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2:00 PM
Vacation period?
 
Students back at college
 
Sam
Simple solution: upon signing up, ask if they're a student: if yes, block them from asking Qs until next year.
 
user4842163
Maybe lots of assignments before a christmas break.
 
Sam
(jk)
Probably
 
PHP is also terrible at the moment :p
 
2:02 PM
@Thaillie No difference, always worse.
 
PHP is also terrible at the moment
 
What do you guys think of this question, is it too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/34251856/…
 
Sam
lol
@DavidG He wants to compress his reqs?
 
Yeah, not a bad idea if you are posting lots of JSON I guess
 
@DavidG Maybe POB: "there are a bunch of ways, I want to know the best" But I don't have enough AngularJS experience to judge
 
Sam
2:04 PM
Yeah
And there's no code...
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Looks like he just wants to find a way to compress it.
 
I think it's either too broad, no MCVE or POB.
 
Sam
^ Agree
 
And yet one of the highest rep people on SO thinks otherwise...
 
Sam
Rep proves nothing (most of the time).
We've all seen 5k'ers post NAAs, etc.
 
2:06 PM
True, and my CV is the one he is talking about :)
 
Sam
This still carries the original question, right (thinking of editing)?
> I am trying to optimize bandwidth usage by compressing requests from my angular client to a web API. Is there any way to achieve this?
 
user4842163
I think the question is okay -- or watch it a bit.. see what kind of answers pop up.
 
I like the question. Also is it a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/32246690/…
 
user4842163
No MCVE should be okay for this one -- more of a conceptual question about possibilities for compressing.. maybe borderline on the broad side
 
Part 2 solved \o/
 
Sam
2:12 PM
\o/
 
But brute-forced =(. There must be a more clever algorithm.
 
2:53 PM
> Suffice to say that cmake is the worst nightmare that ever happened to building packages in the history of nightmares that have happened to building packages.
Stop using cmake. It isn't helping anybody with anything, no really it is not. Stop. Please.
^ that guy doesn't like cmake, at all :D
 
Sam
lol
 
user4842163
Is that an answer to a question? I'd be tempted to up-vote. :-D
 
@Ike yeah. Flagged as NAA though :)
 
user4842163
Have to use cmake for compiling Pixar stuff -- not a fan either.
 
user4842163
When we come across a bad answer like this, does it help for more than one person to flag it?
 
3:01 PM
@Ike If there are enough spam flags, it will be auto-deleted
 
Sam
spam/offensive
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Ah, I see.
 
I don't remember the threshold. 5?
 
Sam
6
 
Thanks
 
Sam
3:02 PM
np
 
@Tunaki It is an Urdu poem on love. It's offensive only to us FAs :(
 
Oh really? What does it say?
 
I dunno Urdu :( If it was Hindi I could've translated atleast some bits of it. :P
 
Google translate:
> We are the people we work to scare some sense, we teachers are the target PC
 
Err Wait. Did my Google Search fail? It returned some 3 pages on Love for me :D
 
3:11 PM
@alirezasafian Meh, it's about using Visual Studio to compile SASS to CSS. Seems quite on-topic for me.
 
@BhargavRao Hmm. Interesting search history? :D
 
@Tunaki Lol Nope. Only 3 pages were returned.
 
> On my desktop PC, I have several sites that I cannot load at certain times of the day. (on this)
Sounds like the computer is haunted by a ghost who likes to oversleep
 
@Kyll it is unclear. "i dont understand" is not a very useful description of what they dont understand
 
@Kyll okay, tnx
 
3:16 PM
@cimmanon Mh yep. Let me comment on it.
 
terrycavanaghgames.com/hexagon If someone gets to lvl 2 I want to see a screenshot :P
 
@Rizier123 Wow that's an oldie!
 
Open this and this on separate tabs. Flip them continuously and watch fun :P
 
@Kyll Yup, but still cool
 
TL;DR - 2 plagiarized answers on the same question
 
3:25 PM
@BhargavRao o_o
 
Lol. I'm hammering one of them
 
@Rizier123 First try, level 4: puu.sh/lU195/763915db7d.png
 
@BhargavRao nice!
 
Sam
Eh, got to lvl 3.
 
