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@YvetteColomb ping
(only 2 words and already violating the room rules :)
pinging only by Yvette request on meta.
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre hits snooze lol
 
thanks for your meta answer. What I meant is that maybe the "answer" banner text could be changed to "This section is for answers to the question. Please avoid "Me too", or "Thanks", this isn't an area for discussion" (a bit like the "protected question" message which explains why the question is protected)
(maybe then the protected status would make less sense if all questions were "protected" by this explicit text, only shown to newcomers)
 
We need an Answer a Question wizard ...
 
@rene something like that yes!! with possible real-time "me too" or "you don't know zit about php" detection
 
Go post an FR on meta ...
 
8:20 AM
Or ... we need a wizard to help us with this issue.
I wasn't too lucky with FR on meta. Apart from bringing me 347 downvotes, it didn't do anything useful.
 
I've pinged a wizard. Let's see if that brings any solution
 
What if ... people could only answer questions if they had at least 1000 rep? Oh, wait ...
@rene let's see how it goes
I may post a feature request at some point. Just not now as I have a "hot" question active already. You don't want to bore people to death.
 
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre in my comment I'm trying to express the most singularly frustrating aspect of this whole welcoming thing. Trying to improve a new user experience != making old users miserable. The site is trying to improve the experience for everyone and dispose of trolls quickly.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre "Protection" exists largely to prevent answers from people who actively don't care that what they are posting isn't something that should be in an answer. Those that do care and are just confused (i.e. those that might be dissuaded from posting by such a banner) are a relatively small portion of those affected by protection. That's not to say that such a banner wouldn't be helpful, just that it wouldn't replace protection, in most cases.
 
user3956566
the worrying thing people are overlooking is the new user base that replenishes the site and forms our core user base is declining. The site will actually close down if we do not make genuine new users more welcome. It's in everyone's interest to do so (if we want the site to continue).
 
8:28 AM
The youngsters from the neighbors had a party last night. Now I see their mom and dad cleaning up the mess. What is this new welcoming trend in parenting?
 
user3956566
Currently there are two types of problem users. The ones who are not active on meta, but put newcomers off with their behaviour (not new). The new comers who put no effort into contributing and become abusive when asked to improve. Both of these need to be dealt with. Our core users who are also active on meta need to realise that many of these UX changes are for the 1000s of people who do not read meta or come into chat
 
The main positive point is: someone tried to do something. It's not perfect, but at least we can discuss how to improve it.
 
8:45 AM
aaah back to work :)
 
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9:11 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre agree
 
11:13 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre FYI meta.stackexchange.com/questions/285889/… BR have posted a similar request
 
 
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1:35 PM
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2:20 PM
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter It's gone now :)
 
2:34 PM
Has anyone else used User Voice with vendors before?
I was thinking I need a voting mob and some sock puppets to support my feature request. Would. I get suspended for voting fraud if I did?
 
2:50 PM
@EJoshuaS Puppet voting gets your socks destroyed summarily at the very least. Suspensions usually only follow after a written warning.
Doesn't mean mods won't take my warning against you
 
@EJoshuaS Yeah since we know your plan now :3
 
3:10 PM
Please see comments for more
 
Thx, I managed in time ;)
 
Me too ;-)
 
4:00 PM
Hi @Olaf
@toohonestforthissite It's a bit like talking with @TAFKAP ya know :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ TAFKAO, if you don't mind ;-)
 
I had a short FB chat with @ron a few hours ago. He said he'll go automotive branch with full c++17 standards. @too
The last one might also go for a good acronym. The ole owl ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I wish him good luck. That field is very conservatively and often still requires C. Plus they use MISRA which does not support the modern standards. And finally, they are very picky if your grnadparents didn't already work in that job.
 
4:17 PM
@toohonestforthissite Yeah, MISRA is a big thing for automotive, aeronautics and such. Some embedded compiler manufacturers leave you with ~500 pages books to explain their MISRA compliance for everything your MISRA rule failures detected by the static analysis tool. :D
I dunno is it medical device producers swore on MISRA as well? I hope not :3
I remember rugged military also swore about it :D ;D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Interestingly gcc with all warnings enabled is almost at the same level and even reports some more potential problems. Plus some of its extensions (which are disalloed by MISRA of course) make the code even safer. But, hey, I don't argue with those "true believers". Apparently the software in cars works perfectly due to MISRA. That's why my car's audio system fails completely if I turn it off for some time with rear gear and rear cam on … :-(
@πάνταῥεῖ My last project did - until I could make clear to them it's nonsense and certain extensions are way better by avoiding permanent void * and casts.
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't work for killers.
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Is there a burn or blacklist request for version specific angular tags? Particularly angular 6?
 
