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12:49 AM
Many thanks to all who chipped in on [compliance]. Am amazed all of them were deleted that fast
Special thanks to @EJoshuaS for spearheading it
 
 
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4:29 AM
^ thats a troll post..not a real question
 
 
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@PetterFriberg Looks like a question to me.
 
ok, thanks
maybe better to review edit suggest to --^, seems like attempt to reply.
 
yeah..done
^ OP never called function.. check the comments
 
6:07 AM
@Kyll & @Machavity regarding the close reason... you need to thank JAL meta.stackexchange.com/a/296666/320339
 
6:59 AM
Morning
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Morning \o o/
 
7:15 AM
\o
 
7:37 AM
Does anyone have a good idea why the alt-text for image editing in SO is important? I could never be bothered to change enter image description here, as it doesn't show outside the question-edit window anyway.
 
@Adriaan I've never seen a reason to change it myself. If the image is shown then the text isn't and I would much prefer text above. Screenshot of x showing y or whatever seems more appropriate than changing [enter image description here]
 
@Bugs exactly my feeling.
 
Plop!
 
@Adriaan IIRC it is only handy in the app but I never used the app so that is just hear say. The only other legit use case is for our blind user where I assume the screen-reader will read out the alt text.
 
^
@rene PC is visually impaired btw
 
7:48 AM
@rene ah, that makes sense I guess
I'll probably forget it every time and stick with what @Bugs said about adding a sort of "caption" above it though, out of sheer habbit
 
@Adriaan It's what I do. It seems logical to provide a caption above the screenshot IMO.
 
Does Markdown allow such a thing?
 
Yes, I think there is browser quirck leading to that alt text not showing. Maybe the wrap in an anchor causes that?
 
@rene alt isn't supposed to show in normal conditions. Are you thinking about the title?
(IIRC, my HTML is awful)
 
I'm thinking of "blablablabla first part of the Q Here's the image I am generating now through this code. See that the red line is above the blue line instead of below it: [enter image description here]"
 
7:54 AM
It doesn't make sense in these examples: meta.stackexchange.com/a/296112/158100
 
so an image caption as you'd expect in a book/article
 
so I guess it useless overall for the majority of users
 
/pony/ my life is now 10% better.
 
yw
Showing the alt-text is an accessibility add-on in Chrome: chrome.google.com/webstore/category/collection/accessibility
That is sad but it really only helps for the blind and diminishing number of app users ...
 
@rene so basically either for people wanting to know the website code, or people not wanting to spend their time loading images
 
7:59 AM
@rene Enjoying the image of Caret Browsing
 
Yes, that sums it up
@Kyll always working to improve your life ...
 
It's working great \o/
 
Has anyone worked with BIRT here
 
Now to have some coffee
@AtharvaPandey No idea what it is.
@PetterFriberg Thanks @JAL =D Glad I Won't need to raise a flag or something then.
 
!!/coffee
 
8:05 AM
@Adriaan brews coffee for @Adriaan
 
@SmokeDetector empties half the pot, passes the rest on to @Kyll
 
drowns in half an elephant' dose of coffee
 
 
9:29 AM
5 answers all pointing to the same typo...
 
Sounds like an ordinary day on Stack Overflow
 
9:41 AM
@Deep3015 you missed off the cv-pls tag...[tag:cv-pls]. This may help socvr.org/faq
 
@Deep3015 ^ Yep. Trashing this one, please repost a proper request for our bots and analytics =)
@PatrickHofman Remember to be nice...
 
@Kyll That was nice :)
 
It's quite sassy for a new user =p
 
@Kyll you can never beat Dutch politeness ...
Brought us so much around the world ...
 
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10:01 AM
I'm now on my new mac! I've gone from windows to mac!!
 
:'(
 
@Nkosi wannacry ?
 
@YvetteColomb Ew.
Well I mean at least it's Unix
 
@Kyll more like Ewnix
 
user3956566
I need a mac anyhow to develop apps
 
user3956566
10:03 AM
or I would
 
user3956566
ve so jumped ships to unix
 
user3956566
linux
 
you developing for ios/macos ?
 
Why is this here? Isn't there another chat room for stuff like this?
 
@PatrickHofman Why is what here?
 
10:08 AM
@Kyll The chit chat about development...
 
