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12:00 AM
Here the top 1% richest people for something like 40% of the taxes of nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax. That is just plain ridiculous.
 
uh, restate plix, I think you some grammar.
 
yeah some words got dropped.
Here the top 1% richest people pay something like 40% of the taxes and nearly half of Americans pay no federal income tax. That is just plain ridiculous.
Our richest are paying FAR more than their share, while nearly half of the people pay nothing into the system.
 
@JimNorton rediculous in which way? That the rich should be paying more or less?
 
actually, I'm pretty sure that if you check the amount of money those 1% have, it's not very disproportionate at all
 
@MooingDuck Mostly in that everybody should be paying something... we shouldn't have 48% paying nothing in federal taxes.
 
12:04 AM
the reason that statistic looks ridiculous is because you're comparing the number of people by cardinality, rather than by the true quantity of money involved.
 
@JimNorton also: top bracket is currently 35%
 
I'm not making these numbers up. You can find them at irs.gov
 
@JimNorton he knows they're real numbers, he's saying that you are misunderstanding what "fair" should look like
 
Is it fair that nearly half of the American population pay nothing into the federal tax system?
 
@JimNorton It is if their earnings constitute a minor quantity of the overall economy.
 
12:07 AM
Even if it's just a damn dollar.. they should pay something.
 
eh
the money spent trying to claim that dollar from them would probably be more than the dollar itself
 
@JimNorton I think the number is actually far less than 40%. You only get 40% if you subtract what they receive from the government.
 
Even our so called "poor" can afford to pay $20 a year on taxes.
 
To not pay any income tax, you have to make less than 6k per year.
 
@RadekSlupik I completely haven't noticed that. You're normal. Like everybody else.
 
12:08 AM
@JimNorton That does not mean that claiming that $20 is worth the cost, though.
 
@JimNorton Are you at work now? (curiousity...)
 
@sehe Yes, on my lunch break.
 
Ohahaha. For a moment there I thought I'd be applying for another job.
 
@sehe ?
 
My lunch breaks are usually <10 minutes. Then again, whenever I do something with sourcecontrol I can spend 3 minutes in SO chat
 
12:11 AM
@sehe I come to stackoverflow multiple times throughout my work day to take little breaks.
@sehe I get an hour for lunch.
 
Whoa
 
That is normal for a corporate engineering / professional position.
At least where I live.
 
@sehe in America we get one or two 15 minute paid breaks, and an unpaid hour lunch.
 
Where do you work sehe?
 
Software firm in the Netherlands
 
12:15 AM
"A study we conducted at the Tax Policy Center found that Washington would have to raise taxes by almost 40 percent to reduce -- not eliminate, just reduce -- the deficit to 3 percent of our GDP, the 2015 goal the Obama administration set in its 2011 budget. That tax boost would mean the lowest income tax rate would jump from 10 to nearly 14 percent, and the top rate from 35 to 48 percent."
 
@MooingDuck I'd be willing to pay more in taxes, as long as the increase was spread more or less evenly. I already pay nearly $31K in taxes a year.
 
I have nothing against paying tax
 
@DeadMG Neither do I. Only when the money is wasted.
 
but I do object when it goes into things which only benefit some subset of the population, like art galleries and such shit
 
@DeadMG Agreed.
 
12:18 AM
As long as taxes are proportional to income, I consider paying taxes a privilige. I'd gladly pay more of it. As much as possible, in fact.
 
@JimNorton and it's only about 20% who don't pay any income tax, the other 25% simply get the money back.
@sehe US taxes aren't proportional. The more you make, the higher the percentage.
 
@MooingDuck So that really means roughly 48% pay no taxes when all is said and done.
 
@JimNorton Right, but you're focusing on completely the wrong statistic.
 
If I pay you 20 and you give it back to me in a month, have I really paid anything?
 
@MooingDuck That's still what I mean. Obviously, it's the same elsewhere. It fits the income distribution, too
 
12:20 AM
the real question is how much money that 48% make, compared to how much money the top 1% make.
 
see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… for exact figures
 
in the UK, the richest actually pay a lower proportion of their income total, because they employ many tax avoidance schemes
 
People claim that about the US as well, but the numbers show otherwise.
 
