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12:00 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Maybe I was lucky I started with computers which didn't have mass storage. My first programs I wrote in machine code, i.e. I entered bytes via bit-switches into RAM cells addressed binary. By that I could verify my own hardware was working. But I never wrote anything large that way, because the RAM flipped bits randomly when I moved it from the programmer to the computer board.
 
 
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1:07 AM
Does a SmokeDetector "Manually reported answer" need a feedback reply, or is the fact that it was manually reported mean it's already considered a "tp"?
 
1:41 AM
@FireAlarm privileges
 
@JimGarrison You do not have any privileges.
 
2:08 AM
@JimGarrison Yes, manually reported SD posts need feedback, just like any other report. The only difference is that the person who manually reported it is discouraged from providing feedback.
@dasblinkenlight For tags it's [tag:cv-pls]. Please edit.
 
Oops, I'm posting here so infrequently that I actually forgot how tags are formatted. Thanks!
 
np. It happens from time to time. I'm glad you were able to edit. Given that it was rapidly closed it wasn't too important, but t does help.
 
@Makyen 24 minutes is an eternity for a question this bad. On a business day such question wouldn't have lasted a minute and a half :-) Thank you!
 
Yeah, I meant fro when you posted the cv-pls in here. :-)
 
2:20 AM
@dasblinkenlight Another time, please don't use dv-pls, because some people who are not regulars in the room may misinterpret it as "downvote-please" instead of "delete-vote-please". Any of del-pls, delv-pls and delete-pls are normally used.
 
@dasblinkenlight I went ahead and binned it, since it was closed and will Roomba
 
4k helpful flags \o/
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nice!
 
@Makyen Got it, thanks for your help!
 
@dasblinkenlight Anytime. I'm happy to help.
 
3:17 AM
@GregSchmit Just FYI: When you say "mods", most people assume you mean the elected moderators (who handle flags you raise). The people in here are just users with a bit more reputation points which gives them some moderation abilities (e.g. voting to close/reopen questions). As has been mentioned, chat is not a good way to contact the elected moderators. You should use flags for that. However, for the issue that you brought up, user-moderators are appropriate (e.g. this room).
As to the question you're asking about, I don't personally have the subject matter expertise to judge that particular question. As has been mentioned, the "not constructive" close reason was retired quite a while ago, but other existing reasons cover similar issues. For that question, I'd be concerned that it might be "primarily opinion based", or "too broad". The plethora of answers tend to imply that there's a considerable amount of opinion involved, but there's also experience-based answers.
Personally, I'm going to leave this one for others, who are Subject Matter Experts (SME), to make the call wrt. voting to reopen.
 
 
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4:31 AM
@Makyen OK, thanks, will do in the future.
 
 
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7:16 AM
Blargh, I fail at using auto-custom-close reasons
 
I'm wondering how they typo'd Google that way :)
 
@JonClements locale spelling? :P
 
haha :)
 
urgh, more patronising messages when you flag. "We treat your reports seriously", no way, you sure? I thought you just printed my mod-flags to paper and pinned them on the office wall to laugh at -.-
 
can't we do both? :p
 
7:29 AM
@JonClements custom-designed toilet paper :D
I don't need a green pop-up telling me you take me seriously, I just want you to handle on my flag, and leave a comment on why you marked it helpful/declined if necessary. Not pop-ups appearing like pokémon when walking through the grasslands
 
well - the former happens anyway and it's nice to be reminded of cute pokemon walking through the grasslands isn't it... or have you got something against pokemon :)
 
@JonClements I never played Pokémon TBH. What I have against it, is that most of my friends at my fraternity have, and every now and then end up in disputes about it, with me not understanding a thing :P
 
I know there's pikachu.... apart from that though... I'm the same as you :)
 
@JonClements Me three
 
@JonClements You're fat and pink as well?
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7:42 AM
with my ninja camouflage skills - who knows! :)
 
8:13 AM
Morning
 
 
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9:36 AM
Can a RO trash this req? OP clarified.
 
10:04 AM
The OP wants his on-hold post deleted (see edit history). Should we delete vote it?
 
