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1:49 AM
@DaveRandom 'effin kids.
@PeeHaa 'effin kids.
@Allenph 'effin kids.
@Tiffany 'effin kids.
 
@Danack how old were you?
 
@Tiffany ,,,,,29
 
@Ekin I was 7 :-D
@Danack didn't realize you were over 40 already?!
 
@bwoebi 'effin kids.
 
2:51 AM
posted on March 14, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
I'm having difficulty to fix this issue, whenever I wrote php code inside modal, modal isn't appearing after clicking it.
here is the sample source code: pastebin.com/Ce8sPPHZ
 
3:23 AM
morning
 
morning
is there's anybody know how to encode some string so it becomes Double-clicking selectable?
Perhaps Base58, But Base58 encoding accepts only int value!
 
Wes
@Adam it's system dependent
the best you can do is make it alphanumeric
other characters may not work in some systems
 
@Wes I would, but it's JWT encoding.
eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJwcmVmaXgiOiJYWDEiLCJ1c2VySUQiOjM1NH0.phW‌​2KEnB5AuivEZyqOmSx9R0yFkfSBTxd_8qIJALTbY
I'm using that as API Token!
But what i'm thinking about that the user don't have to copy that key daily, so its fine to get it like that. but it looks ugly.
 
 
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Wes
6:30 AM
@JoeWatkins installing tortoisesvn
i could clone. damn the xml are making me sick
jesus
 
6:55 AM
morning
@bwoebi I was 11 :-)
 
'nin
 
hey joe ♫♬♪
 
\o
 
o/
 
@Wes excellent
 
Wes
7:10 AM
this is so disgusting tho
should be html/md based
 
morning
 
Wes
ftr it's still cloning
i think it might be stuck
 
it's so awful
 
Wes
but if i manage to do it i can update other pages i always wanted to update
ra_serf: The server sent a truncated HTTP response body.
 
sounds breaky
 
Wes
7:13 AM
it's incomplete
trying again. seems it's working now
i don't know why stuff that is on pecl should be on php.net tho
 
what stuff ?
oh you mean docs for pecl exts ?
because that's where people look for docs
 
Wes
yes but there's stuff that is 2002 old
At revision: 344506
\o/ it worked
 
yeah cleaning up is problematic, something something mirrors something something ...
I've deleted single pages before and got squeaked at
 
7:32 AM
morning
 
\o
Remembering Stephen Hawking, a renowned physicist and ambassador of science. His theories unlocked a universe of possibilities that we & the world are exploring. May you keep flying like superman in microgravity, as you said to astronauts on @Space_Station in 2014 https://t.co/FeR4fd2zZ5
 
Wes
7:52 AM
@JoeWatkins this is insane lol
if i learned how to use this i might as well be a eye surgeon or something
 
dekko British Slang. a look or glance.
 
!!dad
 
Why did Google Car switch from MD5 to SHA512? They wanted to reduce collisions.
 
Wes
@JoeWatkins should i call it cmark or commonmark?
 
folder cmark, name in text CommonMark
 
8:11 AM
@NikiC I'm rethinking this little project. It seems that at every step there's a lot of PHP C code that needs to be copied and modified. Not only that, but the results are not stable or realistic, fox example, for assignments it assumed that assignment will be successful, which may not always be the case.
Considering that it ended up copying many handlers that seem to do the same thing (eg; assign from temp, var, ref; assign ref etc), it feels like potential for failure grows exponentially.
I'm now considering scanning the object store at every step and figure out the difference between previous step and generate events out of that difference.
Sounds a bit stupid considering that in most (if not all) cases, just one event will be generated (if at all).
damn.
 
Wes
@JoeWatkins it's a bit strange how you named the functions
you sure they shouldn't be lowercased?
 
what's strange ?
 
Wes
it's just that they are lowercase, normally :B function Parse
 
I'm literally working with someone who hates using git and composer
 
lol
What does he use Filezilla?
 
Wes
8:27 AM
@Ekin that's me
i use filezilla.
 
mornin
 
Wes
assholes. :B
 
@Ekin I read somewhere "don't use composer, it has security issues"
 
@Shafizadeh Pffft, cool story bro
@Ekin Are you in a position to a. fire them, b. beat them up, or c. all of the above?
 
!!urban Pffft
 
8:28 AM
[ pffft ] the sound emitted when farting
 
XD
Close enough
 
nope I am not @Madara
 
@Ekin You must be in a position to beat him up at least?
 