@MooingDuck In holland, we have a progressive tax system too and last year I was shocked to hear that "the wealthy" were complaining that 10% of the most rich were allegedly paying ~80% of all taxes.
 
If taxes are proportional to income it stands to reason that the rich pay more and the poor pay less or nothing at all. But our taxes aren't exactly proportional
 
12:22 AM
@JimNorton Right. But that has nothing to do with how many people are paying it. It has everything to do with how much income is in each band
 
Apr 10 at 10:49, by sehe
@thecoshman Just last week I was in shock when someone on national radio had setup a debat around this central statement:
 
@DeadMG As I said roughly 48% pay next to nothing. Doesn't sound proportional at all.
 
@JimNorton And as I said, that's an irrelevant fact.
 
So not last year, but 'last tax round'
 
@sehe in the US the top 10% paid 70.47% in 2009
 
12:23 AM
the number of people who pay nothing is irrelevant, what matters is how much they make as a group.
 
@DeadMG It's NOT irrelevant. They make money, receive benefits from the government and pay nothing...
 
Yup. Call me a socialist, but let's face it: those top 10% rich wouldn't make nearly the amount of money if it weren't for the many many workers they employ.
 
@JimNorton It's absolutely irrelevant. How much money do they make? That's what's relevant.
 
@DeadMG here's numbers if you want to try to explain yourself better: heritage.org/federalbudget/top10-percent-income-earners.
 
Now, with all that comes responsibility, which is worth compensation, and the 'workers' could be considered 'less enterprising' rather than 'less fortunate' (...) but all in all, when you can even afford to pay 80% of the country's total tax there is no basis for a complaint, really.
 
12:26 AM
right, now that is a little more meaningful
of course, you have the problem that the top 1% make more money than all the bottom 50% put together
 
Top earners are the target for new tax increases, but the federal income tax system is already highly progressive. The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71 percent of all federal income taxes in 2009 though they earned 43 percent of all income. The bottom 50 percent paid 2 percent of income taxes but earned 13 percent of total income. About half of tax filers paid no federal income tax at all.
Does that seem fair to anybody?
 
Yes
 
absolutely
the top 10 percent of people earn 43% of all the money?
you're damn right I expect them to pay more.
 
It just doesn't seem linear. Well, linear sucks.
 
If you earn 43% of the money, why should you pay %71 of the tax burden?
 
12:28 AM
because you're only 10% of the people
the income inequality between 10% of the people earn 43% of the money, and 50% of the people earn 13% of the money?
that inequality is vastly larger than the inequality in tax burden
 
@DeadMG I see. You believe in income equality. Hah! This conversation is over. We are WAY too far apart to agree on anything.
 
I never said I believed that income equality should be perfection
 
I don't believe income should be spread evenly.... Not everybody works as hard or impacts society as much.
 
@JimNorton Look at it the other way around. Why is it fair that those 10% earn 43% of the money? This is about wealth distribution. Wake up? Wealth distribution is important to the stability of a country. This benefits both rich and poor
 
@sehe I've been wondering about a linear system, where the first $25000 is untaxed.
 
12:30 AM
@JimNorton "income equality" - what is that, even
 
I'm only saying that the existing inequality in income is far larger than the existing inequality in tax
 
@JimNorton he never said nor implied that
anyway, I'm off. Later all
 
So what is fair then?
 
@JimNorton The point is, the top 10% making 43% of the money cannot possibly be about working harder. It will be that part "having more impact" (creating jobs, really) - then. Like I said before, that merits reward but:
 
@MooingDuck Later
 
12:31 AM
5 mins ago, by sehe
Now, with all that comes responsibility, which is worth compensation, and the 'workers' could be considered 'less enterprising' rather than 'less fortunate' (...) but all in all, when you can even afford to pay 80% of the country's total tax there is no basis for a complaint, really.
 
defining fair is decidedly non-trivial
if it is even possible
 
(the 80% referred to the - very similar - Dutch stats, btw)
 
however, if it were me, I would levy taxes on savings and holdings, not income
 
@DeadMG Then nobody would save.
 