@SardarUsama No, he can delete it himself.
 
@toohonestforthissite okay. anyway, he apparently doesn't know how to do that. The post has 3 reopen votes, it may get reopened.
 
Misses the free-hand red circle^
 
@SardarUsama Yeah, cucumbers knocking at the door. I'm ready to CV. Did you cv-pls this here? From the text it seems there are many more problems to the code. OP needs more experience in general about bare-metal and learn to debug/test the code.
 
Wasn't there a room meating last week?
 
10:13 AM
@toohonestforthissite No I didn't. But apparently he did debug/test and figured out his problem
 
@AndréKool Yeah, and we have a new facility manager -->>
 
@SardarUsama isn't the post having no reopen votes also a requirement for self-deletion?
 
@toohonestforthissite Yup, I can see that but I can't find anything about the room meeting
 
@Adriaan I am not aware of such such rule if there is any.
 
@AndréKool TBH, I haven't check a transcript or some before, so I don't know where/if there is a transcript. By hey, ask the entitiy (is that neutral enough?) with the mop.
 
10:18 AM
@toohonestforthissite he did figure out his problem, it may be trial and error or actual debugging. He didn't tell/show what it was. So I am just being positive.
 
@SardarUsama Once more: where does he state what the problem is? I can't find such a statement.
 
@toohonestforthissite I am not taking anybody's side, if that's what you're implying
There are: "It must work but it crashes.", "what to put in that function?" P.S I am not saying that the question is not off-topic
 
@SardarUsama That's nothing about sides (sigh why are such things always reduced to "sides"? I'm not even discussing with OP), but about the text. I'm really curious if I missed some information in the text or even comments.
@SardarUsama "It must work, but it crashes" is no problem descriptin, but a symptom. He does not even state what "crash" means; does it jump off the table? Remember that's an embedded system. And "what to put in that function" is a question for code/advice, also not a problem description. So far it could even be a hardware problem e.g. on the CAN bus. How does he know the reception is not the reason for the later crash? UB is a bit**h.
Apparently there's a lot more code in the firmware and from what I read I'm not positive the other modules are tested well. And interrupt operation needs likely much more changes to the architecture than just the CAN transmit.
 
@toohonestforthissite and that's why it is off-topic. I am not sure what we are trying to argue here
 
@SardarUsama Apparently "he did figure out his problem" chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/43733935#43733935 :-)
 
10:29 AM
@toohonestforthissite These are his words "I succed without your help."
what meaning would you extract from that?
 
@SardarUsama But yeah, I spent a del-vote; not another rubbish GMTC Q&A game. Problem is the cucumbers might counter them, too.
@SardarUsama Erm, I must have missed that. Where did he write it? (and still: that is not a problem description.
FYI: There is also no comment asking to delete the question. Maybe you're arguing on deleted content?
 
@toohonestforthissite Please see the edit history of the question that I also mentioned in my first text
 
@SardarUsama @toohonestforthissite The question is gone...
 
@SardarUsama Ah, ok, now I see. (yeah, I saw this when I checked the history). Let's see if it will stay dead. Not uncommon a cucumber to undelete it. I'll monitor it for a while.
@AndréKool 4 reopen votes … Wow, there must be some cucumbers have been working on answers - which are either bad or too broad.
 
Okay, so what the heck is a cucumber in this context?
 
10:45 AM
@J.Steen "Rep-who**e" was too … explicit.
It's used by some until some against-cruelty-against-vegetables group complains.
 
@toohonestforthissite Right. So. Uh. Why specifically cucumber? Why not... say... aubergine? Or eggplant. =D
That vegetable sounds like an insult.
 
@J.Steen Eggplant already means something else
 
That was entirely my point.
Because they act eggplanty, and are eggplants.
Anyway. I was merely curious.
 
@J.Steen Why not cucumber? We leave the other veggs once cucumber is on the "bad word" list. Once we have all veggetables on that list, fruits, then minerals are available.
@ErikvonAsmuth Wow, I never thought of me being "mature". I should show this to my friends, they never believe it.
@J.Steen How does an aubergine act other than taste great if grilled properly and awful otherwise? And why do we call "deer" "deer", not e.g. "hutzelwutzel"?
 
