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2:13 AM
@SamuelLiew Look at me, breaking your userscripts :P
 
Such a stupid issue tbf
 
Yeah I didn't expect that
 
Ta for the help though, currently 3:20am here...
also didnt even realise tilde was meant to shortcut to close, I just use esc
 
 
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4:03 AM
 
 
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6:21 AM
morning
 
good morning to you Magisch. I just made a bunch of changes to the dark mode userscript over the past few hours. In case you notice anything broken just ping me
 
I notice more colors but nothing outright broken
And the chat box highlight for your own messages is awesome
 
yeah I forgot to add that until recently
 
I use the dark mode script at work and at home now, and some colleagues at work also use it
 
I have another userscript that may interest chat users: ChatImprovements - tiny avatars only, userlist with usernames, timestamps on every message, collapse room description and room tags, wider search box, mods with diamonds
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6:35 AM
That is pretty neat
 
yeah it's easier to see who's in the room this way
 
7:09 AM
good morning
 
good morning
 
8:10 AM
...and good morning / Guten Morgen / bon jour / dobroe utra / bon giorno...
...buenos dias
 
Moin.
 
Well if we're going to Euro it up, then I say goedemorgen.
 
Servus :-)
 
8:28 AM
was moved to main meta but still. I'm pretty disappointed with this followup: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/332229/…
Means adblocking SE sites is once again a necessity for privacy conscious users
I don't trust this integral ads platform as far as I can throw it, and their promises of not selling the data ring hollow when a large part of their business is to track you across devices regardless of any privacy settings.
 
8:49 AM
At this point I'm just letting them track me, I don't want to live a life where I have to question every click I make. I need some ignorance in my life.
 
like.. ignoring the existence of Meta sites...
 
@SamuelLiew Something I noticed with it previously (I can't use it at work but can check when home), there's no way to differentiate between black stars and hollow black stars in the starboard, they all appear hollow, so you can't see what messages are pinned and which aren't only which you've starred and which you haven't
Also, answer on the keyboard layout issue is pretty much "you'll have to put up with it", as you initially thought :(
 
9:43 AM
Would you flag a "Have you tried...?" answer as "Not an answer?" It's not clear cut on whether or not they're trying to answer the question.
Oh, it was an audit. Nvm, got my answer .^.
 
@Druckles "Have you tried...?" doesn't necessarily mean NAA, it's often asked rhetorically
 
"Have you tried" is just a rhetorical device to say "try this {presumably further explaination}" in which case the NAA-ness of the answer depends entirely on if what comes after is a coherent attempt to answer the question
 
Which is why I was hesitant.
 
Nothing wrong with skipping if you're not sure, or looking at the question itself using the link to get more info
 
It was a terrible answer either way: stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/23827756
 
9:56 AM
Agreed, but not NAA as it is an "attempt"
 
NAA flags are notoriously fickle and there is inconsistency in handling. Meaning be prepared for a lot of declines and headache when venturing into that field
 
^, I'd just slap a DV on it and move on
 
@NickA This, NAA is not "not an answer", it's "not an Attempt to answer". Where the inconsistencies come from is that people have different definitions of what "an attempt" is. Most notoriously: does that include attempts to answers THIS question, or ANY question...
I am a firm believer that answers need to attempt to answer the question asked and will be NAA otherwise, but I do not make the rules.
 
So am I, but I follow the rules we're given and so it's a garbage attempt, but an "attempt" regardless, RIP
 
indeed
 
10:29 AM
@NickA uh yeah, the chat sprite didn't give me a choice. I can find some alternatives when I get more time
for now just assume the top few are probably pinned
 
10:41 AM
Yeah that's what I've been doing, although it doesn't really matter if they're pinned or not
FYI, got an answer on that SU question, essentially what you suggested in your comment, perhaps worth reading the answer and comments if you're interested
 
 
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12:41 PM
@NickA ok, the normal unstarred star is now solid gray
 
Nice, I'll have a look when home
 
@SamuelLiew is there a intention for the moderator role color to be differential between sites?
 
what do you mean?
 
