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12:13 AM
 
 
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3:47 AM
morning
 
o/
 
\o
 
4:20 AM
Do we not get notifications in our inbox when someone edits our posts? I thought we did, but apparently not
I can't find anything about the inbox in the help center :(
I guess adding the irrelevant tags to my question was considered an insignificant edit, so I didn't get a notification
 
 
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5:31 AM
@Justin Unfortunately, yeah, they suppress some notifications, for "minimal" changes. However, the edits for which they suppress notification can be substantial. For instance, all Markdown is excluded from being counted, so they can add/remove/modify links with impunity, without you being notified.
 
 
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7:34 AM
Morning
 
hey guys, this was that ER diagram question I mentioned the other day stackoverflow.com/questions/22786259/er-diagrams-notation flag is still pending
 
Ow yeah, I think we forgot to ask you for the link yesterday (or I just missed it )
 
i cant remember if i linked it or not
 
I don't see a cv-pls request for that in this room. Did you forget or did it get moved to a different room?
 
i probably forgot
whats the correct close reason? ill cv-pls it
 
8:17 AM
Mornin' o/
@WhatsThePoint perhaps Nothing to do with programming/belongs on DBA?
 
yeah i flagged as nothing to do with programming just didn't know if the close reasons were different, i don't have access to those yet
 
Lets go with this:
 
@AndréKool well i mean... that works :D
 
It probably belongs on a different site but its to old to migrate :/
 
@AndréKool I dunno, I think what's a database relationship is TB no matter where you look, even where it's on-topic
 
8:33 AM
Annoying to get a ping each time you edit your message
 
Haha, sorry, it's done now
Didn't think it pinged again on edit
 
Anyway. That question is over 4 years old so there is no point in arguing about it I think.
 
8:49 AM
There are a few useless answers too...
 
@Makyen It's not blog post day is it
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman NAA alert! :P
 
Refreshing spam - "join the illuminati now!"
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@NickA Kinda seems like it might be. But nobody told me. :-(
 
@Olaf you're a close voter on this question, it came up on MSE. Care to revisit that question?
 
8:55 AM
^ spam
 
@J.Steen Here's Undo's Illuminati escapade, responding to one of those asking to sign up: here, here, and here: including the Illuminati Oath saying that they don't share human blood (but, only as a footnote).
 
Just got a "It’s not you, it’s us. This is our fault." on MSE, but I'm not convinced it is, how is it their fault if I hit the back button a couple times to press the "Confirm and Create This Account" button more than once
 
@Makyen Wonderful.
 
@Makyen I've now read these out loud to my colleagues. There was much snerking.
 
9:14 AM
:-)
 
10:14 AM
@rene I would like to reply, but OP (intentionally or not) blamed us on SE, not our locla meta and don't have signed up there. Is ther any way to sign up using the SO account?
 
^ stupid del vote, please flag as spam instead
@Olaf when you sign up for another site in the SE network it just asks you to confirm that you want to create another account and link it to your network profile
 
@rene: And it's not the close-voters being wrong here.
 
@tripleee That thing from smokey? It's already gone
 
@AndréKool thanks, it had a del vote a minute ago
apparently not by anyone from this room though
somewhat paradoxically, only visible now that it's deleted (if you have the privs to view deleted posts)
 
@tripleee Thanks, seems to have worked. Would be helpful if they had this information directly on the signup-page.
 
10:22 AM
@Makyen Excellent drivel.
 
@SmokeDetector Yay, more illuminati :D
 
10:38 AM
Well.
 
interesting.
 
Trying to clean up regex a bit?
 
Good luck. =D
 
@AndréKool Yes, I have a list of evident dupes that I really want to see deleted.
 
Oh wow, I've just noticed that the sidebar menu actually stays at the side now
 
10:49 AM
@WiktorStribiżew good to see you here, you have racked up an impressive rep basically just from
 
@tripleee :) You are going to see me more often answering sed/awk/grep questions, too, I am now working in Linux on a regular basis :)
 
11:24 AM
@Olaf sure, I can't judge that. That is why I pinged you. I do know you never make mistakes.
 
11:35 AM
@rene And I never lie about my mistakes;-) Anyway, I do react a bit thin skinned to ad hominem rants.
 
12:20 PM
@MartinJames: What do you think about a book title like "MISRA: How to make money from noobs by polishing a turd"? But then I'm afarid it's like trying to sell Darwin's "Origin of Species" to Intelligent (pun intended?!) Designers.
 
