchange is "exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation"
if it's total nonsense, R/A may be acceptable
 
2:05 AM
@NobodyNada you are right. I haven't flagged spam in some time, so I forgot the definition in context.
 
@NobodyNada Glad to see you've got those links on speed dial.
They are among my favorites.
 
@CodyGray heh, I just go to Meta and search "conference lungs" to get the first post, and then there's a comment linking to the second
It's pretty much muscle memory at this point
 
@CodyGray do you have an opinion on that post? It's gone now but how might I have flagged it if I couldn't vtd?
 
Literally any flag your mouse happened to land on
I'd have gone with rude/abusive, I guess
 
thanks...
 
2:11 AM
Careful that your case of conference lungs doesn't start acting up
 
@DavidBuck Isn't this a software development platform/programming tool, and thus on-topic?
@DavidBuck Er, nevermind, I see you've replied with your reasoning here.
 
2:27 AM
@DanielWiddis I agree with this logic: the top answers are all specific to, at least, software development computing tasks
Even if answers about parallelism in computing are generally applicable to all computing, these specifically address the parallelism that exists in Android development
Although minor gripe: "Android Studio" is being slightly conflated with Android development in general.
 
What kind of chair do I need to best support development in Android Studio? Is there a preferred type of chair for maximum compatibility with Android Studio?
 
@CodyGray One that does not have problems between it and the keyboard.
 
In case you need more context: I am trying to set up my home office to start developing Android apps using Android Studio.
 
@CodyGray Uh, do they make any chairs with Qi wireless chargers built in? That might help, I suppose.
also that comment is exaggerating a bit, you don't need 128GB RAM...64GB is totally fine for even large projects and hundreds of browser tabs open. 32GB works if you are not me and instead use a normal number of browser tabs.
 
That makes me curious. I know they make gaming chairs. Is there such a thing as a programming chair? Perhaps with caffeine IVs or something?
Indeed, there's a whole review website titled "Best Chair For Programmers, Software Engineers, and Coding – 2020"
 
2:32 AM
it does use a lot of RAM, though, it's not wrong about that part...
 
I get by just fine building things with only 4 or 8 GB of RAM. Bloatware much?
 
@CodyGray it's been over 5 years since I used Android Studio for anything, but it's written in Java and in my experience the GC pauses were kinda annoying
 
You can even build the entire Android OS on a laptop with 32GB of RAM, although I would not necessarily recommend this approach...
 
I can build the entire Linux kernel on a laptop with 128 MB of RAM.
 
@NobodyNada Speculation: what you were experiencing were not so much the GC pauses as the everything-else pauses: blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2015/08/…
The actual issue with the OS build isn't as much the RAM as actually just CPU power. An Android OS build will max dozens of cores if it has them available. Which...my laptop does not.
 
2:37 AM
@RyanM Mine does. But my apple product refuses to do anything android. ;)
 
...why are there "everything else pauses"?
 
@DanielWiddis ooh, you've got a Mac Pro? Fancy :-)
 
@RyanM nah, just a Mac Book Pro.
 
Yeah, most builds are actually I/O-bound, not even CPU-bound, but definitely not RAM-bound.
 
@DanielWiddis I am skeptical that you have a MacBook Pro with dozens of cores :-)
 
2:41 AM
@RyanM Physical or logical? :)
 
Highest I see is an 8-core i9. Even with HyperThreading, that's 16 cores.
 
Yeah. That's me. And I failed reading comprehension for the word "dozens".
 
Really, either, but I have in fact seen it max dozens of physical cores :-)
 
Why the 16-inch screen, rather than the seemingly-more-portable-and-comfortable 13"?
 
I have last year's 15-inch screen because I'm old and hate tiny screens.
 
2:44 AM
Ah, I see
 
Which anyone with glasses should know!
 
No, the whole point of wearing glasses is so you can use extremely high resolutions!
 
More screen space. And before you object about physical vs. logical resolution, the configuration for this in macOS is actually good, so you can in fact fit more readable text on the larger screen at most levels of visual acuity :-)
 
I was just looking at that...
The 13" MBP has a 2560x1600 physical resolution, but they don't let you actually use it.
It appears the highest you can go is 1680x1050, which is...cramped.
 
