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12:18 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/54013550/… - could easily be answered by posting a small script - should one? =} ... of course that would depend on the availability of inotifytools on their server.
 
 
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2:21 AM
@YvetteColomb Any chance you could delete the above msg from Smokey? ^
 
user3956566
@StephenKennedy done. We 're discussing it in the mod room. Thanks for the ping
 
@YvetteColomb ty
 
user3956566
yw
 
 
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4:50 AM
There are a few other items from that in the queue as well
 
 
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jww
6:06 AM
@kdopen - I made a new friend today: While loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.58: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. It is why I try to avoid engaging in discussions.
 
 
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8:01 AM
What possible rage does this user have to create new accounts all the time and spray pre-teen obscenities at the internet. does anyone know the actual question that got him /her originally banned? (in relation to stackoverflow.com/q/54018326/1782465)
 
8:15 AM
@TheGeneral No idea. I just encountered it on my watched tags and reported it here since every second it wasn't flagged into oblivion was one second too many.
 
8:49 AM
@YvetteColomb: apologies for giving you a headache to deal with on the main site. I shall happily take the comment advice in the deleted post! As usual I'm open to PMs if required.
\o all
 
Morning o/
 
9:09 AM
 
9:32 AM
 
9:58 AM
Guys, anyone here? We need trains! 🚂
 
🚂
 
10:17 AM
@NickA Maybe be he likes speaking of him at the third person? I'm not sure there are many 100k+ that have humility :/ (Jean-francois being one of the exceptions I know of)
 
@NickA meh
 
@MatthieuBrucher It seems to be in every case the library is mentioned, I've never understood the whole 3rd person thing, at uni for an employability course we were told that CVs should be written in 3rd person... That lecturer got a telling
 
@NickA Agreed. When I site my library, I don't say "Matthieu Brucher XYZ". Especially since I hope other people would contribute. Ego, what can you say...
 
@MatthieuBrucher Is citing your own library actually classed as self promotion on SO?
 
@NickA it is "self promotion" by definition, but with reasonable disclosure (and of course as long as the answer is actually on topic etc) that's fine
 
10:32 AM
What I mean is - When is "too much" re: "Don't talk about your product / website / book / job too much." in help centre.
 
@NickA I added a comment, I sort of agree with your edit
The self-promotion policy specifically requires you to be explicit that you are linking to a resource that you are the owner of. — tripleee 48 secs ago
 
@rene Can you delete my above message with link to the edited post, the following comments were meant in general rather than relating to a specific user, although may be seen as otherwise
 
@NickA I think it's a way of saying "don't spam every question about this topic with the same answer" while leaving some wiggle room
 
@tripleee Meh, fair enough, ta for the comment
 
10:40 AM
ta
 
 
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1:32 PM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver Good Moaning :)
 
Morning
 
or POB, or just wacky
 
@JonClements Good moaning Officer Crabtree
 
1:45 PM
@StephenKennedy 'allo 'allo :)
 
hallo everybody
 
Afternoon all :)
 
2:25 PM
I got some buff jerky!
It's like beef jerky but made of buffalo instead of beef.
 
@Compass sounds cool... but we all know that chic(ken) jerky is the most stylish :p
 
wow it's super tender
not as chewy as traditional jerky
 
@jww @jww Yep, their response was a bit terse. But actually, they had the same reaction I did initially, namely "which other site?" - they just phrased their response (very) badly and aggressively. Your comment text is not one of the default ones from VTC: perhaps you should reword it slightly, and give a custom reason why you think the specific question is off topic. Might cut down on the negative reactions.
 
looks like code needs some formatty
formatted.
 
