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8:00 PM
Anti-feminism typically attemps to portray feminism as something that was good "before" but now is a problem.
 
Because that's p much the truth? Feminism, as an applied word, has changed
 
Speaks volumes about the kinds of places we hang out.
My feminism is mostly a positive force for change.
 
I consider myself a humanist
 
I love this guy (no homo).
 
8:01 PM
I hate everyone equally
@EtiennedeMartel yeah, but others' isn't
and like it or not they are the ones painting the face of "modern feminism"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Who gives a shit about those? They're minority branches.
I don't see why I should answer for the bullshit of a few bad apples.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes just like atheists who are dicks and islamists who are terrorists
 
Unless you actually want those to represent the movement, I don't see why you should care either.
 
yet somehow that's how the society sees them
 
@BartekBanachewicz Society sees lots of things in stupid ways. Society voted for Brexit. I wouldn't put any stock in what they think.
 
8:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe in Poland. Not in Canada.
 
@EtiennedeMartel well, they made a lot of people abandon the "feminism" slogan altogether
@EtiennedeMartel we're on the internet. There are no borders here.
inb4 check your border privilege
 
@BartekBanachewicz Any humanism (and feminism is a humanism) starts with the idea that every human is allowed free thought and worthy of respect. Do you respect your fellow human?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Mostly not
I despise most of the people and think about them as dirty, stupid pleb
 
Then I'm afraid you're not a humanist.
 
I value good human qualities regardless of race or gender
that doesn't mean I value every human equally
@EtiennedeMartel hmm maybe I'm not then
inb4 I get called ableist
 
8:06 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I'd be more inclined to be humanist if things like Brexit did not happen.
it's hard to be in favour of humanity of a whole when things like IS exist.
 
it's hard to be in favour of humanity when you go into on SO
 
also that
 
which, I remind y'all, is the most popular tag here right now
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not sure how important that
Is
 
Ell
8:08 PM
The majority (seriously) of "feminists" I have met are "third wave" (or we you want to call them)
Well, the ones that label themselves feminists
 
@Ell "fuckheads"?
 
Only people who use "third wave feminism" outside of an academic context are those who want feminism to fail.
 
Ell
Everybody else is a "traditional femenist" by default
When people ask about my beliefs I never mention femenism because I don't want to be associated with the psychos
 
@EtiennedeMartel I think that when you look at active feminists, the dumb ones have a prominent place there
The ones that are reasonable aren't nearly as loud and obnoxious
@Ell cc @EtiennedeMartel
 
@BartekBanachewicz The assholes are always louder.
It's not a problem with feminism.
 
Ell
8:10 PM
@EtiennedeMartel what do you think of Ukip supporters?
 
It's a problem with any movement.
I'm fairly sure the American right doesn't like being associated with Trump supporters.
 
Ell
There are a lot of loud racist ukip supporters
But I the majority are quiet and not racist
IMO
 
yeah, but still dumb
 
Ell
Anyway enough from me :)
 
@Ell I think the majority is just scared and feel like the world is moving too fast for them.
 
8:11 PM
that's why I think that the calm majority shoul label themselves humanists
the word "feminist" is pretty much dead now
 
But why do we have to change anything? It's not our fault. I don't see why we should be the ones changing the name because a few jackasses hijacked it.
 
does std::high_resolution_clock exist in c++14? it doesn't seem to
in c++11 it does though, right?
 
@EtiennedeMartel fault is kinda immaterial really
 
@EtiennedeMartel because those jackasses are actually succeeding and it's just words
 
It's never just words.
Words are super important.
 
8:13 PM
you think you're opposing them and the reality is they are winning because of that
 
I'm not opposing them. I'm ignoring them.
Let them use the word. I don't care. I'll keep using it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes then maybe stop using a word that's inherently biased towards one sex for a movement that claims not to be
@EtiennedeMartel People who you're talking to don't.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Most of those I talk to don't really have an issue.
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems how did you figure that?
 
Hell, even our very own Justin Trudeau is a proud feminist.
 
8:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel maybe it's time to poke your head of your comfort zone bubble then
4 mins ago, by Ell
When people ask about my beliefs I never mention femenism because I don't want to be associated with the psychos
 
@BartekBanachewicz I could tell you the same.
 
this is how it looks for me, for Ell, and for a lot of people I know
and frankly, most of the internet, as it would seem
 
@nwp i didn't, i'm just stupid
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is not really an argument for anything.
it's an appeal to authority for one, and secondly, most of the internet is fucking stupid.
 
@BartekBanachewicz We don't see the same Internet, and honestly if you think your views are any more representative of reality than mine, then you have a problem.
 
8:15 PM
it's an argument for recognizing that you're mixed together with a bunch of idiots
if you started an anti-racism organization and called yourself "White Pride" you wouldn't get far
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz cringe at my spelling man
 
I'm not mixed with them. Someone in here is actually trying to put me in that basket, though.
Wonder why.
 
Ell
My English is getting extremely poor recently
 
@EtiennedeMartel Because my reality is different than yours, apparently
but sure, keep calling yourself a feminist if you think that's ok
just don't act surprised when people immediately take you for an idiot because of that
 
If someone takes me for an idiot because of my feminism, I don't really want to talk to them.
 
8:17 PM
not because of your feminism
 
the fridges in my local supermarket were down because of the heat.
 
because of you using the word that has a meaning different than yours for a lot of people
 
I wanted to buy an ice cream but..
 
which you refuse to acknowledge apparently
 
@BartekBanachewicz beware of your filter bubble.
 
8:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm questioning the use of "a lot".
 
@EtiennedeMartel based on your empirical evidence that is as valid as mine.
what an impasse
 
My personal experience is that feminism is a good thing that does mostly good things. Maybe outside in the real world it isn't. But around me, it does good stuff.
 
My personal experience is that feminism is a bad thing that does mostly bad things.
 
is ten microseconds good enough for a simple algorithm?
i'd hope it is
 
I linked to a YT account of a girl who has 330k subscribers and agrees with me
 
8:19 PM
well, 60 to be precise
 
I've seen bad things, sure. You didn't see good things. So, does that mean your bubble is smaller than mine?
 
I said "mostly"
 
Ell
@Puppy good job it wasn't the freezers then ;)
 
just like you
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel it's not your feminism, it's that they will think you are a psycho whether you are or not because in some ( a lot?) Of people's minds they are synonymous
 
8:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Sure. I've seen plenty of women go all "I don't need feminism because..." and then follow up with a complete misunderstanding of what feminism is about.
 
Ell
Due to the large loud number of phsycho self proclaimed feminists
 
@EtiennedeMartel when you say "misunderstanding" you mean "their understanding doesn't line up with my idea thus is wrong", right?
I can see how you think feminism does mostly bad things now
 
@Ell It was also the freezers.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I mean the general consensus.
 
clearly the ones that do bad things are just misunderstanding
 
Ell
8:22 PM
I think in general, avoiding labels is a good thing
 
@EtiennedeMartel The general consensus is that she said she's fucking tired of the flood of bullshit that she sees everywhere "feminism" pops up
 
For example there were these women who said that they weren't feminists because they wanted to stay at home and raise their family. Feminism is, amongst other things, about freedom of choice, so staying at home isn't incompatible with that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz clearly your bubbles are disjoint.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am pretty sure we're both respectively biased
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
what an impasse
I don't think it's going anywhere until either of us provides some conclusive evidence that his bubble is better
 
8:25 PM
which, if I were to guess, would make Etienne right because feminism does a lot of good things
 
I take the side that leads to fewer humans getting shafted because of what's between their legs.
 
Since you acknowledged that your view is a consequence of your bubble, maybe next time you'll think twice before making categorical statements.
 
It's just the media presence and the shouting crowd of dumbasses that annoys me
@EtiennedeMartel I like how we agree on this one
 
I like the uncertainty of "you" on plural/singular.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And I call it feminism. If it means I have to explain myself everytime I say that, then so be it. It's my choice.
 
8:26 PM
9 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
but sure, keep calling yourself a feminist if you think that's ok
 
In unrelated news, how's it going, @R.MartinhoFernandes?
You don't seem to be here often. Although I'm also not here often.
 
it's the latter
 
I'm tired.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it somehow /not ok/ to call yourself something?
@R.MartinhoFernandes How's the Hebrew coming along?
 
