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12:10 AM
a friend of mine just sent me this :O
> hey man just sold a virtual jean short to a guy on stem for a 104 USD
I didn't know you could sell virtual items for this much :O
 
seriously, digital jorts are worth $104 now?
what have I been doing with my life?
 
Hey guys, starting an Android project from scratch should I write it in Kotlin? Or stick with Java?
 
12:45 AM
@law whatever your heart desires
kotlin is good tho
I really should get back to it tho
been a while since I did kotlin
 
Good tutorial which I'm going through atm
Lets you create a messaging app in Flutter
 
what's flutter
 
1:03 AM
@DaveS same XD
 
flutter UI cross platform except web
in alpha stage basically
there was an video in io2017 for flutter
 
all cross platform stuff is for heathens
@mark
the devil's work
 
Pretty sure Flutter is what Google used for their Fuchsia demo
Yeah you can't even use the hardware keyboard with emulated android devices
Guess cause it's Alpha
 
google's motto is don't be evil
 
I'm gonna stick with it for a week or two, want to do a quick demo app
 
1:09 AM
I'm not saying it but why would you say something like this if you weren't evil
eh
 
By then I should have a good idea what is possible with it
hah :D
 
actually the reactive part sounds fun
 
What would Apple's motto be? Don't be extra evil?
 
plus, dart looks interesting
 
Reactive part?
Dart looks dirty
Dart + Flutter = Fart
 
1:10 AM
the reactive framework
lmao
 
React Native?
??
 
no not that
 
Ahmad... wtf you doing up dude, it's 02:11, must be 03:11 where you are?
Unless you're in the states atm?
 
I'm in germany and yes it's 3:11
that reactive @mark
 
Oh
I'm guessing they mean Reactive as in, it reacts depending on what platform you're using? idk :D
It's cool cause flutter can be compiled down to native code for both Android and iOS
 
1:13 AM
yepp
oh
didn't know
kinda like react native then
 
Yeah but I don't know fully if RN does that
Adam might know
Why you up so late anyway man?
 
about to go to sleep haha
working on some stuff
anyway think imma hit the bed then
good night mark!
you should sleep too
 
Yeah I think I'm gonna sleep soon too! Don't want my sleeping pattern fucked before work on Monday
Good night
 
 
3 hours later…
4:30 AM
@MarkO'Sullivan I haven't. Isn't that one of those cross platform things?
 
 
3 hours later…
7:19 AM
@AdamMc331 Anything is cross platform if you're willing to rewrite your platform
 
 
2 hours later…
9:25 AM
Gooooooood Morning Everyone!!
 
o/
@AmirHosseinB You need at least 80 rep to get access here, 20 to talk in any chat room
 
9:57 AM
o/
 
\o
Evening, Netherlandian
 
10:13 AM
What do you want
 
Ask for your wish, and I shall name a price
 
10:28 AM
o/
 
Hmm
I may need to start my blog posts from a more foundational point for crypto
Turns out explaining Private Keys -> Public keys is hard without assuming the reader is familiar with the ECDSA curve
 
"How to crypo for dummies"
i would read that
 
10:51 AM
@ChandanDas You need at least 80 rep to get access here, 20 to talk in any chat room
 
 
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12:07 PM
Hmm
How would I do a peer dependency in Gradle?
 
morning
 
12:36 PM
Mornin
Turns out that if I clean the project twice then it fixes an issue with how dependency resolution works. Fun stuff.
I had a project with a dependency A -> B and another with A -> C -> B and it freaked out until I cleaned twice in a row. Weird
 
1:21 PM
o/
@ben welcome to android dev
where things are weird
and dependency management is random
 
Dependencies in Android exist so that you still have something to debug on the offchance that your app compiles and doesn't fuck up Lifecycles
 
So far everything compiled flawlessly
This whole "dependency management is random" story - I don't buy it in JS and I don't buy it here - I'm just kinda bad at Android atm :D
 
it's getting cleaner with the introduction of new ways like "api" and "implementation" instead of "compile"
 
lool
i mean okay if you gonna compare it to js then this is pretty good
 
Anything compared to JS is pretty good
Except the next version of JS
♩ ♪ It's all downhill from here ♫ ♬
 
1:33 PM
careful, you've just stated that PHP is better than JS :D
 
At least it sticks to being only a server-side language
 
you got a response to anything XD
 
Hello, Android!
 
hello
 
JetBrains toolbox doesn't seem to work on my machine. I just get an empty window ;-(
not important...just would be nice to get it working...
 
