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8:00 PM
you can't define well being
 
@Nathvi Why is happiness any more ambiguous? Isn't happiness just a pattern of activity in the brain? Neuroscience suggests so.
 
It can't just be happiness, because then you would just hook the entire human race up to IV drips and constantly stimulate the pleasure centers of their brains.
 
It suggests so, but I posit that science cannot prove anything in the realm of subjective experience. Just that there are mathematical patterns that make predicting things nice.
 
@Hypersapien You're assuming that's not good for well-being.
 
Science is based on a logical fallacy.
 
8:01 PM
you can't see the bigger picture...
 
oh boy
 
-.-
 
what's the fallacy
 
@Nathvi Not at the moment. Eventually we will work out how decipher the workings of the brain, how thoughts and qualia are formed.
 
post hoc ergo propter hoc. Empirical reasoning relies on this fallacy.
It IS a nice tool though. Don't get me wrong.
 
user7480455
8:02 PM
Science is
 
Science isn't based on that.
 
You clearly don't know about science then.
 
@KendallFrey That could as well be just euphoria. Activity in the brain might result in the conclusion that I'm more happy eating ice-cream than I am realizing that I have a loving family.
 
user7480455
science is a joke and I'm a scientist
 
8:03 PM
-.-
 
lol, I doubt it
 
That's why nothing in science is ever accepted 100%. Everything is always up for re-analysis when new evidence is presented.
 
user7480455
we make us stuff to fit a model
 
I suggest reading about "The problem of induction"
 
@TimurSharapov Maybe euphoria is a subset of happiness
@Nathvi Oh, I'm familiar with that
 
user7480455
8:03 PM
because we can explain it any other way
 
Ok, sorry, I have to actually work now. @ me if you think of anything interesting.
 
The problem with the problem of induction is that by rejecting induction, there is absolutely no logical basis for making any kind of decision or any action whatsoever.
 
@Nathvi cya! ;)
 
In addition, our brains evolved to use induction
 
user7480455
nooo
 
user7480455
8:05 PM
we have not be around long enough to evolve
 
oh wow
 
@007 "we" who?
 
user7480455
we have learned
 
Where is that site again, crackjob scale or something?
 
life has been around for some 3 billion years
 
user7480455
8:05 PM
but we have not evolved
 
oh yeah? show me
 
user7480455
you an me kendall
 
user7480455
two buds
 
I as an individual haven't evolved due to Darwinian natural selection for the same reason that a molecule of air doesn't have any temperature.
 
user7480455
8:07 PM
Darwin was just a guy with a note book
 
@paul23 "10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations"." ouch, I have a pet interpretation of QM that is exactly that
 
user7480455
your life has nothing to do with his
 
user7480455
you cant be both an individual and needing Chuck Darwin for validation
 
Charles Darwin.
 
> 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.
oh boy string theory tops the list
 
8:09 PM
"Chuck Darwin" lol
 
user7480455
kendall do you look at food labels
 
@Mr.Noob He beats all other animals to extinction.
 
A lot more than the people I know
Mostly due to boredom
 
user7480455
do you trust food labels
 
@paul23 There are two ways to interpret that...
 
8:11 PM
^ Isn't that the truth, I like to challenge myself to pronounce all the shit on there.
 
@007 As a general rule, yes (assuming you mean standard nutritional info)
 
I have a feeling 007 is about to tell us food labels turn frogs gay.
 
user7480455
have you asked yourself why you trust such labels?
 
user7480455
lol at hilli
 
Not until now, at least not specifically food labels
 
8:12 PM
By the way, someone above mentioned that it's not clear whether the well-being of society is more important than that of any particular individual. From an evolutional perspective, the answer is unambiguous. The life of a single person has no value compared to mankind in general.
 
user7480455
I see
 
Because objectively if you're feeding poison to the people buying your products, then you won't have people buying your products for very long.
 
@007 Why wouldn't you trust it?
 