(I should disclaim that I used the default on a 15-inch during my time as a macOS user, as it was comfortable given the distance I had the screen from my face)
 
2:47 AM
Yeah, I used to use a 15" MBP as my daily driver back in...2010-ish. That was with a resolution of 2560x1600 or so.
 
Funny thing is I don't even know what resolution my screen has.
Ah, there. 2880 x 1800
 
@CodyGray the article explains it, but tl;dr waiting for locks on the document being edited. And they don't exist anymore, because the feature discussed there was turned on by default in 2017
 
> Apple quietly notes that you also can "press and hold the 'Option' key while clicking the 'Scaled' button" in the "Displays" Control Panel to see more resolutions. This functionality is available in OS X Mavericks (10.9) and OS X Yosemite (10.10) as well as in "extended desktop mode" in OS X Lion (10.7) and OS X Mountain Lion (10.8).
@RyanM It makes me sad that nobody knows about opportunistic locks.
 
Hmm. So 2880x1800 is hardware, I'm at the default 1680x1050 software setting but I could go to 1920x1200 using the option Cody just posted.
 
You tried holding down Option? 1920x1200 is the highest option you get?
 
2:52 AM
Yeah, doesn't change anything with option on or off
(pressed or not)
 
Ah, that's too bad. I was wondering if it might have been taken out with newer OS releases.
Being able to actually have a 2880x1800 resolution would be glorious.
 
Looks possible with a third party app
Anyway, tried 1920x1200 for a few minutes, didn't like it, so I'm back to the default. Apple knows what people want.
 
@CodyGray the article implies they were already using them (emphasis added): "It’s obviously too wasteful to acquire a lock on the entire project model on every keystroke: this interrupts and restarts any other activity acquired a read lock on the document (think of the amount of unnecessary CPU and thus battery/power usage)."
 
3:16 AM
That's a full lock, not an oplock.
Maybe oplocks are a Windows thing only? See: devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20130415-00/?p=4663
Or maybe they just weren't doing it right
@DanielWiddis Yes, I am also still mad about the lack of a headphone jack.
I am not surprised you dislike the higher resolutions if you have trouble seeing the screen.
Apple picks the giant, low resolutions because it makes their screens look prettier. A 4:1 scaling is going to render beautifully. But it's also going to fit a lot less text on the screen, which makes it a far inferior option by my standards.
 
But you prefer 13" to 15"?
 
I used to buy 15" MacBook Pros, back when I bought MacBook Pros. But that's because there were more upgrades other than just the screen size.
With a high-resolution 13", I'm not sure there's any advantage of a larger screen. Also, 16" is...well, bigger than 15", and 15" was already pushing it.
The whole reason I'm going to use a laptop is maximum portability. Otherwise, I'd prefer a desktop with 3-4 monitors.
 
@CodyGray note that the 16" model isn't any physically bigger than the 15", they just got rid of the bezels
 
Oh, I didn't realize that
Last time I got a new MacBook Pro was around 2012.
I don't know if they've changed dimensions since then. I just assumed they probably had.
If not, I could deal with that size, but I think I'd still have to think pretty hard about not going with something a bit lighter and smaller, especially since there are few or no other tradeoffs in the specs.
 
@CodyGray They're thinner, but AFAIK they haven't changed other than that
 
3:27 AM
They probably removed the headphone jack, didn't they? :-(
 
@CodyGray They removed USB, HDMI, SD, but I think they actually kept the headphone jack
 
I already had to buy a barrelful of dongles the last time I bought a MacBook Pro. It's ridiculous.
Who gets rid of Ethernet?
And USB!
 
yeah, that's annoying
 
It's like a bad comedy sketch: person A hands person B a flash drive, and person B says, "Sorry, I have a MacBook!"
 
Ethernet I can understand, I have a 2014 MBP and an Ethernet jack would be thicker than my computer
 
3:29 AM
Dell has this cute little fold-down Ethernet jack.
The bottom is hinged, so that you can plug in an Ethernet cable, but it doesn't take up all that room permanently on the side of the computer.
It works well enough, since the middle of the notebook is thicker than the edges. But that raises the question: what's the point in having a notebook come out to a point? It's not actually any thinner than it is at its thickest point.
 
