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17:00
o/
o/ Ahmad
sup carl
how you doing this fine day
our new rewards program has rolled out
and the servers are still up
so doing well
/o/
\o\
~o~
nice
don't tell raghav
he'll crash it
according to my highly complex calculations raghav alone makes up 1.3% of starbucks' revenue
o/ = high five?
17:09
maybe, I thought it also works as "hi everyone" or so
ahhh
That makes more sense
Zoe
Zoe
It's waving
o/ all
\o
@brandonx it's a waving person
@MehdiB. Where's Tim?
17:12
o/ Dave
ty @Ahmad I think I got it now XD
oh hey @sarge! haven't seen you in a while! :)
anyone here do electron?
why is it so frickin hard to just get started with js projects
so much boilerplate it's redic
what's js?
juul smoke
stay hip Carl
I'm just trying to help him answer his own question
17:16
I see
almost as bad as the UI hell that is massive xml files
js stands for just some [node modules]
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the node modules part is silent, and implied
sorry I thought I heard you complaining about working with Javascript
i thought it was an umbrella term - java stuff covering all things java whether it be node js or java script or java, because they are all the same
right?
which is kind of a tautology?
17:22
was hoping to trigger someone but you folks are too spry
Ask Adam about his keystore
java is basically javascript now don't @ me
working with java is easier than javascript
Zoe
Zoe
@Ahmad car vs carpet.
17:24
carpet is just the part of the car you pet
@brandonx oof damn, that's not a fun drive
Zoe
Zoe
... you pet cars?
is the scenery nice at least?
they made a Javascript version of Java and called it Kotlin
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the carpet area you can
what makes JavaScript so JavaScripty is NPM
17:24
the evolution of every dynamically typed language: first you love it, then you build something with it and then realize that it's all shit cause you don't have types and don't know what's mutating what
and then you introduce types to it
I was talking to a recruiter and I am sure this has happened to a lot of you but I was talking about my android exp and they asked me if java is that same as javascript.
aka typescript, and the dozen other typing systems for js
@brandonx yikes no that's actually never happened to me haha
or you use careful state tracking
I mean, I feel as though a TECH recruiter should have some basic technical understanding
I've never gotten asked anything technical from a recruiter
17:26
they don't brandon
I was pretty much done after that.
Clearly dave
@CarlAnderson tempted to pin this to trigger everyone
My wife's step mom told me she "worked in software too" and it turns out she just trains people how to use 1 piece of enterprise software
she's a biological tutorial screen
she's toenails deep in software Dave, give her some credit
17:27
I got my current role through a third party recruiter that seemed to have at least basic tech knowledge.
Yeah, we look down on people who try to seek common ground with us, because we are the special ones. Not them, amirite?
down with the plebs, up with negativity
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that's what I always say
death to the normies
we earned it cause we were the nerds growing up
and now what we do is cool
@ballBreaker that sounds a little too incel. Dial it back a bit.
17:30
and as everyone knows, cool people look down their nose at anyone not part of their group
dave's down with the plebs is the perfect amount of elitism
without sounding violent
@brandonx sorry m'lady
tips my fedora
You just don't understand because you're a cuck libtard
hahahaha
SOOOOOO triggered
soyboy
17:31
bahahhaa
lollllll
ok ok enough with that
We don't need to go there
how is cuck libtard okay and legbeard isn't
serious question here
17:33
tbh that's not okay either
yeah let's get back to what we do best. Elitist yammering.
I'm not really ok with that one either
Okay
I was being entirely satirical by the way
Same
17:34
np
I knew that which is why it wasn't moved
if it was said in earnest it was going to get moved too
I was going to say let's get back to talking about android, but ain'tnobodygottimeforthat.mp4
we don't do android here
NullPointerException cannot reference mp4 of null
let's all become react native devs
17:35
I'm trying to figure out serge.io
I would rather die
I might actually be learning react native soon Ahmad
I'll add it to my bag of tricks
introducing react native to your code base must be the best job security ever, nobody can fire you cause nobody wants to touch that shit
have you added Kotlin to your bag of tricks yet Dave?
I know scala, does that count
17:35
no because he's only a two trick pony
nope. I haven't started a new project in Android since Kotlin became mature
but isn't being homeless better than being react native developer?
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Jan 21 '14 at 21:36, by Ahmad
Kotlin doesn't even look half that bad
maintenance and small feature budgets don't cover the overhead of the learning curve
I would like to remind you all that i as the og kotlin dev in here
@TimCastelijns can i tweet that mate
17:37
Zinkn may be getting series A funding though, If we go full speed on that, I might be able to pick it up
@Ahmad do a conference talk on it
I would not oppress your freedom of speech tweet
freedom of tweet
love it
you're on a roll tim
that's Trumps driving philosophy
> There is a wide range of experience levels among developers, and a full 45% of professional developers on Stack Overflow learned to code less than 10 years ago.