@DeadMG Which is why I refer to wealth distribution as a factor to stability and welfare
 
12:33 AM
@JimNorton Indeed. Companies like Apple and EA would be forced to spend their ridiculous cash reserves and actually put that money back into the economy, instead of just taking it out.
 
If I was considered "rich" I wouldn't mind paying MORE than those less fortunate. However, there should be a limit of what is placed on the backs of the so called RICH.
 
however, in general, I believe that the root cause of the current crisis is, simply put, that Western nations did not allow their banks to go bankrupt
IMO if you recklessly lend, you should be on the hook just as much as if you recklessly borrow
 
@DeadMG Now that I agree with.
 
and endlessly paying back China in return for recklessly lending to us is stupid.
 
A lot of the very rich families appear to be about power, not driving welfare or economy. Having a lot of cash reserves equates to power: It's a bit like an arms race. ("I could out-bid/out-spend <faction A/country B/lobby C>"; Heck "I could buy all of Greece")
 
12:36 AM
@sehe That may be the case. But who should decide how much money is too much for a person to have?
 
@JimNorton Are you saying there is no limit? As long as the tax rate <100%....
 
Have you all read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand?
 
@JimNorton Erm... You? Me? Society? Congress? Tax law? You know, that's how it works?
 
@JimNorton Society in general, of course.
 
@sehe I'm saying if the liberals have it their way, the rich will continue to pay more and more to the point where it will make no sense to strive to be successful and the system will be broken for good.
 
12:38 AM
eh
 
@JimNorton Nope. Sounds interesting
 
IMO there's a big difference between successful, and billionaire
 
Well hey, my lunch break is over. I enjoyed the debate very much. Have a good night everybody.
 
how nice should I feel this evening, should I write a description and a good example of how to create custom iterators for iterating several containers (making them look like one to the developer using the iterator)? stackoverflow.com/questions/11110486/…
 
bb
 
12:41 AM
@JimNorton Many countries have seen their 'richer' communities volunteer to pay more taxes - they can see how it will help them avoid the crisis from affecting them. You know, that is the power of the 'proletariat' if you want to look at it cynically: the 'rich' stand to lose more, which is partly why it makes sense for them to worry more/pay more in insurance etc. etc.
@JimNorton Ok :) Cheers
 
12:52 AM
:hi
i am confused with my homework for my university
I have to write some mysql queries until tomorrow morning
Anyone who have the time and the knowledge to help me?
Thx in advance
 
why don't you write a proper question?
 
i cannot ask questions in stackoverflow
When i hit the ask button i see a page which says:"Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions from this account. See http://goo.gl/C1Kwu to learn more."
 
that only happens when you abuse the site.
 
what do you mean?
 
the only reason an account is prevented from asking questions is because their previous questions are of universally poor quality and show no improvement despite the best efforts of the community
 
12:58 AM
silly question's with few words
what can i do to unblock my account?
 
@ChrisP for starters you can read what's written under the link you just pasted
 
@ChrisP I suppose you can flag for moderator attention or post a question about it on meta.stackoverflow.com (yes, I believe that still works)
@ChrisP Read the linked answer?
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A: What can I do when getting "Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"? (the answer is here, in this post)

ArjanWhy am I getting this message? As stated clearly in the about links on every page, the Stack Exchange web sites are question and answer sites, not help forums. This implies that all posts are expected to have some value for later visitors too. To enforce that, and to prevent help vampires making...

It said so right there:
> See goo.gl/C1Kwu to learn more
 
I understand
 
The 'What can I do to release the ban? How can I reactivate my account?' section has all the advise you need.
Well, except the mysql advice, I guess
 
but i haven't enought time to do this
 
1:02 AM
well, I guess you should have thought of that before
 
@ChrisP Ok, in all other cases - don't ask to ask.
@DeadMG No need to judge. It is possible that he's just a clueless case of heuristics... Yeah I know, probabilities etc. but let's not (unless you actively looked at the offending questions?)
 
Maybe if i register with a new account?
from my proxy server to change my address
 
@ChrisP May or may not work. Accounts can be easily correlated
@ChrisP What do you expect us to say? Go right ahead, here is how to circumvent the quality measures on Stack Overflow?
Nah, we actively guard the quality on Stack Overflow. I cannot judge whether you deserve the question ban, but it would be slightly strange for me to start advising on how to get around it
@ChrisP So: Do something. Try it. Contact support. Heck, just ask a question. But stop asking questions about asking questions or technicalities of bans, because we're not interested :)
 
We are not an alternative form of the "Ask Question" button.
 