@toohonestforthissite Me neither. I managed to refuse from any project which was even remotely connected with mil.
 
4:35 PM
No military work here either, to the consternation of some recruiters!
 
@halfer Yeah, I know what you mean. But some of them seemed relieved and told me I was not the only one. That's a positive signal, but there are still too many engs prost***ng.
 
@toohonestforthissite The trade you mention is greatly more moral in comparison, I wonder. I once had a recruiter that put me forward for a "logistics" role, and it was only when I was in a telephone interview I found I'd be designing a system to transport materiel - presumably which would include weapons. I excused myself fairly quickly, and the chaps were very nice about it.
 
Much of technological and scientific innovation starts from thinking how to make the better weapons. But that doesn't mean it has to be my personal starting point to think about use cases.
 
@halfer Yeah, some are very late at unveiling the context. That's why I ask straight ahead in advance if it's a murderer or spy support project and politely end the talk if they are or if the recruiter starts talking around the hot mash.
 
I am somewhat sympathetic to folks for whom ethically compromised work is the only way they can put food on their family's table, and am grateful to my lucky stars I have enough choice to be able to turn work down.
 
4:43 PM
^^ Agreed
 
@πάνταῥεῖ TGhe reason is simple: because this industry gets most public money to burn and they can affort to fail after a looong, long "research" phase.
 
Here in the UK, the unions tend to be (inadvertently) pro-military and pro-military industrial complex, on the basis that these things create non-conflict jobs. It's something of a paradox for folks whose politics might lead them to be suspicious of war as a device to generate profits.
 
@BSMP let me check, hold on
 
@rene Pls tell shadow, that it's unfair behavior to talk about someone in chat who's currently suspended there :3
 
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4:47 PM
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@halfer wrong arm raised :P
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I do that on purpose, just to annoy you ;)
 
@halfer Most of the folks I met working in that area permanently are not really the brightest stars on heaven. And those working temporarily (freelancers) were ver specialised without a wide view. And they just didn't think about it. One or two told me it#s easy money and they don't put much effort into quality. That's even more scary with future AI killer stuff.
 
4:49 PM
@halfer Interestingly the public here was/is quite pacifistic. But nevertheless we are one of the largest weapon's exporters. It's kinda schizzo.
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm not sure raising the right arm is better : ;-\
 
@toohonestforthissite I have spoken to a few folks in that area, and one or two of them talk about conflict in a very abstract sense, as if it does not kill civilians. A couple of them are really into weapons in a "toys" sort of way, like making a bigger one is a form of entertainment. I suspect being on the "team" of a superpower makes them complacent, and if they were living in a country upon which they might be used, they would have a different perspective.
 
@BSMP there isn't one in the burnination worksheet AFAICT so I think the answer is no. There are however various brawls on Meta about angular and their tag usage ...
 
Rheinmetall, Heckler & Koch or delivering manufactures, you really can have some highly doted "dream jobs" in mil. industry. Including that the problems to solve are quite interesting from a scientific view. But no way, I don't work for killers ...
 
@halfer Oh, I do enjoy playing shooters, RPGs, etc. where I have to deal with weapons. I also like the Marvel films (watching Iron Man 2 right now). but I very well can differentiate. Technocrats and engineers just "doing the job" are a truely red rag to me. It was excusable when I was young, but not now. The same for all those spyware stuff, btw.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Here in the UK, I notice that some student/university jobs fairs host teams offering "opportunities" to work in military tech jobs. It's pretty sad, because students don't have a lot of negotiating power to start from, and thus any internship or junior role is to be coveted.
 
4:53 PM
Or I'm not that good at searching ...
 
@halfer Hmm, well. They may just learn that ...
 
In that regard I find the initiative of google employees about not working for military projects quite dishonest/two faced. Sadly that's no surprise for me.
 
No evil, LOL
 
@toohonestforthissite What was two-faced about it? I thought it was quite a brave stance. Would it be better if they quit, on the basis that Google is probably inextricably entwined in the MIC?
 
