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12:05 AM
@cybermonkey IMO, cc@string doesn't ping anyone, no?
cc@tiny
ok, it does... wtf?
 
@Braiam yeah, it does
 
@TinyGiant it's on a programing context? (API, ABI, parsing, whatever)
> I'm busy trying to properly set a commandline argument for a Windows gameserver running on Linux via Wine
*mindblow*
 
12:42 AM
Any active burnination requests that I should be paying attention to?
 
user4639281
1:06 AM
@Braiam Pinged me
 
user4639281
@Braiam Nah, google search
 
user4639281
@KevinBrown Not at the moment, but the next on the list are and
 
1:24 AM
guess I wasn't paying attention to the Q a few days ago. Guy pinged me in an Answer. I must have been asleep
 
Sam
@TinyGiant Use current session stats instead. Not that it'll be useful now...
 
user4639281
Ahhhh
 
user4639281
I just looked at this as inspired by this (I commented on the answer before, but never looked at the script). It seems like someone doesn't know about Magic.
 
Sam
@KevinBrown
 
@TinyGiant What are the meta posts for those?
 
user4639281
1:34 AM
@KevinBrown I haven't made 'em yet
 
Also, is gone
 
user4639281
Oh nice
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
Posts being watched: 583.
 
user4639281
Wow
 
user4639281
1:35 AM
So is check grave gone now?
 
Sam
Yeah
 
user4639281
What do we use instead?
 
Found the request for coding-style, hasn't hit the threshold yet
 
Sam
We get so little activity that I decided to just auto report posts as and when they meet our criteria.
 
user4639281
1 year ago
 
user4639281
1:37 AM
@Sam Ahhh k
 
user4639281
@KevinBrown Maybe it needs an edit.
 
user4639281
> Is [coding-style] out of style?
 
Sam
@TinyGiant For example:
9 hours ago, by Yam
A cv-p​ls'ed question has been edited (79% changed).
 
user4639281
Hey look at that, it's open now
 
user4639281
No one felt like upvoting it though...
 
Sam
1:39 AM
Lol
 
user4639281
The first comment is the answer though.
 
Sam
Oh, and I moved the vote data to the Q's link's tooltip.
 
user4639281
Oh awesome
 
user4639281
1:57 AM
@Sam answered :P
 
@TinyGiant Agreed, at the very least it also needs to be tagged given the scale of it
 
user4639281
@KevinBrown Yeah, and some more information about the tag, as is expected.
 
user3956566
2:13 AM
I think the one box guidelines are unclear and need to be made clear and consistent, maybe only ROs can onebox? As the user one boxing a post will think they have a good reason and if every user did this, the chat could be flooded with one boxes.
And this was clear here that you have a no one box- policy http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28024520#28024520
 
user3956566
So when I ask is it ok to post a meta or SO link to a question chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=28024371#28024371 you make it clear no chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28024414#28024414 and that it's not ok to link SO or meta posts here
 
user3956566
So can we please have a clear policy from ROs @TinyGiant et al ^^as any guideline that is open to user discretion is going to be interpreted in as many different ways as there are users.
 
user3956566
Thanks
 
I liked the guidance of let's see how mature we are
 
Morning
 
2:27 AM
yo K factor
 
lol
 
Really weird question: stackoverflow.com/q/34757393/3933332 cv as unclear?
 
@Rizier123 thats about as unclear as you can get while still using the english language
 
Only thing I see is OP has some problems with some images or something like that
 
i dont see how it could be a php and a css problem :p
 
2:36 AM
He doesn't use an IDE, so he tries to make the code pretty with css xD
 
Hmm...our new sidebar seems too big for me.
 
@KevinGuan You mean: You can't hold it anymoooore :)
 
@Rizier123 :P
 
2:58 AM
hm, i dont remember chat truncating my name before?
 
