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1:00 PM
@Saitama it does :(
 
someone poked around with making that "responsive" relatively recently IIRC
 
yepp, on chrome it has a horizontal scrollbar
 
yeah.
 
ugh I don't know how to css
 
lol... can't we just material design all the things at *.php.net
 
1:02 PM
"just"
 
well, its worth the effort I mean...
like material is the best design principle, imo :P
 
@Saitama Nothing stopping you. Ping @LeviMorrison if you want to take a stab at it
 
@PeeHaa no one does
 
@PeeHaa nah... I'm too lazy... :P
 
lazy = watching tentacle porn
 
1:04 PM
I DONT WATCH HENTAI.
5
wait let me put that in my chat bio.
 
yeah, you read it
 
yeap /me gives up on css :P
 
@PeeHaa what are you trying to achieve?
 
Well I can see it needing to scroll on mobile, but having to scroll on desktop to check whether the one named Y committed something is annoying
 
@Saitama probably vertical centering, like everyone else, too
 
1:06 PM
stahp
 
@Saitama HAMMERTIME!
 
rip, my ears...
 
Basically I would prefer what you both screenshotted for me on desktop
Not sure if chrome bug or all other browsers bug :P
 
So, @Leigh filled in my details for the PHPNW ticket. Beautiful:
 
make overflow-x: scroll, parent width: auto...
 
1:08 PM
user image
12
 
hahahaha
 
@pmmaga lol
 
i'm so tempted to leave it like that :P
 
if those don't work, prolly just make 'em all flex...
 
@Saitama Did you... test it?
 
1:09 PM
depends on which position are you looking for
@PeeHaa testing is for noobs
 
nope, just guessing... those generally work out for me
also, that ^
 
Fine. I will not go test random things :P
 
Usually I don't test my code, but when I do I do it on production
 
1:21 PM
Everybody has a testing environment. Some people are lucky enough enough to have a totally separate environment to run production in.
 
what's "production"?
 
@DaveRandom How's the data doing?
 
as of approx 5 mins ago, entirely no longer my problem
 
Anonymous
you quit?
 
Now I'm on to fucking about with CSS
#fml
 
1:24 PM
:P
 
css is nice
 
@DaveRandom found someone else to dump it on?
 
@Saitama masochist
@Tiffany yeh, farmed it out to a proper DR company
 
@DaveRandom ahh, good
 
@DaveRandom Sounds expensive :)
 
1:36 PM
@pmmaga You're welcome :)
 
@pmmaga it might be against the code of conduct though
 
@pmmaga I was hoping they wouldn't show it to you, and would just print the name badges
 
@Gordon i chickened out :P
@Leigh hahaha :P
@Leigh by the way, is that ETH address absolutely correct?
 
@PeeHaa probably. But they won't charge unless they can recover data
 
Oh that's nice
 
Anonymous
1:38 PM
@DaveRandom are you the one who gets bollocked if they can't though?
 
@pmmaga "address":"0cadfccca4db85891b515d84b5904fcbf04d49ec"
That's what is in the keystore file generated by MyEtherWallet
 
I wanted to jump in on the crypto bandwagon, but the market already recovered
also, this month will be expensive so I dont have play money anway
 
I was prepared to throw away the money for that ticket, so why not
 
@DaveRandom ;)
 
Good morning
 
1:50 PM
\o
 
Anonymous
\o
 
@JayIsTooCommon maybe, but it still isn't my fault :-P
 
Anonymous
:)
 
@DaveRandom quick lazy question. Bounces are delivered to Return-Path right?
 
1:55 PM
yes, or From if it's not present
 
tnx
 
2:13 PM
@PeeHaa thx
 
Np
 
@PeeHaa there might be other headers that are used by some servers, btw, afaik there's no standardised rules specific for bounces, but it will use the same logic as what's behind the "Reply" button in the mail GUI
 
Isn't there also a Reply-To header for that?
 