@CodyGray Unless they've changed something MBPs don't come out to a point, only the super-lightweight models like the regular MacBook and the Air
 
Ethernet is just something I use all the time.
Want to print? Hook up to an Ethernet cable, direct to a printer.
Not to mention that wireless is only good when you actually need to be wireless. The rest of the time, I prefer being wired for reliability.
 
@CodyGray yeah, me too. I use my laptop to run synths, and having a dongle that can just fall out instead of an Ethernet cable that clicks in stinks when on-stage
 
My PowerBook G4 was thin enough, thank you very much :-)
 
It boggles my mind how many questions have identical subject lines to their dupes.
 
3:34 AM
@CodyGray ha, I learned to program on one of those actually it was a G3 in like 2012
 
@NobodyNada Yep, I have a headphone jack. And four USB-C, one of which connects to a little docking station with all the other ports everyone needs.
 
The PowerBook G3s were also very nice, unless you were trying to run OS X, then not so much. But they flew on OS 9, and were the first notebook I ever saw that impressed me so much I just had to have one.
I was too young to afford one, though, when I first saw it, so I didn't get one until several years later.
I wasn't doing any programming back then, though. I just remember that screen being glorious for a notebook.
 
@CodyGray It's a beautiful machine by any standard
 
@CodyGray those 200Mhz processors had that effect. I felt the same first time I got my hands on one.
 
3:50 AM
This was all hardware.
I had G3 desktops, so it wasn't the CPU itself that was impressive about the notebook. I was familiar with it already.
Although the G3 was extremely impressive, too. Far more efficient than the 601 or 603.
 
Unfortunately I'm too young to have seen Moore's law firsthand like that
Now it's just "CPUs get faster at about the same rate as Electron apps get slower"
 
@NobodyNada I also partially cheated. I not only worked for a computer repair shop when I was young, but I collect(ed) vintage computers.
 
@NobodyNada it wasn't fun, having to wait in line at college to get a computer....and I'm not from the punch card generation...
 
@bad_coder I'm not from the punch card generation, but only missed it by 2 years...
 
4:04 AM
My first computer. Sold it to one of my college EE profs after 5 years when I upgraded from cassette tape to a machine with 5 1/4" floppy drives.
 
@CodyGray I only thought computers had gotten "fast" when the first processors with MMX came out...I was trying to translate that from x86 to x7 but looking at wikipedia haven't figured out how to map the architectures to one another.
@DanielWiddis I know a veteran when I meet one !!
 
@bad_coder What do you mean "x7"?
MMX were SIMD instructions added by Intel to the Pentium family.
Almost nothing used them when they came out. There were a few programs that used them by the Pentium II era, but still limited.
 
@CodyGray that! (I'm not a mac guy) too late in the evening for me to be looking up old architectures.
 
Oh... yeah, you can't translate between x86 and PowerPC anyway
 
@DanielWiddis had never heard of this machine, mighty interesting!!
 
4:10 AM
CPU microarchitectures are something of a pet interest of mine
@DanielWiddis Why did one of your college professors want a 5-year old CoCo? :-p
 
@bad_coder A fine bit of 16K. Wrote my first BASIC program, learned ML! // the prof was collecting old hardware. I think he wanted to disassemble it to play with the chip inside.
 
Oh, neat
 
@DanielWiddis ML as in Machine Learning?
 
I was jealous of my friends' Apple IIe and Commodore 64, though. :(
 
More software
Plus, the IIes were just better.
Nicer architecture, better designed
 
4:13 AM
@bad_coder Yes, ML. I programmed a rock-paper-scissors game to detect my patterns and beat me. Unsupervised learning for the win!
 
@bad_coder well, yeah, I had that too, but you couldn't program it. // Close votes as general hardware.
 
@DanielWiddis lol close vote is fair enough :) migrates to retro gaming
@DanielWiddis let's see my first programming was VB on a fairly sophisticated 386...Didn't enjoy it really, if it had been C I would have been hooked instantly.
@DanielWiddis but I did get a ton of ASM86 on an 80x86 my first year in college, and that was brilliant.
 