1:44 PM
Err: No response to polite greeting "Hello, Android!". Expected declaration of war, found politeness
@MehdiB. ^
 
That confirms it XD
 
It's mean to pick on Markov chains
 
talking about HTTPS for blogs...I need to enable some Let's Encrypt
 
On Github? unlikely
They don't do Let's Encrypt
You'll need the cloudflare free plan for https
 
There's an option to enable https on GitHub
 
1:46 PM
That won't apply to your custom domain
Only to the codeguru42.github.io bit
 
> Enforce HTTPS
oic...
> Unavailable for your site because you have a custom domain configured
boo
 
You can always subscribe to the RaghavDNSSSLManagement
It's only $3/month
+ domain costs
 
I already have my domain covered =p
 
10% discount if you pay for 50 years at once
 
XD
 
1:50 PM
okay...time to code. TTYL
 
i honestly don't know why people dislike eclipse
 
Slow, unpredictable, buggy, not generally nice UI, clunky plugin system
 
Agreed with the plugins, but it's only slow when you install a lot of stuffs in it
the rare times I face something really odd with it, I just reset the workspace and it works fine
no cache to invalidate not too greedy on hw resources
and its basic UI helps you focus on your current project, and its working set feature is very nice as well :D
(talking about Eclipse for Java)
 
eclipse is good just not for android
also eclipse crashes a lot compared to AS
 
2:07 PM
@RaghavSood you do realize that's not how most of the world sees it right?
 
Indeed
 
As in, people used to build huge toolkits to write their JS in Java, but now they're writing huge toolkits to write their Java/Kotlin in JS. So while how good a language is subjective - the world is moving towards JS. Even Google are betting a lot on PWAs - at the last conferences I attended that weren't Google centric that's all they were talking about.
 
My statements here are often more jokes in the context than personal opinion/fact
 
@RaghavSood so what's you personal opinion about PHP? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
2:11 PM
@MehdiB. redacted
 
yeah i remember
Jun 30 at 6:43, by Raghav Sood
For a very simple API, PHP is decent (brb burning myself alive)
 
So GNOME's alt-tab functionality isn't very friendly for apps with multiple windows open
that might be a deal breaker
 
It's linux, change it :D
All you need to do is change some lines around
 
Just use tools that work, if PHP works for you - then great, just make sure you understand the tradeoffs
 
2:28 PM
true, that's the first thing I learnt from my mentor, no feelings toward tools, be pragmatic and just use whatever works for you
 
I found a GUI tool to change that functionality
all is right with the world once again
@MehdiB. blasphemy! tools are a religion!
 
I'm a tooleist
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I pretty much work with that mindset
 
Yeah, make sure you find an objective way to measure your progress and stick to that.
 
btw, we went with your advice Benjamin, we ditched the template and went with React
 
2:31 PM
nice
@BenjaminGruenbaum true
 
@MehdiB. Oh, cool :) How is it working out for you?
 
so far very nice! still slow on progress, but I got help from a front end dev so I'm starting to speed up :D
 
I pick tools based on maintainability/ease of use/suitability for the task/support/ecosystem
 
Cool, there is a big support group for React Native with all the core devs on Facebook where you can ask anything after you googled it that's nice.
 
I'll usually pick a slightly worse language for a task if it's something I already have a support pipeline set up for, because it's easier to spend more time writing code than to spend tons more time using and supporting a new ecosystem
Unless I see a particular language being very useful for future projects as well, in which case I'll invest the time to get it rolling
 
2:35 PM
That'll be my first non-jquery (or dojo) JS project
 
Gotta be flexible when you're skynet
Can't take over the world in FORTRAN
 
You could always go with Assembly, shouldn't take much time for a machine :D
 
Not very portable
PHP is actually great that way
So many legacy vulnerabilities
If you're willing to write PHP, remote execution is easy
 
you could hire me, I'll write PHP for you at 150$/h
 
Thanks, but I can write PHP myself
Dec 20 '16 at 13:18, by Raghav Sood
PHP remains the only language in which I actually have formal training
 
2:38 PM
Fine, I can do Cobol at 250$/h
 
At least I fixed this:
Nov 8 '13 at 9:48, by Raghav Sood
I'd love to get away. But sadly its the only language I know how to use properly on a server to rapidly prototype apps
 
the only one I can rapidly prototype backends in, is Java, trying to reach that level in Python (then ruby or NodeJS)
 
I can work with COBOL though, albeit slowly
 
I did 2 months of Pascal 8 years ago on my first internship XD
but that'll be 5BTC/week for you
 
Pretty sure I could hand write binary and come out with a more cost effective solution
 
2:45 PM
Hahaha
 
so...I need to host my new API somewher
and decide what I want to do about authentication
@RaghavSood the Starship Enterprise will run on COBOL
because legacy systems
 
@Code-Apprentice Heroku is reasonable
 
how does it compare to Google and Amazon offerings?
 
Oh, if you're paying for it, definitely go for Digital Ocean/GCP/AWS
 
@Code-Apprentice AWS gives you 1 year for free on a micro instance
 
2:52 PM
AWS is hard to use for small projects though
 
this is small for now
would be nice if it got bigger.
 
Baseball app?
 
in case I didn't mention it, I made a very basic REST API for the baseball card app
 
Nailed it
 
for now it will augment the autocomplete functionality for some fields
 
2:54 PM
Digital Ocean
Easy to get started
$60/year
And gives you the basic experience to move to other, complex providers like AWS
 
eventually I want to have a pretty extensive database of cards.
I use AWS a little at work. The instances are already configured though and I just turn them on and off.
 
