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12:15 AM
User referencing own library without indicating association. Last few answers do the same thing not the first time I've seen this happening for this topic area stackoverflow.com/a/45555763/5233410
 
 
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1:58 AM
ot-su
 
user3956566
2:50 AM
@Nkosi I woke up and one of the first things I thought about was the question we were discussing last night :)
 
yeah shoot.
That happens to me sometimes. I think its more my OCD that anything else. lol
 
3:49 AM
Seems its French....
spam
 
 
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4:58 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto you can ping an RO to remove your cv
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto poke @Kyll @rene
(I guess they are the closest in the timezone)
 
5:57 AM
@AlonEitan Code added 3 minutes ago.
 
Thanks :)
And I didn't even need to ping rene
 
@AshishAhuja pokes back
 
6:17 AM
Hey
is there an easy way to count the amount of times you've been review banned?
 
Egg cooker rec ^
 
The question was about eggs :-)
 
Yep, and it's actually quite a good and convincing recommendation
 
Is /review still shot btw?
 
what do you mean @Magisch?
 
6:23 AM
Didn't the amounts of reviews decrease by a ridiculous amount due to the topbar change?
Has that evened out or is it still down
 
@Magisch I don't know much about review ban (just skip if uncertain), probably someone RO has more knowledge for it.
 
6:42 AM
mornin @everyone. o/
 
Morning \o
 
7:05 AM
Morning
 
Morning c|_| Cofee?
 
!!/coffee
 
@suraj brews coffee for @suraj
 
Is this asking for an external resource? It's certainly attracting them.
If not I'll go with too broad but would like to get the close reason right
 
I'm asking fo a simple guideline aka tutorial
 
7:18 AM
Yeah that's how I read it too, thanks.
 
Is socvr.org down only for me?
 
Also down for me o/
 
I can't get on either
 
its down for me too
 
7:25 AM
glad to be not alone on that one ...
@gunr2171 when you wake up can you reboot socvr.org?
 
7:51 AM
@RiggsFolly, It make me think about "The Ministry Of Silly Walk" i had to comment about it!
 
NAA ^
Plagiarism? (source - I'm not sure though)
 
@AlonEitan close enough if you ask me
 
@rene Thanks. Reported
 
8:19 AM
@rene looks like it is up now
^ unclear as well.. not english
 
The software itself. But they didn't even have a question mark there, so I agree it can be flagged as unclear too
 
@suraj yep! \o/
 
@rene Please delete - Op self-answered :(
 
Thanks
 
8:33 AM
yw
 
 
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11:11 AM
Should I flag for mod this one stackoverflow.com/questions/45566650/… who reverts back to that idiotic promise I will definetly upvote the response..?
Well coming to think about it, what can a moderator do
Just close that question
 
11:32 AM
Morning
 
Hello o/
 
I made my best to help this user have a decent question. He still just need an if else. But his question is now Clear stackoverflow.com/questions/45566535/…. I bring it here cause fire alrm Brings it to you earlier
 
11:35 AM
@DragandDrop So your asking for a [reopen-pls]
 
No, Im not I feel like this question is not valuable for future So user. Im asking for close voter to review their vote if they want to.
 
close vote or vote vote?
 
In the current state it's an ok- question. I don't [reopen-plz] those.
 
^ Also has an edit that deserves a reject.
 
But as the user was fairly active after he post his question and didn't vanish in the void. I try to teach him how to make an ok question.
 
11:45 AM
Would this question get auto-deleted stackoverflow.com/questions/45567185/… ? Because there are 3 terrible answers (Unaccepted)
 
@AlonEitan Yes. as long as there is no accepted answer and all the other answers are 0 or lower the roomba will clean it up
 
@NathanOliver Good to know. Thanks
 
12:29 PM
@DragandDrop Can you test something for me?
 
@NathanOliver yes!
 
@DragandDrop If you click on the flag link here or here do you get a VLQ option?
 
in flag , then off topics ?
 
