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12:03 AM
rhubarb
 
12:16 AM
re-cbg
@Magisch Hopefully the silver/gold tag badge holders in each tag will keep an eye on things, and all of the robo-reviewed edits will be rolled back promptly. — Daniel Nugent 5 mins ago
 
Because that works so well on Q&A.
 
......"Hey! This is horrible but we can just pile more work onto the high-rep users who are not the ones using this feature anyway"
 
12:38 AM
Time to wipe Windows 10 and re-install Arch. We'll just pretend I never needed it just to play one game.
 
@davidism which game?
 
No Man's Sky?
 
wooooo
 
@davidism that's your opinion. Also I've clearly said I'm not having a specific programming problem. I'm at the planning stage and I want to follow best practice for laying out my data. If you're just going to be difficult then leave me alone. — dhowland 5 mins ago
 
I love the phrase "what is the best pattern?" cause so often the answer is "situation dictates"
 
I couldn't resist....
 
1:11 AM
nice touch referring to davidism as a plural - makes me think he's some human/machine hybrid :)
 
aura of mystery!
 
probably ano hito (informal, gender neutral) or ano kata (formal, gender neutral) if one considers an anime character in the same form of speech as a person or are if just an object (and as davidism would never be just an object...yeah, ano)
Japanese have a lot of pronouns and cultural/societal rules on their use - it can be an interesting study if your into that stuff
 
:D
OK. Just clicked it. What next? — idjaw 18 secs ago
 
Well, someone did call me an automaton when I voted to close on meta a couple days ago.
 
sounds like a transformer
 
user559633
1:25 AM
@davidism You were silencing her voice, you shitlord. And you're probably a racist.
 
;_; </3
 
Are you processing the chat so you get notified when it's time to sweep in for a punchline?
(wow that took way too many edits for it to be funny anymore....)
 
user559633
Nah, I'm still doing it the bespoke way of opening chat and reading whatever's within the viewport.
 
Puny human.
 
user559633
Yeah, maybe. I'm not very tall.
 
1:32 AM
I still sometimes wonder if tristan doesn't sometimes outsource a few chat hours to some poor intern - "Only get me if the room is on fire or a meme is needed!"
 
user559633
lol no, i'm really just this sad
 
real laughter
 
that's okay you're still young with no kids - really adds to this "free time" thing ;)
 
user559633
i'm just always in front of the computer either stressing about work or doing work.
 
yeah, I assumed that was the reason - I have been way chatter in the last month or so cause I have no full-time job anymore and all the projects I did have were using my own systems for coding/processing (which is sad) so I was just always here
esp. with the data processing and NLP stuff cause half of that was just running and re-running models until I got enough results to check accuracy
 
user559633
1:43 AM
yeah, for me, my build pipeline is just long enough for me to lose focus, which is dangerous.
 
when your brain starts looking for distractions
 
user559633
it's 4-8 seconds for frontend/JS stuff, almost reliably 3 seconds for backend + tests
 
user559633
yep.
 
user559633
window makes a ding sound, a butterfly sneezes 30km away, basically anything
 
yup...I have the same problem
I see my tabs change to (#)
I need to look
so I have to close them down
 
1:45 AM
my models used to take around 5-10 (got longer as I went along and got more data) seconds and I really had to force myself the last week - not to check chat, email, webcomics, SO Q&A, or any other tab cause it would suck me right out of my workflow
 
user559633
yeah. my NLP stuff just sends to syslog, so i only get alerted when error rates start flying
 
my final stuff just appended the results to a file but building the model it was just easier to grab subsets and run then test, run then test, run then check accuracy, re-start whole thing with new idea, run then test, ..., figure out where I broke it this time, re-start whole ...
 
user559633
oh, mine is "split corpora based on location, run algo on a corpus list, dump to a dirty db, manual test -> looks good? keep : discard"
 
yeah, cause you didn't have to document your process for a professor ;)
my other project was more like that (which was just looking at student responses/course evals for building reports and dashboards)
 
user559633
~~*it's proprietary*~~
 
user559633
1:53 AM
also, because it's parsing internet comments and doing tf-idf, i don't really know until it does a bunch of them
 
was a really good course mind you, direct study under this professor, just tough :)
@tristan russian/english mix wasn't it?
 
user559633
@JGreenwell yes, but done distinctly.
 
user559633
i don't have a good enough grasp on russian sarcasm to really know what i'm doing programmatically.
 