On chat it is teal with a teal diamond (no space), on MSO it is red with a red diamond (with space). On MSE it is blue with a blue diamond (with space).
 
uh nope I didn't check on the other two chat domains
 
12:43 PM
I mean the main sites
 
@Magisch That's just the way it is by default, that's how SO designed it
 
Shog has a red diamond on MSO, but a blue diamond on MSE
 
I think I set them all to teal so they should be the same. let me take a quick look
ok, CM/mods are also teal on on chat.SE
same for chat.MSE
I think you have another userscript installed?
 
hmm
 
 
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3:54 PM
o/
 
meh.
 
 
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4:58 PM
@SamuelLiew New stars look much better (Y)
 
@SamuelLiew Teal? That's not teal.
 
Agreed, teal has more green, i'd call it cyan
 
I updated the script but the stars looks the same
 
@weegee Which script? We were referring to the dark mode for the stars
 
Mine look more like star-shaped pineapple pies. Oh wait that's stars
 
5:10 PM
Oh I thought you guys were talking about the chat script
 
The colours was the chat script, stars was dark mode :)
 
Well, I think the chat script could be improved A lot
Not that it's not good
But it just makes the UX better
I have ideas for UI
 
I'm sure he's open to feature requests :P although you could make your own US
 
Samuel's scripts are kinda standard now. Who'll use mine? I'll site and make one for myself when I have time.
 
Maybe if you make a good one he'll add it to his library ;)
 
5:14 PM
He is Disney of userscripts, in other words.
 
Just like rene is Disney of SEDE
 
What is SEDE?
 
oooh
 
what discussion did I run into?
 
5:19 PM
@rene Even looking at active data explorer questions on meta SO, you're last to modify 5 of the first 15, hence Disney of SEDE :)
I swear you've answered every one I've seen pop up
 
@NickA I seem to be the top answerer. I don't ask many questions about SEDE on MSO. Now, on MSE on the other hand ...
 
Top by a long way lol :) you'll be getting that silver badge before long
 
In the SEDE room we have setup a feed for every question that gets tagged , network wide. I want to rule them all ....
 
rene the mighty data master
 
5:46 PM
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261320/… the question and comments have been cleaned to allow for on-topic discussion on this tag lol look at the comments
 
6:06 PM
@weegee maybe flag? or cherry pick a few?
 
not a fan of the NLN flag on comments. We should have some fun or the env will become more bad
@rene i had a question
New people when they first post questions about anything on meta. Take this for instance meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388655/…
Do they think that people here can't agree upon a simple fact that is this question broad or asking for an off-site resource
and if people can't agree upon a single point, why go to meta ?
Leaving the crucial parts, all I saw were opinions
And is meta a site for listing opinions or facts related to the actual condition coming up in SO?
 
meta is all kind of things. Best of all is that you get viewpoints from the wider community, not only the few tag followers, some reviewers and the mob from a moderatio chatroom.
Nobody has to agree, or at least not always. There is no must for consensus
at best you can say: a majority of voters found this answer worth an upvote so its stance is worth taking into account
Look at my answer and the accepted one.
I have the meta vote, George got the OP's vote.
Most users will continue to vote as I did. Some take note of what George did and might go Hmm, that is an option.
Time will tell if anything good will come out of it.
 
Moderation Chatroom? I have no idea what you're talking about >.>, in all seriousness, moderation has always and will always have some form of opinion to it, too broad to one person isn't too broad to another and meta is often about trying to reach a consensus or at least finding a common ground or at least a majority
 
Majority can be wrong too sometimes
 
@weegee that was bound to happen
 
@weegee Of course (but then it's your opinion), but you can only do so much
 
Meta's system is kind of like that. It makes the best answer the majority one
 
6:29 PM
@weegee but it needs time for the majority to realize that
 
Shame time is such a luxury huh
 
It's not an opinion. It's the truth, that's why democracy came in. It seeks the minority too but doesn't really relate here
 
Imagine you voted for something and the majority voted for something else, say independence from the EU for example, would you then say they voted wrong?
 