Just in the main flag menu. Is there a very low quality option?
 
Both no.
 
12:40 PM
OK. Thanks
 
Spam/rude/close/dupe/mod
is the only main option in flag menu
 
Thanks for checking.
 
We always need a Low Rep Friend. Only low rep has the abilities to understand the unclear. And we make could test subject!
 
And as a french guy i can translate every broken English to less broken English.
 
12:44 PM
It's hard to remember what it was like being a scrub ;)
 
Scrub ? You talking to me? Are you talking to me!? They call me Mr. Scrub!
 
:) Sorry Mr Scrub
 
morning!
@rene is socvr.org still down for you?
 
Hiya gunr
 
@RiggsFolly Reject that edit too
 
user3956566
too crook to close today \o
 
@YvetteColomb "Too crook"? Aussie term?
 
oops flooding again with my cv-pls... i will slow down
 
1:28 PM
@AlonEitan Just be sure to vote on other's requests (if you consider them valid of course). The ratio should be around 5 votes for every request of your own
5
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Understood. I will make sure to follow that ratio
 
In other words, that will be 20 CVs please
 
It's a currency now!?
 
No, it's a philosophy
 
@JonClements CloseCoins. Can be exchanged for closing other threads or fertilizer
 
1:36 PM
@JonClements You haven't heard about the cv-pls blockchain?
 
Why do you think we have so many bots anyways? Mining... always mining...
 
Funny thing is two major cryptocurrencies forked in the last week or so. Both went up in value. Someone should have told Github forking for money is a thing
 
Forking for money has been a thing for a while, oops wrong word ;)
 
2:49 PM
sets the curtains on fire OWO
=w=
 
3:04 PM
@NathanOliver pffffft pleb!
you need more flags then rep, so it's better you stop answering :D
 
pot calling kettle black ;)
 
@gunr2171 it has rectified itself ...
 
ok, good
 
@xenteros no real need. delete the question gets rid of the whole thing.
 
Ron
3:19 PM
o/
 
o/
 
\o
 
\o
 
3:28 PM
Is objective-c different than swift?
 
@gunr2171 In what perspective? They're different languages.
Both are used for iOS development AFAIK.
 
@E_net4 stackoverflow.com/questions/45549786/… edit is adding objective-c tag when swift is already there
 
@gunr2171 I'd reject as it looks like the OP wants a swift answer.
 
Well, I don't do Apple-specific development. doesn't seem to hurt, but adding might go against the OP's intent.
 
that's what I thought
 
3:34 PM
There's nothing iPhone-specific about the question, and is already there, so that's irrelevant, too.
 
3:56 PM
After multiple inquiries by News4, the Virginia Tech Transportation Institute said Monday afternoon that the van and van driver are part of a study they are conducting on driverless cars. The worker was wearing the uniform he was supposed to wear.
 
Yep.
 
Ron
4:17 PM
What's the policy on tags when having a question that deals with the c++-cli exclusively? Put that tag, the c++ one or both? Like in this case.
 
@Ron put the one you think most relates to the question
or both it you think they both help describe it better
 
Ron
I see. Thanks.
 
always use and and for maximum exposure
 
grumble grumble grumble
 
4:31 PM
that
Code inexplicably starts to fail out of nowhere. We don't know why it worked now that we know why it's failing! =w=
Dependency management! Makes the hard things easy, and the easy things hard!
 
@Compass are we talking in now?
@Compass and doesn't touch medium things
 
A dependency I depend on has a time paradoxed away.
Almost 1PM. I need lunch!
Maybe I should do Persian today.
 
4:46 PM
If people use Divi to build a website visually, are they allowed to not include an MCVE?
 
:|
 
idk, fallback answer: depends
 
Depends on what?
 
whether or not the question actually needs a mcve. Not all of them do.
 
