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2:00 PM
Pedantry corner: "fishes" as a noun is sometimes grammatically correct.
 
yup, like peoples, right?
 
...the best kind of correct?
 
@Kevin Especially in conjunction with "loaves"
 
?
 
I would have gone with fishies because code should be childish
 
2:00 PM
@AndrasDeak Yeah I think the circumstances are similar
 
Isn't "sleeping with the fishes" a thing?
 
It is
 
user6845426
I have a function which takes in multiple (11 in this case) images of segmented lines containing text. The function loops through each of the lines singularly and performs horizontal projection and append the resulting partial images (of single words) to another list which is the return of the function.
 
proverbial stuff might not adhere to usual grammar though
 
I don't suggest telling a gangster that he's wrong.
 
2:02 PM
@KevinMGranger Note, I'm not asking how to publish a package
 
On that note, shouldn't it be a single "concrete shoe" since it's usually one piece?
 
user6845426
after I've called the function words = split_words(lines) and then try and loop through them: for word in words: print len(word)... I'm getting like 30 word length values when there should only be 11
 
I don't understand the question then
 
Greater social utility this way. "--You'll be sleeping with the fish tonight, Big Jimmie. --What fish? --No, I meant >>fish<< in plural. You'll be sleeping with multiple fish...forget it."
 
@KevinMGranger Well it's consistent with the pluralization of "pants", which is also usually one piece.
 
2:03 PM
@dipper you're doing something wrong.
 
If you cut a pair of pants in half length-wise, is that a single pant?
 
The plural of "beef" if "beeves". Just throwing that out there.
 
@Kevin that's just silly
Noun: beeves
  1. (archaic or humorous) plural of beef: cows, bulls, or steers.
  2. 1611, Bible (KJV), Numbers 31:28:
  3. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
  4. 1638: Herbert, Sir Thomas, Some yeares travels into divers parts of Asia and Afrique
  5. ...bells and babies are valuable alſo here, and for which, (or one bead of cornelion) you ſhall have in exchange, Sheep (big tail'd like thoſe in Syria and Perſia) Beeves and Buffaloes, big-bond, fat, and Camel-backt...
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"archaic or humorous"
 
what's non-archaic version?
 
In an alternate universe with slightly different dietary standards, you'd learn about the loaves and beeves at church.
 
2:04 PM
and I find it annoying that the wiktionary onebox produces different contant than the full site
quotes have been parsed as definition items
 
I hear the beeves are disappearing and that will mean plants will die
 
@khajvah I don't think beef is countable
> beef (countable and uncountable, plural beef or beefs or beeves)

(uncountable) The meat from a cow, bull or other bovine.
 
user6845426
gist.github.com/anonymous/7c16776f28ffea73ab9325940b096262 I guess i'm doing something wrong but I'm unsure what. If I just print len(words) the return is the correct amount of words inthe image. But i'm trying to get the number of words for each line
 
Are there more beeves in the world, or stars in the galaxy?
 
if a beef is a result of your jimmies having been rustled, then it's contable and the plural is beefs
 
2:06 PM
@dipper you'll want to step through that in pdb, you should be able to pinpoint where things go wrong
 
@dipper I'm going to give up for today, you linked to a function you're using, but you're still not showing how you're calling that function exactly, what your inputs are, etc. Have you perhaps seen the MCVE link?
"I use this function but when I call it somehow I get 30 instead of 11 items" or something equivalent is just not something we can help with
 
user6845426
@AndrasDeak I was just adding the additional files then. Sorry
 
it's sort of OK but you and I have already been through a series of "what is your actual problem and actual input and actual question" today
 
Tip: if your problem is complicated to describe, completely compose the description and all necessary attachments before you start to ask about it in the room
5
I see this trend a lot. Somebody says "I have a problem with X. First, I do Y". Then there's five minutes of silence while they try to write a message describing how they do Z. Then another five minutes to show that they get unexpected output Q.
They're clearly happy to provide an MCVE, so that's not the problem. But it's tedious to watch them make it in real time, using the room as their scratch pad.
 