@halfer The Bundeswehr had a great presentation at the GamesCon. Something like "Do the real game" (not literally). Just disgusting; even more as I pay for this with my tax money.
@πάνταῥεῖ But Mini-Me.
 
4:59 PM
I remember that Simpsons episode :-D
 
@halfer Did you follow the recent news about Android spying even if location services are off? And the many other ways they track people down? Where do you think the data goes and what it's used for; if not instantly, at least by a secret gouvernmental order.
@halfer: MIC?
 
@rene OK, thank you for checking
 
@BSMP I search badly, there are a few angular tasks in the worksheet but none for angular 6
 
Is this a request for an off-site resource? stackoverflow.com/q/34275371/5468463
At the same time, what do you think of the answer, specially in the light of the comment?
 
@Vega no, it is a bit broad maybe.
@Vega an answer can suggest a library if the OP didn't rule it out.
That doesn't make the question an resource request
 
Super, thank you @rene!
 
5:25 PM
@Vega I didn't even know a bit can be split into smaller units. Never heard of milli bits. No wonder it takes so long, must be some quantum simulation.
@Vega The answer is not spam, but qualifies as NAA, because it just provides a link, no explanation, no code.
 
@PearlySpencer instead of leaving a comment for a user that keeps promoting their own library, you better raise a mod flag. The comment itself is as tad direct. You might weant to link to the help center that has an article about self-promotion if you plan to keep using the comment. That makes the comment a bit more actionable by the OP.
 
@rene Are such answers mod-flaggable? They disclose the affiliation and are not exactly unrelated to the questions. I thought they are just NAA because they only present a link, no more information.
 
@toohonestforthissite if there are multiple similar answers, it sure is. I primarily react to a comment that says stop spamming
 
@rene Good to know, I agree NAA would not be enough for that many answers
 
Not that we can do act upon the pattern - that would be targeting users.
 
5:34 PM
If it is just a single answer I agree NAA or delv-pls in this room might be a better option
@JohnDvorak that is exactly why it should be mod flagged. They can target users ...
 
@JohnDvorak Nah, we never would dare to target users … poor puppies. Just cuddle them …
 
Not that meta would mind if we did delete the offending answers...
 
Point them into the puddle they left with their nose if necessary ...
 
Room meeting subject: certain user-centric actions should be allowed.
 
@toohonestforthissite MIC = military-industrial complex
 
5:38 PM
@JohnDvorak I assumed we banned them for good.
 
@halfer The MI5, Missus M?
Cool :P
 
@toohonestforthissite No, I did not see that news story. Was that a deliberate feature?
 
Nope, we only acknowledged their place
 
@JohnDvorak I always have an association with a cage of hungry wolves about meta. No idea why, it's all sunshine and raw, dripping meat there.
 
It makes sense to allow posting multiple self-dup requests per user...
 
5:40 PM
@halfer That is a bit outdated, isn't it? Today we have the SecurityIC, or maybe SMIC.
 
@toohonestforthissite Different heads, same hydra :-)
 
and posting a dupe-request + a cv-request for the dupe was always allowed
 
I prefer Smacks anyway. Much easier to digest. and not with a bitter aftertaste.
@halfer For google&co every way to monitor users is a necessary feature and added deliberately. That#s exactly the problerm with the mindset we discussed earlier.
 
OK we'll never be evil and we'll never go after OPs. We're just collecting data and patterns :3
 
g2g hunting/gathering
 
5:45 PM
In fact mine has changed by 180° since my youth in that regard. Plus it's much more interesting (and challenging) to design systems with max. privacy and freedom than the opposite. I mean, every dumbo can design a location service with a central database.
 
@toohonestforthissite I'd have to read into the story to respond properly, but I tend to think that the people inside corporations are not always willing to go along with surveillance implementation, especially in Apple/Google etc where at least some of the engineers will be pro-privacy. So while I think it is good if we have pro-privacy hackers keeping corps honest, some leaks/bugs are not always installed by request of the security services.
Here in the UK we have a colourful phrase: "cock-ups are more common than conspiracies".
(For international readers, "cock-up" is a mess-up, accident, etc).
 
@halfer In ireland they have a saying: "Mad dogs and englishmen". I mostly agree with this ;)
Maddocks 'n englshmen for intl. readers.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Heh, we have that here as well: "Mad dogs and Englishmen, go out in the midday sun". I am not sure what it means though (other than perhaps the English have not historically been universally liked!).
 