> "I'm trying achieve _____ in Divi and have reached this point [offsite link to website]. How can I do this?"
Does something like that need an MCVE?
Here's the actual link: stackoverflow.com/q/45573795/5764553
 
4:56 PM
@AndrewMyers "how do I make": no. "how do I fix": yes
 
@gunr2171 That makes sense
 
The third paragraph however says the person has made an attempt but it "doesn't work", so that code should be mcve'd into the post
It seems you've made a start with some code but it doesn't work for you. Can you create an Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example of your site so we can reproduce the issue? — gunr2171 6 secs ago
> to create my own Flashlight app
oh, flash light
whoops
 
Is it just me, or does there seem to be more people here than usual?
 
yeah, we've got 3.5 rows of people now
usually it's a row less
and, as always, we've got bluefeet and Zephyr holding up the end
 
We're moving to a bigger room shortly, just hold your breath until then ...
 
5:07 PM
@rene "bigger room" Would that be the Tavern on the Meta?
 
@AndrewMyers don't make me laugh
No really. My gut would hurt.
 
@AndrewMyers with stuff like this I would have to do a lot of work to get that room under control, if that is even possible ...
 
What are foreign languages supposed to be flagged as? Off-topic something, right?
 
@rene what do you have against bananas?
Those great sources of potassium
 
@AndrewMyers unclear usually
 
5:13 PM
Aww, it was just an audit anyway. @gunr2171, you passed!
 
\o/
 
5:25 PM
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Q: Can someone [phone] the burninator?

EJoshuaSSo, the phone tag has the following description: DO NOT USE THIS TAG! Use a more specific tag instead, e.g.: [windows-phone-8], [android] or [ios]. That alone kind of tells you that it should be burninated. However, for consistency, here are the criteria: No, it doesn't unambiguously des...

 
@JarrodRoberson That's not a valid close reason, that's a downvote reason
 
5:42 PM
Never mind. It might not have been as bad as I initially thought.
 
6:00 PM
@M.A.R. ..some of it radioactive, like SO questions.
Funnily enough, I'm eating a banana ATM. It has a 'Columbia, FAIRTRADE' label stuck on, but no ionising radiation warning:(
 
Hrm... not sure how to close this mess. Dupe it? No MCVE?
 
@Machavity Unclear certainly works, as would Too Broad.
 
6:38 PM
@KubaOber I don't think that's "general computing". It trying to install the language interpreter. I'd go with "unclear" instead, because the information given is not enough to help with.
plop kyll
 
Plop gunr
How are ya?
 
good, currently not in a meeting, waiting for a build to finish
we haven't done tf2 together in a while
 
It's been weeks, if not months
I'd enjoy a game or ten this week-end =D
 
that can be arranged :)
oh, since when does your edit box and message outline in orange when you edit a message?
 
7:02 PM
@gunr2171 No idea, I use a dark theme
 
eats a salad
 
7:22 PM
@gunr2171 since JeremyBanks made a few improvements to chat, breaking all bots in the process
 
ah
 
Woot, great answer badge
 
Great!
 
\o/
 
\o/
 
7:32 PM
ty
 
7:43 PM
@rene it's all to give us some nice features in the mentor project, so lets forgive him
Soon the mentor project will start it's interesting they have implement a feature in chat that we can see the question as OP edit's it. It will probably be messy in chat but still I love that SE tries to experiment some to improve the general question quality.
 
@PetterFriberg I'm looking forward to it
 
It's just that it's quite a famous library and that particular OP isn't the owner of it.
 
J F
Comment edited. Thanks for pointing that out!
 
Np. Thanks for the edit.
 
8:00 PM
@JasonVanBenschoten At this particular moment, the SO mod flag queue has 25 items waiting for review. — bluefeet ♦ 1 min ago
4
PRAISE THE NEW MODS
6
 
@BhargavRao bring it down to 0
 
Nah, I'm about to sleep.
Andy and Cody will bring em down.
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah: real-time vamps. I can hardly wait............
 
