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8:00 AM
I read about something called Jezebel that runs on arm but I don't even really know what I'm talking aboit
 
Abi ... Aboriginal bus instructor?
 
Xeo
ffs with that guy.
mornin
 
Ummm... won't be an issue for long
 
Xeo
Thanks
 
@GregorMcGregor Unpress it!
@chmod666telkitty Application Binary Interface.
 
8:08 AM
@JonClements Can you also change back Xeo's avatar please?
 
@ElimGarak And is there any reason behind that? Would readme.md also work?
 
@Jefffrey @Xeo can do that themselves if they want
 
But I don't like it
 
omg Xeo changed avatar
 
It's not even vertically aligned with his name
 
8:10 AM
rip cirno
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey uuuh, no avatar is
 
@Jefffrey oh well - I suggest you get over it :)
 
Xeo
Prolly gonna change it again though
 
Thanks
 
Xeo
doesn't properly show in small size
 
8:11 AM
Anyway - that's one prob. sorted @Xeo/@R.MartinhoFernandes - gotta run for a bit - see ya laters
 
Xeo
bye bye
 
@JonClements Thanks.
 
@fredoverflow README/CHANGELOG/etc is traditional
 
ConsiderWatchingMeToGetMoreInformation.mkv.bz2
 
Oct 30 at 14:15, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Daily dose of MSVC-induced rage.
 
8:13 AM
I'm still trying to repro btw
 
@AlexM. I am appalled!
 
do you eventually build an immunity?
 
I can't find root cause kill me
 
@LucDanton It is either that or you go insane. (I have no idea what you are reacting to since you have not used the ARROW!)
@CatPlusPlus The root cause is you!
 
@CatPlusPlus The only times I've seen something like that was race condition bc scheduling
 
8:21 AM
@ElimGarak lol. I am glad I rarely go through backlog like this. :D
 
I wish multithreading was more straightforward.
 
you know you're tired when your yawns become silent screams of agony
@wilx it's k man it's not a public repo
all of that has meaning e.g. "-" means "I've made progress"
I'll be honest that I don't know what "8" means there
but I'm sure I will if I take a close look
 
Ell
I know I am tired because my stomach does not feel good
 
user1804599
Hello!
 
Xeo
Oh hey, Alex is not Rapptz anymore
 
user1804599
8:35 AM
@sehe What is the free web?
 
my book arrived, yay
 
user1804599
The web where you're free to do whatever you want (such as hiding) with the information that servers send to you?
 
@Elyse le net gratuite
@Elyse it's the one that allows you to harass entertain us :)
 
user1804599
 
@Elyse sigh. Yeah. You're free to do as you please. And that includes the consequences
 
8:36 AM
@AlexM. You are making my point before I have even said anything else there. :D
 
user1804599
The consequences are very nice.
 
user1804599
So I'll do. :D
 
user1804599
> -funbox-strict-fields
 
user1804599
GHC has funboxes!
 
Ell
8:44 AM
I'm jelly
 
user1804599
I'm jekyll
 
@Ell Jelly?
 
@Ell hope you're strawberry jelly
 
@AlexM. that’s sweet
 
@wilx jealous
 
Xeo
8:53 AM
> New in this year are the lightning talks, submit your lightning talk until November 15th!
oho, lightning talks at MeetingCpp
 
sup
 
@Ell hey sweety!
 
hello
 
hi telkitty
 
I'm not telkitty
 
8:54 AM
I know
 
@edition hey
 
that's ridiculous lightnings are natural phenomena not capable of speech
 
I've sat for too long today.
My butt hurts.
5
 
pls no starbait
 
8:56 AM
lol
 
no starbutt
 
@GregorMcGregor I wish Lightning wasn't capable of speech
 
user1804599
version 0.14.0
 
Lightning is pretty cool
apparently cool enough to become some sort of icon for femipower in japan
 
user1804599
8:59 AM
Fuck Ubuntu.
 
boy I just stumbled into a europe vs america discussion on reddit
 
@AlexM. lol really
 
@Rapptz lol
 
@AlexM. I thought it was an icon for franchises that run amok
 
9:00 AM
@Rapptz is it in reality europe vs the united states
 
@Rapptz pls share
 
I am reading one of those masturbation stories now
 
pls do not share
 
what kind of thread can you get if you merge europe america and masturbation
 
inb4 "Swamps of Degobah" NSFW
 
9:05 AM
they are different threads
here's the america vs europe one
 
boring and unoriginal
 
indeed
oh man it's one of these
I love these
 
@Rapptz hmmm, standard EU vs US circlejerk
 
@Rapptz this is why I can't watch US shows. the canned laughters are extremely annoying.
 