Well, yes ... duh
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lol
 
6:31 PM
What happened there acc to me, is that something which happens when like minded people meet
 
My point exactly, and they'd think you were wrong
 
@NickA that's opinion based
 
It's opinion, even in democracy
 
I meant to take it further
If people take that thread as a reference then what?
 
they ask a broad question and hopefully they take the advice in my answer
I mean: I can totally see how that question could fly, with or without mentioning that rushmore stuff, but that question wasn't asked.
 
6:34 PM
Be it broad or anything, the accepted answer clearly says that this question was answerable. It should've been closed.
 
Accepted != right, it never has, it often can be, but doesn't mean it is
 
We know that. What about the other people.....
 
it is accepted and down voted. That is a lot of info for any future visitor
 
Yes but accepted.
 
If you had never used a site like SO before, and you came across it and saw an answer at -20 with a tick, and an answer with +20, which would you think was right?
 
6:37 PM
The +20 one
 
To be fair, the answer from George did help the OP most ;)
 
@weegee So what's the problem? :)
@rene And yeah, I omitted that, answering the OPs question and answering everyone elses are different things sometimes lol
 
The problem is, not everyone's me :) @NickA
 
You can't help everyone
 
At least we can help those who can be helped
This discussion is about nothing lol. We can't change a byte (as in a computer)
 
6:40 PM
Yeah we're going in circles and we're not gunna change anything :)
 
yes we gunna not change anything
 
even when someone pops into meta to say they took the advice from that Q/A and it didn't fly then we can explain what the meaning of all that meta voting is
 
"Voting on meta is different"
 
Is it?
Oh
But my meta rep?
 
"Downvotes just mean disagreement and don't affect your rep"
 
6:42 PM
Think about this, one day you wake up and you see your rep changing and then you see a feature post: "We made voting on meta like the voting on SO"
 
the unexplained upvotes are killing me
 
before long we'll have the whole comment!
 
Can anyone explain why my post was upvoted? - Me because I can't believe I can do anything good
Voting on meta is funny. If there were extra points for meta voting, everyone should have 1 rep
 
They could separate meta rep and main rep and recalc from the beginning of time, that'd be fun......
 
lol
People are like im one of the close voters of that SO question
*People in the back going AHHHH THE GOD IS HERE
 
6:49 PM
hahaha old memes
 
And then rene will be like But I'm not a regular close voter
For anyone wondering, this is the I'm not a rapper meme
 
"Disney of SEDE"
Can you make a fork where you provide a user id?
SEDE is.... currently beyond me
 
Its for bots and rene
 
Actually I'm in that list already, 2685 rep, woop
Doesn't take into account 200 rep limit of course but that'd be extreme...
 
 
Can you help me to SQL inject SO? @rene
 
didn't want to spend more the 6 to 8 minutes on it.
 
I have 1235
 
That's awesome, thanks
 
@weegee uh, no. I keep that for myself.
 
7:05 PM
hold up
The DELETE permission was denied on the object 'Posts', database 'StackOverflow.Meta', schema 'dbo'.
How to fix that error?
 
yeah, well. It is not that easy ...
 
Can mods have delete permissions?
 
Strange, works for me (93078 row(s) affected)
 
Works for me too
 
@weegee only SE devs and some CM's have database access
@weegee congrats on deleting all posts from Meta.so
 
7:12 PM
I couldn't be more proud
 
2 days in a row I've found issues with Samuel's scripts (Y) he's gunna like me
@weegee Look Makoto appeared in the room to tell you off for destroying MSO
 
I'm sorry but this had to be done
It was becoming so toxic
 
@NickA My ambivalence to this is so strong right now
 
lol
 
I just noticed how the sql servers devs prevented to have to use the Giant S to cause harm to users ...
 
