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12:08 AM
@Makyen Thank you everyone who worked on reducing the cv-pls backlog. It's back down to under 50 active requests, which is a much more manageable number.
 
12:30 AM
This tag looks a bit suspicious stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/time-travel
 
 
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I added a bunch more Once we get all the negative scores out, we'll pull the plug
 
 
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4:50 AM
Hi everyone, I have built a UI for Advanced Search. SearchbarNavImprovements (install) | Core features: 1. Search main/meta switcher, 2. Switch to main/meta from left sidebar, 3. Order-by selector, 4. Username & Tag autocomplete | Planned features: 1. Saved search, 2. Load current search into UI
 
@feelingunwelcome shouldnt that dupe be closed as well?
 
6:09 AM
@SamuelLiew Looks good/interesting. It should be quite helpful. Unfortunately for me, I'm not going to be using it for the time being, as it's incompatible with a userscript of mine, Top Nav Choices, for which I'm working on a new version. My current released version does not work well with the new-new-new-new topbar (did I miss a "new" or two?). Sometime after I release the current update, I'll probably look at compatibility.
 
@Makyen oh wow. that is quite a different nav layout.. do you have the new theme yet?
 
6:29 AM
@SamuelLiew If you mean compatible with the currently existing top-nav, then yes, the development version is. As far as I can tell, the newest themes (I assume you mean the ones discussed here) don't actually affect the top-nav. However, they may require some tweaks to be able to have the height of the top-nav be adjustable (currently working). Frankly, given that SE has been making changes every couple/few weeks for a while now, I'm unsure if they'll do more.
If you mean an optional color theme that matches the current top-nav themes, then yes, options exist for both the dark (like it is everywhere but SO) and the light SO theme, and a modified dark theme. Additional color themes are easy to add through code modification (parameter based). While I intend the theme to be customizable through the UI, that's not built yet, and probably won't be in the next release.
 
@Makyen yeah I meant this. May I have the link to the dev version?
 
@SamuelLiew Sure, but it's going to be a day or two before I push it to GitHub.
 
 
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8:46 AM
.. hmm
 
Yeah, that's strange. I'd need to take a look at that one.
 
doesnt say anything about chat.. I assume that will be readonly as well
 
Who knows. I thought someone asked about chat in comments, but I haven't gone back to read it in a while.
 
9:01 AM
@SurajRao chat is expected to blib (so minimal or no downtime)
 
ok
saw in the comments. thanks
 
9:17 AM
> one of the leading expert in my country in CSS told me this, and recommended this.
no thats not css
mod flagged for comment cleanup
I dont understand why do people ask and refuse to believe they are way off
 
9:33 AM
@SurajRao just don't question my brilliancy ...
 
10:28 AM
Now OP says they are using LESS... Much ado about nothing
 
@SurajRao It's a general problem: It requires some basic level of understanding of a subject to know one is wrong. That plus the general kindergartenisation of society: "you're wrong" - "no, I'm not", "yes, you are, because of …" - "No I 'm not and I want it that way!"
 
its more of an attitude thing rather than subject knowledge...
just find it weird
 
@SurajRao It's both actually. See the edit ^
 
yeah.. agreed
 
@SurajRao It's plain stupid and arrogant. Nevertheless it's considered a "strong personality" these days (imo a strong personality is able to accept they're wrong, but I'm old-school)
That happens if you don't tell the kids they did something wrong and have to take the consequences. (worse: you try to protect them from every dumb thing kids normally do - helicopter parenting)
@πάνταῥεῖ We really should close this ^, but not delete. It's a great future dupe for everyone skipping chapters.
 
10:44 AM
I just CVed as TB
 
@πάνταῥεῖ The second best reason, after "obvious chapter skipper, Giligan"
 
 
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11:46 AM
 
12:02 PM
@Olaf Guillotining is too good for them :)
 
@MartinJames That's not what I mean.
 
@Olaf Well, indefinite imprisonment in the Bastille would do, at a push...
The newbies must not escape revolutionary justice!
 
hey, cool-off
 
@rene Prodding at the French is a national passtime here:)
I mean, it's not like I really want the newbies beheaded, (well, not all of them anyway:).
 
it could be. I simply don't like that the impression arises from our transcript we set out on inventing ways to do actual harm to users.
Feel free to go to the Ministry if you want to venture more into that topic. Please stop it here.
 
waffles
 
- shrug -
 
more waffles
 
 
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Needs seriously more context to help.
 