11:24 AM
[Salad Keywords](https://sopython.com/salad/) are predefined, reserved identifiers that have special meanings to us.
They cannot be used as identifiers in your comment unless they include @ as a prefix.
We need an ISO for Universal Cross Room Salad Keyword..
 
12:07 PM
Need another reject on this turd-polishing... stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/20696110
Or approve, as you see fit, of course.
 
@J.Steen We don't say "turd" anymore. It's now "big brown homogenous biomatter"
 
Gosh.
 
@toohonestforthissite Tree?
 
@Cerbrus See the edit.
 
I'm not gonna respond in detail to that xD
 
12:35 PM
Morning
 
Afternoon
 
o/
 
O/
 
12:58 PM
@Machavity Welcome with the shiny italic name :) As a new RO you can probably tell me when the latest room meeting info will be added.
 
@AndréKool Makyen has a preliminary list already worked up. Just have to refine it some before publication
 
@Machavity Wasn't that originally about recommending windows 10?
 
@AndréKool I dunno. First time I've seen that one
 
1:36 PM
@AndréKool I've seen that one, but I in fact have recommended Win 10 to a friend (yes, I know, but I recommended replacing Win 8 when he was complaining), so not applicable
 
that's a new user but the user was already deleted?!
 
1:52 PM
Ah, so thats the new name (I was too bored to dig through the room meeting transcript)
 
2:46 PM
@NathanOliver I think that might be closed as o/t on Server Fault, since it could involve recompilation
It'd struggle even more on Super User, IMO
 
Either SF or SU works as a close reason. It is OT here as well. We don't do help for installing compilers here.
 
@halfer I suggested Unix.SE, but still close as SU
 
@NathanOliver I don't feel strongly about it, but aren't the rules a distillation of community opinion, rather than what one person says is the rules?
What "we" believe is up to me too, because I am a member of this community :-)
 
@halfer Well, from here software tools commonly used by programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development Which the Q fails on the later since installation is not unique to software development.
 
@NathanOliver If the program needs recompiling then I am of the opinion that it is a programming question.
 
2:53 PM
@halfer I'd let OP figure out where it fits, but it's definitively OT on SO.
 
@halfer What needs recompiling? The OP is asking how to install a compiler. If they need help with recompiling their code with that new compiler then they can ask here. Just asking how to install a compiler is OT.
 
3:18 PM
@NathanOliver Actually a library, not a compiler. But yeah, whether it needs recompilation is just speculation.
 
@halfer @NathanOliver Apparently he already asked it on Unix.SE before asking here
 
@Machavity that looks like a different but related Q.
 
3:47 PM
@E_net4 Is it? Looks like the OP is asking if they should use a convolutional neural network or generational adversarial network for image manipulation.
 
@NathanOliver Still pretty much off-topic, though. :/
 
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JeffCI just noticed that there is a tag [protactor] that is spelled incorrectly. It should be [protractor] (and that tag already exists). protactor protractor If you read the tag description of [protactor] it is describing protractor so I guess someone along the way accidentally created the tag with...

 
 
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8:09 PM
Hi all! o/
 
my name is gunr2171, not "all"
 
o/
My name is too irrational and complex to say so I'm okay with all
 
@gunr2171 Sorry, I mistyped and thought you were called "Al". ;)
^ That is lowercase l, not uppercase I. Nice choice of font.
 
Hi all
I'm contemplating changing my ID to "New contributor". Wouldn't it be of great taste?
 
Waffels™
 
8:18 PM
@Makyen sorry. Could do with some tool :)
 
Hi @TAFKAO ;)
@Makyen You not mean me, do you?
 
@Makyen RO should be able to edit others's posts for stuff like that... less work...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, that's on me. I'm trying to get the time to move towards a alpha/beta release. Feel free to bug me.
 
