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5:00 PM
o/
 
o/ Ahmad
 
sup carl
how you doing this fine day
 
our new rewards program has rolled out
and the servers are still up
so doing well
 
/o/
\o\
~o~
nice
don't tell raghav
he'll crash it
according to my highly complex calculations raghav alone makes up 1.3% of starbucks' revenue
 
o/ = high five?
 
5:09 PM
maybe, I thought it also works as "hi everyone" or so
 
ahhh
That makes more sense
 
Zoe
It's waving
 
o/ all
 
\o
@brandonx it's a waving person
 
@MehdiB. Where's Tim?
 
5:12 PM
o/ Dave
 
ty @Ahmad I think I got it now XD
 
oh hey @sarge! haven't seen you in a while! :)
anyone here do electron?
why is it so frickin hard to just get started with js projects
so much boilerplate it's redic
 
what's js?
 
juul smoke
stay hip Carl
 
I'm just trying to help him answer his own question
 
5:16 PM
I see
 
almost as bad as the UI hell that is massive xml files
 
js stands for just some [node modules]
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the node modules part is silent, and implied
 
sorry I thought I heard you complaining about working with Javascript
 
i thought it was an umbrella term - java stuff covering all things java whether it be node js or java script or java, because they are all the same
right?
 
which is kind of a tautology?
 
5:22 PM
was hoping to trigger someone but you folks are too spry
 
Ask Adam about his keystore
 
java is basically javascript now don't @ me
 
lol
 
working with java is easier than javascript
 
Zoe
@Ahmad car vs carpet.
 
5:24 PM
carpet is just the part of the car you pet
 
@brandonx oof damn, that's not a fun drive
 
Zoe
... you pet cars?
 
is the scenery nice at least?
 
they made a Javascript version of Java and called it Kotlin
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the carpet area you can
what makes JavaScript so JavaScripty is NPM
 
5:24 PM
the evolution of every dynamically typed language: first you love it, then you build something with it and then realize that it's all shit cause you don't have types and don't know what's mutating what
and then you introduce types to it
 
I was talking to a recruiter and I am sure this has happened to a lot of you but I was talking about my android exp and they asked me if java is that same as javascript.
 
aka typescript, and the dozen other typing systems for js
@brandonx yikes no that's actually never happened to me haha
 
or you use careful state tracking
 
I mean, I feel as though a TECH recruiter should have some basic technical understanding
 
I've never gotten asked anything technical from a recruiter
 
5:26 PM
they don't brandon
 
I was pretty much done after that.
Clearly dave
 
@CarlAnderson tempted to pin this to trigger everyone
 
XD
LOL
 
My wife's step mom told me she "worked in software too" and it turns out she just trains people how to use 1 piece of enterprise software
she's a biological tutorial screen
 
she's toenails deep in software Dave, give her some credit
 
5:27 PM
I got my current role through a third party recruiter that seemed to have at least basic tech knowledge.
Yeah, we look down on people who try to seek common ground with us, because we are the special ones. Not them, amirite?
 
down with the plebs, up with negativity
3
 
that's what I always say
 
death to the normies
 
we earned it cause we were the nerds growing up
and now what we do is cool
 
@ballBreaker that sounds a little too incel. Dial it back a bit.
 
5:30 PM
and as everyone knows, cool people look down their nose at anyone not part of their group
 
dave's down with the plebs is the perfect amount of elitism
without sounding violent
 
@brandonx sorry m'lady
 
tips my fedora
 
You just don't understand because you're a cuck libtard
 
hahahaha
SOOOOOO triggered
soyboy
 
5:31 PM
bahahhaa
 
lollllll
 
ok ok enough with that
 
We don't need to go there
 
how is cuck libtard okay and legbeard isn't
serious question here
 
5:33 PM
tbh that's not okay either
 
yeah let's get back to what we do best. Elitist yammering.
 
I'm not really ok with that one either
 
Okay
I was being entirely satirical by the way
 
Same
 
5:34 PM
np
 
I knew that which is why it wasn't moved
if it was said in earnest it was going to get moved too
 
I was going to say let's get back to talking about android, but ain'tnobodygottimeforthat.mp4
 
we don't do android here
 
NullPointerException cannot reference mp4 of null
 
let's all become react native devs
 
5:35 PM
I'm trying to figure out serge.io
 
I would rather die
 
I might actually be learning react native soon Ahmad
I'll add it to my bag of tricks
 
introducing react native to your code base must be the best job security ever, nobody can fire you cause nobody wants to touch that shit
 
have you added Kotlin to your bag of tricks yet Dave?
 
I know scala, does that count
 
5:35 PM
no because he's only a two trick pony
 
nope. I haven't started a new project in Android since Kotlin became mature
 
but isn't being homeless better than being react native developer?
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Jan 21 '14 at 21:36, by Ahmad
Kotlin doesn't even look half that bad
 
maintenance and small feature budgets don't cover the overhead of the learning curve
 
I would like to remind you all that i as the og kotlin dev in here
@TimCastelijns can i tweet that mate
 
5:37 PM
Zinkn may be getting series A funding though, If we go full speed on that, I might be able to pick it up
 
@Ahmad do a conference talk on it
 
I would not oppress your freedom of speech tweet
 
freedom of tweet
love it
you're on a roll tim
 
that's Trumps driving philosophy
 
> There is a wide range of experience levels among developers, and a full 45% of professional developers on Stack Overflow learned to code less than 10 years ago.
Damn I'm old.
 