@PatrickHofman Chit chat is common and welcomed as long as it isn't disruptive to actual moderation discussions (in which case one could go to the Ministry)
 
I think switching from pc to mac is disruptive (sarcasm)
whether to actual moderation is debatable. lol
@Steve but don't you have dupe hammer privileges? or was this just looking for confirmation?
 
@Nkosi Yup, but voted for missing MCVE initially, then retracted but at this point no hammer
 
yeah makes sense. happens to me a lot
 
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@suraj mobile apps
 
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10:19 AM
and asp.net
 
asp.net :\
I still need to develop in FoxPro
Welcome to the living software museum of SOCVR : )
 
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@PatrickHofman are you serious? I've been a member here for a long time now, we're allowed to chat about other things, as long as it doesn't flood the room. Mind you if the room is quiet, people can chat adlib really, as long as it's conforming to the be nice policy tosses @Kyll out the window
 
@YvetteColomb And such questions are allowed, too. You seem to be overreacting.
 
I hope you're not being mean to Kyll @Yvette - I thought that was my job :p
 
@JonClements Let's say it's a team effort?
 
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10:23 AM
@JonClements always being mean to Kyll ;)
 
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@PatrickHofman soz if I'm overreacting :D
 
=D
@EdChum Will be Roomba'ed soon anyway though (also Plop =d)
 
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;)
 
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kicks Kyll in shins and runs out of room
 
@Kyll OK, what does plop mean here?
 
10:26 AM
@EdChum Same as usual, it's self-referential
Better not look too much into it =)
 
10:45 AM
@YvetteColomb I thought being mean to @Kyll was a way of being nice :)
I could have sworn that is how spearrels interpreted it
lol
 
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@Nkosi it is, he likes it ;)
 
Ok need some feedback from the room. this question was closed as unclear. I disagree and would like to submit an answer. Do I just vote to reopen?
I ended up just submitting a comment to a fiddle with the answer.
 
I think it is a kind of gimme teh codez without any attempt to solve the problem. Looks good as closed
 
ok that is what I wanted to clarify.
yes it lacked an attempt.
 
They've also had ample chance to update with their code and have chose not too.
 
10:54 AM
See the members of this room can be helpful. no matter what @Kyll says.
 
I've never said the contrary
 
:)
@Bugs Should I comment about showing what they have tried, or just leave it be and move on?
 
I think that the "comment about showing what they have tried" thing has been frowned upon on meta by someone being close to SE
 
@Nkosi The question ain't going anywhere now that it has positive scoring answers so yes by all means try and get them to bring their question on topic by showing what they have tried. Link to MCVE. That's usually what I do. Then post your answer. At least that's what I would do.
 
That is, it's not a valid thing to ask, but an MCVE is or so
 
11:02 AM
@kayess Is it? I didn't know. I would have thought asking them to show what they have tried would be useful, at least it has been in my experience. 8/10 they update with code. The other 2 times they don't even reply. I mean I tend to link to help sections so would that be different than just asking what have you tried?
 
There is a meta about it, but I can't find it. I think this thing got Shoq'd back then
 
That would make sense. I mean the on hold banner does have links in itself. If they choose to ignore them, that's their problem.
 
Ok left a comment. will see what happens next. now on to our story, yes on to our story. super grover awaaaaaaaaaaay
 
:) it's in their interest to add in the relevant code, hopefully they will.
 
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/172758/what-have-you-tried-epidemic
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/172847/is-there-a-new-what-have-you-tried
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/122986/is-it-ok-to-leave-what-have-you-tried-comments
Getting close, but still not the one I remember
 
11:11 AM
interesting reading. I was totally unawares it was a thing.
 
As was I. They are useful though. I'll read over. I think in this instance we do know what is missing and the OP also knows this. I think the comment left by @Nkosi is fine.
 
@BaummitAugen \o
 
\o
 
does it still count as a train if it is in a reply.....no wait. wrecked it.
lol
 
11:13 AM
: (
 
they just don't last as long as they used to.
 
My comment killed it before it started lol, my bad
 
There was a nice '(removed)' train the other day.
 
user1593881
Hello. How are you all feeling on this glorious Tuesday?
 
