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12:02 AM
@Joshua is currently being burninated. See the pinned message in the sidebar for more helpful links.
 
@Joshua I have a Meta request for an abbreviated burnination of the tag, but I'll probably leave that one up for awhile longer before I do anything with it in case any interested parties object.
 
 
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jww
5:15 AM
It looks like Joe just rage quit... I want all his points to use for downvotes!
Did anyone watch Ready Player One? It has been making its rounds on cable television in the US.
 
7:01 AM
 
 
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8:27 AM
 
Very bad question.
 
8:42 AM
Hiya \o
HNY fellow closers
oh the starboard
With a heartfelt heart we close the time that gunr has spent with us ... most importantly: don't meet too much, meetings can grab you away of us...
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Happy new year all
o/
 
 
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10:02 AM
@IslamElshobokshy what are you asking for?, that we should flag the answer or close the question?
@SardarUsama I can't really understand the question (since I'm not matlab) but it seems like he is asking for a function that is within standard functions, hence not another lib... maybe the answer is just "no there are none"?
 
Flag, but it has already been removed
 
@IslamElshobokshy you don't need to ask for flags in this room. One flag is enough to put it in the review queue and more flags don't help.
 
Morning all, happy new year :)
 
Now that gunr is gone to permanent meetings... can we just propose @PetterFriberg as a replacement RO ? : >
Community RO
oh BTW hiya rene wish you all the best pollens for pollination in the new year!!
 
10:22 AM
@PetterFriberg it asks to FIND such a builtin function that can be adjusted for that algorithm and hence the cv reason. Whilst you're right, if answered with yes, the OP must be actually asking how (which makes it too broad).
 
ok thanks for clarification
@tripleee maybe better to not migrate that... I went with unclear..
 
@PetterFriberg I basically never propose a migration, just click the off-topic -> belongs to another site -> SF or SU
 
and that does not suggest it for migration?, I never really understand how that works, I'm just guessing it suggest it to be migrated (hence maybe it migrates or mods on site see it)
 
sorry, it's the other way around, I quoted the wording from memory
off-topic -> (top two reasons) just end up with a yellow close box explaining how this is not suitable here but might be okay if you edit, or else try this other site
off-topic -> belongs on another site -> (pick one of five) nominates for actual migration
screen shot of the latter: i.stack.imgur.com/DMrkF.png
 
so the first two options do nothing else then closing it?
 
10:32 AM
yep
there's a meta about this but I'll be damned if I can find it
 
ooh then I learned something new, I was supposing it fired some mod flag or similar on super user etc.., hence started a migration (if question is new)
 
oh here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/226027/… (probably not exactly the one I was thinking of though)
 
thanks!
hmm so you can't actually migrated it to server fault?
 
not easily no, you can put Server Fault in a custom close reason but I'm not entirely sure if there is something in place to automatically nominate it for migration through that mechanism or if it's a manual mod decision
the top 5 sites is determined statistically and updated occasionally; I recall SF used to be among the top 5 targets but I guess dba took their place
 
10:48 AM
@tripleee I doubt that if you put it in other close reason something is launched, probably you would need a custom mod flag and an SO mod (with tons of energy) need to contact a Server fault mod... anyway thanks for info.
 
@PetterFriberg sure (-:
 
11:47 AM
flagged
 
12:24 PM
@tripleee Sorry, voted for the wrong dupe. More coffee required.
 
!!/coffee MichaelDodd
 
@StephenKennedy brews a cup of Latte for @MichaelDodd
 
@SmokeDetector Stick a bit of vanilla syrup in there and it'll be perfect :)
 
12:40 PM
 
1:27 PM
@SmokeDetector Keeping an eye on this one. User has posted a link to the same plugin twice. I've asked them to clarify their affiliation, and ready to flag if they post the same link again.
Rolled back to a previous revision but R/A still stands for revision 4
 
@MichaelDodd Don't roll it back if the OP makes the edit. If someone else vandalizes it feel free
 
@Machavity sorry, my bad, should I replace that with a modflag explaining?
 