I thought I remembered that discussion somewhere in the haze that is my memory
 
user559633
to build a business, i think it would be cheaper to hire a couple people and have them do sentiment analysis than try to do it programmatically
 
user559633
2:04 AM
there really aren't that many reviews/words written about events/places/things in the world that a tool-assisted workflow couldn't chomp through at a "good enough" rate
 
most likely (at least in that building stage) - so many times people want tools that they either don't need or do not have the infrastructure/expertise to use. So knowing this ahead of time is a good thing, IMHO
Seriously, without revealing anything that was under contract, the number one recommendation I have when someone asks me to build some machine learning/NLP/AI system is: first rework your infrastructure or at least create some - then we can talk
 
user559633
i've since found out that people don't really care about accuracy in reviews and that i could get money for a way easier subset of the problem :)
 
........I feel like I just posted something like that on SO
oh, right the Jobs thing
@tristan Also most people want n-grams (w/frequency analysis) not actual NLP
 
user559633
@JGreenwell haha yep! n-gram + collocations + frequency an....yeah
 
user559633
haha, just... yeah.
 
user559633
2:11 AM
stopwords + frequency dists can get you strangely far in people thinking you're doing complex stuff
 
which is fun when you just load sklearn
 
user559633
outside of nltk's internal stuff, i don't think i've used sklearn
 
I actually made a presentation for that, which I gave at my college but having problems getting video back (luckily own/have code so I at least have that) - have to re-record some of those
 
user559633
I'm mostly using ngram + PoS + python data types to do my heavy lifting
 
user559633
if you get that video, i'd like to see it
 
2:16 AM
The code is on my github
sklearn + CountVectorizer makes doing n-grams super easy (plus then its already loaded to do other stuff)
that's un-abridged code mind you (edited it for actual presentation) and the bubble chart is based on another set I did showing how to build categorizations and determining clusters
 
user559633
CountVectorizer is doing some magic
 
user559633
wack broke,1 i wonder if it's possible for computers to drink
 
yeah, best way to make a randomized codex btw: get a bunch of coders drunk and let them have at it
random it will be
 
user559633
i think i told you that i wrote a parser for youtube comments
 
user559633
or most of one. youtube comments are on the cutting edge of making me think language and culture is dead
 
2:29 AM
yep, and I said "Ye gods! Do you have a death wish?!"
or something similar :)
 
user559633
lol
 
also, re: sklearn vs nltk for n-grams. Sklearn has a whole bunch of heuristics I can play with when it comes to frequency and clustering so I use that when I need that. NLTK is great when one needs more accurate text analysis in regards to grammar or linguistical structure and context
but yeah, sklearn has some fun magic that can bite you in your A* if you don't understand what it is actually doing
 
user559633
i read that as A* and thought "oh no, does it have some fringe input that causes terrible runtime?". bedtime i think
 
user559633
yeah, edits and getting confused means it's time to stop looking at SO. Have a good night JGreenwell
 
lol
night @tristan
 
2:53 AM
Hi
Need a help working with matplotib for time series dataset
I have the dataset with timestamp column and other float value columns
I need and multi line chart where x-axis for time and y-axis for values
time stamp - 965069100
need to change the format to readable/understandable in x-axis
please help me
 
Alright I'm off for the night, rbrb all
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Q: How to plot time series in python

MohanasundarI have been trying to plot a time series graph from a CSV file. I have managed to read the file and converted the data from string to date using strptime and stored in a list. When I tried plotting a test plot in matplotlib with the list containing the date information it plotted the date as a se...

^ I'd start with above question @AM.Firnas
 
3:13 AM
Hai @JGreenwell
 
@AM.Firnas He mentioned that he was signing off for the evening.
 
Got it , oops .
:)
 
hmm...well. Back to watching Aliens.
 
Sounds like a plan.
I still haven't finished reinstalling Arch. UEFI is such a pain, even if the end result is better than MBR.
 
3:19 AM
Are you setting Arch up as your main system, or for something in particular?
 
I only have 60G SSD as the main drive, so I just wiped the whole thing for Windows. So now just reinstalling Arch as main.
 
bumble bunny!
feature request throwing to knives posts a cute animal
 
I thought of a pretty good feature for Rabbit today: group pings.
We could use service worker push notifications to simulate pings for stuff like @room-owners.
 
these pings would be handled under the standard functionality of receiving a notification, right?
are rooms categorized strictly as RO and users?
w.r.t groups
 
Unfortunately you can't add SO inbox message with the API. So these would just be browser notifications.
There's no reason we couldn't make custom groups too.
Chat has no concept of groups though, it would all be through Rabbit.
 