I can throw him stuff
doesn't solve my problem
 
8:30 AM
@Ekin Throw a chair
Problem solved
 
@Shafizadeh I read somewhere that earth is actually flat
 
Is it possible to pass variables to exec() function in php that calls an executable. e.g. I want to solve a system of linear equations and I want to pass the matrix and the column vector to the exe to solve the system
 
@tereško kidding right? :-) btw, where I read was a reliable.
 
@R1ddler What's stopping you?
 
@Shafizadeh define, please: reliable
and "security issues" is a vague term
what problems exactly does it have?
 
8:41 AM
@tereško I meant "you can trust him, since that quote came from a blog's guy who has about 100k rep on SO"
 
what .. problems
 
@R1ddler exec("matrix 1 2 3 4 5") should work
 
@tereško I don't remember honestly what was the problem exactly, and sadly that link is broken now scott.arciszewski.me/blog/2014/08/dont-use-composer-php
 
@Shafizadeh That is from 2014 btw.
 
8:44 AM
argument 1: "dangerous install instructions" is bullshit
argument 2: is just dumb - that person can't linux apparently
 
@tereško wait wait .. how did you make that link openable?
 
internet never forgets
it's called "wayback machine" .. it's one of more widely know internet archives
bottom line, @Shafizadeh: use composer
 
@tereško is linux a verb?
 
Conversion from hex string to 64-bit int returns wrong value – #76098
 
no
 
8:49 AM
@tereško also I use it ... just I don't feel good because of using it
 
but there is a long standing tradition in english to turn nouns into verbs to communicate a point
 
@tereško ah
!!urban turn in
 
[ turn in ] To go to [sleep].
 
you could !!urban all the things in the bot playground room instead
 
@Shafizadeh remember not to use anything from urban in presentations, no matter how innocent they sound/look
 
8:53 AM
I think he's using us to learn english .. that might be a terrible plan (fo further notes: see the "gangbang incident")
 
> Dario Weisser discovered that curl might dereference a near-NULL
What's near NULL?
 
@tereško :-)
 
Can't Unsee
2
 
@Gordon Yup, seems legit.
Which explains why most Shonen protagonists are braindead morons.
 
indeed… aint much room left for brains
note: I have no idea what Shonen are
 
9:04 AM
HTML <select> tag request problem at PHP server side – #76099
 
Anonymous
morning
 
\o
 
@Jeeves watt
 
@MadaraUchiha How do I do that using this function software.intel.com/sites/products/documentation/doclib/mkl_sa/… ?
 
@Gordon Shonen = anime for boys, generally action and stuff, characterized by astoundingly stupid protagonists.
 
9:20 AM
ah… tentacle porn
 
Wes
@JoeWatkins i'm trying php docgen.php -e cmark -o ... but it says that the extension does not exist
means that i have to install it in order to compile the documentation?
 
yeah
 
Wes
whoever did this docbook thing is a monster
 
@R1ddler how should I know? have you tried?
 
Wes
9:38 AM
@JoeWatkins where do i put the cmark c library when compiling the extension?
in deps?
deps/lib
 
wherever, then use --with-additional-includes and --with-additional-libs in configure
you could put it in deps I guess ...
 
@kelunik a location near the NULL address, I guess
 
Wes
it's not working
 
what's not working ?
I done a built on windows, it should be okay ...
 
Wes
Unknown option --with-additional-includes; please try configure.js --help for a list of valid options
it's extra, not additional :B
still no luck. how am i supposed to use that command?
 
9:50 AM
@Christian why are you copying assignment handlers?
in any case, why not just patch php? what you're doing does not sound like a production extension, so it's probably much easier to just patch things to do what you want
 
Wes
Checking for cmark.h ... <not found>
what's your configure joe?
 
!!friday
 
@Ekin Happy Prebeccaday!
 
almost there.
 
10:05 AM
I hate computers and I hate people and I'm not keen on animals or plants either.
9
 
/me wallows in silence
 
I wish more people would do that.
 
@DaveRandom Who hurt you?
 
I believe the correct response is "u ok hun?"
 
You may very well think that.
 
10:11 AM
Basically, computers that break all by themselves can fuck off, and people who think that complaining that it's not working and asking for an update every one minute can absolutely fuck off. Plants and animals are on their final warning, if they put one more foot wrong then they too can fuck off.
 