@MichaelDodd Just rude flag it. The user clearly wants a ban of some sort
 
@TemaniAfif it technically wasn't spam as it WAS a question, just not in english :P
 
1:38 PM
@IslamElshobokshy Username and profile was suspicious though
 
It was spam. The links were ads for medical tours
 
Okay if you say so :) Question was deleted I can't see it to re-check. Cheers!
 
Hem. I answered a question. Realized it was a duplicate so closed it. Now the answer is accepted and somebody (not me) voted to reopen it ^^
 
@IslamElshobokshy yes it was in french and I am a french guy too. The question wasn't very accurate, poorly written, so probably a simple copy/paste to pretend it's a question.
@IslamElshobokshy oh and I see you are french guy too :)
 
1:56 PM
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis A question you helped delete was undeleted (was mentioned in this Meta)
 
@TemaniAfif yep I'm living in France, in the North-East :D I didn't have time to read the question, just read the title linked here ^^
 
Oh I hate useless answers from gold badges...
 
2:14 PM
@MatthieuBrucher link?
 
@DenysSéguret Nope, I won't post a link to avoid crossing any chart here. But it's not the first time that I cross lines with 200k+ users that keep on posting the same useless answers and screaming at people for commenting simple questions.
I suppose they like SO being a giant mess of one-user only questiosn with no way to get to really great questions.
 
plops in
blep
 
\o
 
2:24 PM
o/
 
I picked up bouldering for the second half of December
My limbs are currently noodles.
~o~
 
@Compass Nice, bouldering is alright, I prefer climbing regular feature walls though (as in 15-20m ones rather than boulder walls)
 
@NickA Same here :)
 
2:29 PM
@Compass I've seen cats climb curtains before, but boulders, that's impressive
 
I can do belay climbing, I just have no partner =w=
my arm strength is also not strong enough to do a full wall on high difficulty :shrug
 
I tend to use auto belays at the facilities by me
 
I should probably take up something like that. Got decent leg strength from lots of running but very little upper body strength
 
Leg strength is a big part of climbing
Should be pushing up with legs rather than pulling up with arms most of the time.
 
A huge part*
 
2:35 PM
Arms only used for when you can't use your legs.
 
huge or yuuuuge?
 
huowge
 
I'm stuck on a V1 =w=
'https://i.imgur.com/C4TFMui.jpg
The white set
Supposed to waddle over from the left to the right. Can get about 2/3 of the way and then plop
Wish I had less tummy
 
What's a V1 when it's at home? :P
 
Happy 2019 all!
 
2:39 PM
o/
 
Seems I started out the year with being the victim of some targeted downvoting... never change, SO! :-D
 
I should buy an assisted pullup machine
 
\o
@TylerH "New year new SO"
 
@Compass I have a Y membership so I use theirs
 
Never mind
Too expensive
 
2:40 PM
@Compass ... I use a door frame for my pullups
 
I’ll buy bands
I have this... weider 200 power tower
Which is nice but I can’t do any pull ups
Soooo
 
machines are expensive and heavy and take up room
 
I have the equipment but not the strength to do 1
Ooh these bands look nice
$80 for a set
I think at my current strength I can pull up about half my weight
Which is sorely disappoitnting but expected
 
@Compass Can you fit a chair or stool under you?
those work just as well for assisted weight pullups
 
I tried with a trampoline.
That uh
didnt go so well
 
2:50 PM
@TylerH That's not helpful, I don't own a chair or a stool, and I don't think I can fit a sofa under me
 
I think these bands are the best option
I already have a pull up bar
So adding them out
Should be fine
 
@Compass hehe yeah
Well with a chair or stool you can stand on it in a squatting position and just use your legs as much or little as you need, and you can also use one leg instead of both
 
The problem is then I’ll almost use all my legs I think
its very hard for me to reduce the amount of legs I use if my current status is no movement
 
Well it's up to you to make that call but if you can't do a pullup then I would expect you to use most or all leg to begin with anyway
 
Are door frame pull up bars any good/worth getting?
 
