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10:00 AM
@Gordon Care to explain?
 
@JayIsTooCommon How can I be jealous towards fiction?
 
You are talking about that list missing valid urls?
 
@JayIsTooCommon why do you setup jokes so easily!?
 
lol
 
...
 
10:01 AM
Thanks for the reply, Actually I want to get the reply count of particular tweet through API. @PeeHaa
 
Anonymous
hahaha
 
Morgen
 
Wes
@Kurisu WHO THE F ARE YOU
 
lol nice timing @kelunik. We need the same thing :)
 
10:01 AM
What do you need it for?
 
yesterday, by Kurisu
@Wes I DO NOT KNOW
 
Are you interested in non "full" urls?
 
anyone know how to get reply count of any tweets through API?
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon ASSHOLE
2
 
s/full/absolute
Mornigns @Ekin \o/
 
10:02 AM
@PeeHaa Yes, we need that for Artax.
Want to wrap something in github.com/amphp/uri and use that then.
 
k
 
Morning
 
@PeeHaa the majority of these are not valid URLs as per the RFC
 
That way we can easily swap the implementation if something is buggy in one.
 
10:03 AM
@Ekin mornings kurisu
 
@Gordon The idn stuff?
 
ok continue your talk, guys :) bye
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon does this look like a ear to you i.imgur.com/xZcD92N.png remember that i know where you live
/me waits for someone to say "the trunk is too short"
 
Do you have a better list @Gordon?
 
@kelunik nice, there's even a true/php-punycode dep … I think @DaveRandom may be interested in that?!
 
10:05 AM
@bwoebi Yes, I have copied the normalization to amphp/dns for now, as @DaveRandom isn't ready yet.
 
I want to do some benchmarks for libraries but I would need a proper list first
Oooooor I can just start with a list and let people tell me I am wrong and fix it is I go?
 
@PeeHaa when you go through questions on SO, you will find that most people dont differentiate between a technically valid url and what a human would call a url. The list is the best I could find thouhg
 
Which kinda makes sense for the purpose
 
@kelunik github.com/amphp/dns/commit/… … what's the serialization for?!
 
@bwoebi Cache accepts only string, we decided that long ago.
 
10:07 AM
I just remember URLs are a rabbit hole
 
But didn't enforce it for ArrayCache.
Now it's in the interface.
 
@kelunik uuh … did we?
 
Now I lost all motivation @Gordon. Tnx
 
Anonymous
@Wes definitely looks more like an ear :)
 
@PeeHaa see before and after chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=32157721#32157721 for more details. you are welcome :)
 
10:08 AM
@bwoebi Yes, back when writing sessions. It's not the job of the cache to serialize your stuff.
 
@Gordon :P
I will just stop whining and write something and let you take it apart @Gordon if that is ok?
Also ping @DaveRandom
That guy will keep yelling the entire week about stuff like that
 
@PeeHaa aint nobody got time for that. just do your thing :)
 
@kelunik But you could say it's the job of the cache to preserve your passed data … whether it happens via serialization or not is transparent to the user
 
Also now I think we need a repo which contains lists to test implementation against. Not just for URLs but also for other rfc
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom has been gone a while.. where is he?
 
10:11 AM
Aaaaaaaaand another side project is born
Fuck this
 
:P
 
@PeeHaa if all you wanna do is benchmarks, then the list is fine
 
@bwoebi No, just serialize it yourself.
 
Not performance benchmarks though
 
Then it works the same with every cache impl.
 
10:11 AM
Although I actually want that too now
Fuuuuuck
 
@kelunik well, that should be a given anyway. … but I don't know how having it a responsibility of the user changes anything
 
@bwoebi But you can't guarantee that with accepting any object, because not everything is serializable.
 
I will just be naive by making something broken and make it public so people can fix it
 
@kelunik I'm not saying we need to accept any value. but we shall accept basic datastructures.
 
@PeeHaa sounds like a valid plan
 
10:14 AM
@bwoebi And serialize doesn't interoperate with other languages.
@bwoebi With PHP 7.2 you're free to define a JsonCache that implements the interface and accepts basic data structures.
 
@kelunik Then use a cache backend which doesn't use serialize. As simple as that. If you need to access a caches data, then you need a specifically tailored solution to the cache.
 