2:18 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar Did I miss NATO? The posts seem to be ca. 1 year old. We normally don't request action on older posts.
 
2:39 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Why close this? It's not even the right language. stackoverflow.com/q/13096719/3002139
Same goes to @Cœur if they are around.
 
So you mean it was asking for ?
 
Yes.
scanf specifically, which is not a reasonable restriction for C++.
 
@Baum I'll be more careful about @Cœur's proposals, yes.
 
Thank you.
Also Hi all! o/
Forgot that, sorry.
 
2:51 PM
@BaummitAugen My bad, I did not notice the C / C++ difference and no one of the previous 69,524 visitors made any comment about it being a wrong duplicate.
 
@Cœur Most visitors have less than 50 rep...
 
@Olaf You didn't miss anything. But same user asked duplicate question today. And that question is not only too broad, but the answer does not address the question. I though all that should be cleaned up.
 
@Cœur Ok, no harm done in this case.
 
3:06 PM
can someone explain why this question is "Too Broad"? stackoverflow.com/questions/51334988/…
it seems like voters just wanted to punish the question for showing zero effort, but the question itself was well defined.
 
@PatrickParker Probably better closed as lacking MCVE. The base question is Could someone please help me with the logic. Screams homework
 
@Machavity Questions only require MCVE if they're debugging help.
Yes, I think there is no reason why it should be closed. Lack of effort should just be downvoted, not closed.
 
I mean, I down-voted it for lack of effort. But I also answered it. Looks like I incurred the wrath as well on my answer.
 
@PatrickParker Or because it has too little explanation and too much code.
Actually the other answer is in the same condition.
 
Down-voting people for being helpful to someone you don't like is wrong-headed use of votes IMO. But I digress.
 
3:12 PM
> Resizing/concatenating arrays is a little bit cumbersome for a beginner.
That's condescending @Patrick
 
sarcasm, right?
 
(implies OP is a beginner? Judge the user not content?)
 
the artificial restriction (can't use List) strongly implies this is for a Java class assignment
a beginner class at that, if one cannot use such a basic collection class
ok, you guys got your wish. my answer will disappear forever into the ether. congrats?
 
'Sorry, I didn't mention anywhere that I can't use objects or lists' - homework timewaster:(
 
Then VTC as unclear...
 
3:21 PM
@user202729 I surely would, if it was not already closed as 'Too broad'
 
(yes I know. Just point out that there is a more appropriate close reason.)
 
@PatrickParker I don't know who downvoted, but the root problem is the user just described a coding problem and wanted someone to write free code. Most people expect some kind of attempt first
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I did not advertise any of my close votes on socvr recently, so most of my proposals are only found in the classic review queue. But I can acknowledge that this week's close votes of mine are, for a part, made after unclear reopen circumstances. You may re-review the other question that you have close from my proposals if you wish: stackoverflow.com/questions/5298268/…
 
@Cœur Queenie reports them to me in this room (and thus publicly for anyone else also)
 
Wose than that, they did not post the constrants, presumably to avoid appearing like a no-effort homework dump, (which it was). SO users then wasted time and effort on providing answers, only for the OP to be forced into posting the constraints anyway.

Favourited for the next 'You need to help newbies' meta post.
 
3:27 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't understand why: is it because Queenie reports all duplicate proposals? Or all "Cœur"'s proposals?
 
That same question, the too broad vs no MCVE vs no HW effort, now needs to be deleted
 
@Cœur It reports duplicate proposals tagged to me. Because I've got a dupe hammer privilege.
 
Plop
 
Hi you holy rodent ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah, so it's because of the gold badge on the question's tag.
 
3:30 PM
Yup ^
 
Wassup coffee girl?
 
user4639281
How's it hangin' homies?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels That net nasty is gone now:)
 
Oh my it's TG
Tired as hell after first week of work (and festival)
You?
 
user4639281
I know right? Mind+blown
 
3:39 PM
@PatrickParker I'm not a Java dev, so I didn't vote on your answer, but I would advice to never start an answer with code first. Instead write at least one sentence explaining the key of a solution to a problem, like "You can use methodFooBar:", and then the code example after.
 