@DeadMG Thank you. @ChrisP I've seen your posting in the PHP room. That kind of 'dumping' is, obviously not a welcome thing
@ChrisP Spend the time you lose posting here actually learning how to do stuff? w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
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@DeadMG I'm off, sleep well
 
1:55 AM
nite kids*
 
 
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5:01 AM
Morning.
 
morning
 
evening
 
5:50 AM
hello , guys
 
@ScottW any book on clothe semilation !
hello !
 
6:03 AM
I stole @Pubby's Gravatar style.
 
6:23 AM
xD
 
6:35 AM
Make it smaller!
 
@sehe whoa! “Normal” got a whole new definition today!
@ScottW old.
@Maxpm when I only looked at your avatar with one eye I really thought you were @Pubby.
 
:D
 
@ScottW middelbaar
My Dutch teacher once asked what a MILF was.
 
I'm still working on it. I'm trying to squeeze it into a 16x16 square while keeping the lines reasonably thick.
@RadekSlupik Oh my god.
 
@Maxpm don't worry. Somebody from my class explained it an now he knows.
I'm hungry.
I want SPARE RIBS. <3
Pigmeat is so fucking good stuff. I thank God or whoever does exist for pigmeat existing.
 
6:47 AM
I find most meat rather repulsive.
 
Yeah but not pork.
 
That meme. Again.
 
I don't think I can properly fit three colors into this icon. :(
 
Don't. The colors are good!
 
Fuck. awoodland didn't get elected. Who am I supposed to bribe then?
 
6:57 AM
Me.
I want money.
I'll downvote ALL THE THINGS.
 
inb4 meme
 
Pork.
 
@RadekSlupik in reply to?
ah. did you have you application already?!
 
@sehe ehm that everybody is normal.
 
We could always start a resistance movement.
 
7:03 AM
And no, I have it at 2 o'clock.
@Maxpm yeah and we'll all get a free suspension with it.
 
@RadekSlupik well, on average, everybody is normal, no arguing. You're not a deviant by any stretch of imagination here.
Also I didn't actually say that quite so airtight. I think (IIRC) I said "You are normal enough - just like everybody else" [ed.: (that you usually encounter)
 
lol normally I'm the one who takes everything seriously. :p
 
Y U NO TAKE SERIOUSLY ALL THE THINGS!?
 
Everything is every thing and thus all the things.
 
@RadekSlupik Good. You could just say "Oh, that's for Engels anyway; ask the teacher :)"
 
7:07 AM
I had the weirdest dream.
 
Do tell :) Bacon? Or Pork?
And Jelly too?
 
JELLY
 
I dreamt about programming in Python and then on the NOS Journaal came that the creator of Python died. XD
Also bacon is pork.
 
@ScarletAmaranth "niteki ds" sounds like a fine brand name in the Nintendo family
 
Super Nintendo. I have had so much fun with it. Donkey Kong Country is best video game ever.
 
7:11 AM
@RadekSlupik Aw. Your language abuse, apparently, so urgently required the language of the to roll over in his grave that it actually made him die early to make that possible
Video Game :)
Also, Super Nintendo. 128kB of RAM. Awesome
 
I expected a link to TV Tropes.
 
One of the first consoles with DRM, IYAM <-- evil
 
Of course “video game”. DKC is the best video game, not the best game.
 
Hobby Horse?
 
The best game is either chess, curling, Pim-pam-pet, or drawf tossing.
 
7:14 AM
lol - drawfism
 
I once pwnd a friend in chess in under a minute.
Never played curling or dwarf tossing, though.
The latter is made illegal by the UN.
 
Jeez. I wonder whether this would be spam...:
> BMW X6 السيارة و750،000.00 جنيه استرليني جنيه استرليني. الاتصال بالسيد جيمس كوكر، مع الاسم الكامل الخاص بك: الدولة: رقم الهاتف: العمر.
البريد الإلكتروني: bmwagentmrjamescoker@yahoo.co.uk
 
It is.
 