@RawN Afternoon, hungry. Time for lunch me thinks
 
11:26 AM
Question looks like asking for offsite resource..stackoverflow.com/questions/44387906/… and answer(s) look like it spilt over the maximum limit..self answered
^^ OP seems to be writing a book
 
WOW what is that...it seems to go on forever. nope wait just reached the end.
how does SO deal with self answers like that?
 
user1593881
Stack Exchange has always explicitly encouraged users to answer their own questions.
 
user1593881
There you have it.
 
user1593881
Self inflicted spam if you ask me.
 
Morning
 
11:33 AM
o/
 
Morning :)
 
Write a Blog Post seems the best thing
 
liked the blog post answer.
 
11:35 AM
Yep. VTC'd as TB
 
with summary on SO
 
what's vtc'd?
 
voted to close
 
oh :)
 
11:37 AM
SOCVR loves their acronyms. ikr. lol
 
It should also become a recursive acronym... something like SOCVR = "SOCVR Organises Close Votes and Reviews" :p
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Now, if only I could figure out what plop mean. I just know there is something hidden in there. lol
conspiracy theory.
 
@Nkosi Conspiracy you say? Something like "Pirates Lurking On Pluto", waiting to take over SO?
 
Is this kind of questions on-topic? 'Explain the wording in the documentation' stackoverflow.com/q/44389132/993547
 
11:52 AM
@PatrickHofman It's not off-topic per-se, but is should be self-contained and remain valid when the docs change.
 
We answers those in C++
Should quote the part he is having a problem with
 
Good points both, thanks.
 
12:05 PM
@PetterFriberg LOL that explains a lot
 
Is this off-topic?
 
Is there a text version of it?
 
@BaummitAugen Might be a dupe. Sounds like he needs an environment variable. Someone has to have asked that before
 
@Compass yes i have it why?
 
12:11 PM
@Machavity Ty.
 
> After reading almost all the previous posts and web links, I feel to write this post as a need.
 
Because I can't see gyazo
 
@FranciscoMelicias The problem with is it possible questions is the answer is almost always yes, but if you actually want to know how (which is what normally you want) then it is too broad most often.
 
@Compass this is the post; i.stack.imgur.com/1wy6N.png
 
the thing is that, im learning programing, and when i saw this movie i was like :o dammm, is this really possible, how can i do it? and i cant find it anywhere, so i would like someonee to explain it to me :/ that all
 
12:14 PM
Not StackOverflow.
The idea isn't complicated.
Most local wi-fi games for phones are built under that assumption.
Space Team, for example.
4 humans and, potentially, their virtual cats, on a quest to enter hyperspace.
 
wow :o
i understand now
 
Bye Felicia.
In fact, many apps operate under the assumption that they are their own system. They may interact with others
but the data is stored locally.
You can get a backup on the server, but if it's something like... I dunno a board game as a mobile app, the game saves are all locally stored.
 
Should I do anything more with this than I already did? Undisclosed affiliation in answer to closed question with no value. I've pinged the answerer but not gotten any reply. They have another question that also has some undisclosed affiliation.
 
Question's closed already, not sure what else you can do at your rep level.
 
I can delete vote the question or flag answerer for spam (which I dont want to do)
They're one of the main contributors to the commercial product they're hawking in the answer
 
12:26 PM
@ivarni I wouldn't do anything. The question is asking for an offiste resource so we don't take action against the answer, but the question. Since it's closed it will Roomba
 
Ehh... I'd probably just ding him for non-disclosure. I'm not familiar with that technology but if it's a viable solution, then the only thing that needs is disclosure. It'd be spam if it were like "TRY OUR WHOLE LIBRARY!"
 
I did ping him, he's been online since but isn't answering but I guess my work's done then :)
@Machavity gotcha, thanks
I'll let rhoomba judge them both
 
@ivarni Meh, it will be roomba'd in 6 days and I put a delete vote on it.
Could do a [del-pls] and just manually delete it
 
Fair enough, I guess I can spare a dv
 
I tossed one in with Nathan
 
12:28 PM
and poof
 
I have this fudge brownie next to me.
 
It's gone then
 
I ate a small bite.
It is now calling my name.
Panera listed its calories as 170. The counter said 510.
 
Isn't chocolate poisonous to cats?
 
I don't know.
I have spare lives, I can report it to you if I use one.
 
12:29 PM
@Machavity I think thats dogs..
 