Second try now...
 
3:26 PM
hammered
 
@Kyll I call hax. Now I know what you do at work all the time :D
 
Sam
@BhargavRao Lol wth
 
@Rizier123 I actually played that a lot back in the day haha
 
I wanted to make a gif of that, but I aint got a s/w to that rite now. :P
 
@BhargavRao Third copy-paste: stackoverflow.com/a/34252705/1743880
 
3:29 PM
Lol. But the other answer is not there :P
BTW @Tunaki Do you just refresh the new answers page or do you have some script to make it real time?
 
@BhargavRao No, I F5 when I think of it.
 
I am thinking of adding a
 
Yeah. I'm thinking the feature-request should have: automatic reloading (like the "newest" page that shows "1 question with new activity") and links for automatic flagging
Because that's what this tool is for really. Flag non answers.
 
True. Shall I ask one now?
 
Okay. :)
 
3:38 PM
goddamnit still level 4
 
@Tunaki Do edit it if required
 
@BhargavRao How about this?
I added bullets to make it clearer
 
I actually upvoted the question seeing you edit. facepalm
 
Sam
Bullets make everything clearer.
 
@Sam That's right. Shoot first.
 
3:44 PM
There was a post somewhere telling that bullets help gain more attention.
 
^ and free-hand red circles
 
Sam
^ Yep
 
Can anyone photoshop that grey bar on normal questions and place it in the tools page.
We can then add free hand circle to that :P
 
@Kyll Take a look at this video: jeuxvideo.com/videos/chroniques/415188/…. You'll drop your coffee cup
 
@Tunaki Yeah yeah, I saw it, thank you xD
This man's completely nuts. And I know what I'm talking about!
 
3:49 PM
@BhargavRao I don't have any tab with new questions right now but when I do, I'm on it
 
Thanks :)
 
What about this: i.imgur.com/0NlZPsP.png
 
Looks awesome! You're adding it?
 
added
is there a weird thing below the image?
 
That's the link to the image.
How does this look? i.stack.imgur.com/GZleq.png
 
3:58 PM
edited :)
 
free-hand red circle = upvotes guaranteed
3
 
Yeah. But I guess we should've better asked on a week day.
 
Hmm perhaps. +6 for now. It'll make the hot-topic list tomorrow.
Hopefully
 
Yeah. But only if there is activity. :/
 
4:02 PM
It can make the hot-topic list even if there are no answers and no comments
It depends on the number of views and score
 
Yep. But it must get enough upvotes and views to trump other questions.
 
I have high hopes :)
 
A lot of 10k'ers will benefit from that.
 
I also have this feature-request / bug pending
 
Ah there! I had almost asked a question on that when I saw your question in the similar questions list.
 
4:08 PM
The 10k+ tools could use a lot of refining.
 
I actually suspect that not many people use it
 
It would be interesting to have statistics on it (how many users are on it? percentage of helpful NAA flags coming from the tool?)
 
Before I came to this room, I used to wonder Who on earth upvotes my comments on these answers?
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Now I know that @Tunaki was the culprit :P
 
@BhargavRao Me! Me!
lol
:D
 
Sam
4:11 PM
lol
 
Active in the room even before I came :D
 
@BhargavRao yeah that was a nice one
 
I know can recognize Kevin there :P
 
4:32 PM
If a question references a live external site as a key part of it's question like the one at stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/10544920, how is this handled best?
 
@Trevor close / flag as "No MCVE"
 
ok. will need to do tomorrow as no more flags for today (unless someone else can)
 
just voted to close yep
 
The president of the company that owns this web site thinks you should either answer the question or find a duplicate of the question. This dictum is widely ignored, SO users just pick a random reason from the close dialog. The more opposite of the true reason the better, that makes "Unclear what you are asking" an excellent choice. — Hans Passant 4 hours ago
 
which is brilliant, just saved me a lot of time
 
4:38 PM
> How do I use my computer when it is turned off? I tried yelling at it for hours but it still wouldn't do anything. Here is a voice recording of what I yelled at it to do.
^ awesome
Is this a question?
 