John Oliver tends to make similar style jokes mostly
kind of gets boring after a while
 
9:10 AM
I don't watch TV unless forced to (while having dinner)
I don't like the idea of not having the power to choose
 
I never watch TV because it's extremely boring
 
@GregorMcGregor Scrubs is pretty top tier because there is no canned laughter.
among other reasons
 
@GregorMcGregor I watch those shows on YT
 
Let's be fair, most countries try to brainwash its people
and by using 'most', I am being lenient here ..
 
I used to not like TV shows at all, until I starting watching Scrubs
 
9:13 AM
@Elyse welcome to Ubuntu, where the packages are so old, even slowpoke has updated by other means.
 
Scrubs is p. good
 
@TonyTheLion Scrubs is just nice random background noise. Sure it has some pretence of being a serial, but nah, it's just random giggles
 
Confirmed as never watching Scrubs.
 
we all like scrubs because we all relate to scrubs ... this world is full of scrubs, I feel normal when I think about that ...
but scrub is old
back then I still occasionally watched TV
 
person of interest was good.
 
9:15 AM
I watch anime.
 
really?
 
@edition yes I enjoyed that show
sadly Netflix hasn't posted the next season yet
 
@LucDanton u wanna fite aboot it m8?
 
no I mean I didn’t expect it
 
Ell
@chmod666telkitty Hi :D
My batteries arrived woooo
 
9:17 AM
@TonyTheLion I wish there was actually a programmer with the same aptitude as 'Harold Finch'
 
Ell
my mouse now has more battery capacity than my phone :V
 
@LucDanton hm? serious?
 
@Rapptz no
 
phew
 
@edition yea would be amazing
 
9:18 AM
and to have professional ex-military friends, and being a billionaire.
 
@Rapptz you suck
 
don't you have some potatoes to work on friend
 
I'm stuck on sth trivial again
I have my_precius_little_char which is compatible with char in every possible way except it's default constructed to whitespace. How do I convince cimpoler that I can cast a my_precius_litel_char* to char*
Yes I can cast but it feels unpotate
 
Dammit. SO has a CCS replication failure? I'm without style here
(inb4 puns - I made it already)
 
9:21 AM
 
@GregorMcGregor If it weren’t for char being a special case, that’s the sort of hackery that has to be careful around strict aliasing. So it is kinda unpotate.
 
Wat
 
@LucDanton teribel
 
How 'compatible' are we talking here?
 
9:23 AM
is it just struct fuck { char lol; };?
 
@GregorMcGregor oops. I've got not class / I've got no style
 
@Rapptz With fuck(char value = ' ') : lol(value) {}
 
All is back to normal now. It was happening in an incognito Chrome session too, so browser specific failure (as per normal) was rules out
 
@GregorMcGregor Pass pointer to the data.
 
> Could not find a part of the path — TFS
 
9:26 AM
I remember a while ago I asked something about my raw_char.
 
@JohanLarsson use git?
 
yes but the code is in tfs
 
I converted raw_char* to char* using reinterpret_cast and the conclusion I arrived to was that it was okay.
It's been a very long time though.
 
Was it also a class type?
 
@JohanLarsson copy the code to a git respository, then use git?
 
9:28 AM
@LucDanton Yeah.
 
pass pointer to data
 
@edition Yeah, I think we will switch to Github eventually
 
using raw_bytes = std::vector<raw_char>;

inline char* to_bytes(raw_bytes& bytes) {
    return reinterpret_cast<char*>(bytes.data());
}
 
I'll reinterpret cast too
 
@fredoverflow gold, pure gold
 
9:29 AM
will it blend
 
@GregorMcGregor It’s fine because it’s char. If it weren’t, it’s more complicated.
 
user1804599
Are member function pointers trivially copyable?
 
@GregorMcGregor What about my_precius_litel_char::operator char & () and const variant as well?
 
47
A: C++ vector that *doesn't* initialize its members?

bames53For default and value initialization of structs with user-provided default constructors which don't explicitly initialize anything, no initialization is performed on unsigned char members: struct uninitialized_char { unsigned char m; uninitialized_char() {} }; // just to be safe static_...

 
unicode? long long?
 
9:30 AM
@Elyse yes
 
@LucDanton I know. I wish there was a way to tell the cimpoler that fuck is covariant with char or sth
 
@Rapptz That gets you a pointer to the underlying array(s) of bytes, strictly speaking. It’s not quite like seeing the array differently.
 