3:17 AM
@TinyGiant Oh, I meant that: What about ask user for a captcha confirm, if he only has 1 rep or it's his first post? If it's difficult to use script pass captcha, then probably these spammers can no longer post spam posts here.
 
user4639281
@MsYvette As far as I'm concerned, if you're using it to provide a canonical post directly related to the current discussion in the room, one-boxing is ok, as long as it isn't a whole bunch of times in a day. If you're sharing a post for any other reason, don't one-box. That may differ for other ROs positions on the subject. If best judgement doesn't prove to be a good measure, then one-boxes will just be disallowed entirely.
 
user4639281
We haven't had a problem with the one-boxing restriction until this point, and I would very much dislike it if we had to institute a hard restriction.
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan That may be something to think about... not sure how effective it would be.
 
@KevinGuan The sense I've gotten from some of the folks in the tavern is that there is often a human on a keyboard posting the spam
 
user4639281
3:29 AM
^^ That is my impression as well
 
As I see it, if one hasn't earned some rep of n then their post goes in a holding cell for m minutes. If not disapproved in that time period it is freed. People staff it. Or if not, just call that the current system.
 
user4639281
@Drew You mean triage?
 
Very fast pace in and out. Like Fill or Kill in stock trading transactions (only longer). If it is good enough at first blush, a Good To Go button is hit. Let's say the time frame is 3 minutes for kicks.
So no drawn out review thing
 
user4639281
You know that 98% of the reviewers are going to click Looks OK, right?
 
good. that One guy (only needs one) will have his/her name on it
 
3:43 AM
I suppose its acceptable to easy-win the audit if you detected it as an audit by opening the question to see what answers it has.
 
user4639281
@Joshua If you're smart about it, it is much easier than that.
 
But I wasn't even trying to detect audit. It was a marginal case and I wanted more data.
 
user4639281
And so you were paying attention
 
user4639281
Which is what the audits are there to make sure of
 
Man here's a terrible case. stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/10872452 It's not a dupe but the edit fills out the answer in the question.
It's been voted both ways altogether.
 
user4639281
3:53 AM
@Joshua That is a dupe
 
user4639281
That the user came up with a different solution is inconsequential, it is still a dupe
 
user4639281
The whole angular part of it doesn't matter at all.
 
4:09 AM
It's ok I pressed skip.
 
@TinyGiant Wow that's cool.
@josilber But we can still ban other spam bots right?
 
@KevinGuan Hi, GM.
 
Either I'm really bad at reading documentation: github.com/PHPOffice/PHPPresentation or it's badly documented. I just can't get anything to work. I just have to read the source code and figure everything out...
 
user4639281
WB @ashish
 
4:24 AM
An answer is not appropriate - Can I post that answer here?
 
user4639281
To what?
 
@AshishKakkad Plop! (wait, GM ?)
 
Yeh! GM here :)
India
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 Horrible docs
 
@TinyGiant To Flag etc.
Ok. Leave it.
 
4:26 AM
@AshishKakkad Oh :P
 
user4639281
@AshishKakkad go ahead
 
@TinyGiant Do you say it now just to calm me down?
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan You don't have the dark theme, so no
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 No, I just looked at the API docs page and there is only like 4 pages.
 
user4639281
4:27 AM
@AshishKakkad Could you edit that and add a character beside it to prevent one-boxing?
 
user4639281
brb
 
@TinyGiant I want (need) to get something done and I just ended up looking through src file(s) and trying to figure out what everything does, so I can get my stuff to work. But I'm on it since yesterday 23:30 and now it's 05:28 here ...
 
@TinyGiant lol, but I'm serious. The title of the items such like BLOG is too left.
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 Lol
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Yeah, the dark theme removes the borders and such.
 
user4639281
4:36 AM
I'll fix that once I'm done what I'm doing. I'm making it compatible with most of the Network
 
Ah, fine.
 
Got Refiner finally \o/ It'll show up next UTC day
 
user4639281
Nice
 
4:59 AM
@TinyGiant New Magic editor is awesome. Thanks :)
 
user4639281
Np
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
There will most likely be some inconsistencies, report them to me as you find them.
 
user4639281
I'm battling with the fact that Stack hardcodes every thing
 
user4639281
We need to keep an eye on this it needs two more votes to reopen, but it is a correct duplicate.
 
user4639281
5:18 AM
@Kevin @cyber just ignore that last ping. I'm going a different way with it, there are too many inconsistencies to keep track of.
 
user4639281
Out for the night, don't get into too much trouble.
 
user3956566
6:24 AM
@TinyGiant ok well I'll take a bit of a break from the room, as I don't want to be blamed for one boxing being an issue. Also I think my humour is not a good fit for the room.
 