Well, I went from doing BASIC on that thing to coding on mainframes at college. Including actually doing phishing to collect my classmates' passwords (has the statute of limitations expired)? I think when I learned ASM it was on the Z80.
Then I learned Lisp. I think I still have a few spare parentheses laying around.
 
@DanielWiddis most of my teachers (and quite a few friends) are from your generation. In a lot of countries Computer Science didn't even exist as a graduation in itself, it was mostly still an EE thing.
 
4:21 AM
Yep, no such thing as a CS major for me. So I did math, and did a lot of programming for it. :)
Because parallel processing was the next big thing! Prolog would leapfrog the other languages!
 
Oh, I assumed ML was Machine Language...
 
it probably meant that back in 1980.
 
@DanielWiddis way too much electromagnetism for me...and all that goes with it.
 
Surely you're thinking of physics? No electromagnetism in mathematics
 
(Inserts commentary about how physics is just applied math.)
 
4:30 AM
The application matters, though
 
Very true.
 
@CodyGray well, too many of my colleagues just seem to have missed out on building a family. Between graduation and career it's a hectic life. So I like giving out a reminder every now and then.
 
@CodyGray yeah, that seems to be focused on files, as well, rather than memory
 
@DanielWiddis almost indistinguishable to me, it's become almost a mesh.
 
@RyanM Oh... I assumed we were talking about files. A memory lock shouldn't be that expensive...
Also, it should be necessary to lock on each individual keystroke. You could just ignore the entire line until it was "committed".
@oguzismail But, did you consider "This is not a duplicate question. That's like saying "How do I space studs on curved walls?" is a duplicate of "How do I build a house?""?
 
4:33 AM
Good evening everyone.
 
I'm out for today. Good night everyone.
 
o/ and \o
 
@CodyGray This is more or less how they solved it, yes :-) the issue, as I understand it, was that everything was based on the same in-memory model of the file, whether that's the code completion or the editor display
so a keystroke would tell everything using a read lock to interrupt and release their lock, acquire a write lock, add the character, and release the lock
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I flagged, but...does it really matter? It's just going to get roomba'd anyway
 
It shouldn't be this hard to build a text editor.
 
4:35 AM
@CodyGray yes I did, I proposed another duplicate target, and we agreed on that with the answerer
 
@oguzismail Ah, yeah, so you did. Obviously, I didn't read the comments.
 
Well a text editor is quite easy for reasonably sized files...a text editor that's simultaneously analyzing your code to provide information of various sorts is rather trickier
 
Certain language like "not a duplicate" just catches my eye.
 
@CodyGray my bad, should've mentioned that in the request
 
@RyanM I know! We'll use a regex background thread!
 
4:37 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
@NobodyNada The OP still has time to edit, though, so it's probably better to clear out the noise in the off chance that they fix the question.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Fair enough. That's quite the off chance though
 
Most people don't, but occasionally people will fix them. I actually answered one awhile back where they fixed the question. It turned out that they thought that Math.Abs in Java would edit the array in place and it doesn't.
Illustrating, of course, that if they had put their MRE in right away they would've saved time and gotten the answer faster.
It's actually a reasonable mistake for a new programmer too, come to think of it - I've probably done the same thing before.
 
No! Bad! Objects should be immutable!
 
4:57 AM
Hmm, on the right hand margin I have the option to see either 3 more starred posts, or 12,699. No middle ground?
 
@DanielWiddis well, if you click the button for 12699 it's paginated and sorted
 
I find myself in a flag suspension because I got four declined flags yesterday ... one of them is contestable, but do I really need to go to meta and explain, or is there a more lightweight process?
 
Indeed it is.
 
@tripleee There's actually nothing we can do about it. Mods can't manually lift a flag ban.
I assume the R/A flag on "Events operators : noEvent" was just a mistake, caused by reacting to a SD report too quickly?
 
@CodyGray the contestable one was a R/A flag on vandalism which I reverted; do you think it's worth raising that?
 
5:01 AM
@tripleee you can get a flag ban for a retracted flag? ah oops, retracted ≠ reverted
 
Oh. Yeah, no. That's not contestable. Don't flag vandalism as rude or abusive. It should just be reverted. Only flag as rude/abusive if it was always gibberish.
 
and retracting it now is pointless I presume?
 