7:20 PM
swift is a really funny language
you can right "NO" instead of false
*write
objective c too
 
that is what you get when you let JavaScript inspire you ...
 
in coldfusion yes and no are synonymous with true and false
&& can be replaced with AND,
or and
 
Kevin loves coldfusion right?
 
it's the language i know
that and jquery
 
7:35 PM
Do you know pure javascript?
 
jQuery as a language. I kinda want to frame that. :)
 
That's why I meant @Makoto people start with jquery in javascript and not javascript lol
 
doing import antigravity in python genuinely does open your browser at the antigravity comic
 
I'm sure kevin knows javascript
 
(It's no surprise; a lot of people just know the jQuery part if they haven't dabbled with React/Angular)
 
7:37 PM
Wasn't JavaScript 4.0 not renamed to jQuery?
 
i'm more being facetious, ofc. Coldfusion is what i use professionally, javascript is what i do for fun
 
@Makoto This perfectly explains why I know no jQuery at all... I learned angular
 
jquery was something i spent a lot of time with in the past
 
I straight away knew why people use jquery more when i was learning pure javascript
I decided to learn pure javascript first then lol
 
before jquery i learned YUI, javascript was something that i just sortof... knew
i don't remember "learning" it,
 
7:39 PM
@rene As if cursed with great timing, the song "There'll be Sad Songs (to make you cry)" just came on after I read that message
 
@KevinB I think I saw CF in 1998 for the first and last time. Didn't really follow how it went.
@Makoto :D
 
My first time seeing it was when i was hired here
~ 11 years ago
before that... all i really knew at any kind of level is javascript
 
Everyone's so experienced * don't mind me i'm tiny
 
@KevinB wow. So is CF still in active development?
 
eh, i wouldn't call it active
no new features are being added
 
7:41 PM
@weegee I'm tiny too, I only graduated from uni last year
 
@NickA i'm more tiny
 
Been working 3 years (placement student for one year, then part time another, and full time again since)
 
Every now and then adobe makes a new release, but it's usually for things that have already been done in the open source versions
 
I'm tiny, I'm 5'3.
 
I'm so tiny, you'll neglect me lol
No i'm tall but i'm tiny among the people here. I'm afraid I might be wrong anytime
 
7:43 PM
@KevinB sounds like extended maintenance
 
@weegee meh, we all suffer from imposter syndrome
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we just have so much backend functionality in CF at this point, it's not worth changing without just throwing out most of it and not bringing it back
 
trust me, I suck at everything
 
@Mithrandir That's average female height in the UK, but then I don't know your gender :P
 
@TylerH eeewwww
 
7:43 PM
@TylerH that's me lol
Never saw you wrong in anything. btw.
 
@rene shush, you.
@weegee well, stick around a while, I'm sure you'll see plenty :-)
 
I haven't even started college and you guys are working in google and stuff.
 
meh, Google will hire anyone these days :-P
 
People here are like get a job in google and you are done for your life. meh
 
I work down the road from Google, does that count @weegee?
 
7:46 PM
@weegee Forgive my ignorance, but college and university are different things in the UK, do you mean you're not working towards a degree yet?
 
TBH most people who get hired by Google that I know personally end up leaving after a short time because of very high burnout
 
Also you may not like working at Google tbh - it's too... much IMO
 
@Makoto I know several people that do, my dad's friend is elon musk's friend and tim cook's too
 
There's a billion things going on, of which a billion minus one of them may not survive at any given moment
 
@weegee Psst... I only graduated high school a few months ago.
@NickA Average female height here is 5'5, and average male height is 5'9, at least according to Wikipedia. Any way, I'm short. :P
 
7:48 PM
@Mithrandir Congrats :)
 
@Mithrandir congrats
 
8:28 PM
@Mithrandir Congrats ;)
That is an evil wink.
I'm Prof. Mith's future Prof.
.
 
(;
 
@M.A.R. you remind me of my physics Prof.
 
I'm a bit more than 6 American feet and 1 baby toe. I never figured out if I'm normal or tall.
People tell me I'm a bit bulky though.
 
What's the full form of your username?
 
Maybe not tall, but not normal either ;)
 
8:32 PM
Not a physics professor unless your physics professor could yell "Puny God"
But my hair or teen beard doesn't look like Hulk.
 