@sehe I was just threatening warning of implications
 
8:32 PM
hahaha. No.
@BartekBanachewicz i.imgur.com/XzpP0X7.png It's exactly that.
Those /are/ implications. But they're by choice. Your choice.
Anyhoops I didn't see the whole convo. Just responding to your self-quote
@BartekBanachewicz So, what happened to discord?
 
@sehe He left.
 
@sehe domagoj got an owner, removed me briefly from an argument with cat and I ragequit
 
I should have guessed.
 
Do you want me to post his final message here?
 
8:35 PM
> I'm not gonna play your bullshit game. I've already expressed my views on moderation and power abuse on SO chat and I won't repeat it again. If this room is gonna turn into the same thing then I don't want a part of it.
 
probably something about moderation
yeah
 
Basically it was a rerun of the old "Bartek vs Robot" battle earlier here.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No need for me. I can go dig up drama if I want
@EtiennedeMartel Can we leave discord at discord?
 
Yes.
(Although discord seems to follow Bartek huhuhuhu)
 
@EtiennedeMartel but in the end this chat has wasps and polar bears
 
8:37 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Well, that's why I asked
@BartekBanachewicz and you should probably realize you've been out for quite a bit, yourself? Maybe you should take some time before you act like this is your home. Things change. You want to give lounge a chance again, be welcome, but don't assume nothing changed or it's like Discord here.
 
Ell
@sehe +1 to this
 
its not like discord here?
since when?
 
@Ell It removes friction. But (having to) avoid(ing) labels can be felt as the opposite of freedom.
 
Ven
bartek vs robot? where/when?
 
@Puppy Hi Puppy
@Ven Go look for it. Drama is overrated
 
Ell
8:41 PM
@sehe I just feel in general it is best for personal interest
 
the things that changed and I've observed were mostly
a) me not being here
b) pretty much noone being here
 
Ven
@sehe I'm in bed, and I'm sure it's enough to make me fall asleep :)
 
sure, if you have less people in a room it will seem calmer
 
@Ven fap
 
that's how internet communication works regardless of medium
 
8:42 PM
@Ell many things are. Some people value principles over interest :)
 
Ven
@sehe I have enough endocrine thanks
 
Ell
A while ago I tried to cut my meat content down to 0. I called myself a vegetarian and then realised it was a massive mistake because while I was cutting my meat down over time (not going cold er.. Turkey) people would tell me "you're not a vegetarian haha, you've given up already"
 
Note how I don't stamp my choice on that. It's just something I understand
@BartekBanachewicz trololol.
 
@Ell funny how that's similar. You can not eat meat and not be a vegetarian at the same time
 
Bartek introspection: denied
 
8:44 PM
@sehe yo
 
if I go and eat a salad for dinner doesn't mean I'm a vegetarian
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz right. I should have known to call myself an aspiring vegetarian
 
no, you should have known to not bother calling yourself anything
noone gives a fuck about what you eat
 
Ell
But even mentioning the vegetarian word gets you attacked by some meat eaters
 
and rightly so
3
 
8:44 PM
Incredibly
 
Ven
2 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
LINQ is basically "we didn't know how to make our language do data processing in a reasonable way so we just slapped an SQL parser on top of it and called it a day"
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz some of my friends do
 
Ven
What does this even mean?! wtf dude
 
Ell
We discuss things sometimes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Starred for Bartek reveal
 
8:45 PM
@sehe that's probably because of meat-induced anger
 
@Ven It means "Hi I'm back, and I still value my opinion most if I express it with a bit of leeway to soup things up a bit"
 
@BartekBanachewicz It was a pun :)
 
the joke
my head
 
re-veal
 
Ell
8:46 PM
I'd like to get some earplugs to sleep with but I'm afraid my alarm won't wake me up
 
user1804599
The LINQ syntax is literally do notation and therefore very useful
 
@Ell Doesn't that mean you get to sleep more?
 
2 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
Poland is 65% grilled meats.
 