<bugging>can we get it ?</bugging>
 
While we are at it here is a bunch of link collections related to handling PDFs in C or C++. The dupes prevent the root of the evil from being deleted.
 
8:20 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Nope, not you. The post by @Jean-FrançoisFabre has been edited.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre :-)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre nuge, nuge
 
Moderate activity, one new dupe was posted today.
 
the real upside of a tool would be that it could check validity (closed & < -3 or closed+2 days ...)
 
@Makyen I thought because of the ™ :3
 
I've seen a lot of invalid requests recently. I had to .. ahem ... correct the post so the request was valid.
 
8:26 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, that's already included. The dialog tells you about the request being invalid (that issue and others). You can still post (unless it's a critical error, like trying to post a request on SOCVR for a site other than SO main), but you have to click-through a confirm to acknowledge the issue. You can also schedule an automatic revisit to the question/answer after a specified amount of days/hours.
 
@Makyen That should increase the number of delvote requests. As currently I seem to be one of the rare ones to bother storing the closed questions to serve them cold 2 days ago for deletion.
If you want a beta tester, talk to the hand :)
@toohonestforthissite music quizz: "Hot dogs, jumping frogs, Albuquerque". So ?
 
I likely could find this by google. Does that answer the question? "night is for the hunters" ?
 
@toohonestforthissite err ... at least you didn't cheat.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's an expected consequence, which I have mixed feelings about, depending on what happens (e.g. I'd rather not have a lot of requests for questions which will Roomba in a few days, unless the question is egregious). Along those lines, I haven't yet integrated Roomba checking into the validation, but that's on the list of things to do (e.g. warn you that the request is for a question that will Roomba in X days, where X is < some number).
 
@Makyen yes, of course. I don't bother with roombaable questions, but they still can have accepted answer afterwards...
 
8:34 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I don't have a problem with cvertain physical attributes, so no, I don't cheat (except for single player games if I'm not up to wast too much time) :-) - I'm nevertheless interested in the answer to your (and my) question.
 
I thought the Roomba was inherently unfathomable?
 
meta sure seems awkward today
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, at this point a set a revisit for 11 days (one of the default delays), just to verify that it did Roomba.
 
@Compass hm?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: Ok, found it on WP. Not really my kind of music.
 
8:37 PM
@toohonestforthissite :) okay youtube.com/watch?v=4T6e3GJCjow (this isn't Rick, you can click). Video clip is funny at least
 
@RobertColumbia There's a userscript: Roomba Forecaster - When will the question be Roomba'ed? If it won't, why? (Disclosure: I wrote it.)
 
@Makyen ty
 
Clap, clap, clap o/ @Makyen
 
Mayken scripts are super pro & useful.
 
Thanks.
 
8:39 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, I think I saw this once (or twice) on TV. Ok, so what's the answer to mine (or anyone else)?
 
I'll give it in 30 seconds on another planet (okay I have to google, listening it now, cool)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Lisening what? Wallies?
 
@Compass what's with meta (got my first gold badge for "great question" today, that's awkward)
@toohonestforthissite oops that's not it. Can't find it.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Strange, it was the first google result for the text excerpt, although the remix, not the original: Anne Clark "Wallies"
 
8:48 PM
@Compass some people have waaaay too much time.
 
@Compass I know exactly who they are talking about
 
@toohonestforthissite hurray, found it. Not bad, I like the instruments. Not blown away though. Voice reminds me of Propaganda (2 good titles)
got me curious now. Listening to another one :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre "Dr. Mabuse" and yeah, there was another one I think. Well, if you like the 80ies, Anne Clark (and Vince Clarke) should be known.
 
I didn't know Anne Clark. Vince Clarke founded Depeche Mode so obviously (at least for me) I know him. Propaganda: I recommend "Duel" too.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Try "sleeper in metropolis" and "our darkness". Various remixes. "weltschmerz" is also good, but don't have a knife nearby.
 