My physics teacher's fav word is "Concept" and "Free body diagram"
 
Well, my favorite words are bananas and ice cream.
But not banana ice cream. That sucks.
 
@weegee It's my initials
 
@M.A.R. if you ask a question to my prof, he is like with a meh face "dId yOu DrAw a FrEe BoDy DiaGrAm"
its like saying blood test will show every problem you have in your body
 
8:35 PM
Yeah they can do that
But you need to know English, labese and hieroglyphs sometimes.
The normal distributions in blood tests are sometimes just nonsensical. Really weird methods.
Any news from meta.SO, or is this some pre-storm phase?
The hottest thing I remember was Germans being Germans.
 
Seems pretty calm atm... but then... calm before the storm
 
I mean that in a good way.
 
it's peace for now
 
I actually expected at least 10 percent more rants for the three close votes thing.
I guess even fewer users read meta than I anticipated.
 
No, there are many eyes
 
8:40 PM
Ew gross
Yeah, I prefer physics to eyes.
 
Today I learned a word with 6 letters and 3 y's, y's are close to i's right?
 
@NickA you mean syzygy?
 
I do!
it was on a HNQ lol
 
Lucky guess :-)
 
;p
 
8:42 PM
Yes, the Ys are pronounced like Is there
short sound, I mean
 
(to clarify that's "is" not "I"'s)
yeah :)
 
I turned off HNQ as soon as the feature came out
 
I ate syzygy yesterday. With ketchup.
So I definitely know what it is
 
though I'd much prefer to have a whitelist of sites that can appear and just see those sites
or at the very least, a blacklist of sites to ignore
either one would get me to turn it back on
 
@M.A.R. That made surprisingly little sense
 
8:44 PM
@TylerH Come on, some sites are pretty fun and entertaining
@NickA I know. Most people do it with mustard
 
That music one is soo cool. I get to see new guitar and piano questions
 
@M.A.R. Yes, some are. I quite enjoy many of the sites on the network
 
Wait, surprisingly? Since when was I known for my wisdom.
I obviously haven't been trying enough.
 
I like the DIY ones
 
But some I think should die in a trash fire, like Code Golf, Life Hacks, Puzzling, etc.
so when those show up (which was often, IMO), it pushes the signal to noise ratio beyond my acceptable limits
 
8:45 PM
Code Golf is interesting but other sites should die yes
 
Puzzling I don't mind, not a fan of PPCG or LH though
 
If I could whitelist I'd probably allow Physics, DIY, Worldbuilding, Programmers, SciFi, RPG, maybe Movies&TV and maybe IPS
not sure what else, if anything
 
Skeptics.
Who doesn't want the next Trump Gossip
 
Oh, I do sometimes go to skeptics as a quick way to get to well-sourced debunkings of ridiculous claims
I'd probably allow History, too
 
8:48 PM
IPS can be good if it's nothing serious
 
@weegee I'm not sure what you mean by "this is what I got"
 
This was on the first page and this is really personal. I should stay away from that
 
@TylerH "This is what I Game of Thrones"
 
Well, that kind of thing is off-topic there and almost surely not going to last long, let alone make it to HNQ
 
It does get a bit silly sometimes, but it's got a solid userbase helping out with the silliness
 
8:50 PM
but the site does have a lot of high quality Q&As
 
There can be "omg is she into me" questions, but there are some commonly occurring circumstances IPS has had things to say about.
 
@NickA I don't watch Rick & Morty
well, I did see one episode once
 
Nor do I, I just know the meme
 
Not that comfortable about them not being backed by the jillionth resource, for what it's worth, considering my background from a science SE
 
8:53 PM
watch it
 
It's on my list for sure
 
Jesus is everyone RO here?
My condolences for the heavy weight responsible for crushing your usernames.
 
pretty sure there's still less RO's here than in other rooms
 
@M.A.R. I once saw a question like " Why does my neighbor pay 0 attention to me?"
 
@KevinB I know, just messing around
 
8:56 PM
22
 
No u 22
 
 
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11:38 PM
@Makoto @Cerbrus looks like there was already a discussion about what voting on meta means: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/187018/…
 

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