I'm less patient than usual since dipper's been around a lot
 
user6845426
2:19 PM
I think this is a better explanation: gist.github.com/anonymous/928830ff2af6da9e61e79a0b574bdcac Sorry, I should take more time to properly set out my question
 
I copy-pasted that code and ran it and it produced no output. If you're thinking "well, yeah, you have to read my docstring and copy the code out of that and paste it after the existing code to make it do anything", why? Why do I have to do that? Shouldn't the code be in the code and not in the docstring in the first place? Why force each individual reader to perform labor that you could have done once?
 
especially if that reader is poor Kevin
he already has to ration his gold stars
 
user6845426
Sorry, I will get the hang of this.
 
Perhaps you're thinking "what does it matter if the code is in the docstring or in the code? You're going to have to read my code either way, and it's just as comprehensible at the top of the file than at the bottom". But this assumes that we debug code just by reading it and trying to understand what it does in our heads.
True, that is one part of the debugging process, but it's also important to be able to run the code and see what it's doing, and to make changes to the code and see how that changes the output.
 
DSM
Hooray, my only meeting of the day has been cancelled-cabbage!
 
2:28 PM
This is the case even for small questions where we can easily hold all the complexity in our minds at once, because it's reassuring to know that the changes you're about to suggest produced the exact correct output on your machine, so there's little chance the OP will reply with "I tried your suggestion and it didn't do what I wanted"
Either because you misunderstood the requirements or misremembered how some built-in function behaved, or what
This concludes my rant about why MCVEs are good and important. Thank you.
 
Congrats, DSM :)
 
I don't want you to feel frustrated and think "why are these guys making me jump through all these unnecessary hoops?" I hope this explanation conveys why the hoops are actually necessary.
 
user6845426
 
user6845426
I was using this image chunk.png
 
2:31 PM
@dipper in other words: if you reduce the friction for people to help you, you increase the amount of help you're going to get
 
Plus, the more effort you expend trying to make life even easier on others, the more you will learn about the things that you are doing.
 
@dipper FYI there are only 10 lines in that image
 
user6845426
durp
 
Ok, now I'm somewhat interested in the problem. Just need to figure out how to install this cv2 thing...
 
2:34 PM
be warned: opencv has pretty crap documentation
you need to cross fiery mountains and swamps full of poison gas to find the old sage who can tell you where actual documentation is for a given function
and then you must choose wisely because 4 out of 5 doors leads to a C++ reference
 
pip install fails on both cv2 and OpenCV. Ctrl-f for "install" on docs.opencv.org/3.0-beta/index.html reveals zero hits. Hmm...
 
DSM
conda install opencv took about ten seconds, and it upgraded some other stuff too. :-P
 
"To use the OpenCV library you have two options: Installation by Using the Pre-built Libraries or Installation by Making Your Own Libraries from the Source Files. While the first one is easier to complete, it only works if you are coding with the latest Microsoft Visual Studio IDE". Gross.
 
St. Gohlke pray for us
 
DSM
2:37 PM
I wore Fizzy down eventually. I'll get you too.
 
@Kevin does 3.2 actually stand for python 3.2 there?
 
DSM
No, the Python versions are the ones after cp.
 
oh thank goodness:D
 
why do so many online text editors use "almost markdown" but not actual markdown >.>
 
Insert here: Obligatory link to "problem: there are 17 competing standards" xkcd
 
2:41 PM
@AndrasDeak When confronted with something like this: opencv_python‑3.2.0‑cp36‑cp36m‑win_amd64.whl then this PEP is your guide: python.org/dev/peps/pep-0425
 
we recently got an internal version of SO, basically, but it's got some weird WYSIWYG like editor that supports sortof markdown
 
ew gross
I hate those
 
I dislike that backticks don't do quotes like SE
I think I'm going to just leave my bad backticks in it as a protest
 
Ok, got OpenCv installed. Should be smooth sailing from here--
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Users\Kevin\Desktop\test.py", line 123, in <module>
    lines = split_lines('chunk.png')
  File "C:\Users\Kevin\Desktop\test.py", line 42, in split_lines
    result = cv2.reduce(small, 1, cv2.REDUCE_SUM, dtype=cv2.CV_32S)
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'REDUCE_SUM'
... Spoke too soon.
 