@halfer Maybe, but they still do as being told. If they were really consequently, they would refuse - or, better - provide an alternative. But that would defy the company's buiseness model. google because that's their direct business model, Applebecause their model is based on locked-in mechanics. (oh, and that#s not the only case, just the latest)
 
@halfer Well your people always had been going with some weird ideas.
 
5:50 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ We don't have to do as much international apologising as the Americans, but still a fair bit.
 
But the military background of driving at the left side of the road, makes quite sense for right handed people ;)
@halfer The'll have to kiss our feckin' asses if Donald is due ...
 
@halfer The GCHQ is crowing silently a lot … Not that other services are any better.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ When GWB visited Australia, he got a "21 bum salute" - synchronised mooning. That would be appropriate for their latest ambassador. Still, a baby blimp is also pretty good!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ if there is something left to kiss.
 
@toohonestforthissite No I don't want him to grab it :P
 
5:57 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Just tell me in time, so I can have a good chilli before :->
 
I am still not fully convinced that the Brexit will really happen. The Brits and the rest of the nations will somehow find a special way. You always were our "special childs", and we know how to flabbergasting your bellies :-P.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ there is a subsection of English nationalist opinion that believes anything other than a "hard Brexit" will be a defiance of the "will of the people". And those true believers will drive the UK off an economic cliff just to get their way.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Otoh, Switzerland is also not part of the EU and nevertheless it works quite well with transnational treaties
 
Well in england and ireland you tend to crash the car at the right side :3 (when getting offroad)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ A good bad driver can crash a car on any side. And a good dev can crush on any site.
 
6:03 PM
OK, and the left side is full off scratches if you try to yield way best as a nice tourist.
@toohonestforthissite Switzerland is quite expensive. But they make you feel like living in a weird dream.
 
user8682794
@rene i did raise a flag. self-promotion is spam and i flagged it as such.But moderators have no way of knowing how many times the user has done this and i had flags declined even if the post was subsequently removed.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Not sure about the rest of the UK, but I found London to be not really cheap either.
 
@halfer Well look at Boris Johnson and think #MGBGA. hmmmmpf :) :)
 
@PearlySpencer Did you mention the other posts in the PM? That should help.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Johnson is a show-off and an opportunist, and is pretty much just after power. He exemplifies what is wrong with the class system.
 
6:10 PM
@PearlySpencer if you tell the mod they will check the users profile and their deleted posts.
 
@toohonestforthissite Ireland won't be cheap for me either. I anyway could think of the option to buy a cheap house there and rent rooms for tourists or so.
 
user8682794
@rene the user must be aware in my opinion that his/her actions are not acceptable practice hence the comment
 
@halfer Poor Theresa. IMO she does her best to prevent the civil war :P
 
user8682794
@rene but yes will link to the help center in the future
 
we're all good then.
 
6:14 PM
@SmokeDetector looks like SU, but am unsure
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It should have remained an internal Conservative Party squabble, rather than being unleashed on a largely ill-informed and easily propagandised citizenry. I'm in favour of referenda, for what it's worth, but our "free press" is in such a poor state, it's not a wonder we're so easily led up the garden path.
 
@rene What do you think about orange crush?
 
R.E.M.?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Sure you're not meaning "Angela"? I start thining we have a similar problem, maybe just for different reasons.
 
@halfer I've got some british people contacts quite active at FB, and I am talking with a number of people regarding these topics and what means being an EU citizen and how you feel with it.
@toohonestforthissite Both of them most probably. Poor Francoise might be added :P
 
6:18 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ In general, the referendum was "what do you think about the EU?", and the option on the ballot sheet that was missing was "well, it is complicated". Like every large institution, there are good things and bad things.
 
@halfer The reason is simple: mankind is at the edge and more and more people in the western world notice this. So they try to get back to the "good ol' times" with a little house, a small garden with fence, etc. where everything was so clear. - Or so they think it was. They don't notice it was never that easy and clear, they just didn't have the information they have now - whether they want it or not. Plus certain actions of mankind now become more and more visible like climate change.
 