I don't think you can retract it now...
 
In this Covid times posting things about events is rude and abusive ...
 
thanks, then I'll just live with the consequences, and actually hopefullly learn something (this was already instructive ... amazing I didn't end up with a suspension more often in the past)
 
5:03 AM
@tripleee OK, I managed to remove your flag ban by "disputing" that R/A flag.
 
the UI still says "banned"; if posting bans are now posting suspensions, shouldn't flag bans be flagging suspensions too?
@CodyGray whoa, thanks!
 
I think that's reasonable, since you have, in fact, now learned that vandalism shouldn't be flagged as R/A. (The reason why is because we don't want to nuke the post that has been vandalized. We only want to reverse the vandalism.)
Those NAA flag rejections were valid, though. Low-quality answers shouldn't be flagged when they do attempt to answer the question.
 
@CodyGray I don't usually slip on those, I was just too quick on the trigger yesterday
 
The real bug here is that a user like you, who has raised zillions of useful flags, would be banned after having 4 declined. Warned? Sure. But not banned.
Meanwhile, on Meta, where there are no flag bans, I have people raising the exact same flag 20 times....
 
"zillions" no, some 8,000 on SO and I guess about three times that across the network
 
5:06 AM
8k is a lot
 
more than "dozens". ;)
 
There are flaggers who have only ever raised 4-5 flags, and all of them were wrong.
Or the person who raises 12 spam flags on obvious non-spam. Those are the users who should be receiving flag bans.
 
@CodyGray "plz I need helps now my homeworks assignment is due in fiv minut"
 
@CodyGray fun fact: I actually somehow managed to have a productive comment conversation with that user and get them to fix a flaggable issue with the post in question...although I'm afraid you're about to say "which one? there are multiple..."
 
@RyanM Haha, absolutely.
 
5:08 AM
anyway, thanks again for educating me and fixing the problem in the process
 
@NobodyNada tanks in advancement!
@tripleee But now I don't get muh Meta repz!
 
A lack of flag suspensions on meta seems like a misfeature.
 
@RyanM Stop reading my private chats!
It says "mod-only". Whose sockpuppet are you?
 
@CodyGray Plot twist: I am actually your own sockpuppet.
 
This is believable
I did say, after all, that I was learning Android stuffz.
(Which is a total lie. I'm just trying to get a Yocto Linux kernel to compile, and failing miserably.)
 
5:31 AM
I would ask why, but then I got distracted and wandered off to see if maybe I should try to compile a Linux kernel. Just got back from that rabbit hole.
 
Tip one: Don't compile your own kernel, unless you're very bored and have nothing better to do. Yelling at the sea is more rewarding.
 
@DanielWiddis Work stuff. It's an embedded system that needs its own BSP, etc. I have no choice...
This was all supposed to be done by a subcontractor, but it turned out they are incompetent.
 
Sorry. Sending virtual coffee. And croissants.
 
This has been going on for... a year?
Turns out, it's very hard for a single person to do both hardware and software development of a brand-new system, while also handling all software development for ~10 other projects.
 
Indeed.
 
5:34 AM
 
@VLAZ Was he the first one to convince his management not to compile the Linux kernel?
 
Must have. The timeframe is about right
 
History tells us he apparently ordered the sea to be whipped and branded with hot irons while his underlings shouted at it.
 
Yup, that description sounds accurate.
I'm about to break out the hot irons myself, actually.
 
Sounds like a reaction from somebody who did compile the Linux kernel.
 
Meanwhile, I have another subcontractor (not chosen by me) who is supposed to be developing a driver for a GPS module, but still hasn't managed to successfully SSH into the system on which he's supposed to be installing the driver.
 
I usually get frustrated somewhere around the time I have to fix any problem involving Xorg in any way.
 
Mind you, this system was developed by me and has undergone extensive testing. All development and testing involved connections with SSH. It's even been deployed in the field, where all access was remote via SSH for months. SSH works fine.
He's been at it now for almost a month.
 