3:07 PM
 
@Machavity Better than the Peanut description I've been mostly hearing
 
@Machavity I don't see a giant carrot as a nose though... that means we're safe, right? :)
 
Man I really hate sympathetic up voters. A completely wrong answer gets 2 up votes and a net gain in rep just because people feel sorry everyone is down voting it :(
11
 
^ And a near-identical duplicate of one posted by same OP yesterday too
Am I justified in rolling back revision 4? Adds no value to the question IMO
 
3:23 PM
@MichaelDodd Eh, I would argue neither title is ideal
You typically don't need the tagged language in the title
but you also shouldn't write it as fragmented as his suggestion
Looking at the question body, though, there is more revision work needed, grammatically
 
@NathanOliver I hate wrong answers as much as useless ones :)
 
@TylerH I object to the inclusion of "why" at the end, it's implcit. Just seems like a useless edit to me
@TylerH Grammar's a lot better than most of the edits I've worked on today
 
@MichaelDodd I agree; however, research has shown that questions with titles that use proper grammar to ask an actual question get more and better answers on SO (e.g. "Why isn't my library dependency working with another module?")
 
3:50 PM
@gnat Don't you think we should rather give OP an opportunity to salvage their question first?
I'm not sure we should allow combination cv-pls del-pls requests in one. It seems too unnecessarily punitive/presumptive
 
@TylerH Seconded. I'm ok with the cv-pls, but to request an instant delete is probably a bit much too
 
In cases where there's an open question that should be unambiguously deleted, it's probably flaggable for something instead
 
Though at -11 OP might get the hint anyway
Though could do with a couple more spam flags on that last SD report
 
4:03 PM
@TylerH it was at 4 CVs already when I posted. And I think we should give site visitors an opportunity to see questions that don't have vandalised title and text
 
@gnat I don't see vandalism, vandalism implies it was already there and it was edited to make it far worse
 
@T.J.Crowder Last activity 3 years ago
 
@NickA OED says "deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property" per my reading this fits to question title having deliberately misspelled word "problem" and especially question text that ends with "dfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd (just to let me )". If this is not a deliberate damage then I don't know what is
 
@gnat I would say it's not destruction, as it was there during creation, if you create a wall with a hole in it is that the same as punching a hole through a wall?
Just nitpicking regardless :P
 
@NickA But is it art?
 
4:19 PM
@gnat I agree with Nick, this is not vandalism but rather someone trying to get around quality filters. Regardless, we should be trying to help OP at least minimally, which means, if anything, not deleting the post in the same breath as trying to get it closed. Furthermore, if a post is at -11 and 4 CVs, there really is no need to post a here. This room is for stuff that is urgently needed or that won't likely be handled organically.
As far as what is vandalism, the simple rule of "was it edited into this state or just posted initially like this" should suffice. The former is and the latter is not
 
4:42 PM
I wish there were more questions on meta, they're fun :(
 
@gnat I agree with @TylerH on both points: A) Unless the question is causing harm, then the OP should be given the entirety of the "on-hold" time to salvage their question (OTOH, there are questions which obviously can't be salvaged (e.g. blatantly off-topic), where that time isn't a high priority). B) Requests really should be one message per request type. I'm not too strongly for (B), so I might be convinced that it's a good idea to have combos, but I'm not really seeing a good use-case.
 
jww
@kdopen, re: "which other site?". Two points about the vagueness. Everything I do has a reason. There is no randomness.
First, people argue over the suggested site. For example, if I suggested U&L someone else would favor SU. And someone else would argue IoT. And others would argue none are appropriate. Withholding the suggestion avoids the debates and arguments.
Second, taking people to the "All Sites" page teaches folks there are other sites available. They can learn for themselves some of the sites available to them. My hope is they will stop dumping all of their questions on Stack Overflow.
And a third, less important reason is, I got suspended for leaving messages and suggesting sites. I used to copy/paste messages from pastebin.com/K2HwuUyW . The site taught me it should not be done when they suspended me.
 
@T.J.Crowder Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 3 years, 1 month ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
 
Hey, should we report Plagiarism here or just mod flag them?
 