3:29 AM
it's a shame chat isn't using a protocol that would allow for moving out of the browser app and have more flexibility to really throw more features directly at it.
> Deal with it, IE users.
haha
 
3:55 AM
hI
I have installed Python 3.5.2 along with 2.7.2.
matplotlib worked for 2.7.2
 
prediction: you didn't install matplotlib for 3.5
 
Need again installed ?>
 
yes
:(
 
You should read about virtual environments and installing packages: packaging.python.org/installing/#creating-virtual-environments
 
sudo apt-get install python-matplotlib
Did this from terminal
but no effect on the code inPycharm
 
3:58 AM
ahha
 
same red line error
 
@AM.Firnas sudo apt-get install python3-matplotlib
 
@AM.Firnas you should really read that link I just posted
 
sudo apt-get install python3-anything
 
Ha ha !
Gotta find quick way
Lazy now reading
:;)
 
4:00 AM
this is the easiest if you need to just run it, but if you want to use newest matplotlib you need to compile it yourself, install build-essential, python3-dev, then pip install matplotlib
preferably in virtualenv so you don't mess with anything system-wide
 
Ok
Thanks @Antti
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 1 hour ago, by Shog9
Trivia: Python kicks more than any other room
 
so you should read the page ^ anyway
true
 
Sure
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 1 hour ago, by Shog9
If a legless reptile can kick all day, y'all should be able to manage.
 
4:07 AM
Hi
Need a help working with matplotib for time series dataset
I have the dataset with timestamp column and other float value columns
I need and multi line chart where x-axis for time and y-axis for values
time stamp - 965069100
need to change the format to readable/understandable in x-axis
please help me
I tried other working code from StackOverFlow
 
@AM.Firnas didn't you already post that message? Please don't keep asking, no one's in the room right now, and we read the transcript when we join.
 
no one's in the room ?
what does that mean ?
 
It might help to read sopython.com/chatroom. If someone can help they will, be patient.
 
@AM.Firnas google: xaxis matplotlib date
WANG
 
After googling and going through stack answers only I came here to ask
could not able to find the way to solve
 
4:10 AM
then make a question to the main site.
 
found some issues
 
you come here and ask a broad question with 1 line,
no context.
 
came here for clarify the things
sorry
 
 
1 hour later…
5:41 AM
@AnttiHaapala that's a good "!!", right? Seems like a good thing.
 
3
Q: "Borrow me" vs. "Lend me"?

mkumkaIs it appropriate to say "Can you borrow me your ax?" instead of "Can you lend me your ax?" I hear the prior usage in the Upper Midwest quite often.

Then someone should learn the people in the Upper Midwest better English. — Peter Shor Mar 27 '13 at 20:07
:D
 
5:57 AM
@davidism good... but then it is bad :D
 
6:44 AM
cbg
 
user6568562
7:14 AM
Morning, everyone. What up Andy
 
Noo too bad @randomhopeful , not too bad
how about you?
 
user6568562
I'm good, thank you [ :
 
7:27 AM
Antti - did you have to ax that question?
 
7:47 AM
0
Q: Django update() to swap values of two fields?

TomasThe following does not work: Car.objects.filters(<filter>).update(x=F('y'), y=F('x')) as both x and y ends up being the same value. I need to use update() instead of save() due to performance (large set of records). Are there any other way of doing an update like the one above to mimic Pyth...

hoho django?
 
I see they've "simplified" SOD rep now meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/334551/…
 
yeah they did
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A: Documentation Reputation Update Is Live

RobI feel like the calculation "The number of characters contributed is: <# of characters added> - <# of characters removed>" is a bit flawed. I don't care too much about the reputation, but it's a bit disheartening to see that I'm not even a minor contributor after having made this overhaul to a ...

this one
all these stuff would've been no problem with my "percent-delta" algorithm
 
8:13 AM
Cbg
installs Play
 
Cbg
wonders what Play is
Hmm, that's accidentally deeper than I thought. Yes, I suppose I can remember simply playing.
 
8:33 AM
have we already discussed how bad mtp is?
 
@holdenweb as per 1913 Webster definition? No, I didn't need to aks that question myself, I just googled it for someone else
mysql, php,
lol, got a flag from C#,
in C#, 6 mins ago, by Sherlock
@Froxer bitch stop acting as a child
 
Hey
@AndyK hey
 
hey @ColdFire what's up man?
 
but the transcript above and below show that it was directed at an abusive HV :D
 
@AndyK good wbu?
 
8:47 AM
Antti - not the way I like to see discourse conducted. Each to their own, I suppose
 
@holdenweb I read the transcript above and below that case, and SNR is quite low...
 
