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5:48 AM
@Magisch @MadaraUchiha
 
6:14 AM
@Shvet You should probably raise that on meta, but Shog (the one who set the new rule)'s word holds over some CS rep
But you really should raise that on meta
 
I was searching on meta before posting this in this morning
i am still searching for this and will post it
 
Good
Its nice to have some conclusive outcome to the discussion
 
Yes I would like to end this very soon
Everything was going good so far for our questions and answers, suddenly a problematically wave came and destroy everything in room
also if you dont know there was some people who has some personal problem with use due to intelligent level who was against us from starting to use this website too
you just supported them
 
@Shvet Well
Non english chat on here is a bad idea, for all the reasons shog laid out
and now they're enforcing this rule
and some people are unable to adapt
 
lets say we adapt it too but what about intelligent level everyone is not same intelligent! some can not convey their questions very well
 
6:22 AM
At some point they will have to, or rooms will be frozen and it will turn into a giant cat & mouse game with the mods
these people can use other sites then SO
SO is in english for people who speak english and its chat is in english
 
infect they are some official sites for other languages too you know
 
There are programming Q/A sites in hindi, im sure
But this site is in english
 
I check SO's beta site which has made some other language site for this too
 
My native language isn't english either, and I don't go around demanding to speak german
 
Oh boy. Now some users will use that email as an excuse to use other languages. That won't end well...
@Magisch Nein! We speak English! :D
 
6:26 AM
@Cerbrus Hence why im recommending they ask this on meta
no matter, people using non english consistently will just get their rooms frozen
:p
And the rahul guy is back and got suspended again for an hour
 
They don't seem interested in meta.
Really?
What did he do?
 
They pinged me in the androidians room a bunch
with this screenshot
so I told them to raise it on meta
 
Hm
 
then the rahul guy used expletives
which got deleted and triggered a 1 hour chat ban again
Im done posting in that room btw
 
@Magisch He should've seen that coming
I'm reading up there a little
"The mail is more recent"... Are they truely that dense?
 
6:30 AM
Not going to repeat what he said
And im not going to comment on their ability to understand
@Cerbrus They think allowing english only is racism
I stopped engaging in discussion with that
 
@Magisch *facedesk*
 
6:51 AM
I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how to do that, @Magisch
 
@Cerbrus Im 5 minutes away from passing this whole mess to a mod and be done with it
@Cerbrus just stop responding there, its not worth it
 
@Magisch while it's true that all rooms are public, it doesn't mean you should actively look for rooms breaking the rules and flagging them
We can do that ourselves, it's a waste of our (your's and our's) time.
 
@MadaraUchiha i guess he told that he get bored in work and started all this
 
If you encounter rooms that refuse to speak in English, or wave you off and resume speaking whatever, do flag.
But going over the list and flagging rooms, while technically valid, is kinda pointless.
 
I didn't even go there on my own this time
5 people in there pinged me
I sometimes stroll through recently active rooms in my lunch breaks or when Im waiting on stuff
 
7:04 AM
in Androidians, 52 secs ago, by Shvet
lol they kicked me out of their room now
 
@MadaraUchiha They apparently got a response from SE support
probably some boilerplate thing from someone unaware of the recent developments
 
@Magisch I've seen.
 
why do you kick me here?
 
There's gonna be a couple of them joining here...
 
@Shvet Because you're trolling.
 
7:05 AM
So now we have a whole new crapstorm on our hands
 
why not?
i am not
 
Im getting tired of it by now
 
that what i read in your history
 
How hard is it for people to just accept that they need to speak english
 
@Magisch i think there point is they cant express there issue in english properly
 
7:06 AM
hey everyone ..please listen carefully ..you are not the owner of so ..neither support team..when So will officialy release that ..english is mandotary in chat...we will follow ..otherwise NO
 
@ankitagrawal Then they have no business being on here
simple as
Its an english site for english speaking developers
 
Madara Uchiha has frozen this room.
 
I'm not going to have this discussion again so listen carefully.
Stack Overflow is an English speaking site, for English speaking users.
In meta, we've gotten clear instructions that English is chat's language. Rooms that refuse discussing things in English will be frozen, because they cannot be moderated.
I'm tired of explaining to people why we only accept English, and the fact that not everyone are up-to-date on the policy is not helping.
So to remove all doubt, this is the policy: Rooms who refuse to hold discussions in English will be frozen.
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If your room was frozen, and you would like to dispute, go to meta.
I don't want to hear complaining about it anymore. That's the policy. Live with it. We will make sure the SO support team is up to date on this as well.
 
Madara Uchiha has unfrozen this room.
 
@mad it might be worth posting this to the other room aswell
 
7:11 AM
are you sure the message was sent to the respective owner of the room ?
 