:( sucks... last time someone did that here, there were plenty of shouting people and ... mental breakdown
 
Why so angry, dave?
 
10:30 AM
@Danack :D
Morngins
 
o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
\o
 
Wes
o/
 
Anonymous
10:46 AM
\o
 
o/
 
o
|O
 
gyazo.com/06957c804db4302379dd21dad58afe2d do I have to manually create a composer.json file ?
 
try composer init
 
@R1ddler why don't you read that link?
 
10:58 AM
I heard that people who read things have cooties
 
composer install executes all the stuff defined in composer.json
composer init runs you through setting up your project
or do composer require if you know what you need. Not exactly sure if you need a json already defined for require
nop, compser require doesn't need a json predefined
 
@DaveRandom Who are you? Have you turned into tereško?
 
@Tschallacka .........stop teaching people to be lazy please.
 
user8080618
hey, if possible some feedback would be good
 
will try :-) @Danack
 
user8080618
11:03 AM
I started learning the PHP 8 months ago, 3 rounds of learning so far (around 20 days each with smaller breaks in between), I am taking a break now before the 4th round of learning, and it has already taken 56 days (full days off)
 
rounds?
there are rounds in learning?
 
user8080618
I've been doing things like php.net (reading the manual, page after page), phpStorm docs (not really an easy read), Murach's MySQL (book) and I will be doing Murach's Mysql and PHP, w3resource.com exercises, regex (regular-expressions.info)
 
user8080618
yes, I did 3 and I am resting for the fourth but it's been 56 days off already (long)
 
user8080618
I imagine this is normal anyway, an university degree takes like 5 years, and it has to take that long
 
are you self learning or following some sort of program?
 
11:05 AM
hmm... are you by any chance this guy?
 
user8080618
so for the php 3 years, I imagine, to learn it good (or very good) as a (again good) start
 
user8080618
self-learning
 
okay. clear, continue on :-)
 
user8080618
php.net manual (page after page; I stopped that for now); Murach's MySQL and Murachs's MySQL and PHP; w3resource.com php exercises; regular-expressions.info (this is done); phpStorm docs (done), something like this
 
user8080618
so 56 days off seems ok?
 
user8080618
11:07 AM
I am not ready for the 4th round yet
 
user8080618
like no "fuel for this", I can be sitting in front of a page and I would not be able to read a paragraph of text, something like this
 
okay. Are you feeling overwhelmed, feel a big drag when you consider coding again?
 
user8080618
no potential yet, "the RAM is still full", not empty yet, for the new material
 
user8080618
I wake up every day and I asses, I dont code yet, I am doing MySQL and MySQL and PHP - the Murach's books for this purpose
 
I think your problem is: You have a goal and you try to force your way through it by a path that seems logical.
But, that path doesn't trigger the "reward" centers of your brain
 
11:08 AM
stop reading stuff and get your hands dirty. find something simple to achieve and try to do it. that'll teach you more than most books can
 
You should find or create a project
and contribute to it
 
user8080618
people always say, learn by writing code, so I focus on that MySQL and MySQL and PHP part, maybe the most common functions too; I give priority to thigns that are needed for the practical part (the most)
 
then by creating something other people can use, you trigger the reward centers of your brain
and the learning becomes fun
 
mornin
 
user8080618
yes, w3resource.com exercises are good
 
user8080618
11:09 AM
and I understand, write code
 
@TomJohnson no, they are not. That site is a piece of shit
 
user8080618
I've been hearning this from the day #!
 
I started this project this week github.com/tschallacka/wordpress-composer-plugin-builder because I had a need with no proper answers online
 
user8080618
one, but I realized, I will learn bootstrap (I already know it) and then I did not know how to do the database and database + php part so I HAVE TO LEAR THAT (theory first, cant do that in practice yet)
 
so I started it, and I feel very rewarded knowing that in the future a future dev might have use for it too
you should get a similar trigger
and in php you learn by doing
 
user8080618
11:10 AM
simple php things I was working on like 5 years ago, I was even getting paid for that; I am doing more like proper studying of this
 
user8080618
I want to specialize in this
 
user8080618
so no shortcuts, getting to the bottom of every single things, something like that
 
@TomJohnson maybe it's time to listen
 
user8080618
this may be too demanding for anyone
 
@pmmaga lol
 
11:11 AM
@tom johnson, if you want to go to the bottom read the php source code heh
 
Aug 29 '15 at 22:41, by tereško
no, because it claims to teach everything .. same as this book: "Murach's PHP and MySQL, 2nd Edition" - also crap
 
user8080618
there is the 3rd edition now, I think, I am planning to get that, good books, probably the best
 
...
 
no, it is not
 
user8080618
I read half of the Murach's MySQL and I learned a lot of things
 
11:12 AM
are you paid to promote that book in chat?
 