@PeeHaa send another pr with the same issue in different file
using github search its fairly easy to spot those ;)
 
@PeeHaa ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
2:16 PM
:P
Close
 
god damn it why does that never render right when I do it :-/
 
@DaveRandom md ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@DaveRandom ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom double \\, you complete and utter ape.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2:17 PM
hahahahah
done btw @staabm
 
@PeeHaa thx
 
@JayIsTooCommon That's Mr Complete and Utter Ape to you
 
Anonymous
sorry sir
 
^
on a side note, dat list!!!11oneoneoneoneoneoneoneoenoneoenoen
 
2:35 PM
@Saitama soon 1 million...
 
'noon, bitches
 
\o joe
298
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@Leigh There you go: etherscan.io/tx/… :)
 
woohoo, now I need to find something to do with it
 
buy a pizza
 
2:40 PM
hold on to it :P hopefully it will keep growing
 
^ that may also happen
 
:P
 
@pmmaga do you know how these mining pools work? can't we just write a miner that fakes it and pretends to mine but gets a cut of the payouts? :P
 
WTB tool that hides anything from people called "Lester" from my browser
 
2:46 PM
@Ocramius :P
 
!!urban WTB
 
[ WTB ] Stands for "Want to Buy". Used in internet or game channels where trading is involved. Very commonly heard in the video game Diablo 2.
 
@Leigh i actually never looked at the protocol but that sounds somewhat plausible to do. not sure how you prove to the pool that you are actually trying
interesting.... :P
 
lol that flag
 
Anonymous
@Danack well said :)
 
Anonymous
3:00 PM
@PeeHaa ?
 
Dunno. Something coming out of c++ room stating c++ programming is fun
 
Anonymous
I wish I knew c++ so that I could part of that lounge..
 
:P
 
@JayIsTooCommon you'd also have to massively increase your swearing. but my naive assumption is that comes naturally with C++
 
Anonymous
@Gordon fuck yeah
 
3:10 PM
nice gambling anime
 
Anonymous
Jesus.
 
Anonymous
For comparison, we only have 98 fucks chat.stackoverflow.com/search?room=11&q=fuck
 
@Saitama "I dont watch hentai" he said. then he linked everyone to a comic with chicks in school girl uniforms, miniskirts and gambling
 
> Fuck that group of fish in particular
lolwut
:P
 
3:17 PM
@JayIsTooCommon 98 * 40 = 3920. Dumbass.
@Gordon that's not hentai tho
It might be what you call a little erotic.
 
Anonymous
or fucking disgusting, one of the two
 
@Saitama I call it softcore hentai
 
3:46 PM
aargh I answered a question on superuser and upon me helping the person solve the problem, they deleted the question
so I get no reputation and nobody else with the same problem can find it
:/
 
happens to the best of us
 
sometimes, murder is justifiable ...
2
 
@Andrea same happened to me, a couple of days ago, in SO
 
@JoeWatkins …I'm a bad person for starring that
anyway here's a repost of this draft RFC for operator functions: wiki.php.net/rfc/operator_functions
 
I'm fantastic whatever ...
I want them to be callable at the parser level ... and now I'm a bad person ...
well, is there a good reason that we shouldn't be able to call them directly ?
 
3:52 PM
!!xkcd 979
 
@Andrea copy/paste the text from the original Q and do a self ask/answer
 
@DaveRandom …ew, no
 
to which part?
 
@JoeWatkins Oh they are. Just not using normal syntax.
@JoeWatkins is +($x) a function call or not
 
4:07 PM
Congrats to Waitrose for winning today's edition of 'how the fuck did this typography/shadow combination' get the g… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905068930238164992
 
is aketon a german thing?
 
4:22 PM
@Saitama What value do different layers, cards and form layouts bring to the PHP docs?
I actually investigated this and found we basically wouldn't use them.
We'd use hamburger menu which is common elsewhere, and maybe like a drawer. That's it.
 
well, it brings pleasure to the eye? :D
 
The rest is shadows and stuff.
 
yeah, now that you say it... it would require a total UX change
not just UI
 
@DaveRandom to be fair, this is not getting an unreasonable amount of attention -- mission accomplished?
 