@Tunaki maybe ask in the android room (if there is one)
 
I think cybers comment on that question is legit. Let's see if it gets an answer
 
I think the point is, should I mark it as NAA
because that is usually the 10k tools angle of Tunaki
 
I'm afraid a normal NAA could be misinterpreted
 
i agree
 
4:49 PM
@cybermonkey thanks :) (and hi!)
 
@Tunaki no probs :)
 
Sam
:)
 
huh, I didn't know I was an approved user of the Android room
 
Sam
Heh, I am too.
 
rip smiley train
someone create a recursive chatbot for that (which actually gets the formatting right [unlike me])
 
Sam
4:53 PM
Oh that's right codeMagic added me ages ago.
@cybermonkey Challenge accepted
Yep, I've definitely stopped making sense today.
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These comment boxes are waaay too small :)
 
dang, Fred summed it up in first comment
 
user4639281
5:12 PM
Boo!
 
Hey
 
Sam
Moo!
 
Meow.
 
Just trying to keep the stack clean
 
user4639281
5:15 PM
You just like wreckin' trains :P
 
no argument there
 
Sam
Yes
 
Err report then :P
Wait! The question itself asks for spam answers
 
user4639281
Too Broad.
 
user4639281
Spam is not allowed even if the question is asking for it.
 
Sam
Yup
 
5:54 PM
Marking the question as favorite :P
 
user4842163
6:09 PM
Sometimes I wish a sufficient number of up-votes could cancel a close vote, or make it so the question requires more close votes to shut it down.
 
user4842163
Looking at this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/34254375/…... it has the makings of an excellent Q&A, but already one close vote for some reason.
 
@Ike Oh God please no. Any off-topic question making it into the HNQ would become unclosable and gather loads of bad answers.
 
user4842163
@Kyll How about a pretty huge ratio, like 20 votes to increase the close votes required by 1?
 
@Ike the comments there explain well why there is a close vote.
 
6:12 PM
@Ike In that case, it'd be almost always useless. When it isn't it would just be inconvenient =|
 
user4842163
@Tunaki Yeah, and they don't make much sense. It's not a code review -- it's a conceptual snippet from someone who invested a lot of time and wants to find out a more optimal way.
 
+80 still "too broad"
And asked a few days ago
 
user4842163
@BhargavRao Ah yeah, I was thinking more present than hindsight. I mainly worry about fresh questions and how it only takes a measly 5 to close when they start getting positive energy.
 
@BhargavRao I was about to vote to close it but Sam beat me to it
 
True. There's always the option to reopen
 
user4842163
6:14 PM
That one I linked to is actually a really great Q IMO, as is evident from most defending it in the comments. Just performance questions in general tend to invite close votes.
 
Sam
@Tunaki Ninja'd.
 
@Ike Yes, I don't think I'll vote on this one. I don't have enough expertise to judge.
 
Haven't had my food yet. So I too refrain :p
 
user4639281
Well the question you linked asks two questions, which makes it too broad. And the first question isn't really an answerable question.
 
user4639281
It's "Do you have any tricks regarding optimization of this?" which is too broad.
 
user4842163
6:17 PM
Good point on the two Qs part, but I don't think it gets much narrower than that for a tuning-related Q. It's going to boil down to instruction selection and memory hierarchy.
 
user4842163
Maybe he could post his measurements to make it nicer.
 
user4639281
Asking how to optimize your code is too broad of a question for Stack Overflow but would be a good fit for codereview.SE
 
user4842163
Aww, my favorite Qs on the site fit this vein... the branch misprediction one from Mysticial, how to compute pi to world record digits... etc.
 
user4639281
No, the branch prediction one asks why something is happening, that isn't asking how to optimize the code.
 
user4842163
I think performance hits that esoteric knowledge since it tends to go into assembly and profiling, cache misses, branch mispredictions, etc.
 
user4639281
6:19 PM
Same with the pi one, it is asking something specific.
 
user4639281
Specific answerable questions are on-topic, but open ended questions asking for any possible improvement on a piece of code are off-topic.
 
user4842163
I see, the wording should be maybe a bit different...
 
user4639281
If you want to talk about why one piece of code runs faster than another piece of code, that is an on-topic question.
 
user4639281
But asking for how to make your code faster or more efficient is open ended.
 
user4639281
Making it perfect for codereview, but not for Stack Overflow.
 
user4842163
6:22 PM
That kind of makes my best-received Q OT: stackoverflow.com/questions/30023245/….. perhaps should close it?
 