@CodyGray you shouldn't have deleted his Stack Overflow question asking how to SSH into a server
 
I am scared that we might be paying him...
Yeah, this is the kind of guy that would not have a good experience on Stack Overflow.
He sends me 4-5 emails a day containing copy-pastes of the console output. I just give thanks that they're not screenshots.
 
5:43 AM
@CodyGray Is is better if he does this work out of the goodness of his heart?
 
@VLAZ I'm going to say yes?
I'd rather get incompetence for free than have to pay for it.
 
OK, if it helps you. I personally wouldn't really like it, either.
 
Yeah, I don't particularly care for either one.
 
@CodyGray I was curious about "flag bans" and was about to ask how they work. It turns out: "you are judged only on flags handled within the last 7 days, and you are banned when 25% of those flags are declined" (meta answer)
 
Yep, I already knew that.
I remember the discussion of that feature, and Kevin rolling it out.
 
5:47 AM
So does that mean that if you had no flags for a week, and you made a flag and it was declined, you'd be banned? Since that would be 100% of the flags for the last 7 days...
 
@Nick it's 25% of at least 10 handled flags in the last 7 days
 
@RyanM thanks for the clarification
 
Laughs at @Nick's assumption that we would handle your flags within a mere week of them being raised.
 
Amusingly, the stupidest mistake I had a vendor I was working with make was by a vendor I actually liked, because they were normally quite competent... They had a library that consisted of a JVM wrapper around a much-more-significant native-code core that did all of the actual work. They once managed to ship a production release in which their packaging process had failed to include any of that native code whatsoever.
 
@CodyGray you've been taking time off to eat again, haven't you?!? :)
 
5:51 AM
@Nick We've actually got the flag queue down to where it will fit in a uint8_t, so... no.
@RyanM I bet their testing department found it was much faster that way.
 
@CodyGray good job!
 
@CodyGray I'll bet! It crashed quite quickly, given that the native code did all of the actual work...
 
@RyanM What was left to cause it to cra... Wait, you said JVM. Sorry.
It probably ran out of memory or something.
 
@RyanM People who only write enough java to access native code are the lowest of the low.
 
@DanielWiddis Ehhhh, it was a rendering library with an Android UI frontend...it actually made sense given what they were doing (and that it was cross-platform)
 
5:59 AM
@RyanM I'm sure it was excellent work, actually. I was making a very self-deprecating joke. My jokes here often fall flat. I should learn a lesson at some point.
 
I liked it, flat or not
 
I was ready to get outraged, so I guess I missed the joke.
I was getting the tar all warmed up.
 
If I get my hands on the chicken I'll add the feathers ...
 
6:19 AM
@DanielWiddis "...and am a committer on the Java Native Access (JNA) project" aha! I probably would've gotten the joke if I'd made that connection ^^;
 
Morning
 
Evening!
@DanielWiddis So, JNA is a hobby? What language(s) do you use at work? Or are you more in infrastructure?
 
Yes, JNA is a hobby -- actually my main hobby is my project OSHI which leverages JNA. At work I get away with using Java for my prototyping work, but the team uses a mix of C# and Powershell scripts.
 
Regarding this closed question ¿Error al mapear columna de mi table codefirst C# mvc? in the comments OP says he/she will edit and translate it.
 
@Cleptus The OP is allowed to do that. Once done, it will be eligible for re-opening.
 
6:24 AM
I know, OP said would do it, but got me thinking
 
@CodyGray a friend of mine had an expective consultant team come in to show how to do things in AWS. They knew AWS alright, but it took them four months to learn enough Python to do "Hello World"
 
Could we got a template so we could copy-paste from telling spanish users to edit it or fo to stackoverflow en español?
 
> This question is not written in English, and therefore does not meet the minimum requirements for Stack Overflow. All posts on this site are required to be in English.
 
I know
 
Detecting which language it is actually written in (Spanish? Portuguese?) is more difficult than it sounds, unless you actually speak that language.
If you do, you don't need a template.
 
6:26 AM
@Cleptus your English leaves something to be desired, but if you mean "can someone provide a message in Spanish" I would advise against that
 
I sometimes comment in spanish to those questions giving advice to edit the question
 
just linking to "Stack Overflow en español" or "Stack Overflow em portugues" with an English message around the link should be quite understandable even if they don't speak English
 
Really, redirecting people to other sites is something that needs to stop.
 
