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7:58 AM
Yup, there's still a language barrier on that meta post.
And a fundamental misunderstanding on how SO works, from some of the answerers / commenters.
 
man, you have like hijacked that question :P.. Cerbrus all over it
 
Hm, you're right
 
lol @Shubhank you are right
 
ease down a little bit.
 
Best comment there:
I don't know why this answers are required to edit...These answers are clearly the opinion of a users. Single user / moderator is editing all answers. What should we understand of this editing? just for the sack of points.>!!!!! — Arth Tilva 13 mins ago
 
8:08 AM
yeah..
i think we need indian moderators. thats it, its not that after moving to SE we wont have any drama
shifting the drama isnt a solution
 
We won't have any drama ;-)
 
lol, you dont know us :P
 
Make me Mod.
 
hehe
@TheLittleNaruto
 
Shifting it to SE does help though, since there's experienced non-english moderation available there.
Compared to SO chat, which has no non-English moderation at all.
 
8:11 AM
I am the only one you're looking for, Make me hokage and you'll get this issue solved forever.
 
you know if there was a indian mod there, we would already have indian rooms there
last i remembered was Satya who was a mod on Super User
there is one!
his days are gonna get busy :D
 
There are a couple of options:
- Just ban all non-english discussion --> DRAMA
- Move non-english to SO --> DRAMA, but moderated. 1/2 drama?
- Do nothing --> DRAMA
 
drama anyways
 
8:14 AM
That is why I am saying you again, make me mod.
I am the only one who should be your first choice
 
make @TheLittleNaruto mod @Cerbrus
 
Even if I wanted to, It's not like I can make you a mod :P
 
XD
Remove @MadaraUchiha from his position and make me mod. He is no match for me.
Even he knows my power
 
lol @MadaraUchiha was ripped already @TheLittleNaruto
2 episodes back
 
yeah! Like I said above...
Madara is nothing but talking cat.. doing meow meow always... XD
 
8:18 AM
lol
 
Today another episode will be released
 
You guys are having fun
 
tbh I started liking super Grand ma Kaguya. She is awesome Ninja
Again Madara is no match for her too.
 
8:34 AM
arth's answer is hilarious
 
8:47 AM
I cleared that one up a bit.
What a mess
 
lol
@WeirdNerd
 
what is really weird is they are proposing to take hundreds of user from SO to SE.. Stackoverflow chat is going tobe shifted to another domain..
 
English rooms outnumber non-english.
 
well you dont know the pattern here..
when SO was made, no one knew it. room 1,5,10,15 or whatsoever were madee.. and they have been living since then..
problem arise when the site grew and now the developers are also from the other countries... sooner or later you will have more non english rooms than english
they wont be the users who are involved with the policy site was made it, nor will they care to read it i guess.
 
@Shubhank What makes you think so?
If that were the case, why aren't non-english rooms outnumbering the english ones already?
 
8:56 AM
well this is not the first time the language barriers have come it.. dont you think
@Cerbrus cause they dont care about community. hundreds have been made and frozen due to inactivity
you can take example of professional gujarati room.. it has been quite inactive since the mod took actions.
 
"Community" isn't the point of SO.
If a room like that causes problems, it gets closed.
Same for any other room
 
yeah, its a never ending discussion.
excited to know what Shog will do this time :D
 
Oh, and that gujarati room is so silent because it's in gallery mode
Nothing kills a room like gallery mode
 
been gallery from day 1
 
That's silly :D
 
9:15 AM
1
A: How can we support languages other than English in Stack Overflow's chat... And should we?

BenjolOn behalf of all Brits, I would like to officially apologise for this unfortunate situation. Despite our best efforts we only ever managed to colonise 20% of the world's population, we therefore recognise that it is our responsibility that there continue to be pockets of uncivilised non-English ...

Gold.
 
xD
how come its upvoted
 
*cough*
I posted an answer.
 
finally
 
hehe
And added a tl;dr :P
 
and its also the most boring one..
surprised how Magisch wants to avoid drama in the chat today but is active there :p
 
9:24 AM
Boring? I'm Dutch. What'd you expect?!
 
netherland ?
 
Aye
*Netherlands
That "s" is part of the name
 
cool
we got 2 dutch in chaos room.
one called 10K+ user retarded for being suspended.. so i expect drama :p
 
wut
Whoa, my answer is at -5 already.
 
lol @Cerbrus
 
9:33 AM
more you help. more you get opposed as intruder..
 