> In short, I'm looking for any guides and hints and suggestions (not necessarily solutions) on how to micro-optimize this code.
The subsequent edits and answers do make it a lot open-ended too.
So yes, I think it's too broad. Didn't read the whole thing too, it's 7 months old so not worth closing anyway.
 
user4842163
Yeah -- I didn't know how to ask good Qs back then.. I think that was one of the first ones I asked.
 
I would love if I could write and understand assembly
 
Quite a score, congrats
 
user4842163
I have a soft spot for those conceptual performance ones though -- maybe just because they're most interesting to me... is code review okay even for snippets of code?
 
user4639281
6:26 PM
Yeah, I would read their help center before posting though.
 
@Ike I'm going to use this as reference when explaining the whole "do optimisations last, they lock your code and make it ugly" thing
 
user4639281
That question is too broad (IMO). But as Kyll said, it is old and not attracting new answers, so not worth closing.
 
@Ike Err, I think you'd need to give a full working solution and not elude the dist affectation. I'm not sure.
You did elude it? That's not some weird C++ syntax?
 
user4842163
Ah yeah, I went totally into a snippet style and omitted some code. Then updated later and included a full MCVE below.
 
user4842163
Had an interesting dynamic after the MCVE where people were competing to speed it up.
 
user4639281
6:30 PM
What I meant before was that you can use snippets, as long as they function as code on their own.
 
user4639281
AFAIK.
 
user4842163
I think I like performance-related Qs for that reason -- wherever they belong... it gives people to compete but the idea of "best" isn't subjective -- the times make it objective.
 
user4639281
Well yeah, fastest is objective, but the question can still be Too Broad.
 
user4842163
for sure -- that one was going into discussion territory too much
 
user4842163
but mostly because I omitted an MCVE initially -- just snippet
 
user4639281
6:42 PM
Alright, I'm going to go get some work done. I'll be back in a bit.
 
Have fun
 
Ciao
 
Sam
Cya
 
user4842163
see you
 
user3956566
6:59 PM
morning all
 
Sam
Morning
 
Morning
 
Hey
Oh you changed username?
 
user4842163
I had a daft moment where I thought there was someone with the same avatar as MrsEd.
 
Lol....
Just realized that my l button is broken :(
 
user3956566
7:03 PM
well since I'm not using Mr Ed's pic anymore Mrs Ed doesn't make sense..
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao that's sad.. when I was studying C, my C button broke and after C we studied C++ (I thought that was funny)
 
@MsYvette Funny, when I studied Java my brain broke.
 
Lol (I need to hard-press the button)
 
It's too peaceful in here, let's start a flame war
 
@Kyll JavaScript*
 
user3956566
7:05 PM
@Kyll I hated java when I studied it and it's hilarious cos I use it all the time now
 
PHP! I still scratch my head :D
 
user3956566
@Tunaki don't you mean php?
 
user3956566
haha
 
user4842163
I wish Lua was a bit more popular -- kind of quiet there.
 
@Ike I've been tempted to learn it for quite a time now
I'm a user of LaTeX and I see a lot of LuaTeX atm
 
user3956566
7:07 PM
what sort of language is Lua
 
user4842163
@Tunaki In practice I find it kind of annoying sometimes -- mainly because metatables are so flexible but also a bit tedious. But it's such a minimalist yet flexible language -- small and fast.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Scripting language -- but with a very fast JIT (LuaJIT). It's most common in the game industry.
 
user4842163
@MsYvette The interpreter actually flips on a floppy disk.
 
user3956566
@Ike ah thanks
 
user3956566
@Ike what?
 
user4842163
7:09 PM
@MsYvette It's super tight -- very small, low mem use. But it doesn't have any big libraries with it -- designed to embed into your application, you bind whatever functionality you need to it from your host language (typically C).
 
user3956566
@Ike ah
 
user4842163
@MsYvette Though.. I said flips -- meant "fits".
 
user3956566
@Ike hahaha yeh, was confused by that
 
Is the execution fast, on a floppy disk ?
 
user4842163
@Drew I haven't actually tried to run it from a floppy. But I link it through a dylib -- whole thing is like 300 kilobytes and voila, your application can run scripts and call its functions on the fly.
 
