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12:07 AM
@EJoshuaS I'm doing as much as I can.
 
 
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5:20 AM
@Olaf Won't that one Roomba just by downvoting (since it's old and has no answers)? (Obviously, I'm not making a recommendation as to whether or not to downvote since we don't ask for upvotes or downvotes here, just making an observation).
 
Hello, when I find an old perfect duplicate (same text/author), do I flag or do I vote to delete, hoping that my vote will not age away?
 
@Cœur You mean when someone posts the exact same (or almost the same) question again?
 
yes, but long time ago
Well, I flagged it, as I was out of delete votes anyway
 
@Cœur That's an interesting question, actually... I'm not sure.
I don't have delete votes on this site yet :(
Just on Lit.SE
 
5:53 AM
@Cœur From the fact that you're talking about delete-voting, I assume that at least one of the questions is closed. If you feel one should be deleted, then delete-vote. Delete-votes don't age away. They will be on the post until it's deleted or opened (and may remain if it's re-closed, I'm not sure). For the situation you've described, a flag isn't appropriate. It's a circumstance that can be handled by regular users delete-voting, if that's what they think is appropriate.
 
6:14 AM
 
@Makyen oh, I was not aware that del votes don't age away. Thanks
 
 
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8:35 AM
@FireAlarm User vandalized - rolled it back.
 
9:07 AM
 
 
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11:43 AM
also possible duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/9954590/…
 
12:17 PM
No hats for answers, switching back to shiny mode :-/
 
12:42 PM
WTH is this?! Here's a suggestion that got approved. A single reviewer, in their one-and-only review, although they've been members for 3+ years. Sockpuppet?
 
@Mogsdad meeh new user tends to accept any edit..
You need to find something more
 
3 years is hardly new.
 
1 rep user... so also not really experienced ;)
 
But how does the system allow a suggestion to be approved by a single low-rep user?
The same suggestion had previously been rejected by 2 high-rep users, btw.
 
author of post...
 
12:49 PM
ah.
missed that. right.
 
@EJoshuaS I has an accepted (and upvoted) answer, so no. stackoverflow.com/help/roomba
 
lots of rep hunters use this... edit (minor) quickly when posted by new user
 
@Mogsdad It's the original author of the post. They can accept an edit to their own post without another peer.
 
Got it. I'm a bit rusty.
 
@PetterFriberg We still not found a cure for "rep hunteritis" :-(
 
12:53 PM
@Mogsdad A "bit"? :p
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, after they banned lead from rust protection, it just isn't that good (and orange) any more.
 
@JonC quick question: on my CV I state that I've been to a "grammar school", by which I mean highest possible level of secondary education in NL, with Latin and Greek courses. Can I use the term "grammar school" for those things outside the UK?
 
Ron
The entire SO is based on reputation mechanism. Nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to earn rep by sharing knowledge, so be it.
 
@JonClements Hi Jon! Yeah - I was away for pretty much a whole year.
 
@Adriaan I don't know... being English when I see Grammar School - I think more of a type of school rather than the level of education...
 
12:57 PM
@Ron true, however it's a mess when people do it to get rep and not to improve the platform
 
Ron
@PetterFriberg I agree.
 
@Ron I probably translated the words rep hunting to rep "flirty fishing" wrongly somehow ;-)
 
@Ron Depends. If they work around the rules or even against just to farm reps, it is not ok. Or do you break into houses just to get an advantage over other people? It's bad enough we need laws resp. rules to punish such behaviour because people are not playing fair.
 
@JonClements so I should change that to "Comprehensive school" or something
 
@PetterFriberg Well, minus the cases where the OP accepts it, if the community rejects enough suggested edits then the system will ban them from suggested edits for a bit, and if they'r egregiously misusing suggested edits, a mod can enforce a ban and write 'em a little note.
@Adriaan Well - that's different again... can't you just use the generic "Secondary School"? Unless it was a specific type such as Grammar, Comprehensive, Secondary Modern etc...
 