@Dereleased this is the internet, the phrase "to be fair..." has no meaning here.
 
4:30 PM
@Saitama But... for what?
 
does anyone have a tip on how to at best find out where my web-sapi based webrequest runs into a error/die and produces just a white screen of death?
 
display_errors=1 error_reporting=-1?
 
for everything I mean, like we could make each individual article in php.net as a grid element, with the grid being a 100% width with no borders and contrasting colors?
like, currently that page looks quite daunting
 
@DaveRandom this makes my legacy scripts which produce hundreds of warnings/notices etc. start a lot of stuff but it doesnt reach the point where it errors ;)
 
@staabm just set error_reporting=E_ERROR then?
while debugging you can temporarily replace exit/die with trigger_error(__LINE__, E_USER_ERROR)
I mean that's pretty horrid but it sounds like the codebase is already pretty horrid, extreme measure may be required
I'm assuming that you can't simply xdebug here?
 
4:37 PM
good morning room
 
!!wotd
 
catachresis: misuse or strained use of words, as in a mixed metaphor, occurring either in error or for rhetorical effect.
 
argh why are arg_infos static
I mean I can understand why they are but putting them all in one file, far away from the actual function definitions, bothers me
if they were right next to the functions they describe they might actually be paid attention to imo
 
Is your frustration at the issue matched by your willingness to attempt to correct it?
If not, I will help you shake fists at the sky
We'll invent new gods just to burn them in effigy
 
@Dereleased you really need to modify your website...
also, wp? (҂◡_◡) dereleased.com/…
 
4:48 PM
@Saitama Are you interested in handling that? Because I'm not
though I should add the die back into the login page
 
@Dereleased nah...
 
there, I fixed that link you posted
 
@Dereleased I assume that when I check back friday it will act correctly?
 
@Andrea A good question, most times these sort of questions boil down to "Dmitry (or other Zend Engine person) decided to do it that way".
And that's it!
 
@LeviMorrison yeah
 
4:54 PM
If you can make a case for it Dmitry is usually happy to rewrite whatever initial patch you propose to change it ^_^
 
@LeviMorrison hahahaha
 
@NikiC, does Dmitry rewrite your stuff too? I feel like he rewrites a significant portion of zend/ contributions.
I'm not mad at all; my patches were clearly proofs-of-concept that even I would have rewritten.
 
is there a better way to say "as such"?
e.g. As such, I am requesting your viewpoint.
 
@PeeHaa It already does
HTTP/2.0 404 Not Found
Content-Length: 0
 
Does not the correct way to handle it on fridays
I expected better from you
 
5:00 PM
it should have a rebecca black video on fridays
 
have, or redirect to?
 
thatsabingo.mp4
 
probably redirect
 
I am not doing to do request time zone detection, I'm just going to use server time. Everyone ok with that?
 
yes :P
 
Wes
5:05 PM
hey sexy people... and peehaa
\o
 
o/
 
What's the proper URL? I thought there was a rebeccablack.friday
 
move the .
The tld is blackfriday
 
Yeah, I learned this from google while "waiting"
thx tho
 
:-)
 
5:08 PM
ok, behavior is correct now
 
\o/
 
check back in 35 hours to confirm
 
\o/
!!friday
 
@PeeHaa Only 1 day, 6 hours and 50 minutes left until Rebeccaday, OMG!
 
ZOMG
 
5:09 PM
do you want me to make it work in moon time (GMT)?
 
Meh
 
cause I can call date_default_timezone_set() as well as the next guy, belive me. I have the best date_default_timezone_set() calls. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. Truly luxurious calls to date_default_timezone_set()
 
:P
 
And let me tell you about my chocolate cake
 
I keep staring at my email to try and figure out ways to improve the wording. This is frustrating.
It lacks eloquence.
 