@Shubhank I don't care anymore.
I've had this discussion at least 10 times in the past 3 days.
 
good enough.
 
ok @MadaraUchiha
 
I'll just freeze on sight, and have them go to meta.
@Shubhank and don't think I've missed ChaosOverflow in the last few days.
Make sure they speak English as well.
I just haven't had the time to open another mess with another room.
 
they do
 
7:13 AM
@Shubhank Sometimes.
 
nope. its permanent
people are kicked when they dont use english
 
@MadaraUchiha can you please give me that meta question where it was decided
i couldnt find it
just wanted to see something
 
thanks @Cerbrus
 
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A: Non-English Discussions in SE Chat

Shog9The choice here isn't between carefully moderating non-English rooms and shutting them down. It's between unmoderated rooms and shutting them down. There are... A lot of languages that aren't English. Way more than three. Expecting moderators or even 10k users to be able to interpret some abbre...

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Q: Disallow languages other than English in chat

Madara Uchiha Please note that I am proposing a Policy Change in this post and not a Software Change on purpose. That's because software changes are hard to make, and policy changes are easy. I can propose a million changes to the chat software, and in fact, many have been already proposed. It happened a...

 
7:19 AM
just one question are all non english comments by people in groups are flagged
@MadaraUchiha @Cerbrus
 
@MadaraUchiha if someone is not good in English language discuss issue then there so many dev.
 
@Narendra If you can't speak English, then Stack Overflow might not be the site for you.
 
@MadaraUchiha there is any rule for that because someone read English but not good in writing then what about that developer
 
7:41 AM
I just had a good discussion with kiturk3, at least one more user that understands the situation, and wants to work to improve that room :D chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/112858/…
 
Rahul is back and back to not wanting to understand it, again
@cerb
 
I noticed
Just don't engage with him any more
 
leave it no solution to this
@Cerbrus i see you are trying to help
 
@ankitagrawal That's all I have been trying to do the last few days :-)
 
@Magisch you are being rude i guess that is why
 
7:46 AM
@AnshulTyagi: why do you need access to that discussion I linked?
 
@MadaraUchiha Apparently the Androidians don't take my word for it, can you repeat your policy response to them?
 
Lol
HAHAHAHAH
Crying like baby Madara they are not listening please do something
 
@Rahul leave it
 
Wanna speak
 
@Cerbrus lol
 
7:47 AM
yeah man
 
@AnshulTyagi Sorry, but that discussion came to a conclusion
 
@Rahul i think SO needs to decide on a policy
that is the issue
 
not taking any one's side guys !! but rahul is ri8 this time
 
lol @Radhe
 
leave it man
 
7:48 AM
CLOSE SO simply
 
before a month ago where is that policy gonn!!
 
that is what i said leave it
 
so much drama
 
i don't any other language target by them
 
Guys. Madara sent a clear message. Chat is english only. Period.
 
7:49 AM
any one listent about bibhishana
here he is
 
ya thats y we do it in english now i guess !!
 
LOL still
ahahaha
 
@Cerbrus would you mind creating 10 diff rooms for 10 users and explaining them individually :D
 
@Shubhank How are you drama king ? :v
 
@Cerbrus but the question is madara the ruler?
 
7:49 AM
@Shubhank Dear god, no.
 
@AnshulTyagi queen
 
@ankitagrawal Marada is a SO Moderator.
 
@Cerbrus then seriously ask mod to help in and stop wasting your time explaining things.. already spent many days on it
 
If he says jump, we ask "How high?".
 
but only a moderator @Cerbrus
So needs a clear policy on this @Cerbrus
 
7:50 AM
leave it
 
as long as there is no policy issue like this will arise @Cerbrus
 
@ankitagrawal Raise it on meta if you want even more people to respond to it
 
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
Guys, this discussion is over.
It's been explained 10 times already.
You've gotten dozens of links from at least 2 SO mods and a SO community manager saying SO chat rooms are english only.
I am not going to explain it again and again and again.
If you want to, read this: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/112858/… .
@Magisch / @MadaraUchiha: I'll unlock this in a while...
 
@Cerbrus Can you remove me from the RO the access requests are spamming me :/
 
7:57 AM
You should still have write access
 
8:44 AM
@cerb the drama has restarted. Sorry to jynx your moment of tranquility
 
goddamnit, what now
 
flags being tossed in androidians again
 
@Shubhank: For crying out loud, don't engage them.
Flag and move on.
 
i have been declined to participate in the room by madara
can i ask if i can ping and abuse and delete my message too ?
 
Eh, what?
 
