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8:01 PM
@gunr2171 Bad winter? Here, it's got to be the warmest I know of.
 
more like "weird winter". Friday we had 5 inches of snow. Over the weekend we were above 40 deg (F) so all the snow melted, and today it snows again.
 
@Drew I don't have greasemonkey installed, but I can install it.
Thanks for the link @TinyGiant
 
8:15 PM
out of CVs for today
 
Hiya @Reimeus o/
 
@BillWoodger I have all the cobol questions up here . There is not a lot going on there.
 
Bonsoir @Tunaki
 
Oh. Bonsoir :)
 
:)
so what needs closing?
 
8:28 PM
So like I was saying, in this room we try to group our efforts to clean and close off-topic questions. You can read all about it in the FAQ.
 
wow, we're getting a lot of new recruits
 
Yep
 
@Drew We have a new Java recruit :)
 
new recruit = good
 
k, that's something that Ive being doing anyway
^been
 
8:29 PM
@Tunaki I am going to go do a batch then back to
 
Oh Maven, nice
 
Where is the Gradle love?
 
@cricket_007 Meh. It's Maven little brother :)
 
I know. I kinda wish Gradle would take off because in my mind it's like the switch from XML to JSON
 
Hi @Drew, I will help out is everything in the hive.
 
8:32 PM
@Reimeus So yeah the goal here is to cut down the Close Vote Queue. We have several process going on (a few bots to help with that) but mainly, we are of the idea that closing questions is much more effective when it's done collectively
 
@PetterFriberg ask @BillWoodger if we should close those 3 or so at the top of cobol otherwise skip cobol. So anything you see, sure.
 
Our dear @Drew here also prepares worksheets with a list of questions in specific tags where CV are about to expire (so they need immediate attention)
 
plus cv4 and ice it
 
Hi @Reimeus nice to see new people....
 
Hi @PetterFriberg
 
8:38 PM
@Drew I hit java batch 43... or do @Reimeus like to review it : )
 
@AlexanderO'Mara didn't you vote to close it also?
do you want to switch dupes?
 
@Tunaki Yes, it was much less clear before.
 
@PetterFriberg can you send me the link?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara really worth it? :)
 
@Tunaki I haven't found a dupe target for it yet.
 
8:39 PM
@Drew is the organizer... I'm merely a bee...
 
ah @Reimeus, i see your close votes on java a lot, very good :)
 
@user1803551 lol
 
the more i see someone's name in the close message, the more i appriciate them :P
 
@BhargavRao I don't think so, user has posted another answer. VLQ IMO
 
8:42 PM
@Tunaki Sigh, The user's other answer was inb4 we could spam :D
 
Protected the question nonetheless.
@BhargavRao I'm out of flags. It's all yours.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara reopened after having a look. Ping back if it's a wrong decision.
@Tunaki Flagged. I still have lots of flags :P
 
Good :)
 
Didn't flag those which you had left a comment BTW
 
Awesome. Yeah, keeping flags for the rest
 
8:45 PM
Yep. Have 55 or so left..
Anyway, in just for a moment.
Bye o/
 
Bye o/
@Reimeus This is where Drew places his worksheet, sorted by main languages. I'll go through Java in a bit but if you want you can take a look.
 
yeah Petter can clue you in too. Some are cleared. I am creating new ones
 
JAL
Question: It looks like a user posted an answer to this question that [I think] is almost identical to mine. Do I comment? Flag? Do you guys think that his answer is identical to mine?
 
@Tunaki l@@king...
 
8:51 PM
@user1803551 Downvoted, close-voted, rejected edit and commented. What more can I do? :)
 
@PetterFriberg dialog with @Reimeus as to where it is all at status wise
 
@Tunaki it's just that the title got me. the rest is almost OK
 
does anyone ever look at [Spring]?
 
@Drew i looked at the list of files and saw "12k", wasn't sure if it's the size of the file or number of questions
 
Not that tag in particular but we can focus on it also.
 