2:59 PM
I have a weider 200
it has a pull up bar and other things
 
@NickA I had a basic one, it moved the door frame itself. Try getting one that doesn't need screws.
 
the problem I’ve heard about pull up bars is that not as much space
 
@MatthieuBrucher Well I would need a screwless one because it's a tenancy rather than my own place
 
Versus a dedicated one
 
Of course, depends on the flat, I can fit one like that in my flat, as it is wider than the door frame and needs solid wall above the frame (no glass)
 
3:02 PM
@MatthieuBrucher Looks good, but not screwless :P
 
I mean, no screws in the wall at least ;)
 
lol
 
You don't need to add the 2 metal pieces.
(the top will rest on the door frame, and that's good enough)
 
Indeed, I went through the pictures and saw that. the "requires" is a bit misleading
and my door frame is quite thick and supports my weight easy so should work well
 
There are many flavors of these (mine doesn't have the metal thingies), with different pull up width as well.
 
3:06 PM
Door frame is great on it's own but it's mighty uncomfy (although you get the grip training in at same time)
 
I have several grip trainers :p
 
I've invested in a couple ironmind ones and they've been doing me well
Although I'm small and weak and can barely close a 45kg one on a good day
 
@Machavity That's a good choice. They have everything for young men to enjoy.
 
@NickA sure, they are great as long as your drywall and frame are decent
 
3:21 PM
@TylerH Frame can support me (60-65kg :( ), I'd probably be fine with a telescopic one that goes inside the frame
 
@NickA It's not the same force applied on the frame. If it's wooden and not steel, then expect deformations.
 
A trusted user should be available to hammer a question even when he was the one adding the tag for which he has a gold badge. The last question I posted wasn't hammered just because it was missing the js tag...
 
@MatthieuBrucher Good to know, I'll look into it a bit more, maybe will just ask land lady about it
 
@StephenKennedy Apparently you can stay there. With a wide ethnic mix of other enthusiastic young men. I've heard it's quite fun.
 
@DenysSéguret that is open for abuse which is also a reason why our rules explicitly forbid to ask for adding a tag so it can be hammered. Not saying you would do that, just for information.
 
3:35 PM
If you tell her that, she will probably say no.
 
The meaning of "trusted user" is not the one I thought it was. A warning to the user doing that and some visibility of the operation in the history should be enough. I don't see what abuse there would be that is not already possible.
There we are with an answer coming 5 minutes after my comment and my CV... and bringing nothing...
 
@MatthieuBrucher The frame should not deform or warp regardless of whether it is wood or steel, otherwise you have a seriously poor quality
like Ikea pressed wood or some crap like that
The drywall above the frame may depress if it is old/compromised/if you apply great weight often and regularly/swing from the pullup bar often
 
The Weider Power Tower does not require a door frame if you are looking for a frameless alternative
 
@TylerH I agree. In my case, it happened :( UK, what can you expect!
 
@DenysSéguret The potential for abuse is a user adding tags to questions inappropriately just to close them as dupes
 
3:48 PM
@Compass I don't have room for something like that, I don't even have room for a desk and sit on the sofa at the PC :P
 
@MatthieuBrucher My condolences. Did you get a better door frame?
 
oof
you can go to the playground and use the jungle gym :)
 
lol
 
I'd do that if I didn't have a pullup bar
and be embarrassed hanging there.
 
@TylerH well, I used a better pull up bar later, but now I have to go back to that one since I moved flats, and I don't have any door frame with enough margins or without glass above.
 
3:51 PM
@TylerH The frame is all solid wood (I think hardwood although couldn't say) and the door is one of 4 in a 1mx1m room (my hallway :P), dry wall is fairly strong
 
Oof... county is trying to ban 3d printed guns because "they cannot be detected by metal detectors"
 
@Compass Surely the can detect ammunition though...
 
yes
 
@Compass Not a valid enough reason?
 
Wood baseball bats cannot be detected by metal detectors and they are more deadly than a 3d printed gun that has no ammunition.
 
4:01 PM
Well a gun's not much use without ammo... I remember the concern from a while ago, at the time they weren't too worried because metal parts were still needed (springs etc.)
 