@TinyGiant Da
 
user4639281
I'm good, glad to have two days off in a row
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ I've got a bit of a "garden" growing at the moment. Coming along nicely.
 
I am in SNAFU state :3
 
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3:43 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm in more of a FUBAR state :P
 
@TinyGiant LOL take a poutine!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I want to try this one day
 
Be prepared for lots of gravvy
'N cheese
 
user4639281
'N Magic™
 
user4639281
3:50 PM
Breakfast of champions that is.
 
\o
 
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@πάνταῥεῖ he eats poutine for breakfast, champion
 
Was a good pu probably at least ;)
 
My avatar has cat food for breakfast :-)
 
3:56 PM
@MartinJames Do you mean the poster who came into this room regarding his answer being down-voted? If so, I was actually impressed with his relatively even tempered response
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I meant the Java no-effort, timewasting homework dumper.
 
@halfer I hope you sometimes have some fresh mice mixed in ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ She might appreciate that! However she's very happy with the meat in the wet food, she eats that very enthusiastically.
 
@MartinJames Ah got it. Agreed
 
4:17 PM
@TinyGiant welcome to SOCVR. Please read the... Oh wait
 
user4639281
:P
 
They kept me at SE guantanamo for a year, I am probably appearing brain washed a bit ;)
 
4:43 PM
@PatrickParker I just saw your profile: you're still working on Wesnoth? Great game.
@MartinJames Ah, be nice. I'm sure the asker just had something more important to do.
 
@Olaf Yeah, just outsourcing to solve detail problemz regarding my otherwise great solution is a recuringly notable problem.
 
Anyone up for a cron question reopening spree? I stumbled across stackoverflow.com/q/27619902/1709587 recently and was frustrated by its closure, and the consensus judging by the top-voted answer at meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366237/1709587 seems to be that Cron questions are on-topic under the "tools commonly used by programmers" clause
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Future team-leaders, and managers. I should apply for a top-manager position. Just 1 or 2 years steam-talk and I can retire.
 
Loads of dollars burnt down at india, romania, etc.
 
Looking at stackoverflow.com/… I see several questions that look at first glance like reopening candidates, and am probably gonna go down the list burning my reopen votes on anything that I think deserves to be open
 
4:51 PM
Devils advocate?
 
@MarkAmery I strongly ddisagree. crontabs are simple OS tools. Questions might be suitable on superuser, but they are not programming-specific per-se. Things might be different for complex actions, but that would not be related to cron itself, but the shell.
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't care about the dollars. It's the Euros which bother me
 
@Olaf heh. I'll guess that was your delete vote, then. This is a great example of something I was drunkenly ranting about recently at chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7093302#7093302 - that within the community we have outright contradictory moderation standards and multiple users with closure powers pulling in different directions.
 
Sober again?
 
temporarily, @πάνταῥεῖ. Only ever temporarily.
 
5:03 PM
XD
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That would require Euros first.
 
@Olaf No, it's gold what you're after.
 
@MarkAmery Votes are anonymous for a reason. Assuming some left a vote, just because he responded could be considered offending. Giving the benefit of doubt, I just ignore this part, but refer to the meta post. There is no clear line about how people consider the things, expecially as the quetion asks about multiple unrelated things. …
… Talking about cron jobs alone: cron is very rarely used for programming, but to schedule system tasks. With the same argumentation you could say installing GPU drivers is programming related (actually it would be even more than cron). You'remixing up two things here: crontab and the command.
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes and that would require somethign I could get it for. Until now, customers pay me in Euros, not gold.
 
@Olaf I use Cron primarily to deploy scripts that I've written. That makes it a programming-related tool, in my book.
 
@MarkAmery Please note that the on-topic page statement is "software tools commonly used by programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development". I'd say that crontab entries being on-topic is...debatable, and depends on what, exactly, is desired/asked. Specifically, is the problem they're asking about "unique to software development". (Although that begs the question what is "software development").
 
5:12 PM
If it matters, I would cron on its known not to be considered on-topic on SO.
 