8:53 PM
talk to Petter please I am out of pocket putting a batch together
he is also over in the campaigns room
afk
 
@PetterFriberg the top three (latest) questions in COBOL are all for closing. Two with multi-typos, one is just asking "what's this piece of text" which some unknown local precompiler is going to change
 
I have cv-ed those cobol question from the CVQ
 
@user1803551 - beat ya to it
 
@BillWoodger ok I will review it
 
8:58 PM
went thru java-batch
 
@cricket_007 4 seconds... it's because i format properly
 
@PetterFriberg thanks, this as well: stackoverflow.com/questions/34748435/…
 
I usually type, then edit and format @user1803551
 
@BillWoodger hmm, no cv on that... are you sure I'm not wasting it..
 
ok need to drop out, closed a few on java-batch list, back l8r...
 
9:01 PM
Cya o/
 
Sam
Cya o/
 
Cya o/
 
@Reimeus Drew is behind his norad control center, querying stack overflow on different tag (for jail breaking, Cv4) and also on low traffic tags, if you are interested for us to review a special tag just drop in and tell us...
 
@petter Well, it's an older one. Mine is probably aged-off by now, or rejected I suppose. Difficult getting five votes on these. No problem if you can't do it, I think it's impossible for anyone to answer (famous last words)@
 
@Reimeus Cya later..
@BillWoodger I will do the jail breaker first... I don't want mine to age away aswell...
 
9:03 PM
@PetterFriberg OK. Thanks for looking
 
Sam
Random contemporary classical of the day, Second Class Citizen.
 
@BillWoodger I have reviewed the cobal excel and reviewed question with atleast 1 cv
 
cobal, nice
@Sam Oooh I'm listening. It starts really good.
 
Sam
Yeah, it's pretty nice.
 
I'm sure this has been used in a movie. Has to be.
 
9:10 PM
There are TONS of that stuff, a lot of it sounds the same.
 
Sam
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
and it's not "contemporary classical"
 
@user1803551 What do you listen to?
 
contemporary classical
 
lol
Ah so point us to a Youtube of your very fine selection :)
 
Sam
9:12 PM
@user1803551 So what would you label it as then?
 
@Sam "general crap"
(jk)
and i would cv-pls it if i could
 
Sam
...
 
nice label.
 
Sam
We use that label quite often actually.
 
i'm actually not sure what that genre is called, but i'll look around
 
9:14 PM
Anyway, I'll keep listening to that and let YouTube choose the next one, I like it a lot actually :D
 
maybe you'll like this
 
@PetterFriberg in hive
 
\o/ Maven is the best tag of them all.
 
Hit em Tunaki...
 
Oh I'm a Pundit on MSO!
 
9:18 PM
this is a question about whether some part of a Python installation is secure in terms of letting a cloud see your folder-tree (I don't really understand it), is SO the place for this?
 
Later guys
 
Sam
Cya
 
@Adriaan It's pretty unclear at the moment, at least for me.
@Sam Yeah
 
@Tunaki to me too, but I'm not sure whether that's because I know neither Python, nor anything about cloud servers, or that it's actually vague
 
@Adriaan Same :D
 
9:20 PM
@Sam it's some sort of ambient music
 
Sam
Right. But it's still gravitating towards something with a classical touch though.
 
i wouldn't say so. it lacks a lot in melodic, rhythmic, or harmonic characteristics of classical music :/
 
@user1803551 What about that one? youtube.com/watch?v=Ec2mQCQI4RY
 
i mean, you can say that it sounds classical in respect to everything ese written in the last 60 years, but...
 
Sam
@Tunaki I was just about to link that!
Ninja'd even on YT.
 
9:24 PM
lol
 
drone ambient? i'm not strong in all these popular styles.
 
user3956566
bunch of duplicates 1 2 3 target
 
user3956566
they all have the same answer
 
it's repeating the same 4 chords the whole time
 
where is @Braiam
 
user3956566
9:27 PM
@Tunaki ^^ eclipse dupes
 
@MsYvette I can vote but I can't hammer
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yeh I just went to your profile and saw that :D
 
user3956566
soz
 
@user1803551 - Did you say 4 chords? youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ
 
be careful with these dupes for eclipse because over the years many versions came out and things might have vhanged
 
9:30 PM
The target is the most up-todate and already contains the info in the other answers
 
@Tunaki i believe you, i just skimmed through and gave a compiler warning :P
 
user3956566
they all suggest the same plugins
 
voted on all 3, hammered 1 of them.
@user1803551 :)
 
@cricket_007 yeah, i saw that one and a few more of the sort. it's no consequence, it's true that more than 80% (read: "eighty modulu") of the popular music is written with 4 or less chords :(
 
user3956566
@Tunaki nice thanks
 
user3956566
9:33 PM
I am out of votes, but will vote later today
 
user3956566
I'm sure there's more, but those are the ones I landed on in the first search
 
@Drew ?
 