8:47 AM
:o madara is not in a good mood
He just deleted rahul's account
 
Neither am I.
 
deleted
thanks
 
@AndrasDeak: you should have write access now. (F5)
 
@cerb smell some of the flowers in SOCVR to lighten your mood
 
Here we go again... I'm not responding to that RO, @MadaraUchiha :-)
 
8:51 AM
 
@MadaraUchiha ikr
 
@MadaraUchiha i commend your patience
 
commend*
 
I would have frozen that room without a second thought days ago
 
(right?)
 
8:52 AM
@Cerbrus yes, yes, thanks, firefox auto-refreshed. I just didn't want to add noise for no reason:) Thanks for write access.
 
np
room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
Keep it clean.
I'm not going to warn. If I feel the discussion is going to south, back to gallery mode.
@Narendra: you can talk
 
Welp, so much for my newly gained rights:( :P
 
I'm getting more access requests. It's been on lockdown for an hour. Probably will be again, in an hour.
 
there's supposed to be a note about leaving gallery mode...shouldn't there?
 
1 min ago, by Cerbrus
room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk
 
8:56 AM
oh, I didn't see one when it was started, OK then
I mean an official one from Feeds, like when a RO's status is changed
 
Hm, gallery mode doesn't seem to trigger a "feeds" message, indeed.
 
OK then:)
 
Hi
 
wow rahul account got deleted
 
9:10 AM
@ankitagrawal He had asked for it
 
when?
 
in Androidians, yesterday, by Rahul
wow on SO there is no option to delete profile
 
that is just a statement
 
read from then on down
in Androidians, yesterday, by Rahul
i don't care
in Androidians, yesterday, by Rahul
i'm not coming back for this kind of shit
 
ok @Magisch
 
9:13 AM
Let me break in right here. If you disagree with the deletion of his profile: Too bad. That's something only Rahul can discuss with SE staff.
None of our business
 
@Cerbrus i was just asking not passing my judgement
 
@ankitagrawal: Sorry. I'm in a bad mood. Carry on.
 
if he wished his account should be deleted then it his decision @Cerbrus
ok thanks @Cerbrus
btw all is done @Cerbrus now chill up discussion is over already
 
So you guys won't file another meta post?
 
Don't tell me to "chill up".
 
9:17 AM
Can we lay this entire topic to rest now?
 
@Magisch not upto me to decide
 
^
 
i can write in english most of the time without a issue
maybe sometimes grammer error can be there
i was only concerned about them
 
@Rahul Madara deleted your SO Account per your request. You need a SO account to chat. So if you want to chat again, you will have to make a new SO account and earn 20 reputation.
 
He's not in here
 
9:23 AM
@Magisch that discussion is over why you starting again
and also he is not here @Cerbrus right
 
Because he just joined the Androidians channel again
somehow
 
@Magisch where i cant see it?
 
Chat profile still exists. I guess he just can't chat.
 
His chat profile exists until the next cleanup. He's manually suspended for a month though.
 
Damn. Ah well, his own fault.
 
9:26 AM
but he is not chatting so what is the issue
 
I've gotten allergic to "but <...> so what is the issue"
 
10:08 AM
@ankitagrawal He's not chatting because I suspended him, not because he didn't want to.
As for his account deletion, I didn't delete his account. He emailed the staff, waited a day, said he's extra sure, and then his account got deleted.
We don't make it easy to delete your own account, for a good reason, we want to make sure you're extra sure.
 
10:38 AM
@Cerbrus I suggest pinning Madara's policy comment there ---/
as long as there are only a few stars, it shoud be visible anyway
but it might be helpful if the discussions keep going
 
@MadaraUchiha ok
i was saying to @Magisch that his account is deleted so lets put this discussion to rest
 
let's:)
 
Ahh
@mad I thought you helped the request along by deleting him. Guess that wasnt the case
 
yes
 
10:57 AM
@Magisch The support team handles that.
 
Well yeah but mods can too
afaik
 
@MadaraUchiha thanks for the info
btw on a side note are you a naruto fan too @MadaraUchiha
 
@Magisch We don't anymore. We delete in extreme behavioral cases, not when the user requests it.
@ankitagrawal You think? :P
 
lol:D
I think the name's a coincidence. And the avatar. And the profile description.
 
i think you are @MadaraUchiha
 
11:03 AM
:D
 
@AndrasDeak Good idea
 
The question is now
What do I do with littered new posts in non-english now
 
madara badass
 
Just ignore them until it becomes a pattern?
 
@Magisch littered?
as in sporadic?
 