Dogs yeah, cats I don't know. I've never had a cat eat chocolate though lol
 
It may "just" be a Panera brownie.
I bet cats hate the bitterness.
Chocolate can be lethal for cats. Although most cats won't eat it on their own, they can be coaxed to eat it by owners and others who think they are giving the cat a treat.
Dogs, on the other hand, will eat everything.
Including corn cobs.
 
aint that the truth
 
That was a weird thing to find on the floor at 4AM in the morning.
My dog ate a corn cob and kept it in his tummy for two weeks before going BLEGH.
 
I bet. My dog is a freaking garbage disposal. even if he doesn't like the taste of it he stil eats it.
 
12:31 PM
I read up on the dogs thing. Apparently chocolate is poisonous to everything, but that poisoning depends on your body mass. So a 150lb human can tolerate a lot more than a 30lb dog
 
Good luck eating enough chocolate to kill yourself.
hold on, looking up chocolate ld50
 
@NathanOliver yeah... what can one say - we're just more useful than those pesky cats
 
caffeine is also poisonous. But you need like 100 cups of coffee in 4 hours to kill you
 
Oh my god
Humans have an LD50 of 1000mg/kg
for theobromine
 
@Machavity Wow... that hasn't killed me yet...
 
12:33 PM
@NathanOliver We're growing squash and we fed some to the dog. She took the time to pull them off the dog food before eating. She later came back, ate one, and then drank a ton and walked off
 
OK, I found it.
You'd need to eat about... 160 ounces of dark chocolate as a human being to reach LD50 of theobromine.
 
@JonClements :)
 
Show me your commitment, hoomans.
10 pounds of dark chocolate.
Lethal to 50% of all humans.
 
Bah... as a little puppy I reckon I can eat that...
 
@Machavity that would have been fun to watch. My dog would have eat it all
 
12:34 PM
Also assumes you're 150 lb hooman.
 
Someone get me the chocolate and I'll go for it :)
 
@Compass Can you even eat that much? I'd assume it would be like the milk challenge and you just can't do it.
 
@NathanOliver Vomit? Yep. Poop? Check! Squash... meh
 
lol
So True
 
I feel like the issue with milk is that it fills your stomach and also neutralizes the gastric acid.
I could hose a bar of chocolate pretty easily, though I think after a few bars, you just start feeling horrible.
 
Maybe that is the poison.
 
Dios Mio
Which is a lot. For my dark chocolate molten lava cake, I use 2 of those bars, and it serves 8.
I guess an accurate example would be trying to eat a laptop-sized dark chocolate bar.
 
I've seen a 10lb chocolate bar.
 
Alternatively, imagine a hooman eating this in one sitting: vat19.com/item/26-pound-party-gummy-bear
I'm sure you have, but I doubt it was dark chocolate.
 
12:38 PM
OK, I just checked.
LD50 for milk chocolate, 78 pounds
Good luck, hooman.
 
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@Compass flagging as link only and spammy comment ;)
 
Definitely selling gummy bears.
Imagine your pewps after that.
 
@Compass Imagine paying that much for that!
 
And of course, youtube has a video: youtube.com/watch?v=FIL0T1M5ass
 
@Compass I so want one of those :)
 
12:42 PM
@JonClements I could live inside one.
 
The giant gummy bears? We have a 10lb one
 
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@Kyll lol
 
My mom never ate it, for obvious reasons. I assume it's gone bad by now.
Still a deadly weapon.
I guess it'd also be useful as ballistic gelatin.
 
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@NathanOliver my son and I have watched a few of those eating challenges
 
@Kyll And then burst out of them... it'd be like a scene from "Alien" but with a gummy bear and a spearrel :p
 
12:44 PM
@YvetteColomb I love watching people trying to eat a tablespoon of cinnamon.
 
@JonClements A very fat spearrel.
 
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@JonClements ooh yeh
 
The sugar high would be enormous for a spearrel.
 
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@NathanOliver really?? must go see why
 
@Compass You wouldn't see the difference. I'm always high either on coffee or sugar.
I use the sugar highs to compensate the coffee crashes, and also the other way around.
 
12:45 PM
@NathanOliver Not even 300k views lol
 
We would see the difference. You'd be bright red from the food coloring.
 
@Compass But he is already covered in the blood of his enemies spam posts
 
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@NathanOliver I watched one - not even amusing - boring. Do you have a good one?
 
(Share that in the Ministry though - not sure we want videos of people gagging in here)
 
@YvetteColomb I don't. I normally see it on worlds biggest idiots type of shows.
 