@enderland I guess its because in practice orig markdown lacks of some useful features
like code block for example
 
2:43 PM
one thing that really pisses me off about JS is there are sets, but sets don't have union, intersection, difference, etc
 
@marxin sure, but GH has already solved a lot of that
 
JS has sets? This is news to me
 
GH's markdown should just be the standard
and everyone else is WRONG. lol
 
yeah but thats your opinion :d
 
it's not an opinion :v
 
DSM
2:44 PM
I think I see what's going on. Are we expecting something more like [13, 11, 10, 14, 13, 11, 12, 11, 11, 2] for the number of words in each line?
 
I kind of agree with you but then its just our opinion :P
 
@WayneWerner Tag All The Things;)
 
@DSM I'm not actively resisting change. I just have a lot of natural inertia.
 
Oh, it's one of those ES6 things. Nice.
 
user6845426
Yeh @dsm
 
2:46 PM
When I am worn down, it will be like a mountain is worn down to make way for a railway, rather than like an enemy soldier being worn down to exhaustion.
 
@KevinMGranger JS has list comprehension :P
 
...no it doesn't?
 
DSM
It does these days. :-P
 
[for (x of iterable) if (condition) x]
 
@marxin Give me another markup with a spec and then we can talk
 
2:46 PM
is that what's so spec about it?
 
> Browser Support: Chrome: None
 
DSM
Although come to think of it I'm not sure if it was ever accepted. I've transpiled it, though..
 
@AndrasDeak special
 
I meant JS, not Chrome... :)
 
Can we all agree that a feature is only in JS if you can use it in 51% of consumer browsers?
 
2:47 PM
updating to Sierra rhubarb
 
rbrb
 
It absolutely should, especially since only arrays have map and filter -__-
 
DSM
Awww. "Non-standard. Do not use!"
 
I really don't care what the ECMA foundation thinks is JS. I only care what works on my machine.
 
Is this going to be "iterating over str(some_list) instead of iterating over some_list" ?
 
2:47 PM
Cabbage :-P
 
nope, JS is used heavily on the backend
 
@WayneWerner I'm still on el capitan :v dont give in!
 
and then it doesnt matter
why all people think of browsers when someone talks about JS :D
 
DSM
@dipper: look at your loops in split_words. You loop over every line, but append the glyphs to one splitted_words array list. [Darn this cross-language conversation!]
 
@Kevin Spoken like a true Windows user. :p
 
2:49 PM
Hello
 
I know, right? Why do people think of the backend when you talk about $LANG_THAT_ISN'T_JS
 
Listen, JS is the de facto client-side web scripting standard. I don't know how the jester became king, but I'm not going to let him abdicate the throne just because it's not in his official job description.
 
and he's not wearing any clothes
oh, that's PHP
rhubarb for now
 
@marxin People are imperfect
 
sure sure
 
2:50 PM
JeSter
 
I've never done any "graphical stuff" with python. what module can you recommend me to code a Matrix digital rain ?
 
JS is one of the worst things that happened to programming world
 
only because it is heavily overused
 
oh, cmn, JS is not that bad
 
2:51 PM
Guys, I have a list say L1=[1,2,3] and i am running a for loop to iterate over the list , I want to have a condition where if a variable x = 2 then return 3 or the next item from list. eg: For x in L1:
 
its just a syntax at the end of the day
 
@Gabriel In the console? curses if you're on an OS that supports curses. Otherwise, a third party curse-like module, such as colorama.
 
for x in L1 if x=2 return 3
 
js is not nearly as bad as the detractors say it is, and not nearly as good as the fans say it is
 
@marxin not saying it's bad for scripts in web browsers. It just shouldn't be used elsewhere
 
2:52 PM
You have more options if you're happy to render matrix digital rain in any old window, in which case you can use whatever GUI library you like. Tkinter, QT, Pygame...
 
backend, mobile, desktop. they use it everywhere
 
DSM
I don't get the appeal for backend work, but some people swear by node. They feel about JS the same way I feel about Python, in that it's their default tool to throw at a problem.
 
@Kevin My goal is to return image so I can use it to fill the background of a window for exemple
 
kajvah: what if you want javascript-driven view rendering with optional backend rendering for those without JS?
 
@Anarach,
def f():
    L1 = [1,2,3]
    for i, x in enumerate(L1):
        if x == 2:
            return L1[i+1]
 
2:53 PM
If you're about to say "make that a microservice and have it call to your real backend like an API" I might agree
 
@khajvah I'm using it as a backend for the chat server and to be honest, its just yet another way of doing things
 
Note: this will crash if 2 is the final element in the list.
 