That's going to be a piece of ABS or styrene.
 
In the UK i'm surprised they haven't tried banning 3d printed knives yet...
 
i mean
you can buy plastic forks and knives already
 
Sure, a bat is a really good weapon, but it is a lot harder to conceal then a gun
 
But it's a gun that cannot fire.
Because it has no metal components.
 
4:03 PM
@Compass Every gun is a loaded gun if you take gun safety seriously
 
There is a reason they add metal fillings to ceramic blades.
 
Also ammunition is nowhere near as regulated, not to mention you can buy it everywhere
 
But you can't walk through a metal detector with ammunition. That is detected.
The idea that a 3D printed piece of plastic can be banned simply because of its shape is silly.
 
You can also walk through most metal detectors with a single bullet on you. I never take off my belt and that has a lot more brass then a single casing.
 
@Compass right, you can easily buy ammunition anywhere, that's the point
 
4:05 PM
I mean, might as well ban pen guns <_<
 
4:16 PM
^ I disagree, autoflag was correct
 
in before plastic ammunition
 
if that's one of those fake support sites which scam ppl I'd prefer red flag too
 
Can you still bring a kilogram of high explosives as long as it's packaged with a touch screen and a few buttons?
 
4:46 PM
@Compass I am game
 
Hello, 3 weeks ago I had flagged that Docker-related question stackoverflow.com/q/53723186 as a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/q/52247595; my flag will probably age away soon but it seemed to me it was truly an exact duplicate... is posting a message here a good idea in this case?a
 
@ErikMD You can post a cv-pls request see socvr.org/faq for how to format it
basically with that request you ask us to review it and maybe we will :), it would be something like this chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/44965913#44965913
 
5:06 PM
Would you close this one? Or is it one of those "requests for official resources" we'd better not?
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays I'd call the Shog9 directive on that one
 
I'd leave it open. It's one of those asking for official sources.
 
All right. I'll just do the usual meta commentary removal.
 
5:25 PM
@PetterFriberg OK thanks for the hint; I'll know this for the next time :)
 
@ErikMD you need to send a request for that one if you like people to review it (many will not review if not a cv-pls request ;). Anyway have fun!
 
^ I'm unsure on that last SD report. It's an answer, but that ending seems spammy
Benefit of doubt for disclosure I think
 
@SmokeDetector It was editet 1min ago - commented,let's see if he edits.
 
@PatrickArtner Where did that extra code originate from? An answer that should've been an edit?
 
5:35 PM
@MichaelDodd He originally posted the code and error both as image - he edited the first part of the code in himself,I gave him a hand with the error because he said SO does not allow him to edit it in.
 
@PatrickArtner Right, gotcha, will vote then
 
thx
do not like to undelete answers on posts I closevoted while still closed :/ thats unfairand now it has enough detail anybody can have a go at it
 
5:53 PM
 
6:09 PM
Well TIL I learned another way that SQL is lame. When month = 1, Month(GetDate()) - 1, month will be set to 0 instead of 12
one of those cases where you write code on Jan 2nd and then don't find out it doesn't work until 365 days later
My fault I guess for assuming Month() and Day() worked intelligently like GetDate()
 
Ron
6:27 PM
o/
@Nkosi I take it you won the lottery, squandered all the money and now you are back to SOCVR? Happens a lot in here.
5
 
@Ron No, long story, tl;dr; - HD failure, took up woodworking, and scouts took up the rest of my time.
 
Ron
@Nkosi Yeah, that's what all the ex SOCVR millionaires say.
 
rofl
 
Ron
;)
 
6:35 PM
new term starts next week so I'll be back in the same boat
 
he discovered the primitive technology YouTube channel
 
Ron
haha
Both him and me :)
 
@TylerH Close. It was actually The Wood Whisperer.
lol
 
Ron
lol
 
So now I do that on the side. While the glue dries I pop on SO every so often
 
Ron
6:38 PM
Do you do artwork or furniture?
 
Then I came to the realization of how much of my time SO actually takes up. lol
 
Ron
@Nkosi Amen to that.
 