@Sami Mod-flag
Reason being plagiarism isn't really something we can deal with unless you want to add the citation for them and leave a comment, IMO just mod flag though
If it's internal plagiarism (one answer to another), then it either adds nothing or the question may well be a duplicate of the source of the plagiarised answer
 
5:08 PM
@Sami There's really nothing that a group of people can do about an instance of plagiarism that a single person can't do (i.e. mod-flag it). Reporting it here would implicitly invite people to check out the user's other posts for plagiarism. That's something that should only be done at the direction of a moderator. Thus, we don't want individual reports of plagiarism here. As @NickA has already said, just custom mod-flag it with a link to the source.
That doesn't mean you can't get help in some cases which are not focused on a user, or a specific post. For instance, if you find some source that's been plagiarized multiple times by multiple users and need help going through a search result looking for which results are actually plagiarized and/or finding the original source. I once had one source that returned about 60 results on SO. That one was a pain in the rear to go through, and to find the probable source of the code.
 
@jww And that's fine, but I guarantee you'll continue to get similar responses. People are looking for answers, to questions which are admittedly often badly phrased or even off topic for SO. If you suggest there is a better site (where they may actually get an answer), but don't give them any idea which one, you are inviting either a polite "which other site would you recommend?", or a rude one (as per your example), or somewhere in between.
 
IIRC, in that case, the probable original source was hidden in a presentation that wasn't indexed by Google, but happened to be referenced by one of the moderately-early copies elsewhere on the net.
 
@Makyen Thanks. It was recently used as the dupetarget for a similarly-offtopic question. Seeing an upvoted-but-offtopic question, it seemed reasonable to raise it (not as a habit, but as a considered thing :-) ). Is that something I shouldn't do? You're way more active here than I, so happy to take your lead.
 
@jww It's a tough line to draw, I know. Sometimes, I just VTC without giving a reason (or upvote a different comment), to avoid prompting a response or question I can't answer
 
@T.J.Crowder It being referenced in some way, like, in this case, being recently used as a new dup-target, is sufficient for it to be cv-plsed here. Something like that brings it to the attention of more people and it is good to have it closed quickly. In such cases, it's helpful to add in your request reason the activity that's not obvious from the question page.
While we don't, currently, systematically check the "active" time on questions, it is something that often gets noticed when it's quite a while ago. Having information about what the non-visible activity is in your request will let people know in advance and short-circuit anyone asking about why they are being directed to a old, inactive question.
 
jww
@kdopen, Yeah, its kind of a no win situation. The site has too many usability issues that Stack Exchange refuses to fix. Then, trying to be helpful leads to more trouble. I've found the best you can do is leave a comment and ignore the replies. Or don't leave a comment and allow the poster to suffer.
 
Is there anything else I can tell this guy about why that was a terrible Q? Q is deleted so need 10k privs
 
@jww I only choose to leave a comment when I can articulate precisely why I think it should be closed, and am ready to follow up. And if I can't articulate it (and no-one else has), then a VTC is perhaps not deserved. If it is one of the standard VTC reasons, then they eventually get a banner telling them why it was closed.
@jww Just sharing what I do, not implying you should change. But you are clearly not happy with the responses you get (if they are so frequent that you are wary/weary of engaging with the OP), so just trying to make suggestions.
 
jww
5:46 PM
@kdopen - I believe I articulate it well. I explain what Stack Overflow is for, and tell them the question should be asked on another site. Maybe I should state the question appears off-topic for Stack Overflow, but it should be self evident when the question does not meet the "programming and development" criteria. Boolean logic is kind of easy to do for comp sci guys...
 
@jww not all visitors are at the level of comp sci, like it or not. Don't assume you know what they should be capable of ...
 
6:01 PM
@Makyen upon further thinking I agree that my request shouldn't have cv-pls because it was superfluous and misleading. Other than that I believe that this is the case when fast deletion is justified, to relieve SO audience of seeing content deliberately damaged by author ("sdfsdfsdfsdfsd (just to let me )"): easily accessible on top of tag page even for unregistered visitors. If OP wants to improve they can re-ask without abusing the title and text
 
@jww Well let's look at your comment: "Stack Overflow is a site for programming and development questions. You should use another site on the Stack Exchange network for this question"
 
jww
@kdopen, Yes. Two factual statements.
Or factual when the question is off-topic and on-topic at another site.
 