@Kevin kevin'd by Kevin, while Kevin was Kevin-ing another question :\
 
good thing is that it has a lot of async features implemented
 
DSM
I was going to call you out on that but I figured you'd reply "we know that 2 isn't the final element of the list -- it's 3".
 
2:54 PM
I mean, libraries
 
@Kevin Ahhh.. So that is the use of Enumerate .... Arigato!
 
@KevinMGranger that
 
Modern js is fine™
 
nope
 
And by that I mean typescript
 
2:55 PM
@Gabriel Hmm, maybe Pillow could do it, although it's a little finicky when it comes to fonts...
 
I consider typescript to be another language
 
DSM
JS >= 6 and TS are perfectly cromulent languages.
 
Why are we even talking about this, help
 
@Kevin Ok thank you, I will check it. Thanks :)
 
This would also be a good time to use the pairwise recipe from earlier today. for a,b in pairwise(L1): if a == 2: return b
 
DSM
2:56 PM
@KevinMGranger: we have to do something while we wait for dipper to report that he's got everything working!
 
its good to complain a bit on something from time to time
 
@DSM there are lots of other awesome languages to choose from
like Python <3
 
python < 3? like python 2.7?!? heretic!
 
@Kevin pairwise? never heard of it..
 
2:57 PM
if JS was strongly typed, it would be fine
but they chose weak typing so it became shit
 
I'll agree with that, although I already qualified it as fine™ so I guess I can't
 
2 hours ago, by PM 2Ring
def pairwise(iterable):
    it = iter(iterable)
    prev = next(it)
    for curr in it:
        yield prev, curr
        prev = curr
 
DSM
Ehh, just use tee and zip.
 
So what's the new puzzle of the day?
 
@Kevin Sorry to ask, but why is this better than the enumerate solution?
 
2:59 PM
anyways, how is the Python book going?
 
2 hours ago, by PM 2Ring
@dipper I guess tee is reasonably efficient for that use case, since the two iterators are almost in sync (if they can get out of sync tee can chew up a lot of RAM). But I'd probably just write my own generator.
 
@Anarach It won't crash with an IndexError if 2 is the last item. But I wouldn't say it's objectively better. Just a different way of doing it.
 
DSM
@PM2Ring: :-P By definition here the iterators will never be more than one out of sync.
 
I do think abstracting out the pairing behavior into its own function better demonstrates the intent of your loop, compared to manually fiddling with indices... But the code is already straightforward so the gain in readability is marginal
 
@MooingRawr g fmnc wms bgblr rpylqjyrc gr zw fylb. rfyrq ufyr amknsrcpq ypc dmp. bmgle gr gl zw fylb gq glcddgagclr ylb rfyr'q ufw rfgq rcvr gq qm jmle. sqgle qrpgle.kyicrpylq() gq pcamkkclbcb. lmu ynnjw ml rfc spj. : Each character is two characters to the right so g = i , F=H , solve this to get a code
 
3:01 PM
@DSM Indeed!
 
@Kevin Oh is see
 
user6845426
ah @DSM I see
 
user6845426
I added a new list within the for line in lines loop and then appending the result to splitted_words list and then return that
 
user6845426
seemed to do the trick
 
@Anarach Ah, pythonchallenge.com. Good times.
Didn't it turn out that one of the room regulars was a moderator for that site...? I think I remember that happening.
 
3:05 PM
@Kevin :-D Yeah, Figured the best way to learn the beautiful language.. :-)
@Kevin Also , feels like playing dark souls games, Puzzles are so hard for beginners like me :-(
 
The puzzles become hard even for seasoned users, if that's any consolation to you.
 
@Anarach but but that's boring, and I already did it before :\
 
@Kevin SO did you beat it?
 
A couple pages in it gradually evolves from "I know the abstract steps to solve this, but how do I translate that to concrete code?" to "what do they even want me to do here?". Not that there's anything wrong with that, for a puzzle site.
@Anarach Nope. I got maybe thirty pages in...? It's been a while.
I wonder if I still have my code floating around... Time to go digging.
 
Oh, on the topic of puzzles, I did my first escape room a few weeks ago. It was great. It was also Legend of Zelda themed so I might have set the bar too high.
 