You should start with Digital Ocean, methinks
Do you still have a student ID?
You can get some credit if you do
 
no, I haven't been a student for quite some time now.
 
Who needs to be a student for a student ID?
 
I wish I could go back in time and being a student while having all the knowledge I acquired during my professional years and without the cynicism and pessimism I have today
First, I'd go back to 2006, borrow money and buy 100k BTC
 
3:03 PM
@RaghavSood when you are no longer a student, you don't keep track of your ID as closely
were there 100k BTC in 2006? And...butterfly effect
 
No, Bitcoin started in '09
 
with a butterfly the size of a hurricane
 
Makes it easier, I would have just gotten into college since 1 year :D
 
I'd go back to 1999 and buy shares in Amazon
 
Anyone knows (Google comes short) how to turn off Sentry listening to global errors by default?
 
3:06 PM
Back to reality, sorry Benjamin, I have no idea
 
$1000 in Amazon at IPO in 1997 would be worth over 600k today (source)
 
\o
Hopefully Square takes off like that. My small investment now could fund my retirement.
 
o/
 
@Code-Apprentice BTC was $0.003 in March 2010, I would have bought 1M (3k USD) I would have been worth today 5B$
 
3:15 PM
nice to think of that
But are you really telling me you wouldn't have cashed out in 2013 at 1/6th today's price?
Because if you are, you are lying :P
 
10/10 would have XD
100M$ is the same as 5B$ for me :D
 
TIL 100M=5B/6
 
I meant that whatever > 100M is all the same to me XD
 
don't you play that swarm simulator now?
 
Got bored early this week after reaching numbers I don't even know without googling them :D
 
3:22 PM
also...if you buy 1M BTC, you affect the market in unpredictable ways
 
Fine, I'd just buy 100k :D
I had 400€ from a freelance back then XD
 
that is probably still large enough to drastically affect the market...depending on how many coins are available.
talking about which...how man BTC were there in 2010?
 
Yeah, it seems it can get boring. I also realized it made me actively be aware that bi, tri, quad, quint (very close to what we use to describe distance between notes in music) was the same with numbers
but then, undecillion and duodecillion sounds a bit far fetched
 
don't mean to be a naysayer. I am just pointing out the schrodinger-type effects you can have on a financial market when you participate
eh...that's not the right analogy...I hope you understand what I mean, though
 
@Code-Apprentice 4.3B by the end of it
 
3:25 PM
Suit yourself, I'm just dreaming and someone must be the dream crusher when Carl's not online :D
 
Wait no
More
Twice that
 
And you've just fueled my fantasy...
 
look to the sky and seeeeeeeeeee
 
@aa_oo Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the room rules before you do anything else: room-15.github.io
 
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier no
 
I have read and understood the rules
Thanks @RaghavSood
 
see which message i replied no
 
Receiving a ping with a dry "No" must hurt XD
 
yes, I'm confused
doesn't he?
(yeah, at least spit on it next time)
 
XD
 
3:34 PM
cover your eyes, kids
 
lol
 
wow, this is getting worse and worse, I should just stop talkin
 
lol ok
 
... ofc I won't
:D
so yeah, what were you "no"-ing me of?
 
3:47 PM
@RaghavSood you guys are way too strict about room rules IMO - the last time you had trouble here was 4-5 years ago IIRC
 
wow a guy did went from 1 btc to 50 btc
rich af $$$$$
@BenjaminGruenbaum well its a test also keeps the room clean and no help vampires
 
Oh, definitely, but I think it's safe to assume that since you approve people you won't get many help vamps anyway.
 
We do, though. The "I have read the room rules" is mostly just there to ensure they actually have
We're usually pretty relaxed once people settle in
 
It's unlikely you'll get kicked out as a regular even if you break a few of them, unless you just go batshit crazy
We have relaxed some over time (rep went down from 100 to 80 because we realized too few new people were coming in)
It's hard to strike a perfect balance between a usable chatroom and help vamp anarchy, but we try to keep it going in the right direction
Of course, we are more than happy to entertain suggestions
We aren't perfect, and if someone has thoughts on improvements, that's always welcome
 
3:51 PM
@Ben To be honest, they were quite accepting of me, even if I totally failed that acknowledgement in the first place, and needed help to get the easter egg
If really it were too strict, I'd have been kicked right away, having failed that first test
 
I wanted the bot to check the first message of every user and kick them out by default but Carl said that wasn't allowed :(
 
god bless you Carl
Imagine if you had done it, you would have been prevented from reading all my high quality puns!
.... hmmm wait, that sounds like an argument for writing it
 
:D
Lucky for your Firefox killed the bot
Until I can be bothered to move it to the site
 
I also failed acknowledging the rules the first time and @codeMagic gave me a second chance :D
 
3:58 PM
i dont see felix reads message
 
@RaghavSood so 1k is probably not large enough to have a significant affect on the market
 
The JS room has a pretty nice bot, fwiw
 
yeah caprica is nice
 
Our bot is forked from the old (current?) JS bot
 
because you don't have "é" in your keyboard to look for him on the transcript
 
3:59 PM
I'm just really bad at maintaining it
 
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