I asked if this was UB and looked it up and came to the conclusion that it's okay.
 
@chmod666telkitty What?
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok nice. :>
 
9:30 AM
@wilx return reinterpret_cast<char*>(bytes.data());
 
I’m not sure that static_assert( sizeof(raw_bytes) == 1, "" ); would improve the matter much.
 
user1804599
> Tara wants a child, but her boyfriend has a condom fetish
 
I would rather not dive into that section of the standard (again...)
I really hate that section
I swear I always end up re-reading it.
 
after changing GLFW to handle WM_COMMAND events, I am unable to merge my changes with the fork I created on github. :/
it just doesn't work.
 
@edition The merge procedure or the code after your changes? :)
 
9:34 AM
@GregorMcGregor Just to be clear: it works for one object. I’m not as sure when it comes to an array. Because that’s what you have just like Rapptz right?
 
@wilx the merge procedure.
oh, the code works.
 
@edition Too many whitespace changes?
 
I would have thought you’d know not to XY that shit by now
 
@wilx well, git did notify me of the line endings it had to convert for many files.
 
Past me did a lot of standard reading on this and even asked the lounge so I think it is ok. Present me is too lazy to redo that.
Conclusion: maybe
 
9:36 AM
@Rapptz Yours is standard layout, I’m not so sure for Gregor since we’ve already had a hint of a constructor.
this is how complicated it gets
 
Casting stuff to char* and reading char by char is always OK.
 
Conclusion: fuck
 
AFAIK. char* can alias any object.
 
@LucDanton yes
 
user1804599
@wilx Not if the pointee was originally volatile.
 
9:38 AM
@Elyse interesting point
 
@wilx I do believe that's unsigned char*.
 
user1804599
> Even though const_cast may remove constness or volatility from any pointer or reference, using the resulting pointer or reference to write to an object that was declared const or to access an object that was declared volatile invokes undefined behavior.
 
speaking of char*, since the marshalling of structs in .NET is not so great, it could be fun to pass object data as a char*whilst removing the last '\0'
 
@Elyse Well, if your shit is volatile, you should probably not do anything like casting to different type anyway. :)
@Rapptz Both, all char types AFAIK.
 
user1804599
Also, TIL.
 
9:39 AM
pls no
 
user1804599
Also, TIL using memcpy with non-trivially-copyable types isn't UB. It's just that the target is uninitialised after.
 
this is tempting to go down that section
I refuse
 
@Rapptz lol, I am not forcing you to! :D
 
@Rapptz it’s more than just one section in the array case
 
user1804599
Why are new, delete, new[], delete[], and the casting operators not functions in the standard library?
 
9:43 AM
@Elyse They are compiler generated. Ultimately, they are actually implemented as a function the library, AFAIK.
 
Today's chicken are so brutal
 
I don't remember why I used this trick instead of unique_ptr.
Oh.
I actually use the vector's interface.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow lame pun incoming
 
user1804599
class C { var xs = List(1, 2, 3) }
val c = new C
{ val cons = c.xs; c.xs = c.xs.tail; cons } // cons piracy
 
@Elyse why would it be :) You can memcopy all RAM if you wish
 
user1804599
9:53 AM
Does Boost have something like string_view that uses shared ownership instead of non-owning?
 
user1804599
I never mutate strings other than assigning them.
 
user1804599
So ideal would be to have std::shared_ptr<CharT const[]> as storage instead of std::vector<CharT>.
 
user1804599
Or COW.
 
Ell
> Bad SDL SDL not built with haptic (force feedback) support
wtf
 
user1804599
9:58 AM
:'(
 
user1804599
Of course, Googling "c++11 cow string" only yields results about COW not being possible in C++11 std::string.
 
user1804599
Guess I'll just implement something in terms of std::shared_ptr<CharT const[]>.
 
Just copy the old libstdc++ implementation?
 
user1804599
It likely has shitloads of incompatible dependencies. I rather not.
 
never used a force feedback joystick
I played starlancer with an usb one though, it was cool
 
10:03 AM
@LucDanton Is charr also a special case
 
Ell
 * Error: circular dependencies:
(dev-lang/mono-4.0.3.20:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) depends on
 (dev-dotnet/libgdiplus-3.12:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (buildtime)
  (dev-lang/mono-4.0.3.20:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (buildtime)
well, well.
 
user1804599
I want this and operators overloaded: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/79a8180f9336a272
 
user1804599
And some more constructors.
 
why the shared
 
user1804599
10:08 AM
To reduce copy overhead.
 
user1804599
I pass around strings a lot.
 
user1804599
But I never modify them.
 
making it constant then
 
allocate it in the static heap stack .bss rodata mappable section
 
user1804599
No.
 
