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12:27 AM
 
 
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1:51 AM
@NathanOliver yep; we can disprove the heck out of something, but can likely never ultimately or universally prove something. Though practically (within the scope of the human experience) we can reliably 'prove' most things
 
2:15 AM
@TylerH Yep, btw, did you comment on the latest commit strip?
 
2:29 AM
@NathanOliver yes
 
OK. I though I recognized your name
 
You didn't recognize the picture? :-(
 
That too
 
@Yam Possibly No MCVE now. Guess I gotta go talk to them.
 
Morning o/
 
2:32 AM
o/
 
 
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6:25 AM
@Makyen okay. I guess original editor was in haste of removing the c word. So were we.
 
6:39 AM
I found this question really useful, not too broad at all https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21588555/differences-between-declare-table-and-create-table Why was it closed as too broad?
it looks like a really specific question to me, and a very specific answer accepted
 
6:52 AM
Hiya \o
 
o/
 
7:11 AM
@barlop I can speculate that the close voters thought the topic was easy to find documentation for, but I'm not familiar with the topic or those particular tags
 
7:49 AM
@barlop To me the close reason is wrong, either it's a duplicate or it should be open, I'm voting to reopen.
just to clarify my reasoning easy to find documentation, which was probably why the choose to close, is not a close reason (we could shut down SO if it was).
 
8:33 AM
Is tag-search, when editing tags, broken for anyone else? I can add tags no problem, but when I start typing optimi it should give a drop-down menu for me to choose from; that menu doesn't show up and the three loading-squares stay blinking in the right of the tag-bar
 
8:47 AM
@Adriaan [cv-pls] No repro dude. (problem disappeared already)
 
@PetterFriberg I agree. So how would one request for it to be opened?
 
@barlop you send a reopen request see FAQ, but I already did and other people agreed, so it's open now
@barlop this is the request I sent chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/90230?m=42197213#42197213, since it has been reopened it was archived in another room.
 
9:08 AM
@PetterFriberg Thanks
 
@SmokeDetector First time, benefit of doubt. Second time, modflag.
 
@MichaelDodd OP removed the link
 
@SurajRao Yeah, I saw. Retracted my flag.
 
@barlop since you have >3K, you can also just vote to reopen, that will push it SO's reopen queue and other users will review it from there.
@SurajRao the text seems pretty much plagiarized from this javatutorial.net/set-java-home-windows-10.. (remove the images and you get exactly same texts) I get a few doubts.. not sure maybe mod flag that remove that content
 
9:29 AM
@PetterFriberg so basically that blog is also plagiarized content.. smh. flagging for moderator
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah, that looks like it should be custom mod-flagged for plagiarism.
 
Great thanks, yeah that stuff is hardly in good faith, more copy pasting stuff to own blog then promoting it on SO to get traffic... too much mess for us to consider it good faith.
 
 
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11:25 AM
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Q: Burninante [javax] tag?

PiroTag javax has info: Pointless catch-all tag. Do not use. For removal. It has 23 followers, 199 questions. If it's meaning should be javax package of java I do not see how such tag would be helpful. So it should be burninated?

 
Sam
11:38 AM
o/
 
11:59 AM
Is getting an upvote within 15 seconds after posting an answer problematic? And more specifically: does it warrant a flag? I'm talking about this answer which just contained the first line of text and code at the time of posting
 
12:20 PM
@IanKemp Just FYI, there's no recent activity on that question. We could spend all day closing old inactive questions, so we ask that there be some recent activity
@Adriaan Not necessarily. There's some people out there with the view that "newbies need upvotes", even if their question is horrible
 
@Machavity it's the answer I'm talking about; he has 3k rep, not very new. OP won't have upvoted him (I think) that fast, as they'd need to copy the solution, run it, validate it, then upvote; any experienced MATLAB used would've read that in 5 seconds and established that it was correct.
 
Well, the OP has enough rep to upvote so maybe they did it
and it's accepted now
 
But then who (well, besides me who was editing the thing) has the page open all the time
 
@Adriaan Someone giving you a bad name :P ^
 
@Adriaan Perhaps someone else who was also answering but was beaten to the punch mid-answer. I know I've done that a couple of times.
 
12:29 PM
The problem with a single upvote is it's not a pattern
 
@Machavity love it, left a comment :P
@Machavity yea, I already cross-referenced OP and answerer, no correlation there. I'll leave it be then
@Adriaan should be typo now; OP admitted it in the comments.
 