6:57 AM
Plop!
@TinyGiant Okay, and night.
 
@KevinGuan User removed from blacklist (3649347 on stackoverflow.com).
 
love the monitor stand :P
 
Hm, apparently, you lose a bounty reward if the question you got it on was deleted.
 
7:15 AM
@Drew lol :P
@Cerbrus Huh, what'll happen when the answer was deleted instead of question? And sounds like you just lost a bounty reward :P
 
7:32 AM
Nah, i didn't lose anything, @KevinGuan
I'm assuming htat a deleted answer also means you lose the bounty
 
@Cerbrus That's fine. However I did vote to delete some answers which has a bounty. However didn't check what happen.
 
Morning. o/
 
Morning o/
 
Morning o/
 
Morning o/
 
7:49 AM
@MsYvette I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Nordehinu stats
 
7,936 need review
715 reviews today
3,052,970 reviews all-time
 
Should I ask the user to remove the url and add the html and css in questions like this? stackoverflow.com/questions/34761244/…
 
@Thaillie Yes at least some code otherwise the question will be useless in the future
 
8:11 AM
Morning
 
Morning o/
 
Hello Tim o/
Off-topic - general computing? stackoverflow.com/questions/34761549/…
 
8:33 AM
Always fun when other answerer's downvote everything to get to the top -_-
 
Always fun when people speculate about votes
;)
 
@TimCastelijns If 3 answer's get a -1 except 1 terrible answer it's easy to see ;)
 
8:47 AM
Link?
 
@Cerbrus To late :p, don't know the title and all I know is that it was a question :p
 
9:00 AM
Hyia :D o/
 
Hey Tuna o/
 
sd remove- on it
 
@Tushar well most of the answers here in Stack Overflow also comes from opinions or ideas. — 123456 1 min ago
He got you there
 
9:11 AM
@MadaraUchiha may I ask a short question regarding the flagging of suspected voting fraud
 
@bummi: did you wait a day for the cleanup to have a chance at it?
 
Sorry, I did not understand?
 
When did this (allegedly) happen?
 
Yesterday: Since I don't want to polute the mod pipe I'd like to know how vage a suspected voting fraud can be to be flagged. e.g.:
Lets assume you find an answer which get quickly upvoted though there are already two nearly identical answers. Taking a look to the userprofile and googeling for the company name let you find 3 user accounts on SO, one seemingly deleted the others are probably the same user. Would this be smelly enough to report or just paranoia.
 
Hm, if the accounts appear to be duplicates, flag it, and explain it. Voting fraud is hard to prove, but sockpuppets it a little easier.
 
9:19 AM
sockpuppets which do not interact are no problem
 
@bummi Sure
 
9:37 AM
Is this question considered as typo or brain fart?
 
Plop!
 
o/
 
Plop Kyll && Tuna!
 
Hey :)
 
9:50 AM
Hello Kyll o/
 
@MadaraUchiha Sorry we had a network crash, the question is standing between my ping and your answer
 
@bummi If you suspect, flag away.
Mods have tools to investigate further than you.
 
Ok, I'll do so, thx
 
polluting the mod pipe is 10 comment flags on the same post
 
I nearly never flag comments ....
 
9:54 AM
@bummi Great :)
 
I often flag comments \o/
 
So if there are 10 comments on the same post which should be deleted I should flag only one of them?
 
@Mogsdad Feature request: Code detection
@Gothdo Flag the post with a custom flag, and say "the comments need cleanup"
 
I usually flag the first offending comment, and mention the stuff below it may need a cleanup.
 
@Cerbrus That works too.
The problem with comment flags is that we can either "dismiss" or "delete the comment"
There's no middle ground
So if the particular comment that you flag is not delete-worthy, your flag will 100% get declined.
Even if we think it's helpful.
 