@Ron furniture.
 
Ron
I've been absent from SO as well.
@Nkosi Do you ship to SE Europe?
 
haven't scaled that big as yet. :P
been doing more cabinetry work
 
6:40 PM
@Nkosi Oh great, first result for that account on YouTube comes up as: The Gaming Table there goes my next few weeks of free time...
 
Spend the last few months ramping up on it and been getting small jobs
fix some chairs. (basically take them apart and rebuild then with stronger joinery)
Done one kitchen so far and have a remodel lined up. Moving a kitchen 90 degree from one room to another.
now I do my coding in between that since I did most of my coding at night anyway. :P
So juggling those two passions.
 
Ron
Career change eh?
 
More like a shift
 
Ron
Joking aside, it's good to hear again from you.
 
Took the old adage "building kennel vs Sky scrapers" literally. lol
It's all good. Busy, but good.
I managed to get my SO swag in the process. :P
@Ron so what have you been up to? What did I miss around here while I was away.
 
6:49 PM
We all got a $1000 holiday gift card from Shog for our efforts
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I missed out then, lol
 
@TylerH Pity they were all to Forever 21
 
rofl
 
@Machavity I for one am thoroughly enjoying me 50 pairs of sparkle jeans with "cutie" written across the butt
 
Ron
@Nkosi Status quo pretty much. Still employed.
The 9 to 5 blues.
It's Ok.
 
The tag abbreviated burn has Meta sanction if anyone would be willing to help me review the questions. Looks like it's mostly a retagging effort at this point.
+29/-1 on question, +13/-0 on answer saying "yes," +1/-5 on answer saying "no."
 
7:42 PM
Is this stackoverflow.com/users/7386033 for everybody else erroring out as well?
 
no
it loads for me
 
you don't get an Oops?
 
@rene No oops for me
 
@rene I get a Vivian. Unless Vivian was an oops
 
@NathanOliver weird this is what I see: i.stack.imgur.com/fF21r.png /cc @Machavity @Compass
 
@NathanOliver are you in a StackOverflow Team?
 
Way back in the old teams thing they were doing but not in the new paid one.
 
Needs some flag support to remove it targeting cvers
@rene error for me
 
@PetterFriberg gone in multiple ways
@Machavity are you in an SO for Teams?
 
And I have SOBotics and characoal teams
 
7:54 PM
@PetterFriberg looks like it errors if you are in an SO for Teams
 
Meta time...
 
yep, writing a report
 
reminds me of the time I was one of 7 people with a metaSE profile for chat only =w=
 
@PetterFriberg bug report meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/378468/… /cc @Machavity @NathanOliver @Compass
 
@Machavity I can't read this question: stackoverflow.com/q/6246273 from the audit what is it like?
 
8:09 PM
@Compass hmm why was that deleted by a mod that is not very active...
 
I can't view any of these questions except by title but that title is for a JS question that asks for a specific syntax for something in JS which I would equal to "how to find remainder in XYZ" which is a single-line answer that is useful and canonical.
 
@Compass I'm on mobile so no screen shot, but I would probably gone "looks ok" but it is deleted by mod even 8f not closed and 53 upvotez... not sure what is going on with that
@Compass maybe OP asked to delete it, but still strange
 
@Compass here you go i.stack.imgur.com/e0o5i.png
 
waaaaaaaaagh
The answer is nice. Syntactical question, technically a typo, but anything in JS that doesn't work as expected is a typo =w=
 
@Compass technically a typo? Hmm I don't agree, OP had wrong code and assumption
 
8:21 PM
I mean
99% of the time
Javascript is nice enough that your wrong code is still valid
 
@Compass let's mod flag and ask? :)
 
I can't mod flag it so I am not responsible for it =w=
 
If you like I can flag
 
there's that uh
audit meta
probably keep it in there to not asplode mods
 
@Compass Yeah post an answer there if you like
The mod has an answer on question so maybe a misstake
 
8:31 PM
@Compass It was deleted around the time that mods were having a problem with a userscript that deleted extra non-intended questions. It is also mentioned in this Meta question, asking for people to review deletion.
 