3:09 PM
Oh, I probably did them on my old laptop. So much for that.
 
Well , so much for me hoping no one would recognize the puzzles was lifted from "Pythonchallenge" page. Long timers dwell here I see...
 
You might have gotten away with it if the final sentence in the code didn't make reference to a url, which is a dead giveaway that it came from somewhere else
 
DSM
People can check out any time they like, etc.
 
I've always wanted to do an escape room. I guess I technically did one when i was younger, but it seemed more like a maze in a former warehouse in Montreal.
 
@Anarach also you are in a snek pit, what do you expect :D
 
3:12 PM
@KevinMGranger I, too, have done an escape-the-room challenge. It was during the Kevinson family reunion. My cousins are like me: good at puzzles, bad at teamwork. So it was predictably chaotic.
 
@Kevin Ha ha.. Right.. I should have known..
@MooingRawr :-D
 
Lots of people having "a ha!" moments and solving puzzles that had already been solved by someone else who forgot to tell anyone that they solved it
 
Without additional details, I'm assuming you were actually just trying to escape the reunion.
 
@Programmer There's like 2 near me, one within walking distance from my office, and one on the way home... I've only been to one ever, it was fun to a degree... I remember wanting it to be harder though :\
 
Which, I at first misspelled "ruin-ion"
 
3:13 PM
Cool site you got there guys... sopython.com
also, i realised the first question in the "Common Questions" section ironically is
"Accessing current and next item during iteration"
 
Ruin onions? That's right in my wheelhouse.
 
@MooingRawr Yeah I was looking at one to go to on my way out of Montreal, last time I went. However, the girlfriend and I got lost in an underground mall so that took up a bit of time :P
 
@Kevin hits too close to home :( feelsbadman
 
> Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better
 
Are you adapting the words to Harder Better Faster Stronger or am I missing something
 
3:23 PM
> A master has failed more times than his pupil has even attempted.
 
If you think Jiro never screwed up a salmon roll in his life, you've got another thing coming
 
> We came from nothing, we will end up being nothing.
 
finally, new keyboard
 
@Kevin Did you watch that documentary ?
 
Nah but it's on my list
 
3:24 PM
@AnttiHaapala wb antti \o was that why you weren't on so much :D
 
naa, been busy
 
@Kevin I highly recommend it if you are interested in sushi/life in Japan. As a warning: it made me crave sushi really badly.... :\
 
@KevinMGranger Nah, Samuel Beckett. Daft Punk ripped him off rather than vice versa.
 
omg @AnttiHaapala is back
 
I've tried sushi and didn't care for it, but I don't think that will harm my ability to appreciate the film
 
3:26 PM
Fair enough, I feel like the real tone of the documentary was something along the lines of :never give up, never surrender, never stop gunning for the top, even when others say you are at the top, you aren't, keep going.
 
recbg
@MooingRawr I think I would only be able to watch that either before or after I visit this sushi buffet near my parents' house
 
3:43 PM
@WayneWerner \o cbg :D. There's a really nice Japanese restaurant that serves Ramen or Sushi, and they are the only plce I know that does Omakase (if you are too laze to click on the link, term is loosely translated to 'you make the decision', ie: sit down, usually at the sushi bar, have a set sushi course meal where the chef will make whatever fish they have for that day, one piece at a time). I'm craving that place now :(
if you are ever in the great North city, maybe we can go :D
 
recbg
 
Full soundtrack released!
Someone got a hold of cdjapan.co.jp/product/SQEX-10589 and put up all four discs.
Hacking tracks too: youtube.com/…
 
@davidism I'm getting it shipped from cdjapan. usually if it's something I really REALLY like, I don't mind using my 'spending' money on it. They deserve it and I want them to produce more things :D
 
I'm debating ordering it from cdjapan too. MP3 albums were just released on iTunes and Amazon, but they're missing the hacking tracks.
 
Pascal's city OSTs are so adorable :D (are? im not sure if there's more than one track or is it just a long track with different feels and chorus to it)
@davidism I was only able to hear the hacking track during one of the boss battle, I can't wait for it to come :D
Also do you usually get hit by customs when importing things from over seas?
 
4:00 PM
I haven't imported anything before.
Isn't that part of the shipping cost though?
 