9:57 AM
That looks like a design flaw
 
@Cerbrus It absolutely is.
It makes comment flags completely broken
 
So always better to flag the post instead of comment if you want a cleanup?
 
@DavidG Unless you flag a specific comment that should be deleted, yes.
 
Flag a comment that absolutely needs deletion
 
9:58 AM
Yeah, that's the way I do it (though I rarely flag comments)
 
@MadaraUchiha Can you look at our room?
 
Hello
Need you help
 
@EthicsDev Fire away
 
@DavidG not getting
what you want to say
 
10:09 AM
you need our help, ask your question
 
ohk
4
Q: How to multiply/merge local images to gif image?

EthicsDevI have a requirement to make an app like one exist on playstore->JibJab, in this app already some gif images are given and user is selecting images from gallery or camera. After Image captured user can put image over gif image and entire multiply image is behaving like a gif image. i need a prop...

i ask this question
but without giving solution my question is closed now
need to solved out
 
> i need a proper guide from where to start the thing
That's either a resource request, or way too broad to be answered around here.
 
Well we can't solve it here. The question was closed as "too broad"
 
As such your question is off-topic for SO
 
@DavidG yes i know
but need to help to open the question
 
10:13 AM
The question can only be opened if it is edited so that it is not too broad any more
 
i already edited but no effect for that question
 
@MsYvette I thought about only allowing RO's to one-box but that feels as a very childish rule to me and disrespectful to our members. So I'll do my best to work with the RO team to make the rules clear and consistent without me having the feeling that we need to come-up with a rule for everything. So until then use your own judgement which can help us to see where this room goes overboard.
 
can i do more for redduce question?
@DavidG
 
Yes, because it is still far too broad and also asks for a guide which is also off topic.
 
@EthicsDev Well, as it is right now your question is a program description, not much more. Solving, answering this question would either be done via links (like the existing awful answer) or via complete tutorials which would all be very different from each other. As such your question is too broad. The only way to solve this would be to tremendously edit it to focus on a specific programming issue.
 
10:17 AM
@rene Does it ever really go overboard? I've yet to see it (apart from the odd user getting a touch over zealous, but they always stop after a subtle hint :))
I wasn't aware we had Nazis on SO!
 
@DavidG It depends on the day of the week, hour of the day and my mental condition I guess. We are not misbehaving that much, I'm pretty proud of this room and its members so far.
 
@DavidG Yeah, already flagged
 
10:50 AM
^ off-site: recommend tutorial too
 
11:13 AM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@user2314737 No, you are not a privileged user.
 
11:58 AM
Is there any canonical answer to which "I need regex for X" can be redirected?
 
I don't know about sockets or multithreading but if this question's answer is correct, can we say that's dupe of the link in that answer?
 
Well, edited, actually
 
@Thaillie Woah, very good answer. We can use closed questions as dupe target right?
@Cerbrus Not so sure.
It's an unformated paste of another answer
 
@Kyll Don't know, can't find anything on meta :p
 
12:05 PM
Not so sure if it needs a mod flag or not. Maybe I should ping the Sharingan holder...
 
I'm unable to read French, but I guess these comments are insulting? stackoverflow.com/a/34765993/4050842
 
Already flagged for moderator attention
Also commented about the paste and flagged VLQ. That should be enough flags raised for one post ^^'
@Thaillie the second one translates to "an idiot tries to be intelligent if I did it", no idea what it's supposed to mean.
Aand he's re-posting that same comment.
 
We need a jutsu like Kuchiyose that summons Diamond.
Instead of Boar - Dog - Bird - Monkey - Ram we can use vlq - comment flag - custom flag as seals.
 
@Lafexlos I think we need Tsunade, she always has a mod diamond on her forehead :p
 
Heh, if our diamonds suffer the same after-effect of using it as her, I'm sad for them
 
I recently reach 2K and started visiting the suggested edits queue. This post is, like, the fifth edit made by the same user. They all have the exact same edit: add tag [wildfly-9] even though [wildfly] is already present. While this can be helpful, one of the edits was incorrect. The OP was actually using Wildfly 8 but said the same code worked in Wildfly 9. Am I right to complain?
 