12:50 PM
@Kyll I thought one was supposed to use vodka to counteract coffee and vice versa? :p
 
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ah k
 
@JonClements I've been encountering strange productivity drops when doing so...
 
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@Kyll seriously? lol
 
vodka would kill me
 
@Kyll A nip of vodka slows you down? I find it a nice pick-me-up
 
@NathanOliver I think it makes me sluggish if I do a whole litre at a time :p
 
@Kyll Needs closure for sure. Maybe it's time for that close reason :P
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night all \o
 
@JonClements You need to pace yourself silly ;)
o/
 
1:04 PM
@Machavity Ah don't bring that one back =p
Seeya Yvette!
 
@NathanOliver I know I know... it shouldn't take me more than an hour :p
 
@Yam status
...
 
Also self NAA on there.
 
Also that title but I have no idea what to edit it to.
 
@NathanOliver Extremely rubbish? Just to remove the profanity. Then it can be closed as unclear and left to the OP to sort I guess.
 
I went with "bad"
No need to put much more effort in what is essentially not a question.
 
Yeah that works :D
 
1:59 PM
Both work. Wasn't sure if we should just remove the profanity or try and make a real title.
ty kyll
 
Looking at the timings, is that being pushed into the reopen queue now?
 
Probably
 
Yep
Anyone has the link to the US which shows the history button and a couple more links (close review etc)?
 
We can use it as a manual audit. Anyone that votes should be banned from review ;)
@Kyll I have a history and timeline US
 
@NathanOliver Yes! Link plz
 
2:02 PM
@NathanOliver That would prove useful :P
 
trying to find which one it is, hold on.
 
@Kyll United States? j/k
 
@JonClements We're actively trying to close the US but it keep getting reopened
 
Don't worry - I hear they'll be building a massive wall soon anyway... so that'll solve the "closed" problem
 
2:06 PM
I have both this and this
 
Aaah it's the second one
yay ty \o/
 
I think the first one adds both a timeline and history link but the timeline is only for the Q. The second one adds a timeline link to all posts
np
Did SO just go down?
nope
nvm
 
lol
That user script is useful, thanks for sharing.
 
3:11 PM
Have you ever been so hungry you wanted to eat something?
 
I see.
 
OP uses wrong indexes in code (switches them around), close as Typo?
 
Sure?
 
3:20 PM
Yes I would say so
 
Yes! Also a waffle.
 
@NathanOliver there is a comment directed at you on the top answer. Not sure if it's relevant but thought I would give you the heads up
 
@Bugs thanks. It was to a comment a deleted as I noticed where I messed up
 
Ah, np
 
3:24 PM
And comments are all cleand up \o/
 
Random downvotes do my head in. I don't get them often but they do bug me lol, especially on something I can't find fault in.
 
If it is several normally it is revenge
 
It's just one, on an old post that has had 59 views in 7 months so not at all active and was upvoted 3 times. It feels very random tbh but I can't find fault in my answer so if it's genuine then I'd like to know why. It's more like revenge in which case whatever lol
 
3:44 PM
Yeah hmm is exactly what I said when I saw it.
 
@Bugs Yeah, I got 2 in the last couple of hours. Frustrating. I wish they would have gone for 3, so the serial down-vote script would have caught it. I choose to look at it as I must be doing something right in moderating.
 
@Makyen Yeah as do I. It's a shame they aren't caught. I mean what are the odds of you flagging an answer or vtc a question and the OP finding genuine fault in one of your questions/answers to downvote? There isn't but I guess they can't be stopped either as that is unfair.
As it happens I don't mind downvotes but this is random and I do much prefer to know why. I don't take the approach to downvote somebody because they've told me they've downvoted me but I guess they don't know that.
 
4:34 PM
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Q: Burninate request: [Luciad] tag

MichaelI came across a tag for a company whose products I've worked with in the past: luciad. They make GIS software. Coincidentally, it was only added a few days ago. All current usages (only 9) were added to existing questions by a single user. As it happens, most of the questions are very broad. Non...

 
5:40 PM
\o
 
That last burninate thread has gotten into territory
 
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@Machavity dare I ask where it is?
 
@YvetteColomb No.
won't share the popcorn
 
@YvetteColomb Scroll up to Feeds last entry
 
user3956566
oh kay
 
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5:58 PM
@Machavity added ab answer
 
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