10:18 AM
@GregorMcGregor how would you even do that without writing assembly?
shouldn't the compiler worry about that
 
Tony
That wasn't a serious suggestion
 
figured
 
user1804599
Why would you write an assembler?
 
user1804599
Assemblers already exist and they are of high quality.
 
to assemble things
 
user1804599
10:20 AM
It's also boring to write an assembler.
 
you're boring
 
@Elyse To have an assembler
 
oh wait
no more memes
 
Rebincca Binfriday
 
memes are banned
 
10:23 AM
am I an meme yet
or do I need to try harder
 
your behaviour is a meme
 
do I become an meme if I fax myself on 9gag
 
just don't fight boys
 
@GregorMcGregor you just become an faggit
 
> if I fax myself on 9gag
lel
 
10:25 AM
@Elyse That's forbidden :(
 
what is
 
user1804599
Your butt.
 
@Morwenn dolan of teh rigs
 
user1804599
Working on a project alone is boring. :(
 
Working on a project not alone is also boring
 
10:28 AM
that's because none of your projects hit the market
 
@Mr.kbok Nah, teh lurd of teh reings
 
leh turd of reh teings
 
produce stuff alone or lead a small team to produce stuff that people use is actually fun
 
teamwork is problematic
 
user1804599
So many things left to do.
 
10:32 AM
you have to have tolerance
dealing with people is generally problematic
 
@Mr.kbok RE your deleted message: you mean brits? :p
 
user1804599
Guess I'll do diagnostics first, as that's easy.
 
@GregorMcGregor nope
 
interpreting that as yes
 
user1804599
And also requires making everything a template, and therefore moving everything into a header.
 
user1804599
10:34 AM
Maybe I should use Rust instead of C++.
 
@chmod666telkitty I consider myself very patient but I also like when shit gets done. Also I get the pressure
 
I often find myself wanting to do var value = set[key];
 
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare. In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey, but a metaphor for an abstract device that produces an endless random sequence of letters and symbols. One of the earliest instances of the use of the "monkey metaphor" is that of French mathematician Émile Borel in 1913, but the first instance may be even earlier...
My guess.
 
@chmod666telkitty last friday's runs failed, we don't know why, dude lost the logs
how do you fucking lose a log
 
overwritten by new process
I lost logs like that once
once
 
10:41 AM
@Mr.kbok log does not stay on the server?
 
@Mr.kbok If you're as impulsive as I am that could end up in some crazy shit
 
@GregorMcGregor that's why logs are dated, i.e. orders-09Nov2015.log
 
@Mr.kbok in a fire
 
@LucDanton Dat pun
 
@chmod666telkitty well, mine does. fucking beats me
 
10:43 AM
@Mr.kbok if you got to store porn and need space...
 
so you delete a 4 KB log
 
maybe it was a 1TB log?
 
Who the fuck stores 1 TB porn
 
porn enthusiasts obv
 
@Rerito I'm not, I just fell REALLY tired for a monday morning
 
10:46 AM
weekend is almost there
 
@GregorMcGregor in case the internet ever goes down, gotta have a backup fap plan :P
@Mr.kbok I'm the opposite, I woke up at 5 am this morning and I'm soooo awake
 
I just look at myself in the mirror
 
@TonyTheLion I was numb till I hit the gym. Also up early but at 5.45
 
@TonyTheLion I feel mentally tired you know :D
 
10:49 AM
@Mr.kbok ohh I see
you should take a walk. I find that helps with that kind of tiredness.
 
Yeah. You exchange it for another kind. :P
 
It's like communicating vessels. If the mind is tired, get the body tired and it will get better
 
@Griwes You get physically tired after a 10 or 15 min walk?
 
That doesn't clear one's mind enough. Or at least mine, IDK.
 
@TonyTheLion Short walks also work. Actually any physical activity (tiresome or not), it was just a figure of speech :)
 
10:53 AM
you could always try a cold reboot
 
@GregorMcGregor intracardiac adrenalin shot
 
@GregorMcGregor Does that involve cold beer?
 
@TonyTheLion What about a real woman instead? :)
 
@wilx good plan
need to work on that
 
I like this conversation, it's getting good, waiting for the lion to bounce back on revenge ...
 
10:58 AM
blalbalbal conversation blablablal attempting to annoying people blalbalbla it's my period ababalbalblalabal
who am I
 
your girlfriend?
 

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