Sam
7:12 PM
wonders if @rene's been going through my meta profile
 
I was being funny Ike. Didn't think anyone had a floppy disk anymore
 
@Sam Nah, different approach but if you have some other old stuff lingering I'll come to it...
 
Sam
Well thanks for the answer anyways.
 
user4842163
@Drew I've tested it in some critical cases with LuaJIT on heavy-duty cases like image processing with per-pixel blur. It performs exactly on par with equivalent C code processing a big table instead of a big array -- kind of blew my mind. But can't apply SIMD there and it's hard (not impossible but awkward) to multithread.
 
user4842163
But from a scalar, single-threaded context, it tends to often rival C... in spite of being a JIT and compiling code on the fly.
 
7:18 PM
Looks pretty cool Ike. Seems it could add a lot of structure to otherwise madness
 
user4842163
Its thing is small and fast -- has the minimalism aesthetic going for it which is both good and bad. The entire language only has one aggregate type -- a table.. which is used to represent everything from maps to sets to hash tables to arrays to classes... and even inheritance.... which makes it so there's hardly anything to learn, whole language can be covered exhaustively with one teeny booklet. But it's often less convenient to code than, say, Python which has richer data types.
 
user4842163
Oh well, sorry -- kinda derailed the convo <-- obvious Lua fan
 
Maybe it could be a good CV reason: You should start with LUA
 
Close vote reason: "Why are you still using PHP?"
 
CV Reason: Why are you still using Java? Come to Scala
 
7:24 PM
@Drew I like Scala very much yeah
 
user4842163
I think Python might actually be easier to start with... tricky thing about Lua's minimalism is that doing anything non-trivial requires a bit more gruntwork upfront, since there's no dictionary type or anything like that.. you have to build it all using a small handful of primitives.
 
(but bring your Java libs with you :P )
 
user4842163
Anyone here like LISP?
 
@Ike o/
CLS
 
Weird. That didn't clear the chat.
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7:25 PM
One of the main things I liked about JS (which is my current favorite) was how similar it was to common lisp
 
user4842163
oh really? You can do a lot of functional programming in JS? (haven't used JS very much at all)
 
@Ike functions are first class objects
 
user4842163
I see -- with support for closures?
 
You have functional scope and closure by default
 
user4842163
very nice -- Lua is similar
 
7:28 PM
People often underestimate JS because it's a scripting language for the web
"Not a real language" they say
 
@MadaraUchiha And because, well, it has quite the warts.
 
JS is one of the most expressive and powerful mainstream language today
@Kyll That is true, but it's very easy to avoid them
 
name one wart-less language
 
user4842163
What I liked about Lisp (been ages since I used it and forgot most of the stuff like CARs and CDRs) was just how small it was... even smaller than lua -- just a handful of atomic functions... defining functions with functions
 
@MadaraUchiha And very easy to follow stupid tutorials teaching them. Thankfully in recent years many good resources have popped up!
 
7:29 PM
"Avoid eval like the plague" "Don't rely on ASI" "Don't rely on type conversion"
@Kyll Yes, because JS was evolved and battle tested against one of the most hostile environments there are in software development
 
user4842163
@Drew I think pure lisp could be considered wart-less... but also featherweight.. not wartless like without flaws, but wartless in the sense that there was no part of the language that could use obvious improvement... everything was kind of right and needed, and no more
 
Different browsers, different operating systems, recently, very different resolution and specs
 
user4842163
C++ has a boatload of warts... but still the one I use the most
 
@Ike There are nearly no gotchas in common lisp
Sure you need to remember 5 different types of equal functions, and file handling is a bit meh
But thats about it.
 
user4842163
@MadaraUchiha Yeah -- I only tackled LISP a brief period... and mostly just for little hobby programs over a decade and a half ago... but I never tripped up on odd glitches (mostly thanks to pure functions), and the code was always very tight.
 
