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7:00 PM
Sounds a bit like Canabalt except there's no car
I'm a little sad that I have to pay 0.99$ for a game that ten years ago would have been provided free of charge online. But maybe on the whole it's better this way, since game creators might be able to get more than 0.0001 cents per page view, the way they were getting from ads in the Aughts.
 
Sounds a bit like Sonic Adventure 2 except there's also no car, you're a hedgehog, and there's a lot more to the game
 
Sounds a bit like Tetris except instead of driving a car to escape the city you're moving blocks around to make complete rows
 
:\ I honestly want to relive my old school gaming days with Runescape, but I know half of what I think I remember enjoying, I might not enjoy anymore and it might ruin my nostalgic memories :(. I wonder if there's a term for this .
 
I know that feeling.
 
adulthood
 
jjj
7:14 PM
rhubarb all
 
On the other hand, I can buy like ten times as many new games compared to when I was 13.
(inb4 "yeah but you won't have time to play any of them because of your many responsibilities". Joke's on you, haven't got any of those)
 
I think we are in our prime age of being a young adult, when we have not as many responsibilities, some disposable income, and some free time to do whatever we want.
It goes all down hill from here :\
 
If anything, I intend to have more disposable income and free time in the future.
 
I wish....
 
There needs to be a class in high school that teaches you that you don't have to have a white picket fence house in the suburbs with a wife and 2.5 kids, if you don't want them
 
7:24 PM
Now I'm curious what half of a kid looks like
 
Honestly all I want is just to take care of my parents when they got older, a roof over my head, and stable decent internet
 
There's a Far Side concept illustrating exactly that concept but I doubt I'll find it online
 
That's my goal for the next 20 years.... no kids no massive purchase just spendable income :D
 
DSM
7:39 PM
You may find that your goals change over time. That's normal too.
 
I've more or less made peace with the fact that 2028 Kevin may have a completely different value system than 2018 Kevin. I'm trying to keep the place tidy for when he moves in.
 
future companionship can also greatly influence one's views
 
cgb.
 
DSM
While I'm not unsympathetic to the feeling, this is not a useful title..
 
7:54 PM
Instead of reading the question, I'm trying to figure out what you sub too out of the three tags. They all seem to fit your taste.
 
Half of the time when I leave a comment that I hope is helpful, I feel like a doctor saying "have you thought about eating right and exercising?"
 
DSM
@MooingRawr: I don't mind admitting that I follow algorithms. :-)
 
Most of the time they have thought of that because it would be really weird if they hadn't. And the vast majority of the time they were really hoping to get something else out of me
"Can't you just give me something that fixes my problem?"
 
8:11 PM
cyanide capsule
 
Can you do my job for me but for free :D ?
 
Fastest way to lose weight? I could schedule an amputation...
There is that 0.1% of people that are like "I never thought of that, thanks!" when I suggest using a debugger or whatever
 
I heard they are making a pill that might actually be able to target extra fat and that it was working on mices
 
Behold, a man who can learn to fish
 
To be far, I still don't really like to use a debugger, and rather use a logger
 
8:20 PM
I've just got something I didn't expect here:
x=0
while 1:x-=1;print(x)
 
(while True)
 
Yeah. I just expected a syntax error. 0 is while False.
 
no, 0 is not false :P
False is False ;)
 
Really?
 
@Simon I don't understand "0 is while False"
 
8:22 PM
I'm confused about what you are trying to say Simon sorry.
 
If you're saying "I'm surprised that you can put an expression in a while condition that doesn't evaluate to a boolean", while conditionals can take any kind of expression.
 
I think he's surprised at both expressions being inside the one-line loop
 
@AndrasDeak @MooingRawr @everyone while 0:
 
and the 0/False thing is just an aside
 
while True: is functionally identical to while 1: and while "blah": and while object():
 
8:22 PM
otherwise he shouldn't have onelined that poor loop
bottom line: if you try to evaluate an object as a boolean, you're looking at bool(thing)
 
No I understand the one liner (I made it tomato)
 
>>> bool(1)
True
>>> bool(0)
False
>>> bool(object())
True
that's what if/while will see
there's probably a canonical about "what evaluates to true in python" or "what is truthy and falsey in python"
 
Are you saying "I expected this loop to never execute because x is 0 and while 0: should never execute, and while x: is identical to while 0: provided that x is 0"? The problem there is that you didn't actually write while x: in your code there.
 
Also, why did you expect a syntax error of all things?
 
8:25 PM
even better ^
 
>>> x=0
>>> while 1:x-=1;print(x)
...
-1
-2
-3
-4
#(snip)
# >>> x=0
>>> while x:x-=1;print(x)
...
>>>
Here we see that while x indeed does not run
 
Same as while 0:
 
I give up (yet again)
 
If you're saying "while 0: does not run, therefore I assumed that while <any integer>: would also not run", that is an incorrect assumption about how Python works.
 
@AndrasDeak I'm in the same boat as you, where shall we sail too?
 
