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12:07 AM
the timing isn't there anymore =\
 
also I'm bummed he hasn't noticed yet
or at least not replied
 
He's probably trying to wash his eyes off
 
12:29 AM
I don't get the pun pls explain for simple people
 
the first pun? lead == bullet
 
OHH
ty trevor
 
lol
it's ok, big brain joke
 
;_;
I'm a simple dude living in a simple world
 
anyone have resources for learning about databases?
I never really had to use one with a project
I found a Stanford course that's OK but super dry
and probably more theory than I need to know
 
12:44 AM
hmm
do you wanna design one or just simple sql
 
I know basic SQL, but don't know anything more complicated than a join lol
 
same tbh
sorry don't know any material :s
 
I guess it really depends on what you want to do
Largely SQL can be abstracted away for you
and I'd argue isn't as useful as it once was unless you're the one doing the abstracting
 
I'm working on a side project that needs sqlite
modeling some of the data structures to work with a database is something I'm not used to
 
for JavaScript I would use Sequelize
Seamlessly blends the migrations, models and queries
 
12:48 AM
I found GRDB.swift which looks promising
 
all my mobile apps use document based DBs hosted on a horizontally scaling cloud platform and have sdks in front of them
so I'm not much help there
 
which DB do you use?
not sure whether relational or document fits my needs
 
Previously used Parse on MongoDB, our next big app build is going to use DynamoDB on AWS
If you've got a lot of records but only access a few at a time I would go Document 100%
if you need to process large data sets, like in a more scientific setting, relational
document dbs are trivially easy to scale on demand
and trivially easy to adapt to changing circumstances
the trade off is a performance hit in specific applications, but it's usually negligible and can be made up for by scaling horizontally
 
my data will mostly be local to the device
 
then I would spend less time worrying about the underyling database and more time looking for the easiest to use integration
 
12:56 AM
good to know, looks like more research ahead of me
thanks & cya'll for tonight
 
night
 
cya!
 
 
5 hours later…
6:05 AM
@CarlAnderson Looks like you misunderstood my reply over there, using e.printStackTrace(); did not print the exception stacktrace at all. It is very obvious that without e.printStackTrace(); does not print any stack trace. I know that and my reply was that it does not print any stack trace.Hope this clears your confusion.
 
6:22 AM
^ this happens to my friends too, sometimes app crashes and there is no stacktrace at all. Regular log messages stay there though.
 
Morning
 
7:04 AM
morning guys
Anyone worked with multiple file upload and data posting to an api in a single request?
Am having a tough time trying to use volley plus SimpleMultiPartRequest and am hoping someone can point me to a working solution
Doesnt have to be volley based
 
o/
 
o/ Cold Fire
 
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!! :D
 
morning womp
 
7:25 AM
o/
 
7:45 AM
\o
 
 
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9:17 AM
\o
 
o/
 
10:00 AM
yesterday i figured out that i am actually a mediocre cook
 
was that above or below expectations
 
Hiya CF, Ahmad, Warren, Tim, Murat!!!!!! :D
 
hi gurl
what up in lleida?
 
hola
 
o/
Work night out was last night, apparently there's only 2 in the office today...
I'm working from home
 
10:08 AM
actually above expectations
we had a xmas event with the office where we cooked our own dinner(i know worst idea ever)
i was pretty sure i have two left hands
apparently I dont
 
neat
what did you make
 
Hiya Mark!!!
 
some veggie champignon casserole
 
nice
 
not much happening in lleida (I think), Tim
 
10:14 AM
you are from there, right
 
how is the spanish dictatorship?
 
baaaaad
 
oh
seems like you were better before the referendum?
 
at least the news coverage stopped like instantly
 
does anyone know how I can get the java files for android views? I am currently trying to check the inner works of the scrollview.java but when I try to access it (ctrl click on the xml view) it only shows a compiled class, not the java file itself
it always throws "sources for android api 27 platform not found"
 
10:19 AM
also you can download the sources in android studio to see it there
if they are available
 
there's a weird angry air here
 
@TimCastelijns Thank you! And how would I go about downloading the sources in Android studio? I tried updating the API but did not help
 
you can in the SDK manager, but for api 27 they are not available yet
 
Drop the version you're targeting to 26 @Shadow
that should allow you to access the API 26 docs
 
ooooh so that is why, I'll try that right away
@TimCastelijns How can I know for myself when those become available?
 