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Q: Should the [korean] tag be burninated/deleted?

FilnorThe korean tag has only one question, no usage guidance and no tag wiki. IMO, the tag doesn't add anything valuable to the post and the site in general. Also refer to a related question about the russian tag: Should we roll back 62 edits where [russian] was added?

 
12:39 PM
Morning
 
Afternoon
 
@SmokeDetector vandalism reverted
 
12:57 PM
@SmokeDetector we don't because not the OP but a 2K-er did the vandalism there ...
strange things do happen
 
I found two old perfect duplicates, due to migration. If any mod passes by, they may merge those: stackoverflow.com/questions/10639432/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/1969090/…
 
@Cœur Mod flag, don't leave a random chat message
 
@NathanOliver I voted to close as duplicate. So if no mod notices the message, the review queue should do the job.
 
 
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Ron
2:19 PM
Where is everybody?
Why are you all bleached with close to 100% alpha transparency.
 
we've been closed ;)
 
Ron
Lol.
SO Close(d).
 
SO Closed Vote Reviewers
3
 
Ron
Haha.
 
 
Ron
3:36 PM
What do you make of this one?
From a C++ point of view it is quite unclear imho.
 
And from a PHP point of view?
 
Ron
Lol.
@rene You are a sharper. What you make of it?
The question, that is.
 
I can see clearly now, the rain is gone
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I thought flowers liked rain...
 
3:45 PM
@Ron which question
 
@rene Get the next train or rent a car.
Oh.. 'rain' :(
 
Ron
@rene This one.
 
@Ron I've closed as too broad
 
Ron
Indeed it was.
Which installers on Windows do you use? If any.
 
@Servy SOCVR should not participate in open/close disputes through the use of cv-pls requests. In general, if there's a dispute like this over a question being open or closed, then it really should be taken to Meta, instead of using the potential extra votes from SOCVR to weight in on either side of such a dispute.
 
3:59 PM
@Ron I've used wix
 
Ron
Thanks.
 
@Ron I liked it back then because it was the only toolchain that had decent commandline support and used xml as their input format. It covers the Windows Installer API nicely, produces standard MSI's and it is opensource. I believe they now have decent Visual Studio support as well.
 
Ron
@rene Will take a look at it. So far I've never ventured outside the Inno Setup.
 
user177800
4:39 PM
@SmokeDetector what is the command to mark this as a FALSE positive? I edited out the garbage that they had put in the question that caused this to be flagged as spam?
 
@feelingunwelcome SmokeDetector Commands
 
5:02 PM
Wow! Is this another you? @MadaraUchiha
:43077365 Dude, what you said?
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman I didn't notice you had a delete req up. Was just duplicating stuff
 
5:18 PM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Abusive, but not rude imo.
 
@Olaf Both are same.
Now comes the del...
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman It's the same flag, but not the same issue.
 
Not sure that needed ruding out
Gone either way
He was amazed at the downvotes he got. Clearly we need to need to advertise Meta.SO better
 
How to handle two too broad and (almost) identical questions without answers? One has a close vote for "too broad". Here stackoverflow.com/q/51088235/5468463 and stackoverflow.com/q/51087981/5468463
 
@Vega The longer one could be closed as 'unclear' as well, since all they did is paste their homework requirements and didn't tell us what they need help with.
 
5:23 PM
@Vega Let's too broad both.
 
@Machavity I don't think this particular troll will be impressed by meta.
 
@Olaf If your goal is downvotes, nothing beats Meta
 
@Machavity I'd rather see him not post here (yeah, that's logically … problematic). I can't prove it, but I suspect it's not the first nonsense post of that person.
 
Thank you all :)
An other question, can I?
 
5:55 PM
Just a general note: work on could use some help. It looks like this is going to mostly be a re-tag effort, but it requires some time and effort to figure out what to retag to (or even if it needed the tag)
 
Is the site dragging for anyone else?
 
yes very bad
 
yes very bad
I can't even post a comment it takes so long :(
 
my flags are not even registering
 
6:08 PM
I've had several actions time out on me
 
!!/blame
 
@NathanOliver It's Rob's fault.
 
hehehe
 
shes working now
 
still slow for me
 
6:13 PM
SE is also slow for me
 
it was working fine for a sec but yes
cant even get to my profile now
 
StackStatus says something is up
Maybe we should post something on the site to let them know the site is down :P
 
I posted an answer and while I was waiting to see if it would go through I got a popup saying a new answer was added. Turns out it was my own and it was that slow that it served me my own notification
 
I dunno whether to laugh or shake my head at that one
 
@NathanOliver exact same thing just happened to me
 
6:23 PM
Man my work's internet went out all morning and just came back up, I came to SO and now it is having problems
blame it all on me
 
!!/blame
 
14 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
@NathanOliver It's Rob's fault.
 