8:52 PM
our darkness is playing right now. nice remix
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Co-founded and left pretty soon, but yeah, he worked for quite some good bands.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre There#s a nice video about "sleeper in …" on YT youtube.com/watch?v=lxR1mRD1rmw
 
Erasure, Yazoo, Just can't get enough of that :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, I told you so
 
I am currently trying to cover Oasis, Wonderwall with my new guitar ...
 
Wonderwall's got excellent "open" chords. Good choice.
 
8:56 PM
(we can continue, but maybe we better move to the ministry to not irritate certain non-EU folks;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I would recommend trying something a little more common... :-P
 
@toohonestforthissite don't get me started on DM titles (that's a 2 minute warning)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ DOes that mean the guitar is that big you can cover them or do you mean playing their songs? Didn't you say you're not good at making music?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Much about getting in with the rhythm, and keep it straight.
 
Just use a sampler :)
 
8:58 PM
@TylerH Why so? That's pretty good stuff and absolutely a cool guitar piece.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It's a joke, but I realize it is probably highly cultural
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm pretty sure I can take the challenge; at least until mid 90ies or so. After the "songs of faith and devotion" I lost the contact a bit, although "Ultra" also has some nice pieces)
 
in America everyone who has a guitar learns how to play Wonderwall and then acts like they're a guitarist
also Stairway to Heaven
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: Just try walking in my shoes.
 
@toohonestforthissite I lost it briefly with "exciter" but got on track with "playing the angel".
 
8:59 PM
@TylerH Awww, I know what you mean. I am doing that just for fun of course.
 
@toohonestforthissite the sun and the rainfall...
 
Another on my current training plan is "Whiskey in the jar"
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, I have some of their newer albums, too, but I can't cite the titles and texts from memory as I can for the earlier ones. I'm particularily good with the black celebration and construction time again
@Jean-FrançoisFabre For the latter, I'm laying a pipeline.
 
@toohonestforthissite shame
though my favourites shifted to Queen and now Prefab Sprout :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I just can#t get enough of that
 
9:03 PM
I've listened too much to Depeche mode since 1986 now it's time to Enjoy the Silence.
 
Well, L. v. Bethooven is still quite popular too :3
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, we had that already. I recently didn't listen to DM that much either. Currently it's Tangerine Dream (70ies albums) again. Or a bit more indie-rock.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I like talking about these stories of old.
 
Pink Floyd, always again.
 
of princess bold, stories untold, happy souls.
 
40 yrs constantly
 
9:06 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I tried hard with Pink Floyd, couldn't take it...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre J.M. Jarre?
 
@toohonestforthissite. Well, It doesn't matter (II)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Definitively!
 
He became 70 recently
 
9:06 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ well, he had some moments, and that became really too much, with the laser harp crap and all.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I can recommend watrching "The Wall" film. Not only for the music.
 
@toohonestforthissite why not? I could do with a classic
 
@πάνταῥεῖ as well he should be :-)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You gotta take drugs to bear that of course man :P
 
I just listened to all of Eroica on Saturday
 
9:07 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ aah that's the trick!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ TBH, I like Oxygen and Magnetic fields and can listen to the rest, but they are not my absolute favourites (anymore). Btw: there's a 3rd Oxygen album.
 
yup both seventies albums are cool. experimental too.
 
@TylerH I am a fan of all kind of organ concertos. He really was an unforgettable genius.
@toohonestforthissite Oxygen Part IV it is IIRC.
 
adding The Wall to my TODO list, right beside the turd questions to delete in 2 days
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I always get goose bumps listening to "child of time". I just can't understand why everyone remembers "smoke on the water" when talking about deep purple, but rarely this one. It's much better imo.
 
9:11 PM
smoke on the water can be played with 1 guitar string with pedal on, that's why.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ehm, no. Oxygen 13-20 iirc. There was a remix album of some earlier parts and afaik one about Oxygen 8 from other artists, too. Oxygen 7-12 came out when Jarre un-dusted his electronics and played a new versdion of 1-6. No idea why he now added another one. 7-12 was ok, but imo the recent is not that great.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I've also seen 2 1/2 men ;-) Nevertheless, it's not really a great song imo. There#s a life video on YT about child of time, in case you want to compare.
 

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