@halfer Yeah, they're asking silly questions all people here also all the time. I believe its some EU legal standard you have to allow that being a member ;)
 
Politics action is to do "same business as usual" and distract from the actual problems. So back to small, comfy nationalism. Stupid if you ask me. But considering most people are far from being "bright", understandable.
I somewhat like the idea ot leave this planet. But then I don't think it will change a lot, but the new planet will be a privacy nightmare from the start. First because of necessity, later out of custom.
 
@toohonestforthissite Yeah, just doing the routine and get straight away with it is great for government and justice. Not that this always fits well for individual cases ...
@toohonestforthissite Take care not to attend the telephone cleaners spaceship then :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ We both know the methods of a base-class are almost never sutable for specific cases ;-)
 
6:25 PM
An interface variant might work well ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, I like a good and long bath from time to time. I wonder what that tells about myself.
 
@toohonestforthissite Just take a look at the color of the water when you're leaving it :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Meh, it's autumn soon; time to collect leaves.
 
Kastanienzeit, yup.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ No, to become rich. All went wrong since I don't wear a digital watch anymore.
 
6:29 PM
I never wore any watch since i was twelve or so. I had the sun ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, it wasn't me starting a citation battle :-þ
Maybe I should sent Donald a Casio watch.
 
Yeah, that sounds like premium jail entertainment ;)
 
6:42 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think that queen report is a dupe of what you closed it as. OP seems to use a single platform only and is not aftr portability between archs.
 
@toohonestforthissite I am not so sure, but making the OP aware that it might fail on using different metal, and it might work if you're using plain steel only should be enough to answer that (broad) question. Do you think I abused my mjölnir again?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I think it's imprecise, the question is topo broad imo. But I generally tend to not re-open a question which is close-worthy neverthess and shows no effort. I left a comment, we should leaqve it as-is imo.
 
Yeah, your comment is nice and helpful for the OP.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ As always, as always :^)
 
6:55 PM
@toohonestforthissite Thank you for the advice!
 
@NathanOliver @Mach Well, as a janitor foremost you'll need to express your dignity with this mop (see here)
 
I was wondering if I could flag NAA 9 similar to same answers from a user (link only answer to his github) or it would be considered that I go too far "exploring" the user's profile
 
@Vega See the other comments after mine, they should clarify it.
 
@Vega single modflag ought to do it
 
@toohonestforthissite Oops, indeed, thank you :)
@Adriaan Thank you!
 
7:14 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ see the comment on the answer
 
@Adriaan Hmm well, missing [MCVE] then :P
 
7:31 PM
Is this the right place to discuss re-opening of questions?
 
@rkta Yes
 
@rkta Do you have a particular question to discuss, or do you want to know more about the general protocol?
 
https://stackoverflow.com/q/51996887/8699120
This question was closed as offtopic. First code was provided with a screenshot and it was not clear what the error was - see first version of the only answer. The OP edited the question and the answer was also edited after I commented the author. IHMO it is now a valid question, which is valuable to SO. A quick web search for the error message didn't give a good result. It's a pretty basic newcomer problem, but I think it is still valid and may help others. The title needs improvement though.
 
@rkta belongs on TeX - LaTeX, however good it may be, it should've been posted there.
 
@rkta Let that apart, it still lacks information, i.e. if not for "no repro/typo" it should be closed as "no mcve".
 
7:42 PM
@toohonestforthissite It has a MCVE.
 
@rkta then by all means, flag for it to be moved to tex.SE
 
I can't
 
@rkta See the exact close reason. A [mcve] is not enough for debugging requests. The term is used for the whole close reason, not just the code part.
 
@rkta how do you mean you can't? Of course you can, you need just 15 rep to flag. Simply use the "in need of moderator intervention" which is customarily called "custom flag"
 
@toohonestforthissite I disagree, for anyone familiar with Latex it is absolute clear what the problem is. The only answer, which is absolutely correct, shows, that it is possible to answer this question.
@Adriaan I did think to flag for a mod is to escalating it too far. There are still some Latex questions on SO. Is it absolutely OT here?
 
7:49 PM
@rkta see my comment on the question for the cases where TeX questions are on-topic here.
 
Night all o/
 
@rkta I know what the problem is, but there is no error message, just no output and OP does not state what he expects. Both are required information for a debugging help request. It's a typical youtube "tutorial" learner question: got some code from the internet and then asking others to explain the basics. There are quite some good books about (La)TeX.
 