@TomJohnson it is a piece of shit
 
so it;ll show up in search results?
 
user8080618
no, this is what I've found
 
then I doubt you could find your way out of an open paper bag
 
user8080618
no, not at all, I am doing php learnig, 6+ years of full time experience in all aspects of websites, and I am doing that php edu now, possibly up to 3 years, but I am stuck
 
11:13 AM
...
 
user8080618
56 days off so far and no "fuel" for learning, I wake up every day and I say, no I cant read that
 
@TomJohnson ... probably because you learned from shit books
 
100++
 
you cannot come to that conclusion after the first book you grab from the internet
 
user8080618
I did this whole regex site already, but this is what I would read next, to finish it off
 
> I can't count how many PHP books I have purchased over the years trying to learn the language. Murach's was the first book that helped me grasp the concepts and got me onto actually scripting in PHP. sauce
> years
 
user8080618
and 8am in the morning I decide, no I cant do that yet, after like 56 days off, full, not doing anything else
 
Well tom, maybe it's time to face the truth
 
is this a bot?
 
it's not your thing
feels like it
probaly to promote that book
 
user8080618
11:14 AM
no, I would not say that @Tschallacka - this is what I want to do naturally
 
user8080618
the "vocation" part is fully there, also 6+ years of websites - seo, social media, scripts, linux adimn, all this
 
user8080618
I am not promoting anything, but I think that these books are good, if not the best for this and MySQL is the core, I think, so I want to learn this
 
How can you know that they are the best? You have a sample size of one.
 
user8080618
something along the lines of Mysql / PHP + bootstrap + most common functions (could be like 200) and then I would put more accent on the practical part
 
They are also the worst in your sample
 
11:16 AM
I think it is a bot ... or mabe an overly excited indian ... it's hard to tell
 
user8080618
I've been searching for books on the net, for the MySQL probably this one is the best, I looked at all of them
 
it's either generated text or someone with poor grammar
 
user8080618
what I am doing may be too hard, I am like climbing on a mountan instead of walking up
 
user8080618
the result would be or will be better, but it is hard
 
@DaveRandom could you please do the needful?
 
user8080618
11:17 AM
very "energy" intense, mental energy
 
whats going on
 
@JoeWatkins I think we have a bot infestation .. test
 
user8080618
ok, thanks for the info
 
user8080618
that kind of feedback is very good
 
user8080618
I was planning to go to a PHP convention tomorrow, but I have no $$$, talk to people there
 
user8080618
11:18 AM
just wait, I guess
 
trigger
 
@tereško 2?
 
user8080618
3 rounds already done, and I am planning 10, after 6 or so, I could probably get an entry level job
 
so, somebody, could you remove the garbage?
 
@tereško I will do if it continues.
@bwoebi that's numberwang!
 
11:24 AM
I think it went dormant
 
user8080618
how long did it take you to really start in php, 2-3 years?
 
user8080618
but really, being able to get a full time php job, like $60k per year, USA pay, lets say
 
user8080618
I am not talking about some simple things, anything
 
user8080618
3 years, as far as I imagine, this could be, 2 is kind of ok, but lets say 3
 
user8080618
so I am on the 8th month now only, 3 rounds of learning done
 
user8080618
11:28 AM
and the 56th day of break, where I cant learn, but this seems ok
 
18 hours ago, by Aaron Smith
I am on the 55th day of the passive after 3 rounds, waiting for the 4th round
18 hours ago, by Aaron Smith
I started around 8 months ago, did 3 rounds of learning (around 20 full days of learning each and smaller breaks in between)
@MadaraUchiha we have a situation
 
OK I am only going to say this once. Please stop talking, if you don't then I will be forced to stop you from talking, because at the moment you are in the middle of what appears to be a cocaine-fuelled rant, banging on about fuck all and not listening to anyone.
 
I'll try one last time. You don't need 56 days of reading before starting to do something in practice. If you keep on going like this, you'll only demotivate yourself and not accomplish what you want
 
I was also thinking coke ...
 