5:41 PM
when did you learn to code carl
in the 90s?
1890s?*
 
so in the middle ages
 
yes, just after the dark ages of punch cards
 
actually tho holy shit you've been at it for quite a while
were you a teenager?
 
I was 8
 
5:43 PM
wat
:0
 
https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45951961#45951961
does it look bad at all?
 
Dad worked for IBM, brought home a computer and bought me a book on BASIC programming
 
ohhh
nice!
@SargeBorsch nope, but back then there was pretty bad developer support iirc
 
I mean, latest revisions of Kotlin seem to be pretty nice, probably as nice as it gets when you are linked to some kind of JVM
 
yeah it's pretty nice tbh
 
5:45 PM
That was the book
 
weren't ibm pcs really expensive
 
well when you work for IBM I assume you get a discount
but yeah it was probably a couple grand
 
tru
damn
 
The IBM PC Convertible is the first laptop computer released by IBM. Released on April 3, 1986, the Convertible was also the first IBM computer to use the 3½-inch floppy disk format which went on to become the industry standard. Like modern laptops, it featured power management and the ability to run from batteries. It was the follow-up to the IBM Portable and was model number 5140. It was replaced in 1991 by the IBM PS/2 L40 SX, and in Japan by the IBM Personal System/55note, which was the predecessor to the ThinkPad. == Predecessors == IBM engineers in 1983 reportedly developed a Tandy Model...
That was the computer
 
all I know about that time I know from the Silicon Cowboys documentary
 
5:47 PM
although we had a CRT monochrome monitor with it
> Release date April 3, 1986; 33 years ago
 
damn
that thing looks ancient
must feel surreal seeing the rapid development of the industry
 
yep, things just keep getting better
but there's always more to learn
there's never a point where you're like "yep, I know Java 7 inside and out, no need to learn anything more!"
 
true, I feel like my bucket list keeps growing every day
currently learning rust & golang
btw if you haven't checked out rust yet; definitely do!
 
eventually you realize that some things will become deprecated before you will get time to learn them
and you start avoiding cutting edge stuff
 
LOL
 
5:52 PM
Yikes Ahmad no reaction on your tweet
 
yeah
 
For instance, I never used an Android Loader
 
so sad
such a miss tim
 
and now they're deprecated
 
android loader was so bad
I kinda regret learning so much about android ui
 
5:53 PM
I keep trying to avoid Android fragments but it's too late
also tried to avoid Realm but too late for that too :D
 
really? I feel like no one uses realm
 
Starbucks uses Realm
under the hood for the product menu
 
well then you're stuck with
I feel like people could also avoid learning rxjava now
because kotlin coroutines
 
well I haven't learned rxjava
 
Wait google uses it? I thought they created room.
 
5:57 PM
but that's because we have our own internal homegrown version of it
 
google has a bunch of apps with conflicting tech stacks
 
I know how to invert a binary tree but Google didn't hire me anyway :D
and yes, they do
not even sure Google uses much Kotlin
 
but Kotlin is Jetbrains', right?
 
it's all a hazy mix
 
yeah but el goog officially supports it now
 
6:01 PM
there's at least one engineer at google that works on Android studio
but android studio is just jetbrains right?
 
probably more right?
nope android studio is all google
 
well I met one, so I can confirm there's at least one :D
 
intellij is jetbrains
 
> Android Studio is the official integrated development environment for Google's Android operating system, built on JetBrains' IntelliJ IDEA software and designed specifically for Android development.
I'm shocked you don't know this Ahmad
 
jetbrains definitely involved in android studio
I was under the impression kotlin was completely jetbrains baby
 
6:03 PM
^
 
I was under the impression we didn't talk about Android in here
 
Android Studio != Android, Dave
 
kotlin != android, Dave
 
Dave != Android, Dave
 
true, we only briefly talked about Android, fragments and Android Loader shudder
 
Zoe
6:08 PM
AS is horribly bugged though
 
it's better than Xcode, or so I hear
 
Zoe
yeah, but that's Apple. What do you expect? XD
 
every app with intelliJ core is buggy and gets slow very quickly
 
@CarlAnderson wait this doesn't contradict what I said
android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/adt/idea <- source code hosted by google
android studio is developed entirely by google probably with support from jetbrains
but it's built upon jetbrains' intellij
@brandonx kotlin is all jetbrains
 
hmm, I would consider android studio to be mostly intellij
I wish they hadn't forked it
I wonder if they ever tried to buy jetbrains
 
6:16 PM
@Ahmad thanks for confirming
 
I really hope they don't buy jetbrains
that would ruin them
jetbrains doesn't get enough credit for how much amazing stuff they do
 
I honestly love phpstorm and intellij
 
webstorm too
and CLion
and GoLand
 
are we just going to list all of their stuff?
 
