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8:00 PM
It's actually hilarious how much of the world still runs on IBM mainframe w/ COBOL
like you as a 17 year old could probably learn it and make a fucking killing if you wanted to pigeonhole yourself into that
 
 call 'template' using the-vars "index.cow".
fuck no
 
hahah yeah nobody wants to do it but the people that have already been doing it; but they're all steadily retiring
COBOL jobs are going to fucking skyrocket in salaries
 
here's an idea, switch over your code to new languages
 
as the demand increases and the supply drops to virtually zero
ha ha
There's actually some good reasons that many places still use it
But yeah, switching over would be nice usually a 5-10 year project though
Currently on year 1 of it at my place
(that's actually why I was hired)
 
I know a bank that had an army of developers during 2-3y full-time to implement the core-banking in Java
 
8:04 PM
5-10 year project you say? Well it looks like their 35-40 years behind schedule.
 
but only banks, insurances and telcos can afford that
 
Yeah and even then most banks just improve the front-end and keep the back in mainframe
and interface with it instead of working direvtly on it
 
What is exactly handled by COBOL?
 
@JBis imagine hundreds of integrations made in a span of +30y revolving around such systems
@ballBreaker one of my projects was to create a REST api between the corebanking system and filenet :D
 
Yeah these systems are all insanely complicated from how long they've been in service and it's extremely difficult to unravel them
 
8:06 PM
+ they're extremely robust, secure and stable
 
all they need to do is run sudo rm -rf / and start from there
 
yeah exactly, extremely good at what they do, so why change
until they're forced to change because nothing interfaces/supports with it anymore
 
and because no one from the newer generation of developers want to maintain such systems :D
 
Plenty of systems rely on other langauges that need to be robust secure and stable
 
@Mehdi yeah exactly, I feel lke the biggest reason these companies are abandoning these systems is because their employees maintaining it are retiring now
 
8:08 PM
yeah
 
> The rumours of one bank even making calls to a nursing home seem credible.
 
@JBis It's because they're incredibly good at handling very high volume transactions
 
Dave!
o/
@ballBreaker So is every other langauge
Google.com serves more requests per second then all banks do combined
 
@DaveS o/ hope you're doing good!
 
Google doesn't use COBOL
 
8:12 PM
Google wasn't around in 1960
 
o/ yeah we're doing well, exhausted all the time
 
I understand why COBOL was used, but the notion that other languages can't compete with COBOL is stupid imo.
 
I don't think anyone here ever said that Jbis
 
6 mins ago, by Mehdi
+ they're extremely robust, secure and stable
6 mins ago, by ballBreaker
yeah exactly, extremely good at what they do, so why change
both insinuated other langs don't
 
ok FoxJbis
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@DaveS because of the kids?
 
8:13 PM
@ballBreaker genius
 
Saying something is good at what it does != others can't compete
 
hehe
 
yeah Mehdi
full time watching kids and working
 
Yeah I wasn't trying to say other solutions aren't better, just they're still really good at what they do
 
so it's wake up, watch kids for 4 hours, work as much as I can, watch kids more
working weekends because it's difficult to get 8 hours in during the day
 
8:14 PM
so many companies don't want to spend 5 years overhauling their entire infrastructure to update to a newer system when they have one that works JUST as well, but is outdated
 
that sounds tough, Dave...
 
the toddler has to be watched all day and the infant still wakes up at night
 
39 mins ago, by Carl Anderson
@Isaac your request for access is denied because you don't meet the requirements for access: http://room-15.github.io/
 
Yikes Dave, I'm sorry to hear that, sounds pretty rough
 
Well I hope when 2038 comes around it'll all come tumbling down
 
8:15 PM
it's ok, getting to spend so much time with my kids is nice but it's just so much fucking work
being able to both work with the kids in daycare saves a ton of time
 
@DaveS eek, that sucks
 
give them some whiskey
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@JBis Yeah I'm hoping most places have switched over by then heh
 
lol
 
or vodka
 
8:16 PM
Hey Dave
 
with orange juice
 
I prefer my children not to have brain damage
 
Shouldn't have had kids, then
BOOM RAOST
 
hahah
 
lmao
 
8:17 PM
@DaveS The tv is rotting their brains anyway
 
The puzzles fix it xD
 
@JBis we try not watch that much TV with them, try to keep them engaged with activities. 0 TV yesterday
 
impressive
 
which kind of activities ?
 
8:23 PM
Pool party?
 