@Cerbrus you're also a joke for us. peaceAnshul Tyagi 36 secs ago
Waaaaat
o.O
 
:P
 
lol Cerbrus, you asked for it. XD
 
Fuck me for trying to be helpful :/
 
lol
fuck me @Cerbrus
that was a materpiece
even better than madara
 
9:46 AM
"That"?
My answer? Or those comments
 
Fuck me for trying to be helpful :/ this comment
 
ah
If anything, the confusion there is a clear illustration of the language barrier
 
The Global language should be Sanskrit, imho
Because it deserves to be.
As it's most ancient language of this universe.
 
The most ancient language is grunts and punches
 
lol @TheLittleNaruto @c
@Cerbrus
true @TheLittleNaruto sanskrit is anciet
 
9:53 AM
Someone called?
 
Yea
@Benjol: I think it'd be better if you'd remove the answer...
As much as it pains me, 'cause it is funny.
 
@Cerbrus Heh, you're answer is more downvoted than mine. For the moment :)
 
The problem is that the extremely thick, stubborn language barrier makes it impossible to explain to them that your answer is a joke.
 
And @Shog9 started it, by insulting the British!
 
9:56 AM
@Cerbrus, yes, but that (to me) is part of demonstrating the problem.
 
@Benjol good point
@Benjol Fuel to the fire, I'm afraid.
 
@Cerbrus major facepalm
 
even someone with the best of intentions can't help if there is a chip on the opposite shoulder
because it's not just a question of translation: there's interpretation going on there. i.e., they are suspecting you (and I guess, me) of ulterior motives so they aren't believing your words, even if they understand them.
 
Oh I know they don't trust me
This discussion has been going on a few days now
I've been trying to help them
 
benjol +3
cerebrus -4
 
9:58 AM
But no, they don't want help.
 
ops, there it went
 
Oh
It got Clemented
Well, I guess that works. Sorry to see it go like that, though.
 
I really don't see the issue with your post, @Cerbrus
 
Grudge
 
10:00 AM
but then again I'm not part of the problem
 
@AndrasDeak, from what I understand it's an issue with him, not the post.
 
except he is hijacking which although not wrong, but there is a fine line too..
 
I am basically shooting down some of their suggestions
@Shubhank I could argue that they're hijacking the thread just as much
 
its their only chance
 
*It's their
 
10:01 AM
plus since you are not a mod. its very easy to target you too
 
Mods get trolled too, doesn't matter
I don't get the hijacking bit though
and Undo's suggestion kicks ass
 
they have understood by now mod have powers and cerbrus does not :p
 
What they don't seem to understand is that my answer is in their favour.
 
mod does not help to explain. you are not a mod so your explanation does not count.
4-5 days gone in this only
 
Ah well, in a few hours, the regular meta crowd will wake up. My answer shall rule them all :D
 
10:03 AM
I'm a very liberal person: if someone wants to bang their heads into a wall very very intensively, let them
 
lol @Cerbrus
 
*Bangs head on desk* I'm a rebel.
 
regular meta crowd
 
i tried to tell that to Cerbrus yesterday to the contrary he seemed very happy to find cooperative users which are missing today lol :p
 
who are those @Cerbrus?
 
10:04 AM
There are some users that are happy to cooperate, indeed.
 
so do we expect a definitive answer from the CM today ?
i guess this is going to be the policy
 
Not today
6-8 days
 
for real ?
 
no, 6-8 weeks
 
lol
 
6-8 weeks i knew
6-8 day sound like for real ! :/
 
I figured "weeks" was unrealistic :P
 
and days not???
this is a very sensitive subject
and a lot of viable choices need development
 
a lot of developers are looking upto the question and more the delay = more the trashing of the high rep people for not responding in my opinion
 
10:11 AM
it's really not about reputation, it's about authority
but since we're having this discussion, this means that a lot of people are wildly unaware of how things work here
 
they will count them same
to them it is you guys have rep and power.. so you can do whatever you want
 
Just now, this guy called me a "moderator" again, after I fixed some typo's in his answer.
 