C blus blus
 
DSM
@davidism: not typically, at least not north of the wall.
 
@davidism No. If I get something imported in my Great North City, sometimes I get hit by Customs, Which is a flat fee of x dollars (I don't remember the exact cost), and a % of what your goods is worth (13% for me). You pay when the package comes, or they bring it back to the postal office and make you go pay there.
 
I am using Beautifulsoup to open a url and search for a term and return back 0 or 1. I wanted to know how can I search a word irrespective of case sensitivity for example when I search for ABC it replies back 1 (present) but when I search for abc it replies back as 0( not present) is there a way to search irrespective of case?
 
It's super neg for us :\ that's why I usually import with a group of friends to at least cut down on the flat fee. Note that this is like a chance of happening since their reason: Custom fees are spent when we have to open and inspect your package in greater details. Sometimes you get nailed sometimes you don't.
@Zack stackoverflow.com/questions/2602390/… I believe you are looking for this
 
user6845426
4:05 PM
Say I have a folder on my computer full of images. is it possible to make a python program to: 1) read in each image file 1 at a time, 2) do something with it, 3) save the file back to the original file system?
 
@dipper sure why not ? define original file system
 
user6845426
In an automated sequence?
 
DSM
@MooingRawr: of course in principle you're supposed to pay regardless.
 
sorry i read to quick :\
 
user6845426
So, say I have a folder in my documents (on my computer), read each image, then save the custom image back into the same folder
 
4:07 PM
@Zack btw, why are you returning 1 or 0?
 
DSM
@dipper: what point of that process are you wondering about?
 
@DSM oh? did not know that.... hmmmm..... interesting.
@dipper then yes, but the file details (file modify/save) will be different
 
user6845426
Im just wondering if its possible
 
user6845426
awesome :D
 
if you can do it to a text file, why can't you do it to a jpeg/png file ?
I see no difference in the process, except the file format and data.....
 
user6845426
4:08 PM
True I guess
 
user6845426
I have a character dataset but its relativly small, so I want to read in each char, and save rotated versions to try and bulk it up
 
@DSM do you know if you get hit by custom if it's like a gift from a family member overseas? I don't think I've heard of custom hitting those packages... but I could be wrong (I rarely get a package from my distant family members)
 
DSM
@MooingRawr: there's a limit, about 60$, I think. Below that it's exempt, above that you owe duty on the difference between the cost and 60$.
 
So if your package is worth over 384$ ( assuming the flat fee is 10$) you will have to cover the differnce
 
DSM
Yeah.
 
4:16 PM
I suppose that's why everything I've ever ordered that's come from China says it's worth like $1 or something...
 
@MooingRawr finding a specific word irrespective of tag is what I am looking for for example open a webpage save all content and then search for a word irrespective of its position if present reply back 1 or 0
 
>>> page_contents = "123AbC456"
>>> thing_to_search_for = "Abc"
>>> thing_to_search_for.lower() in page_contents.lower()
True
 
@khajvah to see if the word is present or not in the website
 
@Zack He's implying that you should be returning True or False instead of 1 or 0.
 
@enderland Yeah, I used to work at a Libertarian-oriented online book store and we did stuff like that
 
4:36 PM
I'mma be annoyed if the answer to Poisson Process and Random Walks is "you need to do t.append(j+1) in the loop"
I hate bugging OPs for an MCVE when I don't really need it in the first place
 
@Kevin Oh look at Mr. smarty pants here with his fancy brain not needing MCVE to solve problems :D /jking
 
soup = BeautifulSoup(html_content)
                    soup2 = soup.lower()
                    print soup2
@kevin can I do something like this?
 
I doubt it, but you can try it and see if you want.
Typically, only strings have a lower method, and soup is not a string.
 
I dont get any result
is there anyother way to tackle this situation ?
 
That's surprising. I'd expect it to crash with an AttributeError, rather than simply produce no output.
 
4:43 PM
I'd expect a syntax error with that indentation.
 
:/
 
Unless by "don't get any result" you mean "I don't get the result I want", and you actually are getting an error, but you're just not telling us what it is, which is impolite.
Tell you what. Whip up a nice MCVE and I'll be happy to look into this further.
 
rbrb, all
 
rbrb
 
rhubarb holden
 

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