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6:00 PM
:P
 
I agree with our italic overlords
 
You
@idjaw Who's the italic? I say the bold!
 
I’m in italics
And I’m an overlord.
 
You
sudo overlord --unmake poke
 
@poke I thought that was davidism
 
You
6:03 PM
sudo overlord --make You
 
anyone in italic is an overlord here
 
> You is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
 
^^ HA! nicely done.
 
@poke *You twitches*
 
You
login root
******
 
6:04 PM
invalid username:P
sorry
 
I did not know that Apache Accumulo was developed by the NSA then open-sourced (re. the previous convo)
 
You
sudo apt-get python4
 
login: Cannot possibly work without effective root
 
You
python
> from __future__ import braces
> please
 
@AndrasDeak That's the whole thing about a third place, isn't it? Work, root and SO.
 
6:05 PM
Nobody wants braces
 
You
{{}_{}}
 
@RobertGrant you've lost me
 
You
It's so quiet now. :(
 
And Apache Nifi :o
 
Nifi was developed by the NSA too?
really?
 
6:11 PM
Yeah. GCHQ have also released some software on Github, though not under the Apache umbrella.
 
You
Context filled with peas. :(

What's Apache?
 
Google.
 
Maybe google knows
 
You
What's google?
Is it googol's twin?
 
ok dude
ha ha
 
6:13 PM
Truly hilarious.
 
Not really
 
You
googol = 10**100
 
"Not truly hilarious" is a fairly unnecessary comment
@Ffisegydd I'm steeling myself to refactor a load of d3+html code into pure d3
 
who commented not truly hilarious?
 
@RobertGrant Nice. I've just finished with the main project that involves D3.
 
You
6:15 PM
Not truly unhilarious.
 
Problem is, I've got no time to do it at work
 
Sounds like someone dropped the ball then.
I hope/assume it was not you.
 
It was me :)
 
You
It wasn't me.
 
There was a subsequent requirement to export a visualisation to PDF
The only way I can think to do that is svg->png in batik
 
6:17 PM
Ooof.
Why can't you just go svg->pdf?
 
You
Well, goodbye.
 
Which means the clever lining up of html table and svg visualisation was all for naught
Yeah could just go straight to PDF, sorry
 
Changing requirements isn't your fault though.
If they change, then they need to stump up the T+M to sort it.
Or accept that there will be reduced work elsewhere.
 
With agile, everything is my fault
5
 
Missing one small bit of info. What part of the agile process are you responsible for Robert?
 
6:19 PM
I did around 100 extra hours over Christmas getting the d3 stuff working in the first place. Don't think this will be any different :)
@idjaw writing code
 
-___-
Send your CV over, I'll refer you. Easy commute from Oxford into Glouc.
 
I know a guy in recruitment. Get you top of list, "Fool that's willing to work 100+ extra hours over Christmas" will be in the notes.
 
haha
 
DSM
Don't do it, RG! Once you start working overtime to hit unrealistic deadlines you're done for.
 
6:25 PM
^^truth
and cbg DSM
:)
 
I concur. I learn(t|ed) that during my phd.
 
Man, my CV looks rubbish
 
DSM
Fizzy's the CV expert now I think.
 
@RobertGrant when I decided to change jobs, it took me a solid two weeks to re-write my CV
 
Share the wealth then.
 
6:31 PM
it was so bad...
 
Though I think I've seen it before.
 
Yeah you have
 
I've learned my lesson and keep it up to date
 
I should update mine to reflect my internalFizzyCV actually.
 
DSM
I'm going to start revising mine in a few days; it's relatively current. I want there to be at least one day where I'm just not doing anything work-related.
 
6:32 PM
I want to re-write it to use please.hackmyresume.com as an experiment.
 
Can't wait for SO to buy them and offer it as a new CV view that doesn't replace any existing ones
 
I like the idea of storing your CV in JSON and then compiling to whatever you need.
 
@RobertGrant I don't mind sending you mine if you are looking for examples
 
I once refused to apply to a job because they wouldn't accept a CV in PDF, and instead wanted it in Word.
 
Cool yeah thanks
 
DSM
6:33 PM
Wise decision.
 
@Ffisegydd I learned that recruiters ask for word documents because they re-write it and send it in what they think will give you more of a chance at getting the interview.
 
Doesn't matter too much if you end up going through an agency - I once applied to a job and found in the interview that the agent had taken my F***ING BEAUTIFUL LATEX PDF CV and copied/pasted into Word, then messed up some of the info.
 
yep
exactly!
@RobertGrant was that "Cool yeah thanks" to me?
 
He actually removed my phone number/email so they couldn't contact me, and also accidentally broke my website url. They even brought it up during the interview "btw your website ff5yerglkdng.com isn't working"
 
# Recruitment extra money secret sauce code - TOP SECRET!
s/Python/Leadership/
@idjaw yes :)
 
DSM
6:36 PM
I use the modercv latex template. Works well enough, and forces me not to cram too much in.
 
Yeah same.
 
DSM
Think I might add JS to my second-tier languages category after the last while.
 
@RobertGrant I can't seem to find your email through your profile. You can get to mine. Send me an email and I'll reply back.
 
His email is fizzyfan8485@hotmail.co.uk
There were 8484 fizzy fans before him, but he's the only one I need.
 
I'm not the fan you need, but maybe I'm the fan you deserve right now.
 
6:42 PM
@RobertGrant sent. It is my most recent CV that got me my current job.
 
Thanks
 
I hate having to convert my latex reports/CV/anything to Word
but I have to all the time
 
You're very welcome
 
I'm actually pretty happy at work, but it never hurts to send out feelers
 
it's always a good idea to be fresh with the job hunt
 
DSM
6:42 PM
@idjaw: admit it. You were hired because people who look like Lego are the new hotness.
 
I walked in to the interview room, detached my arms, attached lego python arms and started hissing
6
 
the Van Gogh background doesn't hurt
 
Looks good - I'll take a close look. I like you currently working with / have worked with / want to work with thing
 
I got a comment on that in my interview
:) Thanks
 
That's a good one. Stolen.
The only problem with the JSONResume thing is having non-standard stuff like that.
 
DSM
6:46 PM
[insert xkcd one-more-standard comic]
 
I need to re-write mine from "Looking for first job after PhD" to the next stage.
 
DSM
"I used to be a physicist. Now I do data science, and I'm so good at my job they renamed the company after me."
 
No idea how to really describe what I do...
 
Data Strategy Leader
Expert Wielder Of Python
(That second one may get you strange job offers)
 
DSM
"D3 practitioner, Java enthusiast"
 
6:55 PM
Best kind of job offers.
"Come to the basement underneath the Horse and Crown to show us how you wield your Python. Come alone."
 
Stripper name: PyCharmer
3
 
anyone had problem with program freezing after screen goes off,and back on, then you give it a focus and it works?
 
No.
 
?
 
Excuse me?
 
7:09 PM
I mean, do you speak in the name of all, or in your name? :D
this sounds nicer
 
How would I speak in the name of everyone?
 
I think there was an attempt at a bad joke here. And if not...then give me warning before you unleash the wrath of Fizzy.
 
yeah
I'm not hilarious :D
lol
 
Yes.
 
DSM
Don't worry, Marko. We've had brilliant jokes here -- llanfair, anyone? -- that nobody liked because genius isn't appreciated in its own time.
 
7:14 PM
I'm not worried, but rather not understood :D
 
I do enjoy a good running joke. Your outrage is funnier than the original joke.
Though I must admit I never understood the original.
 
DSM
Okay, to be fair, I think that code is really only used for a placeholder.. seems like the OP is asking for a GAE deployment tutorial of some kind.
 
I count like 6 questions in that question
 
I suspect I don't understand it because I know how Llanfair is pronounced and understand that the fair is pronounced "vie-ah"
 
7:18 PM
@DSM Fair point. :)
 
outrage = imberessment (or something pronounced like that) ?
 
embarrassment
But it doesn't mean outrage.
 
Outrage is more anger.
 
then google translate doesn't translate that word to my language correctly :D
 
a wild Morgan appears
 
7:23 PM
Ah, I see now
 
@idjaw Yup, still recovering from last night. My brother and his GF came down for dinner and drinks.
 
awesome!
 
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. His GF kept saying she wants us all to go to Montreal this summer, which I am definitely in favor of, so there's a chance I'll be in your neck of the woods at some point this summer.
 
Hey, my first publication has made it to xplore! ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=7439326 \o/
 
7:26 PM
@Morgan'Venti'Thrappuccino dude if you do let me know! That would be awesome
@BhargavRao Congratulations. That is really awesome.
 
Thanks guys!
 
Nice dude. I've been working with ontologies and semantic reasoning a bit myself lately.
 
@idjaw Yeah, definitely. I'd love to get a drink if it all works out.
 
totally! I'll have to make sure I find a good cocktail bar considering your ridiculous skills at them :P
 
Perhaps this room knew the project in all it's stages.
From inception till publication ... :)
 
7:29 PM
Hahaha, I don't know about that. :P I'm always down to go to a good cocktail bar, though.
 
I can put together a solid dinner/drinks night :)
would be cool if that happened
 
Yeah, totally.
 
@Ffisegydd Ty, Thinking of doing analytics over the curated dataset. If we get good results, we might try for ISWC Sem Challenge
 
I'm looking at the menu for L'Gros Lux right now, because I'd heard them recommended.
 
I've never been there actually. I do have to say that you should really try to go to Joe Beef if you go to Montreal
it made the list of top 100 in the world theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/food-trends/…
it is a ridiculously good restaurant
 
7:33 PM
Mmmm, it looks awesome.
> Duck steak au poivre
 
also, not many know this, but sharing the same kitchen is another restaurant called Liverpool House which is just as good and easier to get a reservation to
 
UM, YUP!
Oh, nice.
 
And across the street from that restaurant is a pub called The Burgundy Lion that has a very impressive Whiskey menu. And they have Whiskey tastings every couple months
that neighbourhood is awesome
 
Any bar website that has a dedicated whisky section is alright with me.
 
They hold Burns night every year...It's where I get my haggis fix :)
 
7:35 PM
That whisky list is terrifying. In the best way.
 
I know.....eh?
 
DSM
sopyconférence 2016!
 
The only issue with going there would be that I would never leave.
 
That's cool man. We like American ex-pats :)
 
7:39 PM
Plus we should get used to seeing a surge of Americans coming in to Canada soon. :P
 
I'd like to visit Canada some day.
I knew a guy that did a train across Canada, he did it over 30 days.
Plus part of my family from ancient times (great-grandparents) were from Winnipeg.
 
Usually it is the other way around
people from Canada say that in ancient times they are from your neck of the woods
funny
 
Ancienter times yes.
 
north for the summer, south for the winter - sometimes I think the people just follow the ducks and geese
 
I know a few people who do that. A few jobs ago, my boss's dad took his RV to Florida for 6 months
 
7:42 PM
For some reason I always confuse the wrong side of Canada to be more French speaking
 
DSM
#plainsofabraham
 
also congrats @BhargavRao it looks like an interesting article
 
From a while ago: I also did some stuff with RDF
Apache Jena?
Something like that
 
It always amuses me (and it shouldn't surprise me really) when I see names in NA that are from the UK.
 
@idjaw I'm in Southern Florida so my neck of the woods is thick with you Canadians right now ;)
 
7:46 PM
absolutely! :)
 
"I've been to the real Birmingham, and let me tell you, it's worse."
 
@JGreenwell Thanks
 
@JGreenwell Funny enough. Every year around Christmas the Florida Panthers and Tampa Bay Lightning host back-to-back games against the habs because of the amount of Quebec people in Florida
they make a ton of money on those games, because most if not all Quebec people there will go to the games
 
yep, I go to the Tampa bay one when I can
 
ha! awesome
Are you a hockey fan?
 
7:47 PM
its only an hour and a half or so away
 
DSM
Lucky! You probably have more reasonable ticket prices, too. :-(
 
It's funny how certain parts of the world have different criteria about what is far. For us in Montreal, that is way too far.
 
NA roads are too straight. It's almost off-putting.
google.co.uk/maps/@49.9031974,-97.0992624,8.98z those roads are unnaturally straight.
 
@DSM Totally. We have the worst hockey teams for prices. The gouging is ridiculous
 
Hockey is violent
 
7:48 PM
^^Yup. It is. Can't disagree with that
 
Roads are squigglier in the UK because they were originally put down by the Romans and they were too lazy to dig through hills.
 
Yesterday in my game I got tomahawk sliced on the foot because someone got annoyed I skated too fast by them
 
@idjaw I like soccer (football) the most but I'll watch hockey. Plus, the games are fun (or funny) live cause I get to see Canadians switch from the most polite people on the planet to monsters
then back to super polite after
 
@Ffisegydd You think that's bad, you should see NYC or LA.
 
@JGreenwell I love soccer as well. Do you follow mainly MLS? Or also European leagues?
 
7:49 PM
It's all a grid.
 
@Ffisegydd I think they were too lazy to whip us while we dug through hills
 
Yeah I've seen NYC laid out before now.
 
DSM
I like most roads to be straight but the main ones to be curvy or spokelike, just for variety.
 
Just weird.
 