@TimurSharapov The well-being of society is a function of (the sum of?) the well-being of its individuals, not an entity unto itself
 
user7480455
food labels work with the concept that variability does not exist
 
8:14 PM
@paul23 Because you're a skeptic
 
That's just silly; one could argue the importance of the information - but why would you mistrust that? That's like saying that elections are rigged and that everyone is against you.
 
user7480455
which we all know that is not true
 
@007 I don't trust that statement at all
 
well being is a lie...
 
user7480455
every nano second of every nano second is a variable
 
8:14 PM
"34. 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike."
 
So you're implying that my hot dogs say "made from beef, pork and turkey" but there may be a little bit of rat in there?
 
For example, food labels that say sugar-free still allow for up to 0.5g of sugar.
 
user7480455
yest food labels on every can of stuff says the same thing for every can of same stuff as if it is the same
 
re-read what you just said
> same stuff
> as if it is the same
 
user7480455
yeah but people die from eating food that has stuff in it that was not on the label
 
8:16 PM
I'm not 100% of your point, but food labels assume that humans (ultimately) made the product according to that specification, obviously I mentally adjust for error because that is humanity.
 
I make software: when I release it I really say it is safe to use and won't be used to steal your information.
 
user7480455
what I am saying they are just a print out guys
 
@paul23 That's not what I say
 
Sadly every now and then there are bugs that break and allow information to be leaked.
 
user7480455
it has nothing to do what the contents
 
8:16 PM
Does that mean that I can't ever say that "my software is safe to use"?
 
user7480455
they did one test years ago and now all cans of corn are the same every where
 
user7480455
that is science
 
> THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
 
You're hung up over the fact there is no existential property that binds the contents of the package to what is printed on it?
 
user7480455
that makes no sense
 
8:17 PM
@007 You're fucking delusional
 
user7480455
or I am right
 
show me
 
its all over again
!!popcorn
 
user7480455
goto market and look at 3 cans of corn
 
8:17 PM
@KamilSolecki use a sock next time
 
user7480455
tell me what they say
 
@paul23 It does. A better option: "In 3 out of 5 cases my software is safe. Think about it" :)
 
user7480455
then ask yourself.. how can that be
 
@007 Wanna make a bet? My money is on "Corn"
 
user7480455
lol
 
user7480455
8:18 PM
please go to a reputable high street retailer
 
lmfao wut
 
something something black market corn
 
user7480455
you are a man of science after alll
 
@007 I'm failing to see your point. - Do you wish to argue that food should always state on the molecular level what's in it?
 
8:19 PM
cornhub
 
user7480455
no
 
user7480455
what I am saying is that if 3 food mills are using different strands of corn
 
user7480455
how can the values be the same?
 
@paul23 list the quantum numbers, bruh
 
No one argues that everything ever said is 100% correct - heck most people understand that statements are mostly incorrect in the future.
 
8:20 PM
@007 standardization
 
user7480455
that right!!!!
 
@007 Averages...
 
Ignorance is bliss. I don't think I'd like to know what food is really made of.
 
user7480455
that is science friends... it has nothing to do with facts
3
 
user7480455
its just standards that we all accept and follow
 
@KendallFrey I will cherish this memory for the rest of my life
 
@007 is 1 = 1?
will you agree that is a fact?
 
If I buy 100 gram meat, I don't care if it's 100, 98 105 or 95: the labels give an indication of what's important.
 
@KamilSolecki That's a fact, not science
 
@KamilSolecki Is 0,(9) = 1?
 
user7480455
8:21 PM
No I dont
 
@TimurSharapov obviously
 
> Doesn't understand thing
> Makes judgemental statement about thing
 
jesus
 
The internet in a nutshell folks
 
user7480455
You know what this is right? G = 6.673×10-11 N m2 kg-2
 
8:22 PM
@TomW grab some black market corn and enjoy
 
looks like Newton's gravitational constant
 
user7480455
come on guys
 
user7480455
everyone here is smarter than i am... what is this number G = 6.673×10-11 N m2 kg-2
 