Is it possible to ban someone from suggesting edits?
 
I believe so. If I am not mistaken you get auto banned with too many rejected edits
 
8:12 PM
@MartinJames I will send'em prepared to you ;)
 
@NisseEngström sure, flag a post and explain what is wrong with the edits and the pattern you found (with links) then let a mod handle it
 
@PetterFriberg Let's see. Vamps is stakes, fire or beheading, right? Silver is just for the weres in the PHP room?
 
they can then ban the user from suggesting edits
 
@rene Thanks. It's not a show-stopper yet. I think I'll do a little editing and commenting and see where that goes.
 
@JF & @Makyen maybe time to clean up comments, op have edit the answer, it does not look like VLQ/NAA (stackoverflow.com/a/45576857/5292302)
 
8:23 PM
@PetterFriberg Done. Thanks for pointing out the change.
 
@NathanOliver which group are you in? are you also in the "soft launch this Thursday"?
 
8:38 PM
would you consider this plag? The oldest one I find is this https://stackoverflow.com/a/5663054/, then we have
https://stackoverflow.com/a/16412797/2, https://stackoverflow.com/a/28939413/ and https://stackoverflow.com/a/43994366
 
I'm in group 3 but I'll be there for the launch just to watch it
 
ok, I'm in 2, I will also be lurking.
 
@PetterFriberg flag'em all
LURKERS UNTIED \o/
 
@PetterFriberg Looks like simple copy-&-paste plagiarism to me (without the formatting of the original). I only checked the first copy in detail, but the others looked basically the same (the last looks like it adds a little, but is still basically a copy).
 
ok thanks flagged 1 with links to all other (I need to safe some flags :D)
@NathanOliver Did you see the automatic update of question in chat?, when I was testing with Joe?
 
8:45 PM
No.
 
check the other room, the question that arrives is update in chat as OP edits.
it was really nice, I did not think SE would have had time/energy to develop a feature like that for this experiment
 
thats cool. I'll check in a bit
 
@NathanOliver Lurkers untied? All lurkers should be on a leash, like greyhounds.
 
9:26 PM
hi
 
@simplename Hi
 
@halfer Your link is to a comment. Are you actually making the request about the question?
 
Ooh sorry, I will repost that. Yes, it was meant to point to a question.
 
baah leave it, cv script will run anyway, I don't think it makes much difference happens often
 
9:41 PM
ok
Hope it does not upset the various bots that lurk 'round these parts :)
/me imagines if Skynet could be brought down by a Parse Error
 
@PetterFriberg Are you sure the archive script will pick it up?
 
pretty sure, I think it's better then multiple request (that alerts RO) and then we have a lot of explaining to do :) hide all thezz stuff
hmm user is not giving up...
 
Hello @simplename
-4 on that spam after 1min, not bad
 
I hope that mods know that it's spam, they can see it as NAA/VLQ if they are not aware of history
 
@PetterFriberg I was actually wondering, because a script I'm working on specifically rejects it due to being to a comment rather than to a question. Thanks for testing the request script, I was doing so too, but the first time I tried it was not yet found in the search (caching). Sigh... Which basically means I need to adjust the script I'm working on to be more forgiving. Hmmm... I'm undecided. The script differentiates between different types of links, not just assuming they all are to questions.
 
9:55 PM
ooh, you decide Makyen but comment link also have link to question, I mean if cv-pls it's always a question, you can cut after answer id. I'm Not sure if it is really better for chat to have user to repost cv-pls, maybe better just to ask for clarification. Anyway ask rene he's the boss!
@ScottWeldon hmm meta, we do not do that...
@halfer just to mess with you I went unclear :D
 
@PetterFriberg Tee hee :-p
 
@ScottWeldon I moved your request out of our transcript as we don't moderate meta from this room. Mainly to prevent a conflict of interest in case this room itself is subject on meta.
 