11:04 AM
Flag? Tell people to speak english?
 
never flag unless you're sure it's offensive
 
If it's an incident, don't act on it.
If it's a pattern, just flag it
 
if it's not offensive, or you're unsure, then that ^
 
Don't tell them the rules, don't tell them what to do
 
and don't warn, that just causes arguments and enmity
 
11:05 AM
Yea..
 
either flag or move on
only mods have the authority to interfere with a room's internal affairs vs rules
But I still strongly believe that you should not be scouting chat for stuff to flag
and seeing a foreing post and concluding "I don't get that, maybe I should flag" includes "scouting chat for stuff to flag" in my opinion
 
right @AndrasDeak that is what was happening will appreciate if it doesnt happen anymore
 
I'm amazed none of them wrote a meta question yet
 
If you stumble upon entire discussions held in a different language, do flag it
But don't actively go searching for it, and don't flag individual messages
There's a reason us mods don't go and actively search everywhere.
 
@ankitagrawal I think you should generally sit this one out in terms of your personal opinion on the matter
the rules are fairly clear now
 
11:10 AM
That said, I'm not very inclined to leave the androidians room.
 
I think we've caused enough damage there. Unless they still haven't learned their lessons, which, for now at least, doesn't seem like the case.
 
and anyway, expressing dismay for what has happened, while understandable, is not constructive
let's focus on what to do in the future to keep things running
 
@AndrasDeak it wasnt personal opinion i was telling you,it was happening since i can understand whole chat
 
@ankitagrawal I might have misunderstood you, then
I mostly responded to "appreciate if it doesnt happen anymore"
 
ok @AndrasDeak
anyways i dont have a problem with english anyways @AndrasDeak
 
11:13 AM
of course:)
 
@MadaraUchiha cannon episodes of naruto have returned in case you still watching the show
and madara is being ripped apart @MadaraUchiha
 
@ankitagrawal You mean, after they returned and then gone filler again?
 
Or did the Kaguya fillers finish?
 
kaguya cannon has return
and madara was ripped by kaguya
now naruto and sasuke are fighting kaguya
and sakura is crying as usual
probably 5-7 till end
 
11:16 AM
@ankitagrawal I've seen that, but then black zetsu started to tell them the story of kaguya and we entered more fillers about Kaguya's past
 
You two guys are speaking a different language of your own there :o
:D
 
i havent watched last 2 episodes
but my friend told me no filler in last 2 episodes
 
I stopped watching back when Madara was still Tobi
but at least I can understand the dialect:D
 
i think manga also has kaguya story
so it was cannon
@AndrasDeak lol
 
@ankitagrawal I've just confirmed it, last 2 eps are still filler.
 
11:18 AM
i just want it to end let naruto be in peace
 
@ankitagrawal lol, there's no such thing as peace.
Did you really think there'd be a happy end outside of my Infinite Tsukuyomi?
 
This. Is. Mangaaaa.
 
lol
@MadaraUchiha you are going to be dead in 5 episodes
so you are going to be definitely in peace
 
@ankitagrawal No, you're going to think I'm dead in 5 episodes
 
11:19 AM
In fact, you're all still in Infinite Tsukuyomi.
You can have your happy end in a dream.
 
i can cancel out your infinite tsukuyomi
 
@ankitagrawal Keep telling yourself that :)
 
man you were toyed by kaguya
i am naruto then
 
@ankitagrawal No, you were toyed by me, to think that I was toyed by Kaguya.
 
that is your misunderstanding @MadaraUchiha
 
11:20 AM
@ankitagrawal Keep telling yourself that :)
 
your eye has put yourself in the genjutsu
 
All I'm saying is, don't you think it's kind of weird that in the end everyone got their dreams come true?
 
Naruto became Hokage, Hinata married Naruto, Sakura married Sasuke
 
in fillers
 
11:21 AM
@ankitagrawal No, I'm talking about the canon
 
sakura was dumbest char of naruto universe
i see
 
@ankitagrawal No arguing there.
 
was did she even in the series i didnt get
 
The canon ended so perfectly, don't you think it's a bit too good to be true? :P
As if.... you're all.... still dreaming.....
 
i wanted to kick masashi for making sakura and also a main char in story
yeah
animes generally end good
unless you watch a dark anime
lol do you remember haku @MadaraUchiha
 
 
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10:06 PM
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Q: How can we support languages other than English in Stack Overflow's chat... And should we?

Shog9This old question has come up again, this time sparked by a heaping pile of flags in a room dedicated to Gujarati Android developers. But the question isn't new; two years ago, this was the lament: This isn't one of our language Q&A sites. We don't allow anything other than English on the ma...

 
@Cerbrus oh, nice
 
10:29 PM
Maybe I'll drop the link in the androidians room tomorrow morning... (If the subject pops up again)
 
11:16 PM
pretty interesting post
 

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