My spam filter didn't think so :)
 
o_O
 
7:19 AM
Some Arabic idiot wants to sell you a BMW, aka blik met wielen.
VW Transporter > all the cars.
 
Nope. They inform me, I've won a BMW X6 and 750k Pound Sterling
 
Oh lolz :p
 
Think I ought to claim the prize
 
Don't. VW Transporter is much better.
 
Well, I could sell it and buy two of those with the returns
 
7:23 AM
 
@RadekSlupik classic epicness
 
@sehe you cannot. You won't get any thing.
 
That is a nice car. I'm not sure I'd feel safe in it, though
 
VW Transporter T1 is the best car ever. I think it counts as an old timer and it does run on diesel, so once you have it it's cheap as fuck to drive.
 
"cheap as fuck"?
You know how much that thing drinks? You know how much does a litre of diesel cost these days?
 
7:27 AM
You don't have to pay any taxes if you drive an old timer.
 
You're serious underestimating both these factors.
 
Diesel is cheaper than gasoline.
 
Not by much.
 
You could replace the engine with a less thirsty one. XD
 
Or buy an entirely different car.
 
7:28 AM
Which might be cheaper than replacing the engine.
 
No, those suck.
 
Also, that's a hippy car. You were born too late, it seems.
 
Replacing the engine will mean one of two things: you take an engine from another one of the same model, which is as just thirsty; or you have to replace a lot more than the engine, because car parts are not plug-and-play.
 
Fuck it. Cars are unhealthy anyway!
 
Plug-and-drive. There's money to be made on this.
 
7:31 AM
@sbi you posted a picture that made them look a bit gross
 
I'll use the robot as the engine.
 
That picture looks gross?
Well. Ok.
 
Lol.
Everything looks gross when sufficiently magnified.
 
Except for bacon, which will still look decent.
 
7:34 AM
The magnifying glass was invented by Bacon.
 
^^ Can we make this a standard comment?
@RMartinhoFernandes Bacon was invented by Bacon
 
@Konrad you should file a bug report that SE uses a hyphen to indicate a negative score.
 
You're making bacon boring.
 
I just watched all of that^ just... in order to find out whether there was some kind of epic punchline/clue to it
 
@RadekSlupik Been there, done that, got the t-shirt
 
7:35 AM
Yeah that's weird. My - doesn't get hyphenated
 
It is a hyphen.
 
No
Konrad's is. Mine isn't.
 
@KonradRudolph No, because I don't think all questions lacking SSCCE warrant a downvote. I'll more frequently just downvote, or just ask for a SSCCE
 
@RadekSlupik To be fair, my “–1” is also typographically wrong, I’m too lazy to pull up the character viewer so I just use an en-dash instead of a minus
 
mawnin
 
7:36 AM
@Cicada Makes me so curious what word got censored there
 
@sehe Oh, you.
 
@sehe But if they make the question unanswerable? (Which is what I meant, should have said that)
 
By the way, aren't there different characters for minus as the opposite of addition and minus as a negative number?
 
I'll more frequently just downvote, or just ask for a SSCCE
If there's no hope: just downvote. If there is, ask for SSCCE.
 
@RadekSlupik No.
 
7:37 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes oh ok.
 
@RadekSlupik Depends on the device
On PC AFAIK no.
 
If it sticks around and people are wasting energy inspite of the SSCCE remaining absent, I'll move to -1
 
@sehe I'll just always downvote.
 
Lazy bastard's gonna be lazy :)
 
SSCCE is such a difficult acronym to remember.
 
7:38 AM
Especially when they have <20 rep.
More chance they leave.
 
@Maxpm Not if you typed it twice
I rather have them adapt+learn
 
> –1 for lack of SCSI.
 
@sehe too lazy.
 
If you make SO newbie-hostile, it will slow stop being of relevance
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> -1 for lack of HPC
 
hmm, VS question. Inside a VC++ project, you can create filters so all files of a certain type automatically go in a filter/folder (like the default source/header/resource ones). Is it possible to do something similar for projects? Basically, we have a number of projects in our solution that I'd like to tuck away so they don't clutter up the top level project list
 
7:41 AM
I don't have anything against newbies, as long as they act normal and think before they post something.
 