@halfer Good night, and nice comment ;)
btw, he is a member for 8 years and 9 months too, which I can't belive it
 
@halfer nighty!
 
@too No I'll not go deeper with that unfortunate pun :3
 
7:54 PM
@rkta Remember questions and answers have to be useful for future readers. The asker getting his problem solved is just a side-effect.
 
The error is in the Q: No pages of output.
One may argue if it is a good question, I for myself was sometimes glad to find answers explaining me the basics on SO.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Believe it or not, no pun intended.
 
@Adriaan I didn't know, that this prompt is shown when asking Latex questions. Thanks for your comment.
 
@rkta "no pages of output" is not an error message, but a simple statistical information. If you run a game of life in LaTeX (which is possible and exists), you also wouldn't expect a printable output.
 
7:58 PM
@too Well I know that as innocent as here, or what you'd answer your wife if she's calling you for bedtime ;-)
 
@rkta for neigh on two years there has been by now
 
@toohonestforthissite While you are correct, for a newbie to Latex this is an error.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, I certainly wouldn't tell here.
 
@toohonestforthissite Obligatory: xkcd.com/386
 
@rkta As I wrote, a newbie should learn the basics from a good tutorial/book, not some obscure YT video. And it wasn't an error for us(!), when I(!) was a newbie, how would that be different 25 years later?
 
8:01 PM
The pun rate even raises :3
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yeah, rapidly hitting the pun-ch line - outch!
 
Did I say something?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Nah, never ever. As we all know, you never say anything :-P
Oh, heck, maybe the MCU movie rerun starts showing side-effects.
 
Well, if you have nothing nice to say ...
 
8:08 PM
@toohonestforthissite Yeah, but newbies don't know. I don't want to argue here, I just felt to asked what others think on this. She had a problem, responded to edit the question after been asked to include the error message and I think - with the last welcoming discussion in mind - it was wrong to close this question. But as Adriaan showed there is a hint to not post this Q here, so never mind. Problem solved for me.
 
@FireAlarm is that optopic? Sounds like General Computing?
 
@rkta Ignorantia legis non excusat!
 
@toohonestforthissite In dubio pro reo! ;)
 
@Adriaan I'm not sure. I cved as TB.
@rkta Non sequitur.
 
8:18 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ wins the fight. :)
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/52008067/mysql-search-by-id-or-name - typo question with accepted answer (missing quote around string)
 
@rkta I hope you noticed it even rhymes ;-). No we don't have a "fight" just forbidden fun :-D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ s/fight/conloquium/
My latin knowledge is leaving me... :)
 
@rkta I believe I got that from "Latin for posers" :3
 
Well, I got to learned it in school, though it was not my strong side. :D
 
8:29 PM
Neither mine, but the book is worth it ;)
 
I posted a question in meta, and if anyone has an answer, please help
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I believe we have a Q&A at meta about an OP writing multiple answers. But what you're showing is an extrme example.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Unfortunately google doesn't know about "Latin for posers"
 
In fact I only know the german book title, which is "Latein für Angeber".
 
The OP who wrote the question was upset that he lost reputation and could not up-vote all of the other poster's answers.
 
8:34 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ This helps. Thanks. Danke.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Nah, thanks, I don't use it for posing. I just grew up with certain latin phrases like the above. They are more natural to me than their native translations.
 
8:46 PM
@too But generally using latin boosts your seriosity at double rates. OK, I am used to correct colleagues about using the plural of status wrong all the time, but that book has some real bummers like the cited one ;)
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Sock-puppet?
 
@toohonestforthissite: possibly, but I don't see the multiple tied Questions-answers like for the typical (foolishly done) sock-puppet
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Me, if I don't understand a latin phrase I ask. That's most often enough to tell the posers from the knowers already. (assuming they can't google behind my back, of course).
 
I've also tried to avoid meta effect, but anyone knowledgeable as to how the site works, and how comments are trackable will easily find the original question
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels A new puppet a day keeps the mod away.
 
8:49 PM
Indeed
 
So they even manage to survive longer than 24 hours actually?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ At full moon they grow fangs.
 
@toohonestforthissite Or lollipos and crush badly :-D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Typo intended?
 
Of course :3
Both
:-D
OK it should have been lollipose
 
9:31 PM
@Mach There's a coffee puddle in the western floor ;-)
 
 
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10:55 PM
did I use the correct cv-pls reason? "too broad" or is it better a MCVE or just unclear?, what's the best?
 