The scary python room i cant believe i am here
 
not sure if it is non-zero :D
 
fine or almost. Trying to migrate an AWS ubuntu server to a Digital Ocean one. Pip is not doing what it is supposed to do
pain in the a**
 
PITA i guess
 
8:48 AM
@ColdFire some people complain that this is the most cliquey room in the entire SO chat,
 
@AndyK You don't use docker?
 
after reading C# transcripts, I am not sure if it is a good or a bad thing
 
nope
@khajvah you think I should?
 
@AnttiHaapala agreed i just came here from a meta post saying about this room
 
@AndyK no
 
8:49 AM
@AndyK I have never used it. But they say it is very convenient, so I am gonna trye
 
@ColdFire which one :D
@khajvah it depends on what you're going to do with it.
 
-36
A: Chat room owner abuses powers - any recourse?

CerbrusNote: I'm not defending that first kick. The RO could've handled it better as well. But if you're fined by a cop and you disagree, you don't jump on the grass and tell the cop he's wrong, even if he is. You appeal it through official channels. In this case, a discussion with other ROs would've su...

 
anyway, I'm trying to have standardized dev environment
 
mostly because I have a few kinds of servers for one application
so I don't want to set up manually all the time
 
I wouldn't install 3rd-party docker apps;
too prone to breakage,
also I'd avoid all apps that only run in docker...
 
8:51 AM
@AnttiHaapala Lounge?
@AnttiHaapala yeah I don't know about that. I have proper application with non-docker apps and hope docker integration will be easy
 
@ColdFire yeah, wim is the person who uses the word cliquey constantly :D
 
@khajvah I think we have the same problem
migrating from AWS to DO seems tedious
 
@AndyK gonna start thinking about deployment next week
I don't have AWS specific stuff
 
@AndyK what AWS specific stuff there is even?
 
I setup my application using ssh to VPS
 
8:52 AM
just make sure the OS is the same
 
@AnttiHaapala I don't have anything special installed on my AWS server, just usual stuff. However, I've been using for some time
and I want to have the same packages and the same python packages in my DO box as in my AWS box
but even that, you have to fight high ground
 
@AndyK pip freeze
@AndyK also, which OS?
 
I have issues with pip freeze actually
 
if debian/ubuntu, dump the package list and re-install on DO
 
Ubuntu
 
8:55 AM
pip freeze doesn't work?
 
nope Sir
 
or perhaps they're system pkgs?
 
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement apt-xapian-index==0.45 (from -r freeze.lst (line 1)) (from versions: )
No matching distribution found for apt-xapian-index==0.45 (from -r freeze.lst (line 1))
 
Hey guys, just want to ask if extending built-in types are a good thing to do :-)
 
8:56 AM
@busukxuan yes, though it depends
it is not very usual though!
 
I did an apt-get install apt-xapian-index
 
=> it is very unusual
 
but hell no
pip freeze worked
 
@AndyK I guess that is a system package,
 
but pip install requirements did not
 
8:56 AM
just remove it from the list
 
you mean manually?
 
yes, remove manually from the list
it seems that pip freeze also added system packages even when you didn't install them by yourself
 
@AnttiHaapala What if I want to add fields? I have something like a File type to implement, but mostly it's gonna be treated as a string, and I want to give it some extra fields
string as in that path
 
@busukxuan but how can you construct your custom file?
which File are you referring to?
 
@AnttiHaapala I guess it looks at python/dist-packages
 
8:59 AM
@AndyK you'd specifically want to remove all the lines that match python/dist-packages
 
probably something like
class myFile(str):
last_modified = 0
 
yeah, you can do something like that, but I wouldn't, usually
instead I'd just have
 
@AnttiHaapala is there a way to say to pip 'Pip , please do not install packages that are already on the system?"
 
@AnttiHaapala this will also include packages installed with pip
 
okay, I think I'll compare it to other alternatives, thanks :-D
 
9:01 AM
@AndyK not really, it specifically pins certain versoins in the freeze list
so it will downgrade a package that was already newer, say
 
I can build something that can make things easier
indeed ...
 
@AndyK Andy, do you mean something other than --ignore-installed with that?
 
@Withnail there is something like that with pip ...?
 
exactly that command.
 
oh boy ...
 
9:04 AM
hang on
sorry, that flag doesn't do what I thought it did
-I, --ignore-installed - Ignore the installed packages (reinstalling instead).
 
lol exactly the opposite
what a terrible name
 
I know, right?
 