1:00 PM
@JonClements True but getting 2 rep for a bad edit is not the worst of our problems, I was learning angular 4 and spring boot. What I realized is that SO was not so useful (to much debug my code with rep hunting answers..), I wanted more broad questions and answer.
 
@JonClements why u have so many different systems. I'll use secondary, thanks.
 
for sure I have decided that I will never cv as too broad anymore :D, I will go for unclear...
 
Ron
SO is about pedantry, elegance and bite-sized programming solution. More often than not it's detached from reality in terms of code actually being used on the field.
 
@Petter true... SO isn't great for everything. And yes, a +2 here and there for a bad edit is nothing, but it only takes 7 of those and inattentive reviewers to get to cast upvotes...
 
Ron
And what's being used in the field will often make your eyes bleed.
 
1:04 PM
@Adriaan What always makes me chuckle is that "Public" schools aren't public - they're private :)
 
@JonClements o/
Long time man! How are you?
 
Same old, same old. How's yourself?
 
Ron
@user0042 There is this one user frequenting the C++ tag. He almost never answers but is commenting frequently. I think he should be encouraged to answer more or at least turn some of his great comments into answers. He's below 1k.
 
Good going mate!
Umm. Library, as in library of education... ;P
 
@Ron I can definitively sign that one. Does not mean we should follow this road, though.
 
Ron
1:17 PM
@Olaf Good. I feel the two of us are getting better at understanding each other.
@Olaf Given our last constructive disagreements. Let's move on.
 
@Ron I think I already stated that a(n unressolved) dispute is nothing bad by itself.
 
Ron
@PraveenKumar Op in comments is getting rude and abusive. Apparently moderator removed the flagged comment.
 
@Ron What was the comment? I missed it. You can tell me and remove it. Curious to know! ;P
 
Ron
@PraveenKumar Bah, some insulting nonsense to the first comment. Gone now.
 
1:32 PM
too late :)
 
2:02 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar: that question has been closed and has no up-voted answer, and so as it stands, it will be deleted automatically by the roomba -- so why are you asking for it to be deleted by us?
Though it is strange that the question has been defaced after almost 3 years
 
@DalijaPrasnikar If an edit leaves an existing answer without context, roll it back. I additionally drop a comment, but that is optional (and has pros and cons).
@HovercraftFullOfEels I wonder a bit. Shouldn't this question have roomba'd already months ago?
 
2:17 PM
@Olaf: it's a strange beast
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, I also make a red mark in the calender for every day everything related to IT devices working as expected. After I bought my new car, I threw away the red pen two weeks later.
 
@Olaf Until an hour ago it had a upvoted answer (by the OP).
 
Aha, there you go
 
@Makyen Ah, sorry, I did not check that one.
 
2:49 PM
@Olaf I wondered that, too.
@Makyen Oh, I missed that.
@Olaf It seemed futile at the time... thanks for leaving a comment...
 
@Lokesh I moved this request to the SOCVR Sanitarium, because the request A) appeared to be only point to the question which you desired as the dup-target, not the duplicate; and B) the request was malformed and wouldn't be picked up by our scripts. You (later) appear to have gotten the hang of the format. Please leave dup-target info in a comment on the question (as is automatically done when you flag/vote as duplicate).
 
3:43 PM
Why was my question deleted? stackoverflow.com/questions/15955106/…
 
@gparyani: Sorry to be blunt, but it looks to be a poor question, one asked before researching how to debug NullPointerExceptions properly, one that assumes that the bug is in the library and not your own code (without any proof to back this up). Looks like it was appropriately deleted and closed.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Why was it allowed to remain for four years? Also, one of the answerers lost their bounty as a result.
 
@gparyani: no idea
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels If you read the answers, you'll see that the bug is in the library. The library in question hasn't been updated for years, and the question is useful to anyone else facing the same issue.
 
@gparyani: indeed. voted to undelete
 
3:52 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thank you very much
It just needs one more undelete vote
...and a mod undeleted it
 
@gparyani Instead of just asking why it was closed (here and in the Tavern) and why it was deleted, why don't you improve the question, so that it no longer is something that people think should be closed/deleted. You've gotten people to give you their opinions as to why it's in these states, but you don't appear to have bothered to try to improve it.
 