8:28 PM
somewhere with dogs
and also no sails because I get seasick very easily
 
ah, the cavalry!
 
I cant wait to get another dog(s)
 
I want a dog whose companionship will greatly influence my views
 
I guarantee that any dog will do that :)
 
8:34 PM
Is there any way to get a money-back guarantee from the shelter that I'll have a life-changing paradigm shift
 
once you get a dog you transform into a Dog Person
if you get a pup it's even worse
 
I shared a home with my parents' dog for ten years. Our relationship is largely cordial.
 
then it's a very short road to imgur.com/r/lookatmydog
 
@MooingRawr what do you have now?
 
best way to get a dog, is to go through your local shelter. :P
@Programmer No dogs :( My two dogs past away, one Golden Retriever and one Rough Collie.
I want to get another one but no one to keep company at home and I don't want to leave my dog home alone :\ plus I'm selfish and don't want to hire a dog walker (I want to walk my own dog)
 
8:39 PM
Oh sorry to hear that. I guess I misinterpreted your "another" phrasing.
 
ahh that's my fault on my wording and no worries, That's one thing I learnt about dogs, you will should out live them no matter what, so just celebrate your time with your dogs :D
 
Yeah mine is a bit unhealthy so it makes me wish that I waited to get a dog when I was more financially ready for one, but I don't regret having him.
 
is your DP your dog ?
 
Yeah
 
adorable pug you got there. :D I find them so "derppy" looking.
 
8:42 PM
Apparently no one has tried to use Flask on Python 2.7 on Windows (or at least haven't used the session interface) because there's an obvious bug in it.
I only noticed it because I'm enabling Appveyor CI.
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'inet_pton'
 
Maybe those who tried it thought it was a bug and couldn't get their point across in a MCVE style, and just ended up upgrading to python 3 instead.
 
I've never seen a question that looks like it.
 
they were saved just in time then
Is it just me or is the "help center question mark" icon new in the top bar? Might be an A/B thing as usual
 
Who uses python on Windows?
 
(yes, I'm too lazy to look on meta)
 
8:47 PM
welp then I have no idea :).
@Code-Apprentice me
 
@Code-Apprentice KEVIIIN
 
I mean someone who counts...
 
:( edited :)
 
j/k <3 @MooingRawr
@MooingRawr Have you used numpy on Windows? I tried to clone a project which uses it and got stuck on installing the numpy dependency.
because it requires some Visual Studio build tools or something and I don't have that installed.
 
Too bad that I finally finished migrating to 3.X just a few weeks ago, so I no longer fit the demographic in question
 
8:51 PM
huh weird which numpy dependency are u trying to install
what project? maybe I can try to clone it when I get home ?
 
I'm pretty sure that Visual Studio error message is pretty common when installing things in Windows land, and there are a number of solutions that don't require you to install Visual Studio
 
^ when it complains about visual Studio, there's almost always another solution to install it
 
@davidism there's actually an amazing lack of hits for that exact error on SO
 
yeah, I was surprised
 
@AndrasDeak I'm pretty sure it's new. I only noticed it in the last day or so.
 
8:53 PM
There's a win_inet_pton package, but I'm not adding that as a dependency for Flask.
 
@PM2Ring they only used to show that to low-reps
 
It's only used in one check that issues a warning anyway, I'll just omit the check on 2.7.
 
@AndrasDeak Ah, ok. That sounds familiar, now that you mention it.
 
A green bean commented on an answer of mine with a downvote as well. Unfortunately, they did so out of ignorance. It was too short of an answer on my part anyway. stackoverflow.com/a/39373818/2336654
 
9:13 PM
that's indeed annoying
 
edited to make it a better answer. /shrug #whatcanyoudo
 
9:34 PM
Hello :]
 
hello
 
cbg
 
so this room just for asking/answering questions or am i allowed to chat in here?
 
it is a chatroom for a reason :D. If you may, please read our rule rooms found here.
 
I've already seen that, doesnt state anything about casual chatting
but it defines some stuff about asking/answering questions which is nice
 
9:45 PM
basically all things in moderation. some room owners prefer the chat to stay pg 13.
that being said you can chat about things casually here, feel free to read/scan the transcript to get a feel for what the room is like.
 
the primary use is chatting, that's why the rules don't mention it :)
 
> it is a chatroom for a reason :D.
 
one has to use their best judgement in determining what is off-topic and how badly
 
why can i see dotted lines across the chat history?
 
It's just to tell you where the system thinks are new messages for you after a period of time has passed
> If you have chat open but we don't think you've seen new messages, the system adds a dotted line like this: source
 
9:55 PM
it's called a "catchup marker" meta.stackexchange.com/questions/109251/…
 
Oh i like that link more AD, think I will use that instead in the future :P
 
good, it took me minutes to find :P
 
oh nice
 
Friday night, going to head out \o rbrb. have a wonderful weekend.
 
have fun @MooingRawr
 
10:18 PM
I just wrote an answer using a generator. It's not recursive, but I guess the thing I do with iter could be a little confusing, but hopefully with my explanation the OP will be able to understand it. stackoverflow.com/a/48121777/4014959
 
That's exactly how I thought of it
 
Oh good. :) The OP has gone AWOL, and I should've gone to sleep ages ago. I guess I'll find out what they think of it when I wake up.
 