@Arc676 I would say yes, here is a recent meta question about it. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/314488/…
 
@Arc676 You should reject the edit with a custom reason if you think it's not technically right. You should also reject edits if they don't really improve posts in a substantial way (like adding a tag to an off-topic wreckage). Otherwise it's fine.
 
@Thaillie Thanks! I knew this couldn't be the first time. Sometimes it seems I can never search properly on Meta.
@Kyll Do you mean the "causes harm" option?
 
Sadly,site's search isn't that helpful. When googling try adding site:meta.stackoverflow.com to the end of your keywords.
 
12:35 PM
@Arc676 Yep. For example, "This edit introduces the waffle tag but OP is clearly cooking pancakes"
 
@Kyll Good analogy :D
 
I'm kinda hungry atm
 
XD I see
 
Mass cleanup request of search results for stackoverflow.com/… , a large number should be closed as duplicate of What is a Null Pointer Exception, and how do I fix it?
 
@Ferrybig Well, not so massive: 36 questions =p
It's so I think some people around here could hammer them down on their own
 
12:42 PM
This guy keeps editing his question to make it stay at homepage. Is there anything to do with that or just wait until he is tired? (also he deleted his first question which was 2 day ago and asked again yesterday) also is this ok to ask it here? I realized, it might not after sending. Can delete..
 
I think Tunaki is the only gold hammerer here
 
@Lafexlos It also has an accepted answer...
 
@Thaillie There's also durron but he's not hanging around so much
@Lafexlos The code piece is miles long, no MCVE for me.
 
Morning
 
Plop!
 
12:46 PM
o/
 
Morning Nathan o/
@Tunaki Is this something you could take a look at? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28100783#28100783
 
@Lafexlos Some edits do seem fishy (removing a piece of code to add it back a few minutes later), not sure if there's anything to do about it
 
He started with python3-4 tag and changed it to python3-2. Almost all those edits are unnecessary.
 
Flag it
Let a mod have a look at it. If anything, those edits are dubious.
Or POB :-)
 
@Lafexlos Holy hell so much vampiring on the answer O_O
@Cerbrus Kinda yeah. Could easily be reworded to "how to update user to..." so I went with TB
 
12:52 PM
Fair 'nuff
 
@Kyll Yeap. I was trying to answer his first deleted question then I just ran away.
aaaand another edit.
 
Did you already flag for mod attention?
 
Just 1 more cv on the question @Kyll linked...
 
@Cerbrus Will it be TB or POB? crowd stops breathing
 
I haven't yet. Thought you guys did that already. Please flag it.
 
12:56 PM
@Lafexlos Nope, you do that. You're the one who did the report, and it's best if only one person flags. Piling on moderator flags is useless
Just flag, explaining that OP did a number of fishy edits (removing and adding the same content, many times)
 
Ok, on it.
 
@Lafexlos I have commented on the question
 
sd ignore- edited
 
@Thaillie Seems like so. I'm not familiar with PhantomJS or CasperJS.
May benefit from added explanations
 
1:05 PM
@Thaillie Those are a lot of questions to look at!
I'll happily hammer them but someone needs to filter them because I know nothing about bukkit
 
@Kyll So it's not to broad?
 
@Kyll POB
 
@Thaillie Hm? I'm answering to your ping :)
 
Crowd died
 
@Tunaki Me neither, @Ferrybig requested it and is the only bukkit guy here for as far as I know. So maybe he can filter them.
 
1:12 PM
@Cerbrus aw
@Tunaki Er, Unihedron knows that kinda thing. You should get in touch with him about it.
Spam?
 
Based on the url, yes?
 
No
Tool request
 
1:27 PM
@Thaillie Bukkit is a platform for the game Minecraft, where people can write plugins in the language [java], a large number of those questions I linked earlier are just low quality versions of "What is a null pointer exception", where the op doesn't know how to debug the issue
@Thaillie Example low quality "[bukkit] NullPointerQuestion" stackoverflow.com/questions/33599404/… The op does not even post the exact error he has, and the answer is to specific to the situation because that reason
 
1:43 PM
morning!
 