Damn I'm old.
17:41
when did you learn to code carl
in the 90s?
1890s?*
so in the middle ages
yes, just after the dark ages of punch cards
actually tho holy shit you've been at it for quite a while
were you a teenager?
17:43
wat
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https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45951961#45951961
does it look bad at all?
Dad worked for IBM, brought home a computer and bought me a book on BASIC programming
ohhh
nice!
@SargeBorsch nope, but back then there was pretty bad developer support iirc
I mean, latest revisions of Kotlin seem to be pretty nice, probably as nice as it gets when you are linked to some kind of JVM
yeah it's pretty nice tbh
17:45
That was the book
weren't ibm pcs really expensive
well when you work for IBM I assume you get a discount
but yeah it was probably a couple grand
tru
damn
The IBM PC Convertible is the first laptop computer released by IBM. Released on April 3, 1986, the Convertible was also the first IBM computer to use the 3½-inch floppy disk format which went on to become the industry standard. Like modern laptops, it featured power management and the ability to run from batteries. It was the follow-up to the IBM Portable and was model number 5140. It was replaced in 1991 by the IBM PS/2 L40 SX, and in Japan by the IBM Personal System/55note, which was the predecessor to the ThinkPad. == Predecessors == IBM engineers in 1983 reportedly developed a Tandy Model...
That was the computer
all I know about that time I know from the Silicon Cowboys documentary
17:47
although we had a CRT monochrome monitor with it
> Release date April 3, 1986; 33 years ago
damn
that thing looks ancient
must feel surreal seeing the rapid development of the industry
yep, things just keep getting better
but there's always more to learn
there's never a point where you're like "yep, I know Java 7 inside and out, no need to learn anything more!"
true, I feel like my bucket list keeps growing every day
currently learning rust & golang
btw if you haven't checked out rust yet; definitely do!
eventually you realize that some things will become deprecated before you will get time to learn them
and you start avoiding cutting edge stuff
LOL
17:52
Yikes Ahmad no reaction on your tweet
yeah
For instance, I never used an Android Loader
so sad
such a miss tim
and now they're deprecated
android loader was so bad
I kinda regret learning so much about android ui
17:53
I keep trying to avoid Android fragments but it's too late
also tried to avoid Realm but too late for that too :D
really? I feel like no one uses realm
Starbucks uses Realm
under the hood for the product menu
well then you're stuck with
I feel like people could also avoid learning rxjava now
because kotlin coroutines
well I haven't learned rxjava
Wait google uses it? I thought they created room.
17:57
but that's because we have our own internal homegrown version of it
google has a bunch of apps with conflicting tech stacks
I know how to invert a binary tree but Google didn't hire me anyway :D
and yes, they do
not even sure Google uses much Kotlin
but Kotlin is Jetbrains', right?
it's all a hazy mix
yeah but el goog officially supports it now
18:01
there's at least one engineer at google that works on Android studio
but android studio is just jetbrains right?
probably more right?
nope android studio is all google
well I met one, so I can confirm there's at least one :D
intellij is jetbrains
> Android Studio is the official integrated development environment for Google's Android operating system, built on JetBrains' IntelliJ IDEA software and designed specifically for Android development.
I'm shocked you don't know this Ahmad
jetbrains definitely involved in android studio
I was under the impression kotlin was completely jetbrains baby
I was under the impression we didn't talk about Android in here
Android Studio != Android, Dave
kotlin != android, Dave
Dave != Android, Dave
true, we only briefly talked about Android, fragments and Android Loader shudder
Zoe
Zoe
18:08
AS is horribly bugged though
it's better than Xcode, or so I hear
Zoe
Zoe
yeah, but that's Apple. What do you expect? XD
every app with intelliJ core is buggy and gets slow very quickly
@CarlAnderson wait this doesn't contradict what I said
android.googlesource.com/platform/tools/adt/idea <- source code hosted by google
android studio is developed entirely by google probably with support from jetbrains
but it's built upon jetbrains' intellij
@brandonx kotlin is all jetbrains
hmm, I would consider android studio to be mostly intellij
I wish they hadn't forked it
I wonder if they ever tried to buy jetbrains
18:16
@Ahmad thanks for confirming
I really hope they don't buy jetbrains
that would ruin them
jetbrains doesn't get enough credit for how much amazing stuff they do
I honestly love phpstorm and intellij
webstorm too
and CLion
and GoLand
are we just going to list all of their stuff?