@braiam do we leave this thing alone?
 
Oh god it has 4 CV.
 
If you're on it maybe get off it. What do I know
 
Sam
9:39 PM
@Drew ಠ_ಠ
 
can't vtc a Q with a bounty... even if it has close votes already
 
sd remove- too broad.
 
there may be an easy cv4 up here if someone wants it. Like count=15
 
@Tunaki here is the thing with those . They are the most recent 6100 of 39k questions in the system. That is where the action is if anyone is cv unless someone is fishing. If we want to close them, now is the time on the lower cv count ones (in the hive)
 
9:43 PM
@Drew Out of votes. Had already voted on #6. The next one can start at #9 included.
 
at least 1-5 are closed by tunaki's votes
 
@tuna are you talking or
 
@Drew I hope some are not breaking free tonight
Talking java.
 
what would be stellar is Aussie Java guys. We need a nite crew.
 
I need a Maven gold badge.
 
9:45 PM
@Drew night with respect to what timezone?
 
He means we need a blanket (covering) of timezones in here
 
^
 
i know 2 aussie guys on the java swing regulars
maybe they are interested
 
Which close reason seems most appropriate? stackoverflow.com/questions/35279983/…
 
@AlexanderO'Mara i would go for unclear
 
9:49 PM
Fair enough.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara superuser maybe?
 
tbh, i don't think it matters which one :P
 
It's tough to decide on a close readon when 5 or more seem appropriate.
 
@Tunaki - Don't be so harsh on the guy
 
@Drew is there good enough elements to convince a moderator to invalidate the bounty and close the question?
 
9:52 PM
@cricket_007 It packs everything you can do wrong in 5 lines of code. Okay will edit a little
 
@Braiam I was just seeking some veteran scholar advice and I knew you'd know. I know nothing basically on the matter.
 
can we help stackoverflow.com/questions/35275420/… get ready for migration to Codereview?
 
Sam
As Closey (and Nor) are currently out of action - and will remain so for a while - here is a link to the SEDE query used to fetch the tags during CV events.
 
@user1803551 Not really suited for CR at the moment.
 
@Tunaki - what about Character.isAlphabetic?
 
9:57 PM
@cricket_007 Well it still lets 0-9 go through.
among probably other weird characters.
@cricket_007 The OTHER_LETTER in the docs is not really descriptive but some weird thing can happen :)
 
Is my quotation from the SOCVR ok? I'm asking because the last time I quoted this room I was told that the quote wasn't such a good idea.
 
@Tunaki - Hows my answer on that post look? stackoverflow.com/a/35280159/2308683
 
Sam
@cybermonkey I don't see anything wrong.
 
@cricket_007 I would explain a little the - 'A' + 1 trick and maybe also talk about how to get the user input
 
@Tunaki - Done. He didn't really ask "how to get user input", he just said input
 
10:03 PM
maybe throw in a comment about how to validate the input also (but that's because I like to talk a lot in my answer)
 
@Reimeus if you need anything from me like a short batch let me know, also how many votes you have left
because I am about to leave the java tag for another
 
@cricket_007 I edited the Q a bit to make it look nicer.
 
@Tunaki - Good work, team
 
There really needs to be a system to discourage answers instead of closing as duplicate... stackoverflow.com/a/35280158/3155639
 
@AlexanderO'Mara When 65kers don't moderate, this is what happens.
 
10:12 PM
where is that cv-pls userscript? Well anyways, general computing question: stackoverflow.com/q/35279962/792066 how to install mono on debian without internet?
 
it is weird to expect that a github link opens in another tab when I click on them in chat?
 
Don't all links open in a new tab?
 
:P @Tunaki @cricket_007 i took my own shot at the question
 
Sam
All links in chat open in a new tab.
 