We had a squirt gun fight today
playing with the water table toy, reading books
she's got a bunch of fake tools she likes to run around with and "Fix" things
singing songs like the ABCs, toddler shit
Wagon rides
 
@DaveS i used to do that XD
 
now you just do it with code
 
@JBis last summer break? :D
 
nice :)
 
8:24 PM
lmao
 
I discovered this today, been listening to it all day, it's perfect while working youtube.com/watch?v=Jw1Y3t1vtzI
 
@DaveS lol fake tools
 
@DaveS You should give her a power drill and let her do some real work
Just give her a quick 2 minute lesson, she'll be fine
 
lol oh yeah definitely
 
@Mehdi oh that's cool. Live ambient music.
 
8:29 PM
her fake one makes a little noise when she pulls the trigger
 
Oh man, I had a set similar to that when i was a kidie
 
@CarlAnderson if you ever come across this kind of music don't hesitate to ping me :D
 
wonder why construction tools are so appealing to toddlers
 
Mehdi, are you familiar with Amythistium?
 
nope!
 
8:31 PM
@JBis I think it's anything to "emulate" being an adult that they are interested in usually
 
@JBis toddlers are in a long process of being able to exert control over things as they develop more
 
discovering it now
 
so being able to use tools to fix things is appealing as they can do more than just destroy
similar to learning to throw or use the potty, it's all exciting
 
"throw" lmao
 
8:32 PM
she can throw her bouncy ball across the room
 
I love throwing the potty
 
lmao
 
I can't believe that after so many years of working I finally just discovered my "work" music :D
 
thats how i read it too
 
8:33 PM
A little more drums / faster paced, but that's what I thought of right away
Ethereal is one of my favorites of their songs
not quite as Jazzy either
 
> I can't believe that after so many years of "working" I finally just discovered my work music :D
 
@CarlAnderson doesn't matter, I'm already feeling relaxed and focused, this is definitely gonna be my work playlist
 
FTFY
 
glad to help :)
 
@ballBreaker Thanks! "finally" and "just" are redundant, right?
 
8:36 PM
oops I mean to include that
I was just moving the quotation marks
 
hahaha XD
 
Although yeah, you can almost ALWAYS remove "just" from your sentences and they'll stay the same and actually be more strongly worded
"I was just trying to help"
vs "I was trying to help"
'just' always makes a sentence weaker
if you know what I mean by weaker/stronger in this context
 
what about the "just" to mean "immediate"?
e.g: I just discovered
 
same thing I believe, but it makes more sense contextually
 
@ballBreaker I'm just not sure that's a just assessment.
 
8:38 PM
/adds context
 
I was just trying to kill you - see the word makes it fine
 
I'm not sure this discussion really gives the word the justice it deserves.
 
> I'm not sure this discussion really gives the word the ice it deserves.
 
Just add ice
 
8:42 PM
Okay maybe almost ALWAYS was a little off
 
Okay maybe almost ALWAYS was just a little off
 
juuuuuuuuuuuust a little
 
@Mehdi you might also like this album by jazz trumpeter Tim Hagans. It's his attempt at making "electronic music"
Starts off pretty fast but then slows down in the rest of the album
 
ok. Jesus. I'm closing this tab.
 
.replace(/ju+st/, '');
 
8:45 PM
With liberty and ice for all
 
@CarlAnderson doesn't sound like you adhere to his attempt :D
 
it's... more like jazz with electronic additions than anything like what Skrillex would produce.
 
I was wondering where I know Skrillex from ==> youtube.com/watch?v=YJVmu6yttiw I remember I had liked the song just because of the clip XD
 
dubstep is trash
 
a life of banditry triggered by a bunch of stolen ice creams :D
 
8:51 PM
if you listen to dubstep please don't admit it to me, I will respect you less
 
@DaveS I've always disliked dubstep besides this song youtube.com/watch?v=PaEnaoydUUo
 
lol wtf is that
 
just keep it playing XD
 
I skimmed it
 
you'll reach the dubstep
 
8:53 PM
it's like disney show tunes for a long time with a little bit of dubstep
 
those guys were trolls I believe (the guys from What does the fox say)
 
@DaveS hahaha
 
that's a good one too
 
9:04 PM
my favorites are the Telemarketer and the Marbles ones
 
cya everyone o/
 
Cya and Cya everyone o/
Hope to see you around (often) Dave :D
 
9:18 PM
I'll be back in force when this all blows over
 
9:49 PM
I'm out for the day
cya later folks
 
@DaveS I'd honestly forgotten that was even a thing. haha
There are worse genres though.
 
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