@Makyen How am I supposed to know what needs to be improved without knowing why it was closed?
The reason I didn't make an edit yet was because I was thinking there was no point, since the question was old and isn't really on-topic by today's standards, but is still useful to people arriving from, say, Google.
Also, asking why something happened isn't necessarily appealing it
 
4:12 PM
@gparyani You've been around for a while, and should have an idea as to what's needed. I gave you quite a bit as to my opinion (starting here) as to what the problems were. Other people have also commented. If you really want to improve it, ask people (on Meta) how it can be improved, not just why it was closed/deleted. There is a world of difference between asking those two. One sounds like you're complaining, the other sounds like you want to improve.
You've been around on meta. You should be aware that people respond much more positively to people asking how a question/they can improve rather than just "My question is closed/deleted, why?"
 
@Makyen For some reason I always overlook how my posts come across to others. But noted for next time.
Tone has always been hard for me to grasp. When I previously asked "why was this closed?" I felt I was asking exactly that, and didn't think it would come across as complaining.
I think this other question may be unclear: stackoverflow.com/questions/47847692/…
 
4:29 PM
@gparyani I can understand that. There's an implicit part of any such question, which is that the asker feels the action shouldn't have been taken (more so when it's the author of the post asking). It can come off as complaining, particularly, when asked multiple times (e.g. in the Tavern, here, and then again re: delete).
If you really want to improve the question and don't understand how you can do so, then ask on Meta how to improve it. Focus on the improvement, not on why it was closed/deleted. Almost invariably, questions asking how to improve are met with upvotes and good suggestions for improvement. Also almost invariably, questions asking why the question was closed/deleted get downvotes and responses which are not directly about improving the post.
 
@Makyen The only reason I re-asked here was because I was directed to do so in the Tavern.
@Makyen I now get why that happens.
 
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5:06 PM
@PaulStenne are you around?
 
5:42 PM
@gparyani The poster is looking for a "do my job" program is seems. I've never seen a converter which generates better readable code in any target language. Most of the code they generate is near unreadable, some manage to write the same code in the target language (which is often not ideomatic, so you still knowing the original language helps understanding it.
 
 
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7:12 PM
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@gparyani this question starts with the words "I found a bug in GridWorld". Most people's response to that would be "What's Gridworld" and that may be their total interaction with it. One of the things I have learned from Stack Overflow is that most people don't understand how to produce context for other readers.
There is an assumption (either subconscious or explicit) that if the question author is working with a library, that everyone knows about that library. If something is "not working", the writer believes that it is obvious what that means, etc.
My advice in this case would be to start with "I am working with Gridworld, which is a .... and I am using it to ...." (fill in the blanks).
Of course, if you are using really obvious things (Java, jQuery, Chrome, whatever) then they don't need introducing. Sometimes there will be edge-cases, in which case a couple of sentences of explanation won't hurt, even if it is obvious to some people.
 
 
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Plop everyone
 
o/
 
\o
 
@YvetteColomb Oh! Yes I am
 
8:59 PM
That's ... actually legit
 
@JohnDvorak Yes and No.
 
@Makyen read "how to ..."
 
@JohnDvorak Yes, if it was "How to ..." it would be better. Right now, that question is just Yes/No, which is bad.
 
Ron
9:21 PM
@JohnDvorak Can I make a living on 2.2K net in Slovakia?
 
If you mean Euro / month, that seems reasonable.
 
Ron
@JohnDvorak Yes. What do you make of the sum? Is it in line with market rates for a mediorish - seniorish position in software development?
 
Not sure. I live in Czechia, not Slovakia.
 
Ron
@JohnDvorak I see. Appreciate it.
 
9:43 PM
Great. I've managed to convince Firefox to open PDF documents in Firefox. I like new tabs.
 
Ron
New FF rocks. I just wish they left the light theme as default on Windows. But that can be easily changed in the settings.
 
10:01 PM
Any tips how to strike a balance between "85% of my recommended videos are from a single channel" and "not a single video from a certain channel is recommended to me" on Youtube?
 

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