However, that doesn't mean that you can't post reopen-pls requests about them in here. However, please keep in mind that any such requests should roughly follow the criteria we use for cv-pls requests, i.e. that there is justification for fast-tracking the reopen, rather than letting the reopen queue handle it. Given that the reopen queue is not remotely as congested as the close queue,
I'd say that the main criteria for a reopen-pls would be that it's a new question that is still likely to get attention and see answers added in the very near term.
If you want to seed the reopen queue with bunch questions and ask people to filter the queue for those questions, that would be a reasonable way to go about getting some additional votes. If you do post such a message (not a tagged request), I'd suggest that you include a link to the queue with the tag filtered to make it easier for people (like this).
 
@MarkAmery Sorry, but who made you the reference?
 
@Olaf What do you mean?
 
I think I got a request for help to either reformulate or close an highly upvoted question where the title is about "How to do X?" and the body "How to do Y?" and answers are a mix of solving either X or Y. Finally, there is a "Possible Duplicate to do Y" link mentioned, which is correct if we look at the body of the question, but incorrect if we look at the title: stackoverflow.com/questions/13433946/…
X problem is "How to check if curl is enabled?". Y problem is "How to write something as a function?"
 
@MarkAmery "I use Cron primarily to deploy scripts that I've written …" - Let apart that running scripts is not a programming task by itself either. user@localhost:~$ ls -la is not programming.
 
5:16 PM
@Makyen I'm cautious about taking "unique" too literally. I've seen users argue on Meta before that time-complexity analysis is off-topic here because it could be of interest to an academic computer scientist instead of a working programmer, and therefore isn't unique to software development; I personally think that's following the literal rules off a cliff. I tend to reinterpret "unique" as meaning "primarily relevant to".
 
@Cœur I take the title of most posts only as a rough hint. A lot of them are just garbage. If you think editing the title helps the question, it might avoid closing it (did I really say this?)
 
@Olaf I'm concerned by the existing answers: it seems too late to change the title.
 
@Cœur I can't help you with the contents, but would an additional disclaimer in the question itself (e.g. seperated and properly formatted) help? Anyway, it's your decission, PHP can't be much further from my area of interest without becoming knitting:-).
 
@MarkAmery I agree that the statement is open to interpretation. How far to go in the direction which you've headed is unclear. My primary point was that, at least for me, a cron question being on-topic is going to depend on what exactly is being asked. IME, there are a lot of uses of cron which I'd consider definitely not software development, and a relative few which I might consider software development. However, that's just my opinion.
 
@Olaf During years 2015-2017, I met some people who don't know programming and they told me "I want to learn PHP". I asked why and their reply was always "If Facebook uses it, it must be the best language to get into"
 
5:28 PM
@Cœur Well, I had a look at that question now and, yes, this is definitively not worth keeping. The question linked in the body is exactly the same and I wonder if someone is asking about the same thing over and over again. I'll support a cv-pls.
@Cœur Yeah, beacue the big and quickly hacked-together web-sites must be really great … facepalm "Eat sh**, millions of flies can't be wrong"
 
@Olaf Well, those same people seem to be a bit more mature in 2018, because they are now desiring to either learn Python ("I heard Machine Learning is the future") or Javascript ("I heard JS is as fast as Assembly and works everywhere")
 
@Olaf - thanks! actually now I am working on Argentum Age, another awesome free (as in beer) open source game. same lead developer of Wesnoth (David White). thanks for reminding me; I need to update my profile!
 
Just wait till JavaScript is there and used for machine learning. That will be heavy sh** ...
 
@Cœur You should consider those tons of silicon out in production which was sold already :-/
 
@πάνταῥεῖ sorry I don't get the reference
 
5:37 PM
@Cœur While I really consider Python (one of) the best language(s), have just one word: lemmings. You're in bad company ;-)
 
That person has been spamming the same text several times on this site.
 
@Cœur Business people still want to gain revenue from these charges?
 
@PatrickParker If it's/will be part of typical Linux distros, I'm sure I'll have a look at it some day. So does that mean Wesnoth is orphaned now or in maintenance mode?
 
@Olaf Wesnoth has been in the polishing stages for a long time now. It is still being actively developed and just got a new lease on life thanks to the Steam releasse of version 1.14
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Sure there's no "e" missing?
@PatrickParker I just hope it is still available without steam, isn't it? (Btw. GoG would be a good place, too)
 
5:42 PM
@Olaf Sure!
 