7:32 PM
The fact that there are no special operators for assignment, math, bitwise, logic etc makes the syntax super easy
 
user4842163
ultra uniform syntax
 
user4842163
I heard LISP is coming back in style in universities now in some areas like robotics/AI
 
Obligatory XKCD: xkcd.com/297
 
user4842163
Actually wonder if Lisp would be a good starting language for an absolute beginner... due to the pure functions, as a teaching tool. But it tends to require recursive thinking quite early on -- maybe it would be difficult that way.
 
@Ike I've seen too many places that never teach recursion incorrectly.
 
user4842163
7:38 PM
@Tunaki eh nice :-D
 
user4842163
I thought it'd be funny if we had a canonical question for redirecting duplicates related to recursion... Q: How do I do recursion? [Closed as duplicate of Q: How do I do recursion]
 
@Ike If only that was possible
 
user4842163
two Qs, identically worded, redirecting to each other back and forth :-D
 
If the system allows it, maybe a dev would be able to whip a funny
@Ike That's cheating though
 
7:40 PM
Maybe you should see thisBhargav Rao Apr 29 at 13:47
 
There is this one which is quite good: stackoverflow.com/q/717725/1743880
 
user4842163
@BhargavRao Ehe, perfect.
 
That's my most voted comment :D
 
user4842163
@Tunaki That's an excellent answer in that one.
 
The sandbox was filled with messages like these thousands and thousands of pixels high
 
7:43 PM
@Ike yeah, btw, maybe that's again one of those Q that are too broad but attracted a very good answer
 
@MadaraUchiha But how did you remove even the trace of those messages? (Some Godly Modly power)
I didn't even wait for the GIF to load. I knew it was that :D
 
So... a mod can come in, trash the place and make as if everything never happened? That sounds cool. I'll nominate myself next year.
 
user4842163
@Tunaki I think that's a tough part about those types of broad Qs -- I can see why we don't want them on the site, but they tend to hit the most general kind of questions applicable to everyone... not every broad Q, just the ones asking like, "How does recursion work?"
 
@Tunaki Yeah, basically
We can also wipe history
 
@Madara Wipe my one box also when you wipe that!
 
7:47 PM
Boop, no history, even for ROs
 
Sam
Good thing us bots have access to logs...
 
Awesome!
 
user4842163
"How do things work" questions seems like they have a high probability of generating some very detailed content.. like, "How do CPU cache lines work?" -- but always broad -- they're demanding pretty detailed answers.
 
Possible spam? 1 2 3 4 5
 
Don't think so. Plot thickens
 
7:51 PM
OK, spam it is
custom flag
 
Mod flag
 
user4842163
for #1 the guy should just paste that blog post of his into the answer :-D
 
user4639281
2 messages moved to Trash can
 
@Ike These are people who want to attract a lot of guys to their blog. So obviously they keep the answer to a minimal.
Once many people visit they put ads. Then they make money.
 
user4639281
@Madara I realize that you're a Mod, but please keep the one-boxes to a minimum.
 
7:53 PM
flagged
 
Yeah. I was about to that, but now no.
 
@TinyGiant Sure
Also me being a mod doesn't exempt me from any rules or policies of any room in particular
So feel free to call me out if needed.
 
user4639281
:)
 
@MadaraUchiha Ah damn. Maybe I won't nominate myself then...
:)
 
So ROs can command mods? :O
 
Sam
7:55 PM
:)
 
@BhargavRao I like to give the illusion of free choice.
 
Anyone else thinking of You have no power here
 
@BhargavRao Yeah well, most people seem to forget that the other party did indeed have power there.
 
Sam
@BhargavRao Did anyone else think of that scene from lotr when you said that?
 
@Sam Can you think of anything else when someone says that? :o
 
7:57 PM
Lol!
Afk, professor calling
 
Sam
@MadaraUchiha Yeah... nope.
 
32 flags pending. What are you waiting for? The queue won't clear itself! Review you slackers!
 
Sam
Already spent my 20 reviews. :p
 
well @Tunaki I guess you chased that spam away
 
Sam
Now at 5.5k. \o/
 
7:59 PM
@Drew helpful flag, yep.
 

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