@RadekSlupik you mean as long as they're not newbies
 
Anyone with a decent brain would understand that it makes no sense to ask a question and expect an answer if you give no details.
 
-1
Q: Does Python standard collections suck?

mrhaniaMy post is based on this entry. Let's take a deque first: A deque (double-ended queue) is represented internally as a doubly linked list. (Well, a list of arrays rather than objects, for greater efficiency.) Both ends are accessible, but even looking at the middle is slow, and adding to or re...

 
@jalf Yes, you can have solution folders.
 
No need to tell them that.
 
7:42 AM
Also -1, it's a rant, not a question. — Cat Plus Plus 52 secs ago
Ohohoho the irony.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but with folders I have to explicitly put each individual project into it. I'm looking for a setup so that all projects which match a specific name pattern automatically go into it
 
What irony?
 
OK, here's a simpler icon.
 
I don't think so, then.
 
7:42 AM
Just one color, though. :(
 
@Maxpm let me refresh.
 
cmake generates some projects which are really only used by the build system, not really intended for us to fiddle with, so we don't really want to have to look at them :/
 
Meh fuck caches.
 
Here's an image link:
 
Nice.
 
7:44 AM
@CatPlusPlus The question is indeed unsuitable for SO, but that comment coming from one of the biggest ranters of this room made me smile :)
 
If anything, that makes me qualified to identify a rant when I see one.
 
Your acuteness is impressive indeed.
 
Aren't map and filter generators?
 
My cuteness is, too.
 
filter is awesome.
 
7:45 AM
@Maxpm That's actually more like a puppy.
 
Yeah, I can see that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I remember finding out that filter isn't
 
Generators gonna generate.
Functions gonna function.
 
@sehe I see a bottle
 
7:47 AM
@sehe Ah, that sucks.
 
@Neil Yeah, don't get me started, I can see other stuff too
 
@sehe You're a word
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Easy to write one based on yield
@Neil Misspelled twice now
 
At least you spelled misspell correctly.
Every time I see someone misspell misspell, it makes me want to rage
 
@Neil you mean “every time”?
 
7:49 AM
And now, for something entirely different:
it's a moose :)
 
@TonyTheLion I was expecting tits.
For some reason.
 
@Cicada well, did I pleasantly surprise you with my moose?
 
@TonyTheLion Isn't that a meese
 
@Cicada just admit it, you also think I'm some sex-obsessed-freak that has nothing better to do than troll this room with boobs or vaginas.
 
7:51 AM
@sehe In 2.x. They return views in 3.x.
 
@TonyTheLion Because you are!
 
@Cicada not sure if genuine question ¬_¬ or trying to be funny
 
In 2.x there's itertools.imap and itertools.ifilter.
 
@Cicada no
@RMartinhoFernandes wut?
 
@CatPlusPlus Is 'views' the new fashion term for it in Python3?
 
7:52 AM
I'm in denial
 
Or just generator expressions.
@sehe They call it that, dunno if they're internally different from generators.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah and [x in list where condition] IIRC (or am I confusing other languages now?)
 
(x for x in xs if condition)
 
@TonyTheLion Weird. I could have sworn it was a meese.
Oh well, these days with globalization, you never know.
 
If you replace () with [] it's list comprehension.
 
7:54 AM
I'm adding a -1 because you didn't even read what you quoted on the question. — R. Martinho Fernandes 50 secs ago
 
Morning fellas
 
@TonyTheLion Then this is more what I'd expect:
 
@sehe Those aren't tits either. :(
 
@Neil {.}{.}
There you go
 
@Neil Well blimey. Back to school for me then.
@CatPlusPlus That looks familiar :)
 
7:58 AM
@sehe Hippopotamus
They're called Hippopotamus, @sehe.
 
Titopotamus?
Gosh, WTF did I just say?
 
Tittohopamus
 
Ugh. I give up. Graphic design is not for me. Good night/morning/afternoon/day. @_@
 
Please, dear Mr. Neil, repeat it one more time?
Also, when you do, think of the meaning, etymology and then what my picture was a response to. Thank you
 

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