@CodyGray huh, why?
 
The vast majority of those recommendations are wrong, and thus actively harmful. They lead the asker astray, clutter up other sites with unwanted garbage, and just lead to overall confusion.
If I had a dollar for every comment I saw that suggested migrating to or reasking on Code Review but was incorrect, I'd have enough money to just delete stuff full-time.
 
6:29 AM
I get Cody's point, if you do not know spanish, you may not know if the question is low quality
 
I have been trying to say "check out site X but definitely read their help before blindly posting there"
 
Other sites have rules, too. If you aren't at least an active user of that site, or preferably have close-vote privileges on that site, then you shouldn't be suggesting that people move stuff over there.
@tripleee What do you think the odds are that someone who didn't read this site's help center before posting will read that other site's help center before posting? You gave them a direct link, after all. Which is easier?
@Cleptus You kind of do. You have a very strong heuristic: someone posted a non-English question on a site where everything is written in English.
 
The SO help center is, admittedly, less than clear on this point...there are a grand total of two mentions of the word "English" and neither actually says the question needs to be in English, it just implies it.
It's also far from straightforward to discover the existence of the correct site. I semi-frequently suggest migrations, but always with a link to the help center of the destination site.
 
If you could show me where there was a single non-English word in the Help Center or the Ask Question page, I might be more convinced.
 
@CodyGray the trouble is, how do you convince someone that this is a rule they need to be aware of
some of the other sites in the network will gladly accept content in multiple languages
 
6:40 AM
@Dharman Regarding that Gist you sent us in a mod flag: thanks. It's something that's been going on for a while, and it's definitely been on our radar. We've been pressing the CMs to handle it, but no luck so far. Your detailed report should be even more useful in allowing us to press harder. The abuse has been really egregious and noticeable from the mod tools for a while, but if regular users are noticing it, then hopefully someone will pay attention.
@tripleee The only sites I know that do that are the ones titled specifically with that language in the name.
 
I think one of the maths sites has a policy to accept content in any language but ... can't remember which one, and googling that is challenging
 
Posting in spanish could be accidental. Users could prepare the question in their native language and forget to translate it into english. I have sometimes forgot to edit the es-ESpart of the URL into en-us when adding adittional links in comments.
 
@tripleee I very much doubt that. There are only two math sites: MathOverflow and Math.SE. Neither one has that policy, as far as I know.
 
@Cleptus That's accidental or intentional is not particularly important. The question still needs to be closed until it's translated and then it may be reopened if it's actually on-topic.
 
@yivi Yeah, but we're kind of trying to understand the behavior. I made the claim that the fact that a non-English question was posted to an obviously all-English site serves as a good heuristic that the question is of poor quality and therefore no one should be suggesting migrating it anywhere.
 
6:45 AM
@CodyGray I had been thinking that it might be easier to deal with these (foreign language questions) by having a canonical wiki Q: can i post in languages other than English on SO. A (multiple, in the supported languages): No, but here is the appropriate website for your language. If there are one or two of these tagged with the most popular tags, most of these questions could be dupe-hammered immediately.
 
@Nick Multiple problems with that... First off, such a meta question would be off-topic for SO main. Second problem is that we really don't want to encourage people who don't read the rules to take their low-quality questions elsewhere.
 
OP has now translated the question, forgot to translate a sentence I translated, and it is waiting to it
 
In terms of the first point, obviously it would need special dispensation. But what if the questions are not low quality, just the wrong language? Also if they get dupe-hammered immediately they can be deleted rapidly too...
 
@CodyGray I think I found the guidance I was thinking of: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1617/…
 
@tripleee Ugggghhhhh. It is now confirmed. Math.SE breaks literally every rule ever.
 
6:50 AM
@Nick there is a general SE meta with that topic: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13676/…
 
How are people supposed to moderate content in languages that they don't speak?
Complete with a lousy 1980s-era Excel pie chart!
I was wondering how many people spoke "PunjabiGerman"
 
@tripleee yeah, I've seen the meta post, I've just always thought that it takes too long to get these questions closed and removed...
 
I'm down for flagging them as "rude/abusive".
That will expedite deletion.
 

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