Man, the people coming out of the woodwork to suggest we keep [gaming]
 
o/
 
@NathanOliver time for the first beer of the day, I think that constitutes 'afternoon' :D
 
12:42 PM
\o
 
@Adriaan AFAIK there is no designated beer time in UGT.
 
Heh, wish I had a beer o'clock today, or tomorrow for that matter
got to be good until Sunday afternoon
 
@E_net4 Depends on whether I'm on holiday and whether temperatures are above 25C; both drastically lower the necessary time (on a 24h clock) required to start with beer, especially now that there's proper tasting 2.5% beer available
@Yam code deleted and then self-deleted the entire question. I rolled back the edit, let it stay deleted if they want
mhm, should've removed my down vote earlier on. Oh well
 
12:59 PM
Should be burninated?
 
Sam
> DO NOT USE - prefer constructive questions, or use more descriptive tags.
Well...
 
@user202729 Yeah, You'll have to make a meta post for it. see: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324070/…
 
@PraveenKumar echo null; produces no output
 
@Machavity LoL.
Yes!
 
Sam
 
meta seems to be in more chaos than usual .
 
@SurajRao How can you tell?
 
voting ring questions 3 atleast.. a new user that is acting like a fishing expedition meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/366292/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/366302/…
so yeah more chaos than usual
 
1:35 PM
No MCVE ^
 
Sam
Thoughts on this question? No mcve doesn't quite fit, but I'm not sure if any other reason works.
 
I would edit the link out and then decide
 
@Sam Well, it's certainly got an... interesting... example URL. Best to edit that out
likewise for the answer
 
I edited the link
 
Sam
@MichaelDodd Yeah, I thought of that. But we don't yet know if that link is integral to the question. The error may not arise if he uses another site.
Still an awkward situation nevertheless.
 
1:42 PM
flagged the comment as no longer needed
Think it needs a few more flags
 
I put one on it
 
Which one?
 
2nd comment in question
 
Oh, so it probably deleted already - no 2nd comment there
 
Ron
1:58 PM
o/
 
Sam
\o
 
Ron
Friday ftw!
 
@Ron Vrijmibo time :D
 
Ron
@Adriaan Haha, one more hour to go.
 
Nop, now :D
See you all, have a good weekend
 
Ron
1:59 PM
It's smoothie for me, my drinking days are over.
 
\o
Taraa Mr Pink Elephant person
 
Ron
@Adriaan Have a nice weekend.
 
Offsite resource I think
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
2:10 PM
@Sam I'm currently watching 758 questions.
 
2:23 PM
@SmokeDetector voted to delete
@SmokeDetector somewhat edited
 
2:39 PM
@NathanOliver why o why do people keep adding random garbage to get around the "too much code" limit :(
 
@Adriaan Because they have question and no stupid algorithm is going to stop them from asking it.
 
@NathanOliver sure, but you could add more information on what the code does, as opposed to garbage. Even any barely-useful description is better than garbage...
 
But I already said what I needed to, it's the stupid algorithms fault. I'll teach that stupid algorithm who's boss.
 
Mental note: don't upset Nathan
 
Sam
*rene
 
2:51 PM
lol
 
rene is the rational one
 
@Sam pff, flowers are small; besides, I know what whisky he likes; one dram and that flower's boozed to the brim.
 
Sam
@Adriaan I thought he only drank the finest triple purified mountain water?
 
@Sam Triple distilled mountain water OK?
 
@Adriaan He likes whisky? Now I adore him even more ;)
 
2:57 PM
@honk I once made the mistake of bringing a bottle when I went to visit him.
 
@Adriaan I see, I need to tell you my address ;)
 
Hi @Yam
 
Need to go to bed. Nite all! o/
 
@honk knight!
 
3:01 PM
o/
 
Sam
o/
 
o/
 
So, A guy walks into a bar... it really hurt.. the end
 
rimshot
 
3:11 PM
@NathanOliver I hoped for a link to rene's profile
 
lol
can't link to user profiles :(
 
rene is not a user
 
@Yam what does that mean?
 
Sam
3:21 PM
@Yam help
 
Yam
@Sam I'm a chatbot that monitors requests to see if they warrant reviewing. I post reports when a question receives a non-trivial edit; where 'non-trivial' is defined by calculating the Damerau-Levenshtein distance between revisions. You can check out what I can do by using: commands. My repository can be found here.
 
@mickmackusa Yam tells you when a question you CVed has been edited, in case you want to reopen
 
Holy shiz! Awesome stuff oozes from this site. Very cool. Applause to the author(s).
 