@Bassie You go girl
 
8:47 PM
> Hey dood what you been up tooo? How many steakz did you hog
> None man I felt like eating shit of my salad for the past month
> That's brutal dude
> ye
 
That's your problem.
 
really I don't feel that meat is especially important
 
Ell
@sehe I guess :P
 
a fruit/vegetable/carbs diet should be sufficient
 
@EtiennedeMartel ... you're enjoying this, aren't you?
 
Ell
8:47 PM
It surely won't look good on the CV though :P
 
@Ell if your friend respond with anything else than "that's brutal dude" you can ditch them
 
@sehe I enjoy any mention of Poland, regardless of context.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel you're so racist
 
Ell
To any sentence?
 
8:48 PM
@Ell Well if you plan to keep that up for years, it might not be a swell idea.
 
@Ell no, to the one above
 
Personally, I don't really need an alarm, and you lot know I wreck my biorhythm good
 
@Puppy it can be sufficient if appropriately balanced
 
Ell
@sehe it's strange, for the past 3 days I've been waking up at 5:30 on the dot
 
user1804599
@sehe I do
 
Ell
8:49 PM
And I cannot find the reason why
 
which I think is much harder if you introduce arbitrary restrictions
 
Ell
My alarm is set for 06:00
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not consuming meat isn't really an arbitrary restriction- there's some perfectly good practical reasons for it
 
well you could not afford it
which is a perfectly good reason
 
Yup. Like "Pigs don't grow on trees"
 
Ell
8:50 PM
@Puppy I do think it is more difficult to get a balanced diet without meat though
 
@BartekBanachewicz I like Poland. They're the best civ. That free social policy is so OP.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Do you mean the free money policy
 
well, meat farming is responsible for a fairly large amount of environmental damage
 
@EtiennedeMartel You know. I'd appreciate if you stopped poking
 
aka the worst retarded change a polish government made ever
 
Ell
8:50 PM
@sehe yeah that's very impressive
I don't know how you do it
 
and is heavily responsible for antibiotic-resistant bacteria
 
@Ell Me neither. I do regret it often
 
@EtiennedeMartel don't you think I don't know what's wrong with Poland because I most certainly do better than you
I'm not a nationalist
 
Seriously you guys.
> Receive a free Social Policy when you advance to the next era.
That's the OP stuff.
 
user1804599
Lol a rationalist arguing with an SJW
 
Ell
8:52 PM
Phew
 
@EtiennedeMartel that would be funny if it wasn't real
 
Ell
I thought it was civ
 
user1804599
Popkorn
 
like right now
like currently
like claiming people retirement funds and ruining the national budget while having terrible effects on society
shit's real, yo
@Puppy that's actually true
I found out about cow-induced methane production the other day
it's apparently huge
 
yep.
not to mention the huge amounts of land, water, etc that's consumed
 
8:54 PM
we should hold them in sealed biomes and use that methane for fuel
 
but really antibiotic-resistant bacteria is the big one for me
 
Well, it took us off-line for a little while, but it appears that Cox can actually do a fairly fast connection if you pay them enough.
 
people literally die for meat farming.
 
A+
inb4 etienne posting from work again
 
8:55 PM
Meh.
 
I should get 300/300 in about... 4 months?
something like that
 
You and your glorious European Internets.
 
and steaks
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, there's definitely faster around--I'm just happy that it's finally at least a little faster than I had at home!
 
Here, if you wanna go fast, you have to shell a fuckton of cash.
 
8:56 PM
european infrastructure is much newer
 
except in Britain
 
and in the US infrastructure, as john oliver put it, it's not a sexy election topic
@Puppy obviously
 
one problem with being the first to industrialise is that a lot of our infrastructure was built at that time
 
@JerryCoffin Mine hangs on "Finding optimal server..." :(
 
Ell
@Puppy yep :(
 
8:57 PM
@Puppy OTOH we have fucked up roads so
@Mysticial try fast.com
 
@Mysticial They didn't account for Chicago, with over 256 servers having <5 ms ping times... :-)
 
e.g. in Poland owning a Ferrari or a comparable car realistically restricts you to like 30% of the roads
 
Ell
Goodnight folks
 

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