I've used all of them
they're great
18:18
MPS - Meta Programming System
also their xcode alternative is so much better than xcode
except it doesn't support key features
I have used CLion also. I like Intellij IDEA because it has nearly everything from all of their products
I have used it for php/grav projects, android, c, etc
@DaveS yeah but that's because apple doesn't let them right? at least that's what i thought
wouldn't surprise me. most pain points for iOS developers are due to Apple's restrictive ecosystem aka monopoly
18:25
super serious android question: has anyone developed a bottom navigation bar where the menu items can have notification badges(with numbers or not) on them using the native BottomNavigationView? I found a decent lib here github.com/aurelhubert/ahbottomnavigation but I don't like that it appears I can't define menu items in XML, I have to create them programmitically in each activity or fragment I use them in.
SO SORRY for the forbidden android question
All the solutions I have seen seem super convoluted.
Just a shot in the dark I guess
hmm sorry haven't
I have found that when the android ecosystem seems like it's fighting you, just do it with custom views and constraint layout
it's usually easier than hacking a component that's supposed to save you time
^
also i figured out my react/electron thing
watch me actually release some stuff this year
please keep me accountable
!remindme 1 year
This syntax is not supported
18:35
Damnit Adam
you got zucced!
@carl @dave I give you permission to ping me every two weeks and ask me how my side project is going
!remindme 365 days
Ok, I will remind you at 18:35 on 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Zoe
Zoe
@Ahmad As your accountant, I woudln't advice that. The accountability count will go through the roof, the projections aren't looking good :/
18:36
LMAO
:)
you didn't set a numeric limit on the pings, just that the permission renews every 2 weeks so prepare for lots of @Ahmad s
it's ok i need public pressure
it's okay dave
you shall ping whenever you shall like
talking about accounting; my US tax still hasn't hit my bank account :(
why is the irs so slow
am i being audited
... is that rhetorical?
did they put me on the terrorist list
no actually tho I'm afraid I might have done my taxes wrong
We didn't have any funding for the IRS for the first month or two of tax season
and then they cut the budget for the IRS
18:38
wait for real?
oof
yeah I remember now
so unless you're a standard, low risk e-file
expect delays
I filed with sprint tax and it was only one w2
when did you file?
and I'm not even a first time filer
3 weeks ago?
did you do direct deposit or a check?
18:39
but a friend of mine who filed a month ago got his within a week
direct deposit
you can check your refund status there
oh wat
i didn't know you could do that
dave
you the best
thank trump for making america great
i mean he did make me pay $200 less in taxes
all for the low low price of a few trillion in debt
18:46
I am sure @eski is being satirical but you have been able to check refund status for at least 5 or 6 years online
nothing to do with Trump lol
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/04/labor-tax-rates-united-states-health-insurance
This article really highlights how fucked our labor system is, we pay more for less
shit it says I can't check it online
lol
it didn't find my status
maybe you should call sprint
dammit obama
it should at least say you are pending
18:49
could be you ran out of minutes
yeah this is weird.
they're probably all in a big pile in a warehouse
@DaveS where he isn't :D
Thanks Bush
18:50
back when I had an issue, it at least said something like "we received your return and have mailed you communication. you should receive it soon"
lol mehdi
if you e-filed, did you get any notification from sprinttax indicating your e-file was accepted by the IRS?
Usually happens within a few days of submission
yeah I got an email
with my receipt and my tax forms
but the verbiage included would be something to the effect of "your e-file was accepted by the IRS" and wouldn't happen immediately after you filed
wait
WTF
so sprint tax sent me the tax forms and I have to mail them apparently
they didn't do the e-file
18:54
convenient day for you to notice that
this is so misleading because why would they not do that
it's okay I don't owe any money
so I can mail them in whenever
RIP
XD
and get your refund in April 2020
they closed up shop for the year sry
18:55
thx obama
lol
I filed in september once
got it a week later
but FUK
I don't want to deal with this shit
ugh millenials
intimidated by mailing a letter
just donate your purposed refund to poor folks in the US like me
not gonna lie, it never feels natural to me to mail a letter
18:57
bruh my refund is like 6k
i need that to live
right
so... mail the letter
lol
thanks my dudes
I would have never noticed it if it wouldn't be for this convo rn
Your e-file getting accepted is definitely a separate thing that happens over the course of a few days, just for the future
gotcha
19:10
Ahmad how's your side project going
collapses
Just refactored the package structure for the app. Exhausted.
Hello amigos o/
19:54
o/
sup PolarBear
Zoe
Zoe
o/

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