@rene: can't we accept re-open requests though? They're much less contentious, and we can recuse ourselves if the Meta Q is about the room
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah, I was getting to along those lines. cv-pls/reopen-pls is always supposed to be a question, so a link to a comment or answer could be redirected to the containing question, but for other types of requests (del-pls, etc.) could only redirect to the containing answer or question (if not on an answer). However, it does not seem appropriate to do so outside of messages that are explicitly tagged as requests.
 
10:06 PM
@halfer You are not asking me, but still I want weigh in, meta is meta, it really does not have the need for SOCVR (no problem with queue ecc), so my idea would be no.
 
@halfer it is much clearer to have the no meta rule. So: No, we can't accept re-open requests. But if you feel strong about it, I invite you to create an issue on GitHub for the next roommeeting and then we can discuss it.
 
Alright, no worries. No, I don't feel strongly about it :-)
 
@halfer, BTW: In case you're not aware, there's a nice user script which will generate cv-pls requests for you from the question page. It is much more convenient than generating them by hand.
 
@Makyen As I see it you can maybe just remove the commentXXX_XXX from end of link, I see often user link to comment instead of question (specially if typo, comment that OP stating it's tipo), but not that important to me, you are the dev, you choose.
 
Thanks Makyen, I do mean to get Tampermonkey installed, but my FF runs like a dog anyway, and I've been wary of giving another reason to slow down. Might be something to do with the ~60 tabs I have open at any one time!
 
10:13 PM
@PraveenKumar comment is so so, I know it's fun, but still it's not really constructive to OP ;)
 
@PetterFriberg I know... What if the OP is trolling?
 
presume good faith, if not then nuke'em
as it stands, you are trolling some ;)
 
Perhaps light trolling is all we have to maintain some sanity :-)
For my next troll, all of my comments on closeworthy questions will have run-on sentences featuring subtle forms of begging, thus: To get the best response on Stack Overflow, provide an MCVE plz halp me i am new here
 
true, but still, better to troll each other
2
 
I fear that it will actually never be spotted by the OP though
 
10:21 PM
@halfer While Firefox can bog down (I do restart it every few days), I have 687 tabs currently in this (main) profile; another profile open with 650+ (various research/tasks, which should get cleaned up); with 3 other profiles open with a much smaller number of tabs (usually testing, but some other reasons). Then in Chrome another 4 profiles with a couple hundred tabs (mostly testing, but again other reasons too). For Firefox, are you running the 32bit or 64 bit version?
 
I run 54.0 on Linux Mint, 64-bit, though it's running inside a VirtualBox VM, which is probably part of the reason for the slowness. Host has 8G of RAM, guest has ~5G RAM. However, good news: tabs are getting a performance boost in the next release! omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/firefox-55-released-whats-new
My beloved Dell XPS13 ultrabook can't be upgraded RAM-wise, but there's a tempting 16G one available these days...
Yay, I correctly predicted a rickroll :-p
 
Ron
Southern Europeans are coming in hot.
Literally.
 
10:36 PM
Could there possibly be any redeeming qualities in an edit that (besides indenting the code) changes true and false to !0 and !1, removes optional semicolons, and calls it changes to indentation? Fortunately, no reviewer approved it...
 
Ron
@NisseEngström Indenting a code can make a world of difference.
 
@NisseEngström I would do a short evil laugh. And then reject.
 
@NisseEngström I would say no. That seems like coding style changes ...
 
@E_net4: I prefer a cackle myself, but I realise it's subjective
 
@rene No prob, wasn't aware of that. The CV Request Generator script still shows up on Meta, so I opened an issue about that: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/issues/97
 
10:38 PM
@halfer Very.
 
Ron
Proper indentation is not good editing?
What if there is a substantial amount of brick code?
 
@halfer RAM is a significant benefit, as is an SSD. For Firefox, using the 64bit version also provides significant benefit, particularly if you have more RAM, but probably even if the memory it's using is virtual instead of actual RAM. I'm assuming you have a reasonably sized swap space defined for both the host and VM. Yeah, being inside a VM will always result in some reduction in performance. Thanks for the pointer to improvements in FF55. I'll check it out.
 