@Shubhank by they you mean who?
 
they who seem to be opposing english rule
 
10:14 AM
although i hate it too :/
 
10:37 AM
I answered again... not sure it will make much difference
 
10:59 AM
@Benjol Much better
 
We'll see, I wanted to write more, but I also wanted to go for lunch :)
 
Lunch <3
 
11:19 AM
#TheLittleNarutoForMod
2
 
lol
trending in twitter
 
@Cerbrus Pin my above message. At least that you can do. Isn't it ? ^^
@ankitagrawal lol yes
 
Hm, we should start flagging answers on there as dupes
"I can't speak english very well so SO should allow other languages in chat!" #4 got posted
 
@Cerbrus oppressionist
hits @Cerbrus with the flag of freedom
 
11:27 AM
#hijacking :P
 
And proud...?
 
Brace yourself!
Lord *himself* TheLittleNaruto is going to be your next kind and baby Mod.
 
is trolling allowed in the room ?
 
I guess
 
No
 
11:29 AM
as long as it doesn't offend anyone
 
naruto sucks
 
naruto rocks
;)
 
naruto is a stupid anime char
 
naruto is best anime character
everybody loves him
Even you too
somewhere in your deep heart
 
good enough... i guess i sent my msg across :p
 
11:31 AM
lol
 
I'll go out on a limb here and say that this might be mildly off-topic:P
 
you'd be right, but whatever :P
 
lol
this discussion got sidetracked
 
12:11 PM
20 people want to become mod, only few are selected. I dont see how we cant apply the same principle here. Hindi is the national language of india and its known by > 90% of the people here. — Shubhank 2 mins ago
@Shubhank >90%? That's quite an exaggeration.
 
you think ?
i meant by india
 
You may want to clarify that
"its known by > 90% of Indian users."
 
done
 
Oh looks like I missed the "of india" part
 
:/
 
12:13 PM
Boooo silly oppressionist
 
My brain is being scrambled by that discussion
 
now you're using censorship!!!1111 ;D
next time you'll come and turn our carrots orange instead of purple NO WAIT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT
you animals
 
Don't tempt me, or I'll go full censornazi on yer arse!
 
lol
90% right by shubhank
 
great.. now i cant edit it and its a poor english comment now!
 
12:18 PM
now upvotes yet
repost and delete the original, if you're concerned enough
 
nope
i will rub it in Cebrus face
 
Hm?
 
@Cerbrus how does it feel to be the one putting the max effort and still on -5 :p
 
@Shubhank I'm patient
I'll get a positive score tonight.
 
12:20 PM
true that
 
yeah right
as if meta wasn't based on crowd and robo voting
 
It's a popularity contest
About as fair as the Eurovision song contest.
 
let's enroll Celine Dion then
 
why does Andras has a boring avatar
 
because he sucks
 
12:32 PM
;p;
lol
 
12:56 PM
LostMind uses a lot of bold
 
lol @Shubhank that is why he mind is lost due to loss of blood
 
Still votes Arth's answer as the bestt :p
 
It's impractical
We can't lock out flags until an RO responds
 
i really like it.
how FROZEN is in caps
 
lol
@Cerbrus banning chats not in english is also not good
it is not lesser evil it is eviler evil
 
1:00 PM
@ankitagrawal Did you read Undo's suggestion?
 
yes i did @Cerbrus
not great
why not chat.so
or a hindi version for india for chat
 
because there are no Indian mods on chat.SO, only on chat.SE
and this goes for Russian as well
and a lot of other big languages
 
@ankitagrawal Chat.SO only has english moderators
Chat.SE has mods in more languages.
 
chat.SE has all the sub-site mods around
and ten times the mods in general
 
chat.SE has so many modss...
 
1:03 PM
but since we have russian local site
 
those who arent feel left out :p
 
why cant we have chat.in
lol cerebrus still on -5
only above 2 answer
i would love to see @Magisch answer
 
you'd need in.SO, and then you'd have Indian chat on chat.SE --> just what Undo proposed
without the in.SO part
 
1:29 PM
-4 !
 
is that an improvement?:D
 
@ankitagrawal My answer would boil down to: "Every decent programmer needs to know decent english, so having chat and/or sites in other languages is by definition counterproductive"
 
chat is supposed to be fun
 
@Shubhank wrong
 
it aint ?
 