@Nkosi It's Queen's fault.
 
there's your culprit.
 
The robot civil war has begun
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6:28 PM
working now
 
7:17 PM
atleast he put it in bold for anyone flagging
 
I'm seeing a lot of POB questions on too...
 
What to do about this answer? stackoverflow.com/questions/51020213/…
 
@Alec that links to a comment
 
whoops posted the comment link
 
@Alec wow, that's borderline "rude" flag
NAA at a minimum
 
7:26 PM
I did NAA cause it was just link only, but also rude
 
@Alec Definitely NAA - maybe even rude
 
so unsure
 
I suspect the answerer added in that stuff because without it the answer is not long enough to post a link
so I lean more toward NAA
 
Q is off-topic. Wordpress Admin questions belong on Wordpress.SE
 
@Alec I flagged the comment you linked for moderator attention just to be safe
 
7:30 PM
The question is quite a mess.
 
@Alec Please avoid oneboxes. To do so, just include other text along with the URL in your message.
 
@Makyen Yes sorry, I posted the wrong link and jumped the gun
 
@Radiodef Meh. I'd keep that as a sign post as it has the operators in the title.
 
7:38 PM
@NathanOliver Really? There's a pretty big Java Q&A for this. If we don't delete the duplicate, should it be edited so that the old-style duplicate banner points to the right Q&A (instead of the python one)?
 
Oh, Didn't notice it was a manual dupe notice. Never mind me. I deleted it (well I was the last vote needed). The java dupe should be fine as is.
 
Alright.
 
radiodef puts his winchester away...
 
@Radiodef If it has an old-style banner you can edit it out, unhammer, and re-hammer to fix it
 
@Machavity Oh OK, that's a good idea.
 
7:43 PM
If we hold a conference for dupe hammers would the MC be MC Hammer?
 
heh
Yes, MC stands for Mjolnir Closer though
 
7:57 PM
Is this spam? I looked up the website on LinkedIn, and that username was listed as an employee: stackoverflow.com/a/51084631/5764553
 
@AndrewMyers it could be a common name; hard to tell
 
@AndrewMyers they have two answers, same link, smells spammy
 
@Radiodef Please don't include links to multiple questions/answers in a request, particularly a del-pls. Doing so makes it unclear (at least to our scripts, and sometimes to humans) as to which post you are wanting acted upon, or if you want all the included posts acted upon.
 
@Makyen Should I delete that message and do it again?
 
meh, we'll handle it this time ... but next time ....
 
8:00 PM
trembles
 
@Radiodef No. To the best of my determination, your request is already handled. Also, only site moderators can edit/delete after 2 minutes.
@Radiodef As to this particular question: Why delete this particular question/duplicate? It has 6,280 views, which means it was doing a decent job at being a signpost, which is the entire point of being a duplicate. It had been closed since 2013, so it's wasn't collecting any new answers. I just don't see the motivation to delete it, and it was doing some good (signpost) having it around.
 
@Makyen Do you think it would be better to get 5 votes to reopen it and then mark it as a proper duplicate? Or just leave it alone?
 
@Radiodef Oh, crud. Somehow I mentally changed the close reason to duplicate. Forget what I just said. Sorry.
 
@Makyen :P
 
Thanks for calling me on it.
 
8:13 PM
@TylerH @Makyen please bin this request of mine - OP added an MCVE
 
1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium, per request
 
8:34 PM
@TylerH nice catch on that plagiarism answer, may I ask how you found out it was copy and pasted directly?
 
you talking about the one I commented under?
 
Yes, about autopostback
 
another of the answers there used the same exact wording and included a link
so I checked the link and sure enough the whole thing was just quoted from different parts of that blog post
 
Oh i see that! ha
 
The language had the same exact problems with grammar so I knew the chances of it not being copied content from somewhere were infinitesimally small
Also I am pretty sure that was a question that was posted to some local or regional discussion board because everyone who posted an answer is of the same apparent nationality and has the same rough grasp of English
I then found another post on another similar question that was also plagiarized from the exact same blog post
 
8:54 PM
@TylerH the plot thickens
what is the normal solution to plagiarism, I am on a question right now that both have the exact same wording for their answers. The newer answer uses an older answer's exact words to define encapsulation and abstraction.
 