The first sentence is fact, but implies the question is NOT about programming or development. Both times I've seen this comment, the question was actually about P&D - hence the potential for confusion. The second sentence is opinion and, as I said, automatically prompts the user to ask "which site?"
(And yes, I'm deliberately playing devil's advocate here)
 
jww
@kdopen, Thanks. I think I'm ready to disengage now. /EOM
 
6:16 PM
@Machavity just mention why too broad/resource request questions are not good fits for the site, I suppose
 
@rene In fact it's probably more accurate to expect someone does not have a background or education in computer science...
 
I for one have never done any formal comp sci. training
 
But you went through puppy training, right?
 
I think the answer to that is 'woof'
 
6:22 PM
Is that where you learn to chew things? If so - yes... I got top marks!
I think the hoomans appreciated my skills as well... I'd chew the furniture up and then they'd replace it for me to chew something new...
 
@JonClements You were the tallest dog chewing that cabinet?
 
@JonClements Me neither, always struggling with database to this day.
 
I hate using command line
When you say "curl" I just nod and stare <_<
I know the basic commands for git but having the GUI really lets me fly through everything.
 
@Compass and this is why most people don't use Unix/Linux
 
If you give me a GUI I can use Linux :)
otherwise I will need a cheatsheet
and don't make me edit text in CL because it will break
 
6:37 PM
@Compass think how people felt lots of years ago...
 
back in the days when the mouse wasn
't invented
oof
 
@Compass git push stuff over there
I might have an error in there somewhere
 
@Compass what did you chase before then? :)
 
6:56 PM
@Compass that was quite some time ago
 
oof
 
the mouse is older than Linus Torvalds, even
 
@TylerH I thought he used a track pad with only his middle digit
 
@Compass is your "meow" broken? It keeps coming out sounding like "oof" :)
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is this question really too broad stackoverflow.com/q/54018409/8620333 ? I know we are not allowed to make requests on questions where we are involved but I am really suprised about this closure. Am I missing something?
 
@TemaniAfif It's not Too Broad, in my opinion
note the first two close voters have not even a silver badge's worth of CSS score between them, and the other three have no CSS score (at least not worth mentioning on the first page). It is likely they are just unfamiliar with the technology and thus the depth of the question
Granted this is an SVG question, but I thought I'd be charitable and use CSS as a metric since they have even less SVG score/exposure on the site between them all
Though to be fair, the closure reason doesn't give as much information as it used to; some of the CVers could have voted for wildly different reasons
I'm not a fan of the fact that question has Sass in it instead of CSS, when it's not asking about how to do the thing in Sass.
 
@TylerH I think if we have different reasons, we should see some names under the reason specified on the banner meaning that the other casted a vote with a different reason. So I guess all of them voted "too broad" here (I am probably wrong)
 
@TemaniAfif We used to see the names of the people who voted for the majority reason
We don't anymore, and everyone gets assigned to whatever the majority reason is
I think this is a major regression, personally. If you go back far enough, you'll see some questions that were closed where it even split out and showed all the reasons a Q was closed, and who voted for each reason
As it is now, you could have 4 different close vote reasons used here by the first 4 people, and if the 5th person picks one of those 4, the it gets closed as that, and all 5 close voters then have to live with that reason next to their names
 
I think they should show all the reason and the users for each reason.
 
9:49 PM
Yep ^
 
Soon: a question closed with 5 different reasons.
 
10:10 PM
@TylerH You're also a guru ;)
 
10:26 PM
@NathanOliver indeed!
 
\o Hiya all
 
(I had closed as duplicate, then figured out that OP example worked, but OP thanks me in comments for fixing the issue... what a mess)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre The proposed duplicate looks interesting for that one. I wouldn't call it a typo if there's a reproducible knowledge gap here.
 
10:44 PM
yikes diy.stackexchange.com/questions/154018/… guy connects his ground wire to a hot circuit, likely blows the circuit completely
 
I lol'd at the banner - "home improvement" :)
 
Answer: "put the wire on your tongue and retry"
 

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