33 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
looks like Newton's gravitational constant
 
36 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
looks like Newton's gravitational constant
 
8:23 PM
@007 You're really working yourself up the ladder of crackpots
 
user7480455
yes
 
user7480455
and it is meaningless
 
wow the time dilation in chat
 
no it's not
it gives the strength of the gravitational force
 
user7480455
sorry kendall my eyes shut down
 
8:23 PM
in human units
 
Shut up. You're an idiot. Just shut up. Take a science class while you're at it
 
user7480455
pacemaker stopped due to a power surge
 
user7480455
gravity is a concept
 
If you don't understand something, you go and learn about it. It's not up to other people to justify to you why your nonsense is wrong
 
user7480455
8:24 PM
but it is meaningless
 
user7480455
it only means something to us
 
@007 It's also, by everything we know, real.
 
No it is not. Stop talking, you're just spouting nonsense.
 
user7480455
not birds not flies
 
@007 yup, here we are: "10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is "only a theory", as if this were somehow a point against it."
 
8:25 PM
It's not just a concept in a brain that apples fall toward Earth. They actually do.
 
user7480455
is is a concept...
 
45 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
@007 It's also, by everything we know, real.
 
user7480455
oh tom if you can;t play nice please do play
 
round and round we go
 
user7480455
8:25 PM
I am just point out facts
 
oO
 
user7480455
that constant is just for our understanding
 
user7480455
birds don;t attend Newtons school of flight to know what constant
 
No that constant is still not completely understood - but it just there, a universal constant. And given the definition of our units it has that specific value. -- The value in itself is not important, however it is important how it compares to other constants.
 
user7480455
it is all standardization to give us humans somes understanding of the world around us... it has nothing to do with facts...
 
8:27 PM
@007 But if birds wanted to study gravity, they'd need to know about that constant
 
user7480455
why?
 
Because it's fundamental to gravity
 
user7480455
they free fall just fine
 
Not just convenience
 
user7480455
no it is not mate
 
8:28 PM
@007 freefalling is not studying gravity, you big oaf
 
but we humans dont want to free fall. We want to progress. And the basis of progress is understanding and knowledge.
 
user7480455
name calling is not either
 
user7480455
I am talking about birds
 
You know what's meaningless? Your beliefs about this subject
 
8:28 PM
I'm tempted to start kicking this bullshit
 
@007 They learned over the course of ~130 million years.
 
What do they influence? Do they change gravity in any way?
Do birds care?
 
user7480455
no so kamil that is how we achieve orbits
 
Its the first time ive seen kendall say xd so I assume he really lmao'd there
 
user7480455
is that we free fall
 
8:29 PM
Obviously not. So your opinion is meaningless
 
@KamilSolecki no
 
user7480455
did they paul
 
user7480455
we don;t know the time frame
 
user7480455
how
 
8:30 PM
@KendallFrey 😬 fair enough
 
Evolution: and the first flying animals we know were some dinosaurs
 
@007 fossil dating
 
user7480455
carbon dating
 
user7480455
nope
 
8:30 PM
not carbon dating
 
user7480455
made up numbers
 
Nope
 
Did you really
 
Its perfectly ok.
 
user7480455
8:31 PM
things like that just help us understand
 
user7480455
but it is not factual.. .as facts are just concepts
 
Stop bullshitting before you get kicked again
 
user7480455
I don;t care it is just opinions
 
user7480455
we are all free to think differently so
 
user7480455
the folks that should be kicked are the name callers that can;t have a decent chat with out descending in to anger
 
8:34 PM
I'm not angry, just poking fun
 
user7480455
I know
 
user7480455
it was that tom guy
 
I didn't notice him calling names
 
I have limited patience with people spouting nonsense
 
@paul23 I'm pretty sure the first flying animals were insects
 
8:35 PM
Hey to be fair I was
He just deserves it
 
user7480455
then you should go else where tom or grow up some
 
The first flying vertebrates were dinosaurs.
 
user7480455
we are all full of nonsese people talk about people moms here and you get upset at chat about science.. lol
 
When you have an array of, say ,numbers. what happens -under the hood- when you add another number to them? Is the array recreated with the new value added to it, i.e. delete the old array, and create a new array with the new value?
 