5:18 PM
@Tiffany maybe remove a few of the "Yee-Haa! *fires gun in air*" from it
or add some more
And sign it off with "THIS IS AMERICA, BITCH"
 
Wes
add a couple of yippee ki yay too
 
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or you could just sod the email off and go over to the recipients desk and pour beer all over it while yelling "YEAH!" over and over directly into their mouth
 
@DaveRandom but I'm requesting their help...
 
yes, and?
 
5:23 PM
lol
 
on a more serious note, "how-to-English" is reasonably on-topic in here
 
the funny thing is, to me at least, what humors me, is I'm told I have a special way with words to make things sound agreeable
that's not as funny
 
@Tiffany here's a good trick: tweet it. You will immediately think of better phrasing (boom) because it's now public and a bunch of people have read it already
ugh, I'm late /out
 
@DaveRandom \o
 
@DaveRandom Honestly, this is really offensive. Sometimes we fire two guns at once toward the ground to project us into the air.
 
5:31 PM
@Dereleased or just go straight for the assault rifle
because there's nothing wrong with going out in public with your assault rifle strapped to your back... just in case
 
@Tiffany you never know what color kind of threats will be lurking out in public
 
Nite all
 
wasn't it morning moments ago?
o/
 
\o
57 mins ago, by Linus
good morning room
 
somehow it's Noon:30 here
 
5:34 PM
same what I had thought... :P
it 25:75 here
 
:p
 
5:52 PM
insomnia is the worst thing ever
 
Wes
exercise more
 
trying
 
@Wes It's hard for us to get your level of workout, because not everyone can spend as much time as you can dodging the truth and leaping to conclusions.
 
Wes
wat
 
ITT: Excuses
Just playing around. <3 Wes
 
Wes
5:57 PM
room, do you find acceptable if i create a "Throwables" or "Exceptions" subnamespace
like, by default
 
I don't like the idea of grouping them together instead of putting them where they belong
 
Wes
coz in certain places i have like 20 types of exceptions. it seems the program is just exceptions :B
eh me neither
 
Depends. I don't want to have 400 types of argumenterror
 
Wes
6:09 PM
i don't use argument error. i use types :B
at best you get TypeError, but ain't me throwing it...
 
o/
 
Wes
\o
 
Hi from oslo
does the sun ever shine in scandinavia?
 
Wes
not in winter :B
 
6:27 PM
@Dereleased heard some sort of, hurricane 'irma' getting towards FL. You safe?
 
Wes
there was a photo from space on twitter before. the thing is about to hit cuba i think. it's like as big as cuba :(
 
@PeeHaa why?
 
@Danack because a namespace of Exceptions doesn't tell me much
However Http\Response\NotFound does
 
Except if you want to find all of the possible exceptions in an application, that might be a good place to look.
something soemthing difference between app level exceptions and library level exceptions.
 
True but for me context is more important
or rather context means something different for me
 
Wes
6:40 PM
i agree with pee
 
Can I still switch sides?
:P
 
Wes
i will not change my mind
and i general i dislike using namespaces just for the sake of grouping classes
the classes in a namespace must be a small complete program :B
but all these files are very annoying
 
Unrelated, but only three more episodes to go \o/
 
Wes
oh you will hate them
sorry
 
Really? :(
 
Wes
6:48 PM
authors moved on already. they just want to finish it
 
@PeeHaa you usually put them in an Exception namespace in the right context
@Wes about the func_get_args() thing, do you need to make it happen magically, or is changing the code OK?
@Saitama btw, on hentai stuff, you are just missing all the fun.
your loss.
 
@Andrea whoa, PHP functions have nothing lost in zend_operators
 
Wes
 
MY EYES
@Wes WHY
 
Wes
...
 