Just kick the waterfall of stupid incoherent thoughts
 
11:29 AM
it is not a person, it is a bot - it is running from the same script as: chat.stackoverflow.com/users/4183695/aaron-smith?tab=recent
 
user8080618
56 days off so far, reading is like 20 days in total, with smaller breaks in betweem like (2-5 days off too)
 
Nothing of value will be lost
 
@MadaraUchiha stab it in the face, please ...
 
@PeeHaa it is a bot
 
Fairly pointless bot...
 
11:31 AM
@tereško definitely. Not sure about the point of that bot though
 
I hate computers and I hate people and I'm not keen on animals or plants either.
 
@tereško Either that. Or you know those nights where you do drugs with friends and the night reaches some point where everybody starts spewing random bullshit?
Or so I have heard that happens
I wouldn't know of course
 
@PeeHaa there's a difference between this and random bullshit
 
It's like a meth night with a junior developer
:P
Again: or so I have heard
 
11:34 AM
What you are writing in chat usually is what one would call random bullshit. :-P
 
Dude! I always put so much effort and thought into my posts in here
I am officially offended
 
And I'm officially not sorry.
 
:D
oh while you are here @bwoebi. You have a minute atm?
 
@PeeHaa sure
 
11:36 AM
I have written a project using aerys. I want to finish that. But you guys moved the cheese. Do I rewrite it now using http-server and friends? And where can I find docs for migration?
The project hasn't been released and I am going to rewrite huge parts anyway
 
@PeeHaa http-server and so is not stable yet (not even API wise). Just use the last stable version of aerys and you're fine
 
kk
 
If you'd use http-server you'll probably still end up with quite a bunch of rewriting due to our API not being stable yet
 
SHouldn't you have waited deprecating aerys until there was a stable alternative?
 
@PeeHaa Not yet done, contributions are welcome.
 
11:38 AM
It's kinda confusing atm
 
Is it deprecated?!
 
Yeah
 
'archived'
 
Umm. Not sure why. Ask @kelunik
 
> Deprecation

This repository is deprecated in favor of amphp/http-server. It still exists to keep the documentation and also Packagist working as before.
 
11:39 AM
@bwoebi I think most things a package uses are rather stable.
 
As long as 0.7.x is the newest version and there are bugs it shoudln't be archived yet
 
heheheh I like how you two say something different now :P
 
@bwoebi It's archived to prevent accidental pushes mostly. Just undo and redo if you need to fix a bug.
 
!!should I do aerys or httpserver
 
You should httpserver.
 
11:40 AM
lol
@kelunik For users it's confusing now though
 
also github.com/amphp/template could use some love
 
@PeeHaa There will be some movements, but I think we can release it soon.
 
@kelunik the basic APIs perhaps are but we're still renaming things at times, also you're reconsidering some things which were moved out. Yeah perhaps Req/Res will be stable enough, but much of the supporting libs aren't yet
 
The documentation is the biggest issue.
 
@kelunik Yeah agreed. That's another thing. It points to aerys :)
 
11:44 AM
@bwoebi I think the moving parts in http-server will be sorted in the next few days.
 
shrug colleague commited vendor
and there's a vendor inside vendor...
 
@Ekin we actually commit vendor. mainly to avoid depending on packagist being up to be able to deploy. may be a bit extreme, but it doesn't hurt either :P
packagist/github/wtv.. anything that may break
 
I see
in his case, he's just lazy to reach the usb for whatever reason he needs to copy some packages in there
I dunno why someone would hate using composer this bad
 
Wes
@JoeWatkins you have no idea how depressing that was
i tried for hours... i don't know why it can't find the headers
 
sanity check: are you using full paths instead of relative?
 
Wes
11:57 AM
what's the configure you use?
@pmmaga i have no idea, i'm using the sdk
wait, that wasn't for me :B
 
it was :P
i thought you were fighting with the included dirs as you mentioned above
 
Wes
yes
 
and I was asking if you are passing the full paths to the extra-include thingy
 
I'm in the process of writing a tool to shift everything in a directory into it's own namespace. So Tschallacka\Something becomes Namespace\Tschallacka\Something and Carbon\Carbon becomes Namespace\Carbon\Carbon(the reason is wordpress and possible conflicts)

Are there any special cases I should keep in mind when replacing the namespaces in the texts of the code(that arent obvious like use Carbon\Carbon; or function abc(\Carbon\Carbon $date);
 
Wes
@pmmaga yes i am using absolute paths, is that wrong?
 

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