@Vickel Any of those is fine.
 
I'm missing the "gimmy the codez", which so often would be the simplest close reason
 
@Vickel Yeah, maybe that's too clear and obvious, hence "unwelcoming".
 
@toohonestforthissite sure, but if the OP misses his part of the deal, I think it's not unwelcoming to let them know they missed the point
anyway, lot of discussion going on on this subject
 
@Vickel Nah, askers can't be unwelcoming or unfriendly by definition. Because they generate hits.
 
11:05 PM
@toohonestforthissite you are too honest for this site :)
@toohonestforthissite I read a lot of Meta posts and arguments of how "unwelcoming" would affect the site, but I remember 5 years ago I literally "shit my pants" asking/answering the 1st questions here. And that was not of feeling unwelcome, but of not knowing if my knowledge was good enough to answer/question here...
so I had a lot of respect for the site
 
Would any mods be able to open stackoverflow.com/questions/801209/char-vs-stdstring-in-c, or explain why it is non-constructive -- I think the original thinking is that C++ string vs char * might just be opinion based, but there are meaningful technical differences that are explained in the most upvoted anser
 
11:20 PM
@GregSchmit You should ping the respective users who closed this. But as it's pretty old, don't expect an answer. Note: there is no reason "not constructive" since quite some time. These days it might possibly be closed as "too broad" or "unclear". On a sidenote: the question was not closed by a mod and this room is not to ping mods.
@Vickel Meh, I've lost that few months after I frequented it regularily. It's the same as with every authority: once you get into contact you see they also consist mostly of water.
 
@toohonestforthissite but you are still around and try to improve the site. And I think, as long as people come searching here and find great answers to their questions (and upvote on them), the site itself will not, as Yvette C. said, "close down for not having a proper new users/asking questions base". Maybe it's all marketing and needs to be reconsidered?
 
@Vickel Well, I mostly only vote. I try not to comment at all to improve and help users. Most don't just want hints to do research ontheir own, but simple answers to their questions which are more or less correct as long they (seeem to) work. Complex thoughts? No way! And if you tell people straight ahead what#s wrong with their way of thinking, you get flagged as "unfriendly". Nah, I mostly come here to chat a bit and leave a vote now and then hoping to filter the worst BS.
 
11:40 PM
@toohonestforthissite nice talking to you and I agree, most first time users try to find a way to learn programming in finding some working piece of code or the famous "plugin" to make their ideas work. Why? Maybe because the self teaching part is so attractive? "Take this online lessons and you'll make millions in 2 years"
 
@Vickel Well, I'm fully autodidactic, but I never had someone spoon-feeding me. Instead me and 1 or 2 friends found out ourselves. And tht time, there was nothing like internet, less web. But then, we learned the basics first and didn't try to fly before we could crouch.
 
Me too, self taught, but at that time we had a programmer's club that met once a week at a local restaurant.... ah the good old days and Turbo Pascal.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yeah, it flows :P
 
@toohonestforthissite "I learned it from a book" JOSE, the waiter in Faulty Towers
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Self-build computers and a bit latter Apple ][, all with machine code and Assembler here. VIC64, Amstrad CPC and ST/Amiga later.
 
11:48 PM
@toohonestforthissite: damn
You're a real old-timer!
Any 8088 asm?
Or all Apple stuff?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels And I still like it. That's why I prefere bare-metal embedded. Nevertheless, I walk between worlds, as I tend to use as high abstraction as possible and reasonable. Most folks are surprised how abstract one can work in C with gcc extensions and auto-generated code by a Python build framework. Problem is most engs are stuck with MISRA nonsense.
@HovercraftFullOfEels I was lucky to avoid that minefield. Apple only the ][, i.e. 6502 (and on a self-developed and build computer system). The closest to 8088 was the Z80 for which I wrote one one commercial game and helped with another. I loved the 68000 in the Atari ST, though. Still my prefered CPU arch, although ARM is also not that bad (well, the syntax is a bit worse).
I still have some labyrinth generator in Assembler for the ST which was working very good, but I can't figure out how it worked anymore (that's when I learned documentation is important).
 
LOL
Me I learned that little knowledge is dangerous when I wrote over the FAT of my boss's secretary's computer
 
Well, I could sned the time, but I don#t consider it that important.
 

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