10:15 PM
not Tiny's
 
@user1803551 - Stealing my thunder :P
 
Sam
@Braiam ... does for me.
Weird
 
@user1803551 - What about input.charAt(0)?
 
user4639281
@Braiam opens in a new tab for me.
 
@cricket_007 that ^ yep.
 
10:18 PM
yeah, that also works, well done
 
an userscript is doing it...
 
@user1803551 Oh and toLowerCase() can give you the weirdest result of all. It depends on the locale so Turkish user might have a problem (for example). See also: stackoverflow.com/questions/10336730/…
 
user4639281
@Braiam what's it doing?
 
cool, it's greasymonkey itself, not any script :/
 
@user1803551 And since you're matching against [a-zA-Z] then lowercasing it, might as well lowercase it before and only check against [a-z].
 
10:20 PM
@Tunaki but then i won't print the right character
only lowercases
 
Ah yes.
side-note also: using a pre-compiled Pattern is better for performance.
 
and yeah, i remember now all the automatic string modification methods have caveats with locales
 
anyone using grasemonkey on firefox?
 
definately, but the loop isn't really there in the real code
 
true
 
10:22 PM
that one i said in the answer
but i need to circumvent the locale issue
 
I usually use Locale.ROOT, but ENGLISH does it also.
 
skype is cool on windows. Call comes in, pauses the music, then later resumes.
I don't think Linux can do that
 
shots fired
 
half the time it blue screens admittedly
 
@Drew it can... just use dbus' .PlayPause() method
 
user4639281
10:24 PM
@Drew Linux does that.
 
user4639281
Depending on the desktop environment, I know that Gnome does.
 
oh my , the javadoc for toLowerCase made me hungry
 
Damn turks he
lol
 
@Tunaki I have done what I could on your tag... unfortunately all I could not understand.
 
user4639281
Sometimes, I get pedantic:
 
user4639281
10:25 PM
For the sake of argument alone, I'll take your tactic and say that no: subtract and subtraction are not identical. Subtraction is too universal. It doesn't fit enough of the actual subtract questions. — Tiny Giant 25 mins ago
 
@Tunaki it's the French Fries
 
@TinyGiant Don't know why you guys are arguing when clearly both tags should burn IMO.
 
user4639281
Just synonymize all those mathematical operation tags to the math tag and call it done.
 
So then we can burn math?
 
when I asked if we need tags for math functions the general sentiments was that: we are not on math.se
 
user4639281
10:30 PM
@Tunaki math doesn't need to burn.
 
@Drew have a good few votes still to use
 
@TinyGiant Can you post an on-topic question only tagged math? Can we have math experts answering questions in SO?
 
user4639281
If it is a question about math in a programming language, then why not have the language tag and the math tag.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki There are plenty of perfectly useful tags on the site that cannot be the only tag on a question.
 
10:32 PM
here's a suggestion, say for posts for add Java tag to allow to close unilaterally... :)
 
user4639281
@Tunaki We have plenty of math experts on SO, just check out the tag
 
@Reimeus I like the way you think hammerer :)
 
user4639281
Except if you add the tag, you cannot hammer it.
 
> These are tags that don't say anything by themselves - you can't tell what the question is about unless they're paired with some other tag (or several of them). These tags are a problem because people don't realize this and will often use that as the question's only tag.
 
math is border-line. There 20K questions I guess better leave it alone anyway.
It seems widely misused though.
 
user4639281
10:34 PM
@Braiam I disagree with that whole-heartedly.
 
@TinyGiant well, its on the blog, as general guidance
 
lol I love those comments to kill the grace period.
 
Sam
ikr
 
user4639281
@Braiam Cause the powers that be on a community site always represent community consensus right?
 
user4639281
is useless by itself.
 
10:36 PM
It's still there by the way, sitting at -10.
 
6
A: What is the point of generic, language-agnostic tags about basic programming concepts?

Braiam What is the point of generic, language-agnostic tags about basic programming concepts? Once upon a time, the only questions on Stack Overflow were concrete programming problems, where the only relevant information that could categorize knowledge was the language you were using. But suddenly,...

 
^ one-box.
 