@bwoebi And it breaks anything that worked before, because other implementations used serialize, no thanks.
Then I don't need an interface at all.
 
@kelunik no??
 
user1804599
@NikiC you should compact after N deletes
 
@bwoebi It does, if you cache objects somewhere.
 
10:24 AM
@kelunik As long as we require input === output and only accept basic datastructures … no.
 
user1804599
I want to get started fixing bugs in PHP.
 
user1804599
That is the shipped libraries and extensions and Zend engine.
 
@rightfold you mean submitting PRs?
 
user1804599
Yes!
 
Sounds awesome
 
10:27 AM
@bwoebi You can't type that and I expect things to go wrong.
 
@kelunik yeah, you need an explicit check for that.
It's our typing system being too limited…
 
user1804599
How do you prevent two people from working on the same issue?
 
user1804599
@tereško oh come on
 
@rightfold pingback scripts, flagging as "being processed"
 
user1804599
10:33 AM
Cool
 
@bwoebi I don't want to release a new major for that, let's test it with the current API.
 
@kelunik haha :-P
 
@Wes Can I please use one of your elephant logos for a new github organisation? <3
 
Wes
yes, here's my iban
why you want to do that :B they suck
 
I liked most of them :P
 
Anonymous
10:41 AM
@PeeHaa what organisation!? why am I not invited?! Do I get paid!? I'll take the job.
 
Although I will have to fight @Ekin for the tron eyed one :P
 
Wes
too bad i deleted them all
i thought you all hated them
 
@PeeHaa yes :P
 
Wes
especially that lil mofo british bieber
 
hehehe
 
Anonymous
10:42 AM
@Wes aw, thank you <3
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa oi
 
Anonymous
what organisation? Why haven't I been consulted?
 
@JayIsTooCommon github.com/php-implementations no monies involved. Just another sideproject I think might be useful
 
Anonymous
i'll stop now.
 
Wes
@PeeHaa i can make a dildo as logo for free, anything else paid
 
10:43 AM
If you are interested into doing it you clearly are invited :) And everybody else for that matter
 
Wes
:B
just add something first
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa to be fair, go with the dildo and just use that bit as a trunk
 
Wes
otherwise it ends up like gitlicious
 
:D
Sorry :(
That logo is sexy as hell though
 
Wes
that was simple at least
 
10:45 AM
And tasty
 
Is there a way in PhpDocumentor (or whatever to make PhpStorm understand) to say "This class extends another class" like:
class TwigRender
{
    public function __construct(Twig $twig, $language, $country)
    {
        $this->twig = $twig;
    }

    public function __call($name, $arguments)
    {
        call_user_func_array([$this->twig, $name], $arguments);
    }

    public function extraFunc() {...}
}
That class virtually extends Twig - but PhpStorm doesn't know it, so can't provide autocomplete.
 
Searching for deocartor annotation doesn't give me anything
 
there is no nice way to annotate decorators
 
bugger.
 
Wes
@Danack put "<?php class TwigRender extends Whatever{}" in some file like twigrender.stub.php
 
10:47 AM
Maybe PR it? Dunno how they are with extension PRs
 
Wes
while still having twigrender.php
 
I really want class TwigRender decorates Twig { ... } :(
 
Wow they have a lot of open issues
 
@PeeHaa I'm beginning to think that future advances in PHP are more likely to come from magic like PhpDocumentor and auto-generated code, in a similar way to how JS is advancing by having a precompile step.
 
Wes
10:49 AM
did that work @Danack?
 
@Wes trying it - it's very likely to give "multiple declarations exist".
 
@Danack I would fucking hate that
I assume you seen github.com/preprocess
 
Wes
yes, but shouldn't cause problems
 
At best they assume things will work in a certain way once (if ever) implemented in the language
 
10:52 AM
> if ever
 
I know I know
 
that's the point.....some of them won't be implemented for at least 5 years.
 
:)
Not saying you are wrong or even disagree
But I don't like the idea of having to need that
Which in theory makes totes sense, but in practice.... things move too slow in places :(
 
@Wes it works for the autocomplete, so thanks. My OCD is kicking in for the gray underline for the class usage though, from the duplicate declaration.
@tereško I watched it a couple of years ago - can't remember it, so probably ought to watch it again.
 