6:52 PM
j/k, actually brilliant :P
 
@Andrea And they especially have nothing lost interleaved between core engine code
 
Wes
it's not that brilliant @Ocramius it just works. no need to mock me :B
 
@Wes not mocking you, could actually make it into a lib :D
 
Wes
i started an org on github, i want to make 1 function = 1 repo for those functions that are just random functions that cannot be classified otherwise. i have a bunch of those
but i couldn't find a good name for the org so i didn't do it.
:B
 
as long as you test it and have mutation testing for it :P
@Wes unfucked_func_get_args()
 
6:57 PM
libzip package on windows.php.net doesn't include DLLs – #75165
 
Wes
name of the org i mean. this is the best i got so far github.com/phpmiscellanea
(i'm joking)
i always question the quality or usefulness of the code i write :B so i never publish it
 
@Wes unfucked-php dude
not so hard, although it could grant a github ban
otherwise, you are welcome to publish under github.com/shittysoft
 
Wes
lol
in unrelated news, i just deleted tons of code that was originally written because "i'm surely gonna need this" but i never needed it
and boy it was a lot :B
not even tested for the most part
 
btw, this func_get_args() thing just exposed a bug in the proxy thingy I built -.-
groan
 
Wes
i asked you immediately because you suggested me to do that and i imagined that like me you might have not noticed that problem :B
 
7:07 PM
@Wes Does the issue with func_get_args() actually block anything? At this point I see it as a legacy function that is no longer needed now that we have the ... operator.
Is there some use-case that ... doesn't cover?
 
Wes
public function bar(int $foo, float $bar = 1.5){ // interface to fulfill
    return $this->wrappee->bar(...func_get_args());
}
public function bar(...$arguments){ // can't do this
    return $this->wrappee->bar(...$arguments);
}
 
@Wes that's a bad way to do it
If you already have to repeat the signature, then you can just repeat the arguments too
 
@Wes But there's no reason to write the function call that way. Just write $this->wrappee->bar($foo, $bar);
 
And not pay the performance price of func_get_args + unpack
Actually, the only legit reason of writing that code is if you specifically don't want to pass unspecified optional arguments
Because the called code makes a difference between passing null and not passing anything for example (rare, but happens)
Which, given your recent complaints, does not appear to be the case, so I'm at something of a loss here
 
@Ocramius Sorry slow. Was getting rid of tv. Depends on the number of exceptions
 
Wes
7:11 PM
i don't normally use it but i do in certain cases
but yeah i've already gotten rid of it where i could
 
@NikiC yeah I wondered about it, I'm fixing
 
/me cleaned inbox \o/
 
by the way… do we have a rule as to when you add yourself to Authors:? I think that might have been intended to include everyone who touched a file for copyright reasons, but in practice it hardly does
 
never sure whether i should feel guilty about the huge backlog or happy it's gone
 
Wes
7:26 PM
also in unrelated news. i've installed xdebug and got phpstorm's debugger integrated with it
which makes me programmer level 2 in this pic
 
Are there any self hosted complete PHP CI things out there. As in static analyzer, test runner etc with some webinterface. Maybe some docker image(s)?
 
Wes
this? :B
 
Yes :P Still need that. Might poke it of there isn't something easy yet :P
woops. I need a default site on nginx :|
 
o/
 
Wes
7:31 PM
lol
 
unrelatingly: json-schema can be a nightmare
 
Every time I see json-schema I think: it's spelled XML dude!
 
except it's not?
;)
you mean that, you'd even prefer xml to json schema?
gasps
 
Well xml can be easily validated. It feels like they gone full circle every time when I look at the name
 
oh
We use it to actually define a standard of communication between services and apis
like, json should be structured that way. oh, and xml sucks lul
.... yeah. that's exactly what you said.
 
7:35 PM
:P
ugh I might just dick around and start the project from scratch and fail again when I am busy yet again
 
@PeeHaa GrumPHP maybe?
 
hmmmm description sounds interesting
 
I would have thought one of the phpci docker images would be usable -
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=phpci+docker
 
\o/
 
Can I ask question here? my question is relatedhere
 
7:48 PM
I thought of another use for operator functions
// Convert numbers from strings to ints or floats as appropriate
$numbers = array_map('+', $_GET["numbers"]);
Currently we don't have a standard library function for converting to a number in the same way + does (there's only intval and floatval). Now we would!
 
Wes
apparently i deleted too much code
 

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