I wrote a small answer
Just asking for clarification and stuff
 
Perfect!
@Compass was it also an audit?
 
not in the review queue
but as part of that general audit
 
Aaah ok
 
9:13 PM
@WaiHaLee we should probably flag the user, it's his second edit like this.
 
@rene No
@WaiHaLee We request that you merely ask for a [review-pls], since we're not directing people how to vote
 
9:30 PM
@Machavity okay - apologies: I'll use [review-pls] next time.
@TemaniAfif Good spot. Would you like to flag, or shall I?
 
9:45 PM
@Machavity I mean, um... nothing to see here...
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Dang voting rings... always raining on my parade...
 
10:39 PM
Oops, wrong room methinks
 
jww
Thanks @kdopen. No problem on the room. But no, not really. I don't think anything useful will come of it. In the end we will likely disagree. And worse case is, we are pissed off at one another.
 
Not really. I'm curious. Always trying to refine my understanding of what makes a good question here on SO
Something about that question made you feel it didn't belong. I often resort to SO when I get stuck on Yocto stuff myself, and this is the type of thing whch (after hours of head scratching) would lead me here to ask
And I'm pretty hard to piss off :)
 
@kdopen Assuming general yocto questions are on-topic (a different discussion), that question lacks a MCVE. All it has are the errors.
 
Yep, agreed on the MCVE ... but for this type of problem you actually need thousands of lines to produce a true MCVE. It could be an interaction of two recipes out of a few hundred which are being built for that image
 
jww
@kdopen, ack. An information void is not really good, so here was my thinking... The question was just a Python backtrace. It lacked the necessary context to take the question as a programming and development question, like useful debug information.
 
Unfortunately, that backtrace is probably all he is getting. Bitbake is written in Python. they do a pretty good job of catching most exceptions and giving a better explanation: but sometimes it comes down to the backtrace.
especially during do_rootfs
 
jww
@kdopen - When I read the question, it reminded me of the countless pip install backtrace questions we get. They are really just package manager questions. In particular, I thought of Having trouble installing python-pip; is this on-topic? immediately.
@kdopen, The answer in Having trouble installing python-pip; is this on-topic? was articulated fairly thoroughly but there was still a lot of disagreement. That's why I declined to debate the Yocto question. In the end we will land at different places and probably never agree.
 
@jww I can understand that response. Richard gave a pretty good analysis of the root cause (building two kernels) from the logs ... but the starting point was the filename in the last line of the stack trace which mentioned an unexpected kernel version.
But OK, now I understand your logic. Just for future reference though, as I said above, with bitbake sometimes a stack trace is the actual error message :)
@jww Now, what the question needs is some further exploration of dependencies. Find out (as Richard said) why two kernels are being built. But that really needs to be done interactively.
@jww And I'm not really looking to reach any agreement, or even debate. Just to understand. Thanks for the itme.
 
jww
@kdopen - No problems. Sorry I was too terse earlier. I often just disengage rather than get into protracted debates that end in bickering.
 
This is interesting in the logs: `NOTE: Executing postinstall for package: kernel-4.14.24-stable+g6e4548ea58e6 ...
NOTE: Postinstall for package kernel-4.14.24-stable+g6e4548ea58e6 failed with 1:
Error: Kernel version 4.14.24-stable+g6e4548ea58e6 does not match kernel-abiversion (4.19.5-tx6s-ttc+gb32d16ec9956)`
 
jww
11:14 PM
@Machavity - I think you should get a badge for that tag. How many folks get personalized tags flaming them?
 
@jww I've been thinking about MCVE's for Yocto. I think a minimum set of information should be
Host OS and version. Yocto release in use. Can you reproduce the problem in a standard Poky build? Doing the latter, in my experience, often helps generate the real MCVE because you start with a known good build and then deliberately break it.
I think that, if the question was rephrased as "Why is yocto building two versions of the Kernel?", it has the potential to be a very useful question.
As it stands, if there is not more info forthcoming, then I tend to agree with a VTC for lacking an MCVE
 

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