11:08 AM
Any ideas on how to proceed with my RFC from here? I suspended the vote pending more discussion, but there is no more discussion.. So I'm not sure what to do next.. /cc @PeeHaa @NikiC
 
Not sure if people expect a new rfc discuss mail. Although it kinda annoys me that people who were yelling at you are nowehere to be seen anymore...
Doesn't surprise me, but still annoying
 
Anonymous
probably because their twitter likes died down.
 
haha :P
 
Better ask @NikiC @Danack etc. They know what they are doing. And that @Danack usually has sane opinions about these things
 
Wes
@Danack lol
 
11:12 AM
I think @Sara is pretty much OK with anything
 
@pmmaga just leave it alone 6 months? There's a lot of stuff going on and if it's targetting 8 - then there is no rush.
As we are almost certain to have a 7.3 release.
 
my idea for now would be: Ignore the deprecation notice. leave it as a best effort, keep working on the PR to get it nice, but basically remove it from the discussion. the point of the RFC is not the deprecation notice, so....
 
Aug 6 '15 at 16:20, by Danack
Also, I updated the Consistent Callables RFC, so that I'm already to submit it...in like a year.
Is actually behind schedule.
 
Anyone showing their face at DPC next week?
 
lol dat timestamp :)
 
11:17 AM
@Danack i guess that's an option, yeah. but i'm not sure what will change in the meanwhile, and if there is no discussion whatsoever i'll be having the same questions then as I have now :P
 
@pmmaga Or the horse might learn to sing.
but just avoiding trying to discuss it when there are so many other RFCs in flight, and while internals has more stupid people active on it that usual is probably a good idea.
@DamienOvereem I will if I book a flight. I probably ought to book a flight.
 
@Danack good point
 
You probably should ;p
 
@Danack I read cannibalistic callables
 
user1804599
11:30 AM
Would this need an RFC? bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=66689
 
user1804599
Lol, wat, HHVM prints string(2) "42" for var_dump(42::class);.
 
user1804599
But for $x = 42; var_dump($x::class); it fails with a vague error "Fatal error: Uncaught Error: ::class can only be used on scalars in /in/nMq5H:4"
 
user1804599
It probably just uses the text of the token in front of ::.
 
@rightfold It would need an RFC, that would be very unlikely to pass.
 
@bwoebi Could you review the changes in amphp/file?
 
@rightfold are you doing php core development now? how did that happen?
 
user1804599
I'm interested in fixing issues.
 
user1804599
Well, I'll be jobless for another two weeks, so I need something to do.
 
well, there is plenty of issues to fix. that's for sure
 
@bwoebi PHPDBG segfaults on Travis with PHP 7.1
 
11:54 AM
@kelunik looks generally fine
 
@bwoebi except for the segfault
 
morns
 
Anonymous
@rightfold more importantly than php bugs, we have quite a few open issues for Jeeves
 
Anonymous
!!version
 
Anonymous
12:01 PM
@rightfold all yours
 
user1804599
XD
 
what will you do after the two weeks?
 
user1804599
Write software in Haskell.
 
Want to jump back on deck for Jeeves
see if I can't take a look tonight
 
Anonymous
same, I just have nooo time
 
12:09 PM
we used to have an intern that does Haskell. He had a fiery red mighty beard and recently emigrated to silicon valley
 
^ Sounds about right
Especially the mighty beard
 
@rightfold do you have a mighty beard?
 
user1804599
God no :v
 
Anonymous
facial hair is overrated...
 
ain't you afraid you gonna grow one when you do Haskell?
 
12:10 PM
Would love to see all the revisions the amphp logo has went through
 
user1804599
@Gordon God no.
 
user1804599
If I get a beard I'd immediately shave it.
 
@Peehaa, you still on the fence for phpnw?
 
@rightfold I dont wanna scare you, but I think it might happen.
 
As far as I can make it by then I will be there, Ticket already in te pocket
 
user1804599
12:14 PM
Actually I may get permanent hair removal soon.
 
user1804599
It would save me so much time.
 
user1804599
No longer have to shave ever.
 
Ahhh hyped! Can't wait
 
@rightfold last time I checked that's only permanent as in a few weeks
 
user1804599
LASERS
 
12:15 PM
@PeeHaa fancy some beers next weekend in Amsterdam? Or nearby on Sunday.
 