I've used all of them
they're great
 
6:18 PM
MPS - Meta Programming System
 
also their xcode alternative is so much better than xcode
 
except it doesn't support key features
 
I have used CLion also. I like Intellij IDEA because it has nearly everything from all of their products
I have used it for php/grav projects, android, c, etc
 
@DaveS yeah but that's because apple doesn't let them right? at least that's what i thought
 
wouldn't surprise me. most pain points for iOS developers are due to Apple's restrictive ecosystem aka monopoly
 
6:25 PM
super serious android question: has anyone developed a bottom navigation bar where the menu items can have notification badges(with numbers or not) on them using the native BottomNavigationView? I found a decent lib here github.com/aurelhubert/ahbottomnavigation but I don't like that it appears I can't define menu items in XML, I have to create them programmitically in each activity or fragment I use them in.
SO SORRY for the forbidden android question
All the solutions I have seen seem super convoluted.
Just a shot in the dark I guess
 
hmm sorry haven't
 
I have found that when the android ecosystem seems like it's fighting you, just do it with custom views and constraint layout
it's usually easier than hacking a component that's supposed to save you time
 
^
also i figured out my react/electron thing
watch me actually release some stuff this year
please keep me accountable
 
!remindme 1 year
 
This syntax is not supported
 
6:35 PM
Damnit Adam
 
you got zucced!
 
@carl @dave I give you permission to ping me every two weeks and ask me how my side project is going
 
!remindme 365 days
 
Ok, I will remind you at 18:35 on 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 
Zoe
@Ahmad As your accountant, I woudln't advice that. The accountability count will go through the roof, the projections aren't looking good :/
 
6:36 PM
LMAO
:)
 
you didn't set a numeric limit on the pings, just that the permission renews every 2 weeks so prepare for lots of @Ahmad s
 
it's ok i need public pressure
it's okay dave
you shall ping whenever you shall like
talking about accounting; my US tax still hasn't hit my bank account :(
why is the irs so slow
am i being audited
 
... is that rhetorical?
 
did they put me on the terrorist list
no actually tho I'm afraid I might have done my taxes wrong
 
We didn't have any funding for the IRS for the first month or two of tax season
and then they cut the budget for the IRS
 
6:38 PM
wait for real?
oof
yeah I remember now
 
so unless you're a standard, low risk e-file
expect delays
 
I filed with sprint tax and it was only one w2
 
when did you file?
 
and I'm not even a first time filer
3 weeks ago?
 
did you do direct deposit or a check?
 
6:39 PM
but a friend of mine who filed a month ago got his within a week
direct deposit
 
you can check your refund status there
 
oh wat
i didn't know you could do that
dave
you the best
 
thank trump for making america great
 
i mean he did make me pay $200 less in taxes
 
all for the low low price of a few trillion in debt
 
6:46 PM
I am sure @eski is being satirical but you have been able to check refund status for at least 5 or 6 years online
nothing to do with Trump lol
 
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/04/labor-tax-rates-united-states-health-insurance
This article really highlights how fucked our labor system is, we pay more for less
 
shit it says I can't check it online
lol
it didn't find my status
 
maybe you should call sprint
 
dammit obama
 
it should at least say you are pending
 
6:49 PM
could be you ran out of minutes
 
lol
 
yeah this is weird.
 
they're probably all in a big pile in a warehouse
 
@DaveS where he isn't :D
 
Thanks Bush
 
6:50 PM
back when I had an issue, it at least said something like "we received your return and have mailed you communication. you should receive it soon"
 
lol mehdi
 
if you e-filed, did you get any notification from sprinttax indicating your e-file was accepted by the IRS?
Usually happens within a few days of submission
 
yeah I got an email
with my receipt and my tax forms
 
but the verbiage included would be something to the effect of "your e-file was accepted by the IRS" and wouldn't happen immediately after you filed
 
wait
WTF
so sprint tax sent me the tax forms and I have to mail them apparently
they didn't do the e-file
 
6:54 PM
convenient day for you to notice that
 
this is so misleading because why would they not do that
 
RIP
 
it's okay I don't owe any money
so I can mail them in whenever
 
RIP
XD
 
and get your refund in April 2020
they closed up shop for the year sry
 
6:55 PM
thx obama
 
lol
I filed in september once
got it a week later
but FUK
I don't want to deal with this shit
 
ugh millenials
intimidated by mailing a letter
 
XD
 
just donate your purposed refund to poor folks in the US like me
 
not gonna lie, it never feels natural to me to mail a letter
 
6:57 PM
bruh my refund is like 6k
i need that to live
 
right
so... mail the letter
lol
 
thanks my dudes
I would have never noticed it if it wouldn't be for this convo rn
 
Your e-file getting accepted is definitely a separate thing that happens over the course of a few days, just for the future
 
gotcha
 
7:10 PM
Ahmad how's your side project going
 
collapses
Just refactored the package structure for the app. Exhausted.
 
Hello amigos o/
 
7:54 PM
o/
sup PolarBear
 
Zoe
o/
 

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