@mickmackusa Er, might wanna rephrase that first part
 
Yep, it's moved into spam territory now
 
Ron
3:46 PM
How long does it take to clear up a bad(ish) credit record with a bank in your corner of the world?
A month, 6 months or a year?
cricket sounds
 
AFAIK you don't really clean up a credit report with bank in the US. You do that with the credit report agency. Unless you dispute the report and git it removed I believe it stays on your report for 7 years.
 
Ron
I see. Appreciate it.
 
4:06 PM
Weird, I had a +15 rep notification but when I clicked the rep icon I had +10 on SO and +10 on MSE... but I went through my top 20 sites and don't see anything that would add up to -5...
 
operation get all teh repz still undetected
 
4:30 PM
@rene or anyone who uses SEDE - is there a query written already to find questions with the most number of downvotes (not the lowest score)?
 
@TylerH yes, plenty
 
@NathanOliver This answer defending [gaming] says C++ in gaming is different than normal C++. Would you agree?
 
@TylerH here is another/fresh one: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/842598
 
@Machavity It is. You approach the problem differently. Personally I'm in favor of renaming the tag [game-development] and giving it a cleaning.
 
4:43 PM
@rene thanks
 
Sam
@SmokeDetector not offensive according to google
 
5:04 PM
Looks like they just rolled out a new build for Channels... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions?sort=active
 
5:28 PM
@EJoshuaS They didn't even spell Colorado correctly...
 
@TylerH Yeah, that was rather blatant spam, but the spelling does seem to add insult to injury.
 
I would hate to be in Colorado today... air quality is sure to drop
 
Wow, a new question was just closed in 58 seconds. Not bad.
 
@EJoshuaS it is not very welcoming ...
 
5:43 PM
@rene True... but still, I really do wish that more people would read the help center before posting. The question wasn't so good.
 
sure
 
@Yam That last edit just made it worse. I wonder what's in the OP's mind...
 
@rene there are some close reasons I think shouldn't be available for the first 24 hours or so after posting. Namely, no MCVE.
 
If a user asked an on-topic question but just didn't include an MCVE, we should give them time to include one by asking for it in the comments (since closing questions is a way lower hill to climb than reopening one)
For stuff that's too broad, pob, blatantly off-topic, yeah close away the moment it is asked
Only reason I don't think unclear should be removed for 24h too is for cases where someone asks a Q in a foreign language, which is an edge case admittedly but we don't have a good alternate prescribed reason other than 'other'
 
5:58 PM
I'm afraid if you remove that there will be so many unanswerable questions.
but feel free to suggest it
 
@TylerH Although, you could argue that if the OP doesn't want their question closed they should just formulate it well from the outset.
Is my previous post worth a del-pls request, since the OP's just making edits that don't help?
Out of curiosity, is it considered "bad" to answer a question that you downvoted? I know you're not supposed to answer stuff that you VTC (because if you VTC by definition that means that you think that it shouldn't be answered).
 
@EJoshuaS Downvoting and answering isn't that far out IMO, although it probably means that you could improve the question yourself.
 
6:19 PM
 
6:33 PM
@EJoshuaS I don't think that's a fair argument because nobody wants their question closed. It's just a matter of being new to the site or not knowing the rules. We should expect people to comply with the rules but I don't blame them for not knowing all of them when asking their first question
 
@FireAlarm Might need to check that error out @NobodyNada
 
It's trivial for us because we've been here for years but people who join the site and ask are totally justified IMO for feeling attacked when 6 people jump in and all post the same comment and downvote their question saying "put some effort in why don't you" etc.
Now, if we ask them to include an MCVE and they refuse or don't respond or think it's not necessary... closevote away :-)
 
@NathanOliver It's borderline for me. Asking for why someone else used a coding convention. I think it's just meh, and I leave those be
 
@Machavity The title probably ended with a backslash, I guess
 
@NobodyNada Close. Had one in the middle
 
6:43 PM
@Machavity np. That's what I wound up doing
 
6:59 PM
Does this question seem off-topic?
 
Sam
7:38 PM
@Yam stats
 
Yam
@Sam I'm currently watching 753 questions.
 
7:48 PM
@E_net4 OP edited again cc @EJoshuaS
 
@rene Still poorly explained, though. :(
 
 
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11:48 PM
@WiktorStribiżew "no attempt" is only a valid close reason if the question is a homework problem. While this question might be "too broad" or "unclear" (although, it's clear IMO), it doesn't immediately read as a homework problem to me.
 

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