1:41 PM
it ain't
 
why not
why are chat rooms tagged cats
 
Jeff Atwood on April 29, 2010
When people ask me what mistakes we made in building Stack Overflow, near the top of the list is not acknowledging the need for a meta-discussion site earlier. That is, a place for people to discuss Stack Overflow itself.
 
why do we have caprica with hangman
 
what chat is for ---------------------------------------------------^
doesn't contain "fun" anywhere in the text
 
The language of and around programming is english, and thats not likely to change due to numerous factors, so nobody gets around english
 
1:42 PM
> But I think a web-based real time chat system like Campfire could offer that informal public gathering third place -- a space for people who love the topic to meet, discuss, and collaborate in a different way. It would foster community, and be complementary to both strict Q&A;, and meta-discussion.
 
i am not against english..
i am against having non english. and speaking non english is much more fun. a third place for me
you cant discuss songs in english
 
So by allowing people coming here to avoid learning english, you're all doing them a disservice
 
i cant even quote lines of my own country songs or movies cause they are not english
people have fun posting black friday song
fuck that!
 
@Shubhank: It's not black / white.
 
SO chat is a professional environment for discussing stackexchange or programming
 
1:45 PM
@Shubhank Cool down.
 
nothing more then that
 
yeah i am cool.
but Magisch idea of having all professional is wrong since that is not how the chat site has been for years
they have more fun then discussion i guess.
its in the JS chat rules :/
 
In all honesty it doesnt help that an incident regarding indians started this discussion
 
didnt get that
 
because (no offense here) Indians in the entire business community and specifically among developers have a reputation of being bad at whatever their doing
 
1:46 PM
yeah that doesn't help @Magisch
 
lol
 
Some of my coworkers dont even look at answers when there is an indian sounding name underneath
or downvote anything that sounds remotely like indian on sight
 
there is a personal opinion
 
(no offense) offensive generalization is not really helpful here, now
@Magisch and that's a very bad course of action by them
 
That reality is bad doesnt make it not exist
 
1:47 PM
dismissing millions of people on the basis of a helpless useless subset is very bad for everyone involved
 
this discussion is poisoned by that
There is alot of instinctive side-vs-side thinking here
 
when people will start treating germans with downvotes. i guess Magisch will come back to real world
 
and its not helping
 
@Shubhank again, it's communication. I don't think Magisch endorses his coworkers' behaviour, but I agree he hasn't made this clear
 
I've been insulted based on nationality on the 'net more then I can count
Its not something that phases me anymore
to be clear: I dont dislike anyone based on nationality, because thats dumb and absurd
 
1:50 PM
so leaving aside that
and coming back to topic
 
One cannot deny that that sentiment exists in the community and is heavily affecting this discussion now
coming back to topic
 
chat was meant to support discussions
 
I think SE chat has been out of bounds for a while now
and needs to be refocused on programming and SE mechanic discussion only
 
it might be meant in strict sense when it was made
but we all know, everyone uses chat to socialize
you can say nein and i dont judge
same goes for me saying badiya.
thats what i want
 
I dont though
 
1:52 PM
giving a little space!
 
Im not talking german and I expect everyone else not to talk whatever their native language is
 
no, no Nein!
:P
 
unless its english
 
one user doesnt decide the second largest community base dont you think!
i am not forcing you to speak english.. and if i talk to you. i will speak english
 
nobody but the SE team here decides anything
You are always talking to me
SE chat is public
YOu are always talking to everyone
there is no such thing as a private conversation on this network
 
1:54 PM
who said about private stuff :/
 
You said you will speak english always when talking to me
great, that makes you always speak english then
 
i was going to complete the sentence lol
 
because there is no way for you to talk to anyone on this site in regular channels without also talking to me, and everyone else
 
a human scraping all chat and reading it is also unrealistic :p
 
sometimes I do during lunch breaks
when I need something to read while eating my lunch
 
1:56 PM
don't argue with him, Germans are odd:P
 
and reddit doesnt provide :p
 
you cant scrap and read thousands of chat messages that happen all over SE in a day
 
r/lookatmydog ftw
 
Its less then you think it is
anywhere outside chat.SE and chat.SO is quite inactive mostly
 
its easily 10 k messages in a day on SO
plus there is lounge, which you cant scrap. so yes not whole SO is public fyi
there are secret stuff going on
 
1:58 PM
Teachers lounge is a special case
and im sure they speak english there
 
why cant i be special case! :p
 
because in the context of SO, you and your entire room are unimportant
 
so is everyone
this whole world sucks..
 
Yea
Moderators aren't unimportant
and CMs arent either
thats why they get a little special treatment
 
lol
 
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