\o
 
Morning Gunr o/
 
so yeah, another 4 inches of snow outside :(
normally I would be happy, but I need to drive in it
 
Plop gunr!
 
1:46 PM
are you well rested now?
:P
 
<insert joke about 4 inches being too much>
 
I'm so well rested I was an hour late at my job
 
@DavidG .............................
no, just no
 
@DavidG <insert snort>
 
@Kyll about those edited question, mod replied the flag: "We actually get notified with an automatic flag when a post has been edited too many times, but thanks for the extra heads-up."
Didn't know something like this exists.
 
1:59 PM
@Lafexlos It does! It's not exactly about the same thing, but I asked on Meta
 
Does anyone know if there are any stats on what percentage of users actually review on SO?
 
How should we flag questions written in languages we cannot read? stackoverflow.com/review/triage/10879678
 
@Ferrybig Unclear
 
@Ferrybig If you cannot read it isn't that the definition of Unclear?
 
@Kyll Thanks for the meta post.
Is this answer NAA(Should be a comment) or VLQ? I still can not decide those.
 
2:09 PM
afk
 
@Lafexlos not NAA, not sure if VLQ
maybe downvote and move on?
 
back
 
This may be interesting to you guys, too: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/314618/… Whether or not a specific type of thread should be closed.
 
2:26 PM
sometimes i wonder if people put any thought into their questions before they ask them: stackoverflow.com/questions/34768228/…
 
@Cerbrus Self-promotion for your question :P
 
@cimmanon I love the comment by David
 
not sure why the question has close votes, though.
 
@Rizier123 Only a little
 
2:44 PM
Sharing for the amusement of the 10kers around here: stackoverflow.com/a/34769466/1743880
 
@Tunaki Screenshot pls, for the non 10kers :(
 
and for the others :) i.stack.imgur.com/lP21F.png
 
sigh
 
How I handle this question stackoverflow.com/questions/34610697/…, I have tested code ecc... we found out that it was depending on power point (I even tried his generate pptx and it works fine).... What do I do now to liberate SO from this post? A: Answer call Bill Gates jasper report work correctly!, B: Flag it to close (which reason)?, C: Down-vote and live with it until its removed...
 
didn't look at it. if you tested the Q and have a good comment, leave one under Q. Close as typo or cannot repro (at the most)
 
3:01 PM
@Drew thanks...
 
np. And don't fixate on 1 Q. There are 11M more where that came from
 
^ this is spam
sd remove- on it
 
3:33 PM
 
@Drew I have my on turf, under my oak "It need's to be clean"!, (naturally I'm in for some close reviewing with you guys as well)
 
Well that was a crappy question
 
it was a sh*t question anyway....
 
@DavidG You and I think alike..
 
Yeah, it's worrying
 
3:46 PM
:)
 
@MadaraUchiha cc @tiny I'm not sure what you're asking for. Magic Editor does identify code when it's demarcated in a way understood by Markdown. (Line starting with 4+ spaces, text enclosed in backticks.) It does not handle <pre> or <code>, mainly because parsing HTML with regex is evil. (See issue #94.) Could you clarify? (Feel free to write up an issue report with details.)
 
@Mogsdad Can you (if it doesn't already) make it fix the 1st line 4 chars indented and all other lines 8 chars?
 
@DavidG Does issue #92 cover that?
(because I don't know what you mean.) Example?
 
It certainly helps yeah, but would be nice to autofix. See this meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/304072/…
 
Nope. Not touching that with a 39.5 foot pole.
 
3:55 PM
Haha
 
Even assuming c-family of languages, would need to parse the language to know that it's an "underhang" issue.
Could provide a "pretty print" option that would send the code out to some web service to do the reformatting.
 
Well, I was hoping for a button to do it, nothing automatic (like you say, too hard and Python probably breaks it)
 
@DavidG Bet you went "da da da da DA da" in your head...
@DavidG If you could select the improperly indented lines and shift them left, that would fix it, no?
 
Yeah, but I want a button dammit, a BUTTON!!!
I won't be happy until the editor toolbar is so full of buttons that I forget what they all do.
 
user image
2
 
3:59 PM
I used to have that button in the office!
 

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