@Olaf of course, Steam is optional and not required for any content. if you want to chat more, try the Wesnoth and/or Argentum Age Discord. I am signing off for tonight. 1:44AM Philippines.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Strange. I thought Silicone was a better head-filling than silicon. And less likely to rot than straw, too.
 
@Olaf silicon refers to microprocessor hardware, while silicone is applied to make soft breasts
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I know! Having cleared this, read the thread again …
 
6:09 PM
@Cœur That's defamation … no waffles for you next time :-þ
 
AI won't really take place unless we're doing well with programming quantum computers correctly. So javascript? No, that's the wrong tool to do this.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm sure someone will port a JS interpreter to a quantum computer, slow it down to any normal binary computer and make JS the standard language for quantum computers. I'm just not sure if it will be google, Apple or microsoft. Of course IBM is also one of the usual suspects.
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If that's the way our civilisation wil deal with AI, bleh!
 
Neural networks seem the way to go for general AI. It has already worked once.
 
6:26 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Ok, what have you done to πάνταῥεῖ? The πάνταῥεῖ I know knows our species well enough to not be that optimistic.
 
I'm listening more to Grady Booch
 
@JohnDvorak You mean the hype in the 50ies/60ies? Well, Weizenbaum & Co are old/dead now. I just wonder it took so long to revive that body.
 
@Olaf Well, SO has a JCL tag, with a massive 219 entries. I will studiously apply myself to IBM JS so I can continue to be a top-class, full-stack, enterprise systems architect.
..or I could just stab myself repeatedly in the eyes with a blunt spoon.
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6:41 PM
@MartinJames Is that less painful than following and ?
 
@Olaf ...on a good day.
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ I followed your advice. Currently eating a routine in costco
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user4639281
Poutine** *$%& autocorrect
 
@TinyGiant Yeah - we'd all mentally auto-corrected it. Enjoy:)
@TinyGiant Also, I hope it doesn't return anything :)
 
6:46 PM
Oh, I've eaten a lot of routines. Mostly from people who have not really an idea what they are doing.
 
 
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8:35 PM
@FireAlarm I guess that 'it goes quiet' would get me flagged..
 
@MartinJames LOL, I had the same in mind. Modern IoT setup: Use a Arduino with a mic, send the data via WLAN to a RasPi which processes the stream, sends the result to a cloud service which send you a WhatsApp messsage.
 
@Olaf WHAT? No database? :)
 
@MartinJames Isn't that part of the cloud service?
 
@Olaf Quite possibly, but there should be a local DB too, just in case, (enough cycles/time have not been wasted already:).
 
@MartinJames Meh, I'd just burn the power with a parallel resistor, but that's so antique tech.
On second though: if I add a blue LED … could work.
 
@Olaf Yeah - or a row of those tiny, multicoloured bar LEDs that you see on mobos and are supposed to mean something useful.
 
@MartinJames Oh, well, I have such a board in my gaming PC. Good thing is I don't need a nioght-light when I leave it on standby. Luckily I don't have a windowed casing. (tbf: the board also has a port 80h diagnosis display, which was already helpful once.)
 
9:24 PM
@Olaf I suspect they are power rail indicators. Unfortunately, I've only ever seen two states; 'all LEDs lit', (box working OK), and 'all LEDs out', (power off or PS blown up).
 
@MartinJames I know well. For some strange reason the only things failing on my last PCs were the PSUs. And - believe me, I don't buy cheapo chinese PSUs. Nor do I operate them on the edge at all.
 
@Olaf I buy the cheapest PS I can find on eBay/Amazon and keep one in stock:)
 
@MartinJames I've seen their internals and while the not-that cheap units might not have a longer lifetime, they are at lest less likely to pass 380V DC to the rest of the PC and attached human entities.
 
@Olaf lol, I've never had a hit from a PC PSU, (well, no electric hit, only wallet hits).
Even the cheapo PSU's have reasonable ferrites, opto and slots cut round the 380.
 
9:54 PM
@MartinJames Yeah, but they don't have the required air-gaps, cables are partly unisulated, etc. No thanks, it's not worth to safe 20€ just to have a 1k€ PC zapped (not to mention the time to restore backups).
 
 
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11:21 PM
@EJoshuaS I assume that you're using the app instead of a browser. (It's gone)
 
@EJoshuaS del voted Q
 
11:51 PM
@Machavity Yep - I flagged the answer as NAA for being link-only as well.
 

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