@Danack i would have loved doing that. But I am in Turkey as of thursday :(
 
user1804599
XD
 
You don't have to leave the country to avoid having a beer .
 
I doubt I will be able to avoid beers there
 
Anonymous
12:17 PM
I asked him for one last time I was there too @Danack, never happened.
 
Or tequilla
Or Mojitos
Or basically anything else related to alcohol
 
Meh, Long Island
 
Oh oh oh right
Long islands
So to make it up you may expect another drunked Peehaa photo :P
I blame her ^. I normally don't drink too much. You all know that
 
@PeeHaa Old Fashioned? Zombies?
 
moin
 
12:19 PM
Moin!
 
ohai Chris o/
 
\o
 
I am still alive, in case you were wondering
 
we were
 
How's all buildings?
Still standing?
 
12:20 PM
almost at the end of the huge pile of RL shit
@PeeHaa approximately
 
Does anyone live in London nowadays? Gonna be down there at the end of July for training
 
Did you manage to finish the office stuff last week?
Guess not considering you were not here in the weekend
 
@Sean Leigh does.
 
still picking up the pieces :-(
 
:(
 
12:21 PM
almost done though
barely touched a computer for like a week
 
lol. I want to say refreshing, but I doubt that is the case :D
 
Sounds awful, hope you're okay :(
 
one of the VM host servers picked this week to inexplicably die as well
\o/
 
Anonymous
hai der stranger
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom that sounds like a good week
 
12:23 PM
it's not been terrible in that regard
 
some usrs ..., before it gets deleted: stackoverflow.com/q/44571369/367456
 
Damn
That's not something you want to post with your real name
 
That entire country is called milos so :P
 
Like, you don't sue someone for back dooring into your PC, you just get them arrested, jesus
 
@DaveRandom I can still get you in touch with our sales dept :)
 
12:28 PM
lol @hakre The guy actually thinks he has copyright when he builds something for his employee.
s/employee/employer
 
Aye. On a related note, is it implicit that if you work for a company the work you do is their IP?
 
or do they have to state it in your contract
Probably varies between countries
 
@DamienOvereem But the country seems to be an interesting place for a filer as there copyright does not apply on files ^ ^
 
Makes it even more weird. He wants to sue for copyright infrigement in a country where there is no such law? o.O
 
12:32 PM
@Sean it ought to be stated in contract, but tbh in most countries it would be assumed these days for programmers.
 
@Sean by default if you get paid to do work and nothing is written down. The result of said work belongs to the guy doing the paying.
 
@Danack In Germany for example, if you're an employee all work results (works) is not yours. You're paid for the labour, not what comes out of it.
 
Better to be safe then sorry when working with freelancers though. If you dont write anything down the code you paid for will likely be used in other jobs. (which it often will anyways, atleast parts)
 
As Freelancer, you're copyright owner. It's your stuff. You just license usage to the contractor.
That's different from being an employee.
 
I think that would still depend on what you are doing. If I hire you to design my website, I should assume the resulting design is mine.. not the freelancers.
 
12:40 PM
In my experience: don't just assume anything. Write it down
This goes for both parties
 
@Gordon ...I've forgotten what they would sell me :-P
 
snakeoil
We are talking about @Gordon
 
user1804599
slangenolie
 
:P
 
tbh whatever it is it's probably not useful in this instance, these are all things which really need to be internal (call logs/recordings, stuff which directly accesses the local SQL server etc)
I looked at moving some of it to a VPS and concluded it just didn't make sense, we'd be exchanging hundreds of gigabytes per day extra over the internet
if we had a better phone system it might make more sense
 
12:51 PM
@daverandom do you have time today?
 
@kelunik not really, Thursday is looking like a good day though
sorry :-(
 
Really want to release dns :-(
 
I know and I'm very sorry, it's playing on my mind a lot :-/
 
Speaking of dns...
> PHP Warning: unpack(): Type n: not enough input, need 2, have 1 in D:\Web\php-implementations\url\vendor\amphp\dns\lib\DefaultResolver.php on line 570
:-)
On no still no repro besides "it happens sometimes in several projects"
 
It happens when there's 1 byte on the wire at the head of a TCP response packet (which has a 2-byte length marker)
 
12:59 PM
In English does that mean: I got it will be fixed in next release?
:P
 
yes
 
\o/
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom damn, I hate it when that happens.
 
Anonymous
..
 

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