10:24 AM
check now and then, I guess
 
alright, thanks a lot
wait, I check via android studio or is there a specific place where I can check?
 
Think it might be posted on twitter when it's available
 
ah, wouldn't have thought checking there
@TimCastelijns Yep, I see now, this isn't so cut and dry as I thought
I appreciate the help you guys gave
 
10:27 AM
no, but there is little reason to target 27 atm since it is in preview. Just target 26
 
I've done that, cleaned and rebuilt project, still leads me to the 27 version even tho the target version is now 26
 
except if you do things for android things
 
you have to actually set compileSdk to 27
 
All I am trying to do is join horizontal scroll view with normal scroll view
oh, I only set the targetsdk as told, not the compilesdk
@TimCastelijns That worked!
It immediately downloaded 26 and showed the source code, thank you a lot
 
your welcome
 
10:42 AM
a rare occurrence
someone found help from this room
 
10:54 AM
quite the contrary from my pov, I almost always find help in this room, but not before searching everywhere for a solution so that I won't bother others unnecessarily
 
we appreciate that
 
^
@TimCastelijns wait 27 is in preview?
or is that 28?
 
27 yes
 
oh am i making a mistake by targeting 27 then :thinking:
 
user443346
o/
 
10:56 AM
o/
 
you do, especially since 27 contains some major bugs
 
@TimCastelijns For "one presenter for one thing that is presented", what if two different UI need to call same API from different packages?
Do we create two same presenters for these tasks?
or just give a standalone presenter its own package, and call it from other packages?
 
2 presenters, 1 repository
repositories are things that access data, from api or database etc, and go in a separate package usually - "model"
 
I have been accessing data from presenters till now. So, I should create a repository class and use it in both presenters.
Do you have a link to some kind of sample?
 
@WarrenFaith ah thanks warren
i was under the impression that dp was of 28
dammit i have that stupid meta data adding different support lib version issue with 26 :(
 
11:09 AM
@rupinderjeet github.com/googlesamples/android-architecture/tree/todo-mvp/… check the 'data' package. I called it model just now but it does the same
can someone ping me please, for a test
 
@TimCastelijns is a data_source a presenter, last question.
 
no
presenters go in the feature package, repositories do not
 
I should explore the samples today, I might have been creating my own cozy MVP I think
this is wrong approach, right?
I tried to keep model, presenter, view and adapter in one package. And, thought of it as a package. a feature.
 
11:24 AM
you should have an interface between view and presenter
it's never wrong. MVP is just a concept you can implement however you like, but there are better ways to do it
 
I have one. It is common for all presenter->view relations as of now. It has two methods: onSuccess(SuccessResponse) and onFailure(ErrorResponse). BasePresenter enables views to call presenter.attachViewOps(interface) anonymously and handle success|failure callbacks.
 
11:39 AM
one view has one presenter, and they should have one interface between them
so that view can call methods on presenter, and vice-versa, without knowing the implementation
 
I like how Jon Skeet appears in almost every java date related question
 
interface Presenter usually has methods like start(), stop(), performLogin() stuff like that
interface View usually has methods like showLoading(), hideLoading(), showError() etc
 
yes exactly
idea is the same
 
thanks tim.
 
11:58 AM
> I got this code elswhere on stackoverflow. It did not work for me from the beginning.
oh boy that's gonna be a wild ride
 
better move on
 
nah I want to get amused
 
today is the best day of my developer life
 
tell us
 
How?
 
12:01 PM
I got green light to spend ~80 hours on reworking this piece of shit app
 
that is the worst day
 
user443346
I got greens
 
nahhh man refactoring stuff is satisfying
 
for me too, but they still think I am without work
 
ah you are not going to introduce a new architecture?
 
12:03 PM
I am
 
What was the app about?
 
personnel tracking, fleet management (tracking whereabouts of vehicles and stuff)
 
Doesn't sound exciting :/
 
it's not
it's in the background 99% of the time, doing stuff 24/7
this is the first time I am allowed to do maintenance since the start of the project 2.5 years ago
 
12:32 PM
so it's basically big brother watching over the employees
 
damn tim
thats some skynet shit
 
:O
 
:O
so tim is making a botnet ?
 