@Hypersapien Oh yeah right, I was mistaken. - Though birds are descendants of dinos :P
 
8:36 PM
There is too much nonsense in the world, stupid people thinking their nonsensical opinions have merit are doing real damage and here at least is a venue to oppose them, so oppose them I will
 
user7480455
I am ok with opposition... just not rudeness sir
 
@paul23 Birds are dinosaurs. There's nowhere in the evolutionary line that we can point to and say they are no longer dinosaurs.
 
ok I am being sent to outer space to find another race...
bye
 
user7480455
bye Mr. oob god speed
 
For the record, there's also nowhere in the evolutionary line that we can point to and say that vertebrates are no longer fish.
 
user7480455
8:38 PM
is that right Hyper
 
Yeah
 
user7480455
fish are not considered verts
 
user7480455
I did not know that
 
Um... yes. They are vertebrates.
 
user7480455
oh
 
user7480455
8:38 PM
sorry I misread...
 
I'm saying they never stopped being fish just because they came out of the water.
 
user7480455
glasses where crush by an angry shopper at market...
 
By that logic, whales are fish after all
 
user7480455
need replacements
 
@007 I get mine from Zenni Optical. Not bad quality and pretty cheap.
 
user7480455
8:40 PM
they say dogs evolved from whales//
 
@007 no
 
Dogs did not evolve from whales.
 
Just a c# question to keep the topic of the room still alive: is it possible to have a WrapPanel fill from bottom to top?
You can say it flows from "righttoleft" but not "bottomtotop"
 
user7480455
I get my from the rotary at market
 
user7480455
8:41 PM
let me research that... I read that when I was child... I mean lots of things have changed since then
 
@KendallFrey yes that works to set it from "top-to-bottom" (vertical orientation) - but not bottom-to-top
 
user7480455
oh sorry it was the other way around
 
user7480455
whales evolved from dogs
 
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Q: How can a WPF StackPanel fill vertically from bottom to top?

Stimul8dI need to be able to fill a stackpanel with buttons but the buttons must appear at the bottom of the stackpanel first and populate upwards. The buttons are created dynamically and there's an unknown number of them so visual hackery just won't work. I've tried experimenting with vertical alignme...

@007 No
 
user7480455
may be a seal is the transition animal
 
8:43 PM
Whales and dogs split off from each other before either of them could be called "whales" or "dogs"
 
Which is a stackpanel :(. Seems I'm out of luck with this.
 
user7480455
I see
 
user7480455
so is a seal a dog
 
... no
 
user7480455
or canine
 
user7480455
8:44 PM
the bugger sure looks like one
 
@paul23 Does VerticalAlignment not apply?
 
user7480455
funny thats what I ref
 
user7480455
I saw the chart
 
@007 Seals are caniform carnivores, so not too distantly related
 
user7480455
8:45 PM
I see
 
Oh I could indeed do that. - I'd have to manually change the order of inputting then though. (Contents are just "shifted" to the bottom).
 _ _ _
|1 3  |
|2 4 5|
That's how it looks like with VerticalAlignment="bottom" -- the goal is
 _ _ _
|2 4  |
|1 3 5|
But now that I notice wrappanel also uses VerticalAlignment I can at least keep on trying to find a solution.
 
user7480455
well chat mates... I must leave as my trolley will be here to take me back to the home. morning porridge is on the menu with Goats milk.. it is so very good, Until next time... please have a good remainder of your time..
 
@paul23 You could always make your own panel
 
 
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11:35 PM
Anyone have experience with developing a Sharepoint Web Part?
Trying to see if there is a way to get a client web part to function more like a partial view rather than sticking a full view in an iFrame.
 

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