@Alec Flag for moderators and link to where it is plagiarized from, that's the standard procedure
what's the answer you are looking at? I can provide my opinion on what to do if I can see the full context
 
Here is the more upvoted and recent answer (and the plagerizer) stackoverflow.com/a/22606164/6950859 and this is where he copied his two explanations from stackoverflow.com/a/20687967/6950859
User in the comments mentions this as well
 
Hmm it looks to me based on how it is written that they both likely copied it from somewhere
codefordeveloper.com/… looks like they are copied from here
 
3 different answers mention a medicine tablet lol, can't complain though its a good comparison
 
I have flagged both answers for moderator attention and linked to the source webpage they have copied content from
 
9:03 PM
@TylerH that's a later date than this one stackoverflow.com/a/20687967/6950859
Unless that date is last update for that webpage
a proper black hole
 
-2
Q: Should we burninate the [correlated] tag?

emsimpson92There is no description for this tag, and as far as I can tell it shares the same purpose of the [correlated-subquery] or [correlation] tags. There are: 0 followers 47 questions total 5 questions this year Any specific reason this tag is still around?

 
@Alec It's possible; we'll let the mods sort it out
there's a lot of similar language in all those answers
there's a third answer too that is copied from the same place as those two you linked
 
@TylerH yep im seeing a lot of similar "wordage"
Is it ok to post NAA in here and if so do I post a flag-pls tag? I got three NAA on the same question basically saying the same thing
 
@Alec We don't do NAA requests. It only takes one flag to get them into the queue so just you flagging them is all that is needed.
 
9:18 PM
@NathanOliver Thank you, I feel like I have asked that question before too, apologies. Next time I will remember :)
 
np
@SmokeDetector @Makyen Can't we give them the benefit of the doubt and let them respond first. They do have actual contributions and nuking it will hit them with a 100 rep penalty.
 
I like how Am I missing something or that's it? is answered with Yes
 
@NathanOliver They have posted exactly the same thing, which is just a copy of the first paragraph of their blog on 3 different sites, while not addressing actual points the questions they answered. I'm normally for giving them the benefit of the doubt, but when they are on a copy-&-paste spree...
 
Is 'Active 8 days ago' too old for a cv-pls?
 
@Makyen Yeah, didn't see it was on the other network sites. It got my spam flag
 
9:33 PM
Yeah, I was a bit slow with getting comments up on all three posts.
 
@Vega should fit the 6-8 meme ...
 
@rene Thank you :)
 
@Vega Opinions differ, which is why we don't have an explicitly defined time-frame. The goal is to get more people looking at things in order to have off-topic questions closed quickly (or even just closed on low-traffic tags), so that they don't get answered and stick around. The amount of time that a question is actively getting views depends on the tags. In some tags, it won't get much activity after a few minutes/hours. For low-traffic tags views can trickle in over days/weeks.
 
@Vega The question is a bad fit for this site like most question involving custom hardware/wiring. Imo a custom reason stating this would have been better.
 
@Makyen I see... thank you for (one more) well explained answer
 
9:44 PM
np
 
@Olaf I thought about that, but I still not feel confident when choosing closing reasons. Thank you!
 
@Olaf 'Silly me! I check the datasheet of my motor and did a multi meter test. i wired the A+ and A= wrongly to the easy driver board'.
Post on SO first, check the hardware after. Timewaster:(
 
10:00 PM
@MartinJames Oh, that. I already shuddered reading a stepper motor being controlled by Python code manipulating GPIO pins and using sleep with its completely unreliable timing. sigh it is not always good when things seem to be too simply achievable.
@MartinJames Meh, how is that different from the other "debug my rubbish" questions?
 
@Olaf ACK
@Olaf Most post bad questions about borked software with working hardware:)
Still a waste of time, though, yes.
 
@MartinJames It's basically the same, though: they did not check the obvious, forgot something, did not rtfm, you name one. youtube.com/watch?v=PXB-5MbKBgs
 
10:22 PM
I'd like to get a dynamic massage myself, but having a hard time arranging it
 
 
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11:33 PM
@Machavity I worked on this for awhile. Most of the questions left are R, Matlab or Python, so it needs some attention from people more familiar with those tags, I guess.
 
@Radiodef Nice. I see the count went down. Appreciate the help
 

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