10:50 PM
cabbbage
Guys
mind blow
I encountered this behavior in Python which is very weird
 
*braces himself*
the suspense is killing me, dude
 
wait one second
I'm trying to summarize it without copy/passting code
 
on the plus side, Andras is going to have flawless teeth by the end of this. Unless we were talking about a different kind of brace.
 
So in the initialization function of the class, I initialize two lists called `self.all_red_cards = []` and 'self.all_green_cards = []'. In one of the methods (say def methodA), I create a local list ' local_reds = []' and add 4 elements to it. At very end of methodA, I have 'self.all_red_cards = local_reds' and 'self.all_green_cards = local_reds'
In another method (say methodB),
I have a local list called 'local_greens = []', and in the body of this method, I add 6 elements to it, and then I modify 'self.all_green_cards += local_greens' Here's the wired part, at this point: len(self.all_r
 
10:59 PM
> At very end of methodA, I have 'self.all_red_cards = local_reds' and 'self.all_green_cards = local_reds'
Dec 12 '17 at 17:18, by PM 2Ring
Mar 21 at 8:27, by PM 2Ring
@Drizzy In the mean time, here are a couple of articles that explain a very important difference between Python and most other languages. Other languages have "variables", Python has "names", and Facts and myths about Python names and values, which was written by SO veteran Ned Batchelder.
have you seen those yet? ^
 
@AndrasDeak I confess my ignorance. I have not seen those,but I will now
 
they will probably help :)
 
That has nothing to do with names vs. variables... that's something that would happen in every programming language ever
 
perhaps I didn't read thoroughly enough, but it seemed to me that the problem is that both self.all_red_cards and self.all_green_cards refer to the same list
 
@Rawing Ok, I can see this happening in C if you have two pointers poiting at the same place, but Python?
 
11:01 PM
You assign the same object (the same list) to two variables... it doesn't matter if you access the list through self.all_red_cards or self.all_green_cards, it is and always will be one and the same list
 
but in C if those class members were ints, this would never happen
 
but the object is destroyed after exiting out of that method, right?
 
only if you use a pointer
 
You want to have 2 lists, so you should make a .copy() of it
 
perhaps we should still let him understand mutability :P
 
11:02 PM
@Andy_A̷n̷d̷y̷ no, only the refcount is decremented
If it reaches 0 then yes
 
The object isn't destroyed. The variable is destroyed. That's different.
 
let's call them "name" instead of "variable"
I still think names vs values are at the core of this too
 
The text you linked earlier is "names vs variables", not "names vs values" :/
 
the first one yes, the second one no
and the first one seems to say that while other languages have "variables", python has "names", and This. Is. Pythooon!
 
Oh, right. My bad. Didn't pay (enough) attention.
 
11:07 PM
Of course we keep arguing whether names-vs-variables is an actual distinction, and many people think that this is pointless. Personally, I found the above explanations highly enlightening, and I understand python's behaviour in terms of these concepts. This doesn't imply that this is the only train of thought that lets you comprehend python's behaviour consistently.
 
11:41 PM
cbg
 
c to the b, the b to the g,
if you're talking python it better be 3
 
I just got off an exhausting 15 hour flight
Actually, 22, if you count both legs and the layover
 
you count the hours of flight for both legs? Then shouldn't it be 30 (-;
@KevinMGranger nice!
 
I thought you used your arms to fly, not your legs
 
Speaking of legs, I can't feel either of them
 
11:48 PM
Four legs good, two legs bad! Wings count as legs too.
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ watch out for thromboses on long flights
 
Thanks. I'm especially susceptible, since my feet swell all the time
 
then definitely
get those tight linen thingies that go on your legs (no, I don't mean pants), and walk around as often as you can
Roll bandage? Doesn't sound right. Google update: no, it's maybe right
 
Are you talking that thing called the crepe or something?
 
I think they're called "squeezy bois"
 
crepe bandage... the pink-ish coloured one
 
11:51 PM
sort of like that ^
in Hungarian it's called fásli so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I know what that is, it's the crape bandage
I have one at home
Good, I'll put it to use.
 
you'll need two ;)
as far as I know it helps reduce the risk of thrombosis if you strap your legs before the flight, there are probably more reliable online sources for details
I've never went farther than Europe so I'm stuck on my usual handwavy level of knowledge
 
Okay, I'll have to go get the second one from CVS, lol
 
onhealth.com/content/1/travel_avoiding_deep_vein_thrombosis_dvt says (among other things) "wear compression stockings" so the basic concept is probably sound
 
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