Who's making a botnet without me? :(
 
user443346
12:40 PM
Raghav, let me guess - you make a botnet for educational purposes
 
Yes
To educate my empire's subjects about their lack of control
 
I didn't know you were american
 
What, I have to be American now to be evil?
 
user443346
I guess Tim ment the lack of control
 
yes
jordy you dislike javascript right
it's a pity. I recently realized your initials are JS
 
user443346
12:48 PM
Thats why they accepted the netneutrality law
 
user443346
Wrong
 
user443346
My initials are JMS
 
jordy motherfucking suos
 
user443346
:D
 
jordy mmmmmKapsalon suos
jordy mondayFrikandelbroodjesDay suos
 
user443346
12:52 PM
first one was legend
 
yeah I should have stopped there
 
user443346
I give you a hint for the M.
 
user443346
It's a legendary Dutch footballer
 
marco
 
user443346
..
 
user443346
12:54 PM
noway you guessed that
 
user443346
first one ever
 
how many legendary footballers do we have that have an M
 
user443346
Hmm, good question
 
arjen robbem
 
hes german by now
 
12:55 PM
lol
 
user443346
Medgar Davids
 
user443346
I have Edwin van der Sar on my fut team
 
user443346
or as I call him: Ketwin van der Sar
 
1:10 PM
lol
so JMS
 
user443346
1:25 PM
Joe Mustang
 
user443346
First hit when searching JMS
 
user443346
Why doesn't android have a Spinner where you can select multiple options by default?
 
Time to go~~
Cya later people!!!! :D
 
use a lib JJ
cya
 
cya
 
user443346
1:38 PM
Any recommendations TJ?
 
didn't you hate that lib last time I suggested it for Mark?
 
can't recall
 
pretty positive
 
user443346
You're my hero Tim
 
user443346
Oh
 
user443346
1:52 PM
Just realized I already use that lib
 
Nov 24 at 15:48, by Tim Castelijns
go in the shame box for 2 mins
@MuratK. I don't deny it :P but I did not find it in the chat history
@rupinderjeet when navigating repos such as those google samples for mvp, extension octotree is very useful
 
user443346
2:11 PM
@TimCastelijns Been there for quiet a while now, can I leave?
 
yeah
now I don't want to have to send you there again
so be good
 
user443346
@TimCastelijns Put a brazzers logo beneath it and this image gets completely different
 
user443346
 
user443346
You see?
 
not sure man
do you not know this woman?
 
user443346
2:20 PM
I don't but I presume it's from Nanny shit
 
jo foster, super nanny
(c) RTL 4
 
and she makes Brazzers vids too?
 
user443346
:D
 
user443346
Naughty Nannies gone wild?
 
possibly the past 10 messages broke some rules
 
user443346
2:23 PM
Everything kitty-related is allowed.
 
user443346
Beat that.
 
you should know better m8, as aspiring RO
you are going to run for RO in the next election right?
 
user443346
Ofcourse, I love authority like Cartman does.
 
This is not a democracy
 
@Jordy and we shall respect it
 
user443346
2:25 PM
Like I respect my fellow 15 users.
 
Bribes are accepted, naturally
 
user443346
My presence is your bribe
 
I see raghav is roleplaying as mr Pai
 
:o
or more like :€
how many front teeth does this guy have?
 
if(picture(cat.jpg)) apply(antinetneutralitybooster(networkoperator.getnetworkname()));
 
2:36 PM
any germans around
 
Please put this codez in the new internet kthxbye
 
what is that circle symbol for^
 
user443346
recyclable materials i guess
 
Recycle probably
 
yes recycle right?
its german chocolate
 
2:41 PM
it means that the manufacturer takes part in the recycling process of the wrapper, iirc
takes part by giving money to some recycling organism
 
oh bet won then i guess \o/
 
also got french booze
 
so, I was a bit wrong, the wrapper is not necessarily recyclable
 
merlot
 
2:46 PM
I don't know jackshit about wines
or cheeses
I'm a French living disgrace
 
Just run a spectroscope on yourself, you'll learn
French people are made out of cheese, baguettes, and wine
It is known
 
lol
 
I'm already imagining reenacting some Bear Grills stuff
 
and more
who is she and why is she wearing a floor cloth as a bra ?
reversed google image search says "Ireland"
 
2:52 PM
lol
 
I don't know her name from the top of my head
she was a handmaiden to Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen,First of Her Name, the Unburnt, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea,Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons.
 
lol you remember the name of khaleesi alright tho
 
googled it
 
ohhh this Daenerys
 
future queen of the seven kingdoms
 
2:56 PM
did you just predicted the future?
 
pretty sure anyone with dragons are the rulers
 
true, but some other "people" might have dragons too ;)
 
^ same
 
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