@Ron: unless code is really unreadable, it is best not to touch it, as it might inadvertently fix the issue.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Oh no, not again.
These people rustle my jimmies. :-(
 
@E_net4: again and again and again
 
10:42 PM
@Makyen: thanks. I am on SSD, but it's pretty full, and I seem to recall SSD performance drops off if you don't have much space available. I've got 8G of swap on the host, 5G of swap on the guest.
I think both host and guest have disk encryption though, and I should probably drop guest encryption to reduce CPU usage. That might help
 
Ron
Run VMs from a SSD. A world of difference.
 
@Ron Well, the edit made it slightly better, but that doesn't explain the other bizarre changes.
 
Ron
@NisseEngström Can I get the link to the post?
 
@Ron Indenting code to improve readability is a good thing. However, you shouldn't change the indent style (as long as it's semi-reasonable and used consistently). If the style used is not consistent throughout the code in the post, then pick the style that's used the most in the post and apply it throughout the post. However, the changes mentioned (changing true and false to !0 and !1, etc.) are not acceptable.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I saw the comment :D, now I know how you avoid queeny ;)
just kidding
 
10:45 PM
OOps
 
Ron
@Makyen That I agree with. I was referring to brick code posts without any indentation.
 
@Ron Nope. I don't want to hang the user out in public. I just wanted a reality check.
 
@halfer It probably will help. Yes, SSD performance, particularly older SSDs, does degrade with less free space available (performance at such times is one of the criteria which should be looked at when choosing an SSD). Most of the other SSD stuff (OS properly using trim, partitions on SSD appropriate boundaries, etc.) should be automatically detected and properly set up for any Linux based full-install in the last few (several?) years.
 
11:07 PM
@Makyen I'm running MSATA SSD, machine is ~3.5 years old. I should probably clear some space on the drive.... "472 GB — 36 GB free (92.4% full)"
 
@ScottWeldon FYI: I'm working on updating the cv-generator script. What you desire is implemented as an option. Currently, default is: GUI is shown on non-SOCVR sites to keep it similar to current. There's also the option for non-SOCVR sites to show the GUI button, but to not show cv-pls and reopen-pls request-types & default-route the (SD report/spam/offensive) request to Charcoal HQ instead of SOCVR. If people think other options/something else would be appropriate I can change/put those in.
 
Ron
@halfer Consider VMware Workstation Player.
 
@Ron I've not heard of that, is that part of VirtualBox, or another mfr's virtualisation system?
Aha, your edit answers my Q :-)
Is it faster than VB?
 
Ron
@halfer Highly recommended product.
It is free for certain scenarios. I use the Vmware Workstation. Amazing peace of virtualization software.
 
If it puts my fan at peace, I'll regard it as a great piece of software :-)
 
11:14 PM
@halfer That doesn't sound too unreasonable. It's going to depend on the exact model of SSD. Where performance starts to degrade, or even if the degradation is significant, will depend on the model. If it's an SDD which came stock with the laptop, it's more likely that it could be an issue, as the models used by laptop manufacturers are usually chosen for least-cost above all other factors.
 
Ron
@halfer Do excuse my English. It leaves much to be desired.
 
@Makyen: no, the lappy came with a 240G drive, I upgraded it. I can't remember the exact specs though
No worries @Ron, I was only pulling your leg (handy English idiom)
 
Ron
@halfer As long as it is a leg I am fine with it ;)
 
Heh heh
 
Ron
@halfer It's much faster than the VB btw.
 
11:22 PM
Ooh, I might try that, thanks. Looks like the native VirtualBox "VDI" VM format can be exported to VMWare, too.
 
Ron
You are most welcome.
 
11:57 PM
Some anon user is trying to add [apache-spark] to a ton of questions
 

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