Cabbage!
What a nice surprise to wake up to: New SOD rep changes!
I love all that whining from those rep miners who are losing lots of rep now.
 
@poke it still sucks.
 
When you're looking to ignore a particular package, is it because you might already have a higher version package, and want to keep at a particular version? Or just to prevent it redoing it? Generally you'll just get requirement satisfied if it's already installed, no?
 
9:08 AM
basically if you take a substantial portion of text and condense it, you're not even a minor contributor
@Withnail ^the case is that it tries to install ubuntu system packages as well, with incorrectly pinned versions
 
@Withnail this is what I'm doing pip install -I -r freeze.bck
 
@AnttiHaapala Not saying that it doesn’t suck anymore. It’s still terrible, and I still want separate rep for docs (or even no rep at all). But the situation is better now than before.
 
it is :D
 
ohh, interesting.
 
HOPE IS NOT LOST! :D
 
9:09 AM
I tried to stay away from docs
 
@poke one degree turn, when 180 is needed :P
 
@AndyK why -I?
 
but the hypotenuse will be shorter for sure
 
is (docs.)python.org down for anyone else?
 
@khajvah actually it was this pip install -U -r freeze.lst
 
9:11 AM
no
 
the last one was the amendment after Withnail's suggestion
 
Up for me ...
 
@poke have you tried the mirror?
3
 
@khajvah nice one.
 
@poke hmm ipv6 problem perhaps?
 
9:13 AM
no idea
 
seem to be advertising both 4 and 6
 
Interviewing this afternoon. Super jittery. :(
 
fingers crossed @Withnail
 
@Withnail are you the interviewer?
 
ta. This is only my second time interviewing for an engineering job, so it's a bit terrifying. No @khajvah applicant/supplicant
:D
 
9:17 AM
supplicant :D
 
ah. good luck!
 
Good luck @withnail
 
Apparently my company has network issues at the moment… meh. GitHub is also broken
 
OH MIGHTY TECH COMPANY I SEEK SUCCOUR AND EMPLOYMENT
 
doing theater courses for a few years helped me tremendously when dealing with an audience
 
9:18 AM
I randomly apply for programming jobs to get used to interviews
 
my arm pit are always wet before an interview but I'm definitely less stressed now than before
 
Thta's more the route I'm taking after this. First couple I made the mistake of applying places I really wanted to work.
 
I hate random algorithm questions
One day I am gonna write a brainfuck program when they ask me to implement fibannaci or such algorithms in my preferred language
 
@khajvah That’s an interesting but cool idea
 
Hai all
 
9:23 AM
Hi @AM.Firnas
 
\o
 
I have a dataset CSV file, I am trying to store values for each column with dict constructor (ex : dict([('sape', 4139), ('guido', 4127), ('jack', 4098)]) )
 
adjust_timezone("Mornin'")
 
How can I get read the columns name and store values for it
 
There's a bunch of questions for this on the main site.
 
9:27 AM
I went through bit of it , but could not find it.
 
Guess I’ll take a break from work. npm is also not available for me.
 
I am basically trying to graph the things using Matplotlib
 
Seriously? Literally took about three seconds. stackoverflow.com/questions/16503560/…
 
Thanks , I am going through this
Till that can you have a look on this as well which I have posted 7 hours ago stackoverflow.com/questions/39503146/…
Tried maximum
Please see the last comment on it
:)
 
@AM.Firnas I have to let you know that coming in here with a different account and pointing to a question you posted with another account pretty recently is probably not a good idea. Have a look at the guidlines for this rrom (linked in top right) and Stack Overflow rules about multiple accounts.
Did you have a look at the answer that Withnail pointed you to? Also - definitely pay attention to all the points in the comment that someone has just posted on your question.
 
9:41 AM
Question remains the same :( No matter who's asking
 
you have rules
they are here for something
 
@AM.Firnas: are you saying you are actually Mohit Singh?
 
@AM.Firnas Sure - it's just a friendly warning. As AndyK says - the rules are the rules. Both the high voted answers in the question withnail linked are good ways to achieve what you want.
Oops - sorry Martijn - I'll leave it to you :)
 
is there a legitimate reason someone might do import XXXX when you're already in XXXX.py ?
 
@Withnail perhaps,
@Withnail one thing comes to mind: if __name__ == '__main__' the module might be installed twice
so you could say at the beginning:
if __name__ == '__main__':
     from XXXX import main()
     main()
     exit()
 
9:50 AM
ok, that's helpful - doesn't seem to be the case here, it's just a class definition in the XXXX file.
(Doing a code review, and making sure I don't mention dumb stuff. :) )
 

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