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5:09 PM
back from lunch
i had to walk so fucking far to get it
hate that
 
went to the Frig - came back to my seat all of 10 feet
 
Will StackOverflowException bring down an AppDomain or a process?
 
i walked about a mile and a half
both ways
one way was pretty much 90% uphill
not worth it
 
@KendallFrey appdomain i will assume, never tried though
 
WPF question for you good folks
 
5:17 PM
bright part: you don't have to worry about gaining weight for your lunch
 
I assumed the same, but I'm not sure anymore
 
I have a a TabControl with a custom ItemContainerStyle. In that I am trying to set up a context menu. However, I cannot properly bind the Command property on the MenuItem because it's looking to the TabControl's ItemsSource as it's DataContext
 
are you setting the menuItem Context?
 
I have tried using ElementName and RelativeSource in the bind but that always throws a error 4
hmm. I'll try to set that.
@juanvan won't I have the same issue though?
 
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Q: Why does a StackOverflowException in a child AppDomain terminate the parent AppDomain?

Mike ChamberlainI was under the impression that AppDomains are isolated from each other. It seems that in the case of a StackOverException, this isn't the case. To demonstrate the issue, I created a simple console application whose only purpose is to spawn a new AppDomain, into which I load a very simple assem...

 
5:21 PM
set the Context on the Parent - does not have the Vm you want - set the menu to the Context that has it's VM?
 
hello, what is the name of this item group on the left side in visual studio? i.imgur.com/rVUqoTP.png
 
or am i understanding wrong?
 
where you can see the tabs Server Explorer and toolbox
 
I think you might be
@juanvan, the DataContext for the parent (TabControl) is set to the DataContext of the containing window (as it should be), and it's ItemsSource is set to a collection on that DataContext. However, any child elements (the MenuItem) will use the specific item in that collection that the TabItem is using as its DataContext
 
TabItem is the Parent with the Dataconext
 
5:25 PM
Correct, but that DataContext is set to an item in the collection bound to in ItemsSource
 
yay, I get to do research for the rest of the day
also, my mom made donuts
today is a good day
 
recipe!! we don't have donuts here... :(
@KendallFrey ^
 
gonuts for donuts
 
idk, probably mashed potato donuts
 
5:27 PM
google it, better than it sounds
 
Better, I want them now.. Potato anything
 
NICE!
business idea...open a doughnut (apparently thats how its spelled) shop in BsAs...any investors interested?
 
@ton.yeung when you range do you mean you now make 6 figures or are close to making 6 figures
90+?
interesting
 
$99999.99
i knew it!
 
no meaning behind that lol was just interested
was looking at indeed
 
5:34 PM
lol
@ton.yeung but if you like big companies go with dice.com ?
 
did you guys ever apply to a company through stack careers?
or to stack itself?
 
i was going to once...then realized that i'd much rather work for myself a little while longer
 
stack's stack stacks pretty well
 
remove the last apostrophe and its perfect!
 
you're right
 
5:36 PM
;)
food's taking too long...
 
tell it to hurry up
 
not in my country...NOTHING hurries up
 
what country are you in anyway?
 
Has anyone ever heard of a developer making $650k/year salary. I read an article about a RoR dev who claims to make such as senior dev from previously being a PHP dev who went to RoR and within 3 years of working 70-80 hours a week and a lot of business networking got to that salary
 
Argentina
@Alex highest I've seen is a C++ dev in Switzerland at 350K
 
5:39 PM
@Alex no
 
I have adhd, does anyone of you have it?
 
you only really get up there as an executive
or senior architect
650k is NOT worth it
i could hire someone way better for 550k less
 
Why do you say not worth it @Failsafe
 
i couldn't give a shit who he is
 
C++ dev one was for someone with 3 years + of experience, in a bank in Zurich
 
5:40 PM
because its a waste of money
 
its a bad management decision
 
not if the money is going in your bank account, as opposed to going out
 
obviously there will be guys even making 1000k
 
@NicolásCarlo probably the only guy who knew how the integration with the cobol backend worked
 
5:40 PM
lol
 
I have adhd, does anyone of you have it?
but if you are in usa, EVERYTHING will go in fucking taxes
 
any company who pays 650k for a dev is stupid
it doesn't matter who the dev is
 
Id be happy to jump to $130K
 
if you got offered a contract with 650K...would you reject it because they're stupid? @Failsafe
 
lol no
 
5:42 PM
lol
 
like i said, it's a bad management decision
if you hired any other dev at normal prices it would be a shitstorm
especially if other dev's had the same experience
 
Its not bad management
 
why, tell me
 
experience isn't everything though, you have to have the balls to negotiate your contract in your favor
 
5:43 PM
@BrandenBoucher did it wire up?
 