Sam
dun dun dunnnnn
 
@Reimeus @PetterFriberg batch49 is up there cv3
 
Sam
@Tunaki On-topic one-boxes are fine.
 
10:38 PM
-11 now but still there
gone :)
 
> http:\//stackoverflow.com/**questions/tagged/once**
 
user4639281
@Braiam I wholeheartedly disagree that tags need to be able to stand on their own.
 
@TinyGiant again, read the blog, it makes sense
 
user4639281
I read it, completely disagree.
 
user4639281
If we're going to get rid of any tags that could possibly be misused by new users, we're going to get rid of all of the tags.
 
10:47 PM
well, then what you want is to change what the fundamental purpose of tags are, and that will require a meta post
 
@Drew, @Reimeus I have stung most of them (but now 0CV), many deserve a final push
 
user4639281
How many times has a javascript question been tagged with java? Should we then burn the java tag?
 
otherwise, my position will be backed
 
Bed time, cya all...
 
@TinyGiant are you stretching my argument to another unrelated thing?
where I said that?
 
user4639281
10:48 PM
@Braiam I don't see it as changing the fundamental purpose of tags, because that is not the fundamental purpose of tags at all. The fundamental purpose of tags is to classify questions.
 
user4639281
> These tags are a problem because people don't realize this and will often use that as the question's only tag.
 
@TinyGiant Users tagging Java instead of Javascript isn't misusing the tag
The users are simply unaware that Java and JavaScript are two completely differnet thing that don't even remotely intersect.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki It is definitely a misuse of the java tag to tag a javascript question with the java tag.
 
@TinyGiant ... "into specific, well-defined categories. "
 
10:49 PM
is on the help center
 
user4639281
@Braiam math is a specific well defined category.
 
@TinyGiant What sort of question would you put in that category?
 
that are also on topic
 
Sam
@user1803551 I smell a synonym req.
 
user4639281
10:50 PM
@Tunaki Any question that has to do with math in a given language.
 
So does every question about i++ needs to be tagged math?
 
i was surprised this even happened, because the wiki is copy-paste, so whoever did it must have understood that it's the same thing
 
Sam
@PetterFriberg Night!
 
user4639281
@Braiam So every tag that can contain off-topic questions should be removed? Again, we would be removing all of the tags on the site.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki If the problem being faced is a math problem, why not use the math tag?
 
user4639281
10:51 PM
938
Q: Is floating point math broken?

Cato Johnston0.1 + 0.2 == 0.3 -> false 0.1 + 0.2 -> 0.30000000000000004 Any ideas why this happens?

 
@TinyGiant no... no
 
that's floating point arithmetics
 
^ that Q shouldn't be tagged math.
Because as far as math is concerned, 0.1 + 0.2 = 0.3.
 
user4639281
@Braiam Then showing me that a tag can contain off-topic questions proves nothing.
 
user4639281
@user1803551 is arithmetic not math?
 
10:53 PM
I'm tired of having this discussion without solid arguments, when you have a argument backed by the help center, the blog or any meta post, talk with me, otherwise you cannot change my views
 
user4639281
@Tunaki it's math, in the context of computers.
 
user4639281
@Braiam Likewise, you cannot change my views by misrepresenting the help center, or quoting a blog post that doesn't necessarily represent the community consensus.
 
@TinyGiant not for the processor :)
 
@Tunaki write my game gimme hte gamez stackoverflow.com/q/35264941
 
Where is the community consensus?
2
@Drew Out of votes...
 
user4639281
10:54 PM
There is none, that is why these tags still exist.
 
ik
 
@TinyGiant So maybe a Meta is in order then?
 
user4639281
@Tunaki It has been discussed on meta before, and no consensus has been found.
 
user4639281
The consensus is that there is no consensus
 
I guess there is no point in arguing further then :)
 
user4639281
10:56 PM
Nope, there is not.
 
and now, the silence treatment
 
Oh we love arguments around here :D
 
user4639281
@user1803551 Sure, we argue all the time
 
no you don't
 
10:58 PM
@TinyGiant no we dont :P
 
user4639281
@Reimeus Sure we do :P
 
@TinyGiant no no no, nonsense
 
@TinyGiant Just for the sake of argument, no we don't. No wait, we do.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Arguments FTW!
 

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