Real Madrid and/or Arsenal
 
:)
I'm an Arsenal fan, myself.
But I support Barcelona for the Spanish league
 
@Ffisegydd How does anyone find anything?
 
looks like a bunch of snakes
wait a minute.......
 
oh, you must have been hurting yesterday :P ;)
 
ugh.... :P
 
7:52 PM
@idjaw England is Python! Half Life 3 confirmed!
 
haha
 
How do you gentlemen feel about Leicester then? Think it'll happen?
 
@Ffisegydd I was (still kinda am) surprised with what Leicester did this season. I actually hope they do it.
 
(Zoom for one level of fractal dullness)
 
7:54 PM
@Robert you can tell it wasn't there until the 60s.
 
Plus at this rate, better than Tottenham doing it :)
 
our roads are never boring, you always go left, right, left, right to bypass the holes in the road
but still our people don't mind driving 100 km/h because most of us are not normal :D
 
We don't allow right on red in Montreal
Because drivers here are insane
 
right on red?
 
I'm looking at that bar you recommended, idjaw. I would love to get to the point where this fits into my lifestyle.
> PORT ELLEN 30 YR RARE CASK 114.00
 
8:00 PM
i know, there is some delay?
 
Right on red?
 
yeah, sorry...realized not a lot of people would know what that means. When a traffic light is red, in many places you can actually still turn right if it is safe. In Montreal it is against the law
 
Yeah, you can do that in a lot of the US.
 
What. That's mental.
 
8:01 PM
ah, now I get it
 
DSM
Spontaneous symmetry breaking.
 
@Morgan'Venti'Thrappuccino Oh yeah. I have yet to spend more than 25$ on a whiskey at a bar.
 
Surely that defeats the point of a traffic light?
 
In my city there is one semaphore, and it is not working
 
Is this a US thing then?
 
8:02 PM
I'm so proud of my city
 
@idjaw $15 is about what I've spent so far, but there are a couple on that list that would get me to break that limit.
@Ffisegydd It's for when there's no traffic coming. That way you don't have to just sit there for minutes on end.
 
@Morgan'Venti'Thrappuccino yeah you have to be really careful when ordering whiskey's. Luckily a lot of waiters/waitresses warn you if you happen to pick something really expensive
 
How do you know there's not traffic coming from the left for example though? Say at a crossroads?
 
you use your judgement....which is why I'm glad this does not exist in Montreal
because drivers are crazy here
 
DSM
You look, basically. It works very well in practice.
 
8:04 PM
@Ffisegydd It's usually only allowed in places where you can see far enough down the road where you can tell.
Eg, not in cities.
 
We have one set of rules here, not one for the normal people and one for the city boys.
 
And not on roads that are going above ~45mph (at least around here).
 
Seems far too complicated for me, not saying that I couldn't handle it but I wouldn't want to trust others. One of the most important lessons I learnt was to assume that every other driver is an idiot.
 
that's what I do
 
8:06 PM
my wife gets annoyed when I give a quick honk when I feel like someone can do something stupid. But I don't take chances
 
You should probably be paying attention to the road, not your wife.
 
That's why we have two cars now
:D
 
@Ffisegydd Are you married? ;)
 
cbg @JRich, Didn't see ya earlier ... (got my first publ up in xplore chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/29729528#29729528 not the Bloom's one another)
 
And Sunday evening greetings, from the depths of despond that is "trying to get ahead" by checking emails on Sunday night
 
8:15 PM
@JRichardSnape I'm married to D3.js.
 
Of course, I forgot.
I guess it's similar - asynchronous downloading of more or less relevant data for one to show vague interest in.
With occassional - oo that's pretty
 
Frequent tantrums.
Causes drinking.
 
It's all sounding very familiar
 
You
Hello again.
 
Hello @you
 
You
8:18 PM
potato
 
@Morgan'Venti'Thrappuccino we have "right on red" on 55 mph roads here
 
@BhargavRao Nice work - well done indeed.
@You I forget - is that you swearing at me?
:D
 
also u-turns are always legal unless otherwise posted <-- that's the nutso one
 
You
@JRichardSnape No. It's "How are you?"
 
@JRichardSnape Thanks
 
8:20 PM
Wow - U-turns at will. George Osborne would like it there.
 
You
@JRichardSnape sopython.com/salad
 
#political
 
@You I was only teasing. I'm well, thanks!
 
Our roads also allow U-turns unless otherwise specified
 
You
Elephants are delicious.
 
8:21 PM
@Ffisegydd That's me - always finding the sophisticated angle... (although my pipe remains confidential)
 
I've got a drone outside your window - you don't even have a pipe!
 
OUTED!
 
Traffic laws are weird in the US and vary a lot by state (even some variance among Highway which one would expect to be Federally regulated) - for instance ask someone from Missouri about 70 mph limits in areas where people drive at 45 mph.
 
You
@JGreenwell I walk everywhere lol.
 
The above looks like a stopped car when your going 75....and getting pasted by the local populace which drive at about 90 mph
 
8:23 PM
@BhargavRao I hope this is not impertinent, and almost certainly conveys a lack of education my part, but I was wondering last time and this time my curiosity has got the better of me - what does H S refer to in "Bhargav H S"?
 
shocked, almost disgusted
 
@Ffisegydd I'm surprised at the year they are having, I was expecting more but I haven't really been able to follow it to see why due to studies and work this season
 
You
Goodbye
 
@Ffisegydd What - at my lack of education? I'd have thought I'd been around here long enough for that to have lost its shock value.
 
Wonders never cease.
You'll be asking what DSM stands for next (it's Data Science Master FYI)
 
8:27 PM
@JRichardSnape H <- My great grand dads native place, (family shifted to Bangalore 95 yrs ago). S <- My dad's name. H S Bhargav <- My official name. Rao <- My family surname (missing only in me; as the birth certificate form was filled by the docs there) .. H S Bhargav Rao is my actual name
 
I long since worked out what DSM stood for ;)
 
I have just discovered that an if-statement can be used as an expression in binding a variable. Example: a = 5 if 3 > 4 else 6
 
@Byte also with returns
 
What are the syntax rules for this?
They don't seem to require indentation, just spaces.
 
x if bool_test else y
 
8:29 PM
@BhargavRao Ah - got it - ta. I'm always fascinated by the different naming conventions - it's often an aid for me to be aware of them so as not to cause accidental offence.
 
@Byte neither do ifs
if 3>4: return 5
 
indentation only becomes important when you have a block that is on a new line from the if/for/while/etc
 
@JRichardSnape the obvious way to avoid accidental offence is not talking to people, duh
 
can elif be used on the same line as such?
 
seriously, how broken can a language be?1
 
8:30 PM
print statements.
 
I remember a long time ago I wanted to learn PHP instead of C.
 
@AnttiHaapala +1 for starting it as "(Broken as designed)"
 
@AnttiHaapala You have sullied yourself by answering there ;)
 
This was before I knew anything about computer science.
 
I first had "brain damaged"
 
8:31 PM
:D
 
He sullied himself by having to go potty in the bed due to the operation.
 
but decided it was an insult to people with brain injury
that question had a Python tag :d
 
I think you did well to change that. For that very reason.
 
:D
 
@AndrasDeak Is there any practical use to using a return-statement on the same line as the if-statement?
 
8:34 PM
laziness? maybe that there is a single return statement, so the program flow is clear
having multiple returns in code might become confusing
especially if you're doing it wrong
especially especially if you leave out some corresponding "else" statements "since the code won't get here otherwise anyway"
 
Can be nice to have an if return line as the first one in a recursive function, as the guard.
 
@idjaw Hehe, except I was mostly not online today ;-P Thanks!
 
:)
 
Late happy birthday Martijn
 
@JGreenwell thanks!
 
DSM
8:41 PM
Sudden snowstorm! April snowflakes bring May something something.
 
@AndrasDeak Oh, I thought there was some esoteric usage of that syntax, haha
Thanks everyone.
 
@AndrasDeak I must remember that - i keep forgetting and trying that social contact thing.
Anyway - time to head home, I think. Evenin' all.
 
rbrb J.Richard
 
rbrb Prof
 
April snowflakes brought May doctor's bills and auto repair costs when I lived in IL
also whispers of the world ending and other such
 
8:48 PM
@JRichardSnape night
 
9:10 PM
@poke I think the merging is meant to add up the values, not merge merge the dicts
...or something, rather confusing post
 
if i have
x=4
y=3
how would i get
dict["x:y"]
for this it says invalid sintax : map_dict["%s:%s"%(x+1,y)]
 
9:31 PM
well this is nice for a change.
I wasn't going to answer any questions today. It seems I hit the repcap anyway.
 
rhubarb all, time to sleep
 
9:43 PM
I found what was wrong :)
good night all
 
9:57 PM
I'm 60 away from repcap and doesn't look like that will happen today for me.
 

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