@juanvan nope
 
If the work is really crucial and can impact your company's revenue in millions then you wont care for 500k
 
experience is 90% of your job
 
some people with tons of experience only know how to whine under their breath instead of talking to the folks hiring them
 
if you are not experienced or say you can do things you cant you are not eomployed anymore
employed*
 
5:44 PM
Not in IT
 
im not hiring a senior developer who cant be a senior developer
 
you will figure out eventually
 
i run my own company and have hired people before
you would lose me money @Obviously
 
@Failsafe sure, but two senior developers who are just as good as the other guy can have different salaries based on their negotiation skills, that's what i meant
 
6 figures is easy if you're in SF or Seattle or NY. Elsewhere it might be different
 
5:45 PM
i would have to fire you because you're an asshole
 
@Failsafe yeah at a small company, but in a big corporation, they wont care
 
@Pheonixblade9 I would assume those cities are extremely expensive to live in
 
no big corp is paying 650k for a developer
never
 
@Pheonixblade9 I'm in the DC area. 20 minutes north of DC.
 
5:46 PM
@NicolásCarlo $1500 for a modest 1 bedroom apt in Seattle
 
their biggest objective is "cost effectiveness"
depends on what you do
if you were a PeopleSoft developer sure
you would be upper 290-350
 
@Pheonixblade9 To answer your question from yesterday, I was looking to pair code on some custom SaaS/ and low level AI.
 
a c# developer?
maybe 200 if you were a senior
 
in Lounge<C++>, 13 mins ago, by fredoverflow
@JohanLarsson Eric Lippert -- Sharp Regrets: Top 10 Worst C# Features, should be an interesting read
 
@Alex I know nothing about AI. I know something about SaaS
 
5:48 PM
@Pheonixblade9 If you're up for chatting on it, I and maybe some side pair coding if you're not busy evenings, I'm up for it.
 
If I had to do a career switch, I will try to be a lawyer
You can make millions
 
@BrandenBoucher what does the Document Outline show for the Parent/Child
 
@Obviously You have to be smart for that
 
Charge 700 per hour
for stupid divorce cases
 
yeah, join the other million law school grads unable to get a job
 
5:50 PM
@Pheonixblade9 seriously?
I didnt know that
 
@Pheonixblade9 or go blind, learn echolocation and fight crime
 
brb. Off to a conference call for this $340K software.
 
Then why do lawyers charge that much
 
you could do that too
 
per hour rates for senior .net devs in london reach around £350, for senior lawyers its around £290
senior = 2+ years of experience there
 
5:53 PM
@NicolásCarlo senior is 5-7 here
which i think is too low
but whatever
 
here senior is 10-15 years because people usually stay in the same company for eternity
 
yea should be 10 years
or 7+
and also based on what you have done
 
Last night, I was drunk, ended up texting all the girls in my phone that I have a secret crush on them
 
pizza hut delivery does not count as "all the girls"...
 
Who can explain HTTP.SYS? ELI5 please
Extended version: I have a self-hosted WCF service. How do I determine whether it is "using" HTTP.SYS?
 
6:03 PM
However, if one or more of the following conditions are true, HTTP.sys does not cache the request response:
The request is not an anonymous request.
The request requires authentication. (For example, the request contains an Authorization: header.)
The website is configured to use a footer.
Dynamic compression is enabled and is used for the response.
Note Static compression can be used with HTTP.sys caching.
The static file is a Universal Naming Convention (UNC) file and the DoDirMonitoringForUnc registry key is not enabled.
 
I'm not too interested in caching, mainly port sharing
Is HTTP.SYS running on my machine? How do I know?
 
just goto cmd and type in net stop http, if it really stops it, that means you had it running
 
I didn't say I want to stop it
give me a pure function
 
No, your code will be like your mom.
 
makes me donuts?
I like
 
6:18 PM
just type in netsh http and find a command that won't blow your computer
 
@KendallFrey dirty
 
my personal favorite is
netsh http delete all
 
@KendallFrey - Your mom makes homemade donuts?
 
#jelly
 
6:31 PM
If you have to hire a software development manager, what top four qualities will you care for?
 
@TravisJ nope, chocolate frosted
 
!!urban jelly
 
@TravisJ jelly Being jealous, or hating
 
^ the former
 
I knew what you meant
 
6:33 PM
I figured, but then I unfigured and had to link.
 
@JohanLarsson this is an interesting read
 
What ports does HTTP.SYS use?
 
25,53,80,443,389,115,143
458
20
 
I have two apps apparently running on 8002
HTTP.SYS?
 
i honestly just listed port numbers for anything web related
 
6:45 PM
die
 
lol
!!google hhtp.sys port numbers
!!google http.sys port numbers
 
Server error (status 500) occured (message probably too long)
 
google is useless today
 
check that link
its on port sharing
might be useless might not be
 
http.sys is going to listen to almost any port if you ask it to listen to
 
6:52 PM
angular is to interdependent on the dom
:(
im seeing
 
@Failsafe - that is one of my main qualms
 
like
everytime you load a page it pings JS constantly
that would eat your battery
 
@Failsafe - From the first day angular was like, choose one:
1) Dynamic html
2) angular
 
hella fast
 
pings js?
 
6:55 PM
i kind of just chose a word
uh
 
@Failsafe Thanks, I'm learning stuff now
 
How is my profile pic?
 
Is that you?
 
You look like a fractal
 
or like shit in the process of getting blown up
 
7:06 PM
@Squiggle the thing is, I wasn't making a joke
 
@ton.yeung im still interested hurry up
just fake a critical something and walk out
 
Yeah, just fall out of your chair and slowly rock back and forth holding your knee occasionally going "aaaahh.... esssss"
 
i agree
 
directory: "What % of the project is finished?" PM: "We have no idea, we have no target or goals at all." DAFUQ!
 
Trying to measure development in percentage is a mistake
 
7:18 PM
One must have goals if one wants to accomplish success. However, with no goals, there can be no failure.
 
@KendallFrey Having no goals whatsoever may be a bigger clusterfuck than how they measure development
 
indeed
 
With no goals, there can be no failure. My life's motto
 
@Failsafe yet you think hiring an expensive dev is bad management?
 
Woah I said my life motto not my companies motto
 
7:23 PM
lol
 
My companies motto is "Fuck you pay me"
 
what movie is that from?
 
!!google fuck you pay me
 
pff, can't believe i didn't remember that movie -_-
 
7:30 PM
@KendallFrey The first 90% is easy, the second 90% is hard.
 
@MikeAsdf Math checks out
 
But that leaves 100% of the remaining 1%.
90% + 90% = 99%. Clearly.
 
so... how do you guys handle being forced to write leaky code?
its kinda making me sad...
 
@Pheonixblade9 - I haven't had to deal with that, but I think I would probably handle it really well. I would just code cowboy the whole mess and when it is a state that resembles success I move on and let the next person deal with it.
 
@TravisJ well, problem is, I'm being micromanaged all to hell
 
7:40 PM
tell the bastards that its going to suck balls, then write it anyway when they keep insisting...document it and then blame the bastards later with a nice big, "I told you so" note
 
e.g. "don't move the routes to Attributes, leave them in the RouteConfig because God forbid someone in this org learn something new"
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Not to rain on the parade here, but I don't like route attributes.
 
@TravisJ you like a 300+ line RouteConfig file more?
 
No, my route config has like 6 lines.
 
exactly. they have custom paths that they defined in the spec that we need to follow
 
7:42 PM
MVC convention is setup to work so well there shouldn't be a need to be explicit that often.
 
changing them is not an option
yeah, if I was on a project that didn't suck hairy donkey balls, that would be an option
 
lol
 
So it appears by default that an AppDomain isn't isolated enough to prevent e.g. StackOverflowException from taking down the entire process. Is there a good way to isolate these without splitting into multiple processes?
 
one of my projects I thought "to hell with EF conventions I'm going to be explicit about EVERYTHING in my DBContext file"...bad decision
 
@KendallFrey Thread.sleep
 
7:44 PM
wat even
 
@Pheonixblade9 - I use areas also.
 
just don't create that damn exception
 
They all basically look like this:
    public class DataAreaRegistration : AreaRegistration
    {
        public override string AreaName
        {
            get
            {
                return "Data";
            }
        }

        public override void RegisterArea(AreaRegistrationContext context)
        {
            context.MapRoute(
                "Data_default",
                "Data/{controller}/{action}/{id}",
                new { action = "Index", id = UrlParameter.Optional }
That is the extent of time I spend on routing
It was auto-generated.
 
Why is no one helpful to me :(
What did I do to deserve this? Besides everything, I mean
 
7:49 PM
@TravisJ oh, to be young and innocent and not have a 120 page spec that changes daily with no notice
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Yeah, documentation that is 120 pages long? Is that the code for the global DNS routing system?
 
@Pheonixblade9 is it for a nuclear plant something?
 
@TravisJ no, that's the spec for one component of I think... six that we're implementing
 
Jeex
 
have I mentioned I'm looking for a new job? lol
 
7:52 PM
How many views are there total in the component?
 
it's a WebAPI
 
@Pheonixblade9 once or twice x1000
 
there are 6 API endpoints
 
How many actionresults are there?
 
7:52 PM
6!!
for 120 pages?
 
ermagawd
 
so
 
@Pheonixblade9 at least you have some written spec... :(
 
each actionresult has 20 pages
 
7:53 PM
there's an old version
 
of docs
 
Can anyone suggest a canonical question/answer for "I mocked an object and it doesn't perform some behavior that the actual implementation does. Why not?"
 
we need to support going from the old version to the new version, and the new version to the old version
it's also not a 1:1 relationship
 
I have 86 action results.. still works on the conventional routing that comes simply out of the box
 
Is there a way to add custom commands to Win10's Start Menu context menus?
 
7:54 PM
@TravisJ it's because I'm micromanaged and being told how to design my shit by FAs
FAs should say "this is what I need it to do" not "this is how you should do it"
 
@PatrickQuirk - I don't think I have seen something like that
 
@ton.yeung so you finally hit 6 figures?
 
@ton.yeung well im still interested
 
@ton.yeung - lol
 
@TravisJ Me either... I just see questions like this on the Moq tag every day...
 
7:55 PM
damn, so close yet so far!
 
it's really difficult when I can't even explain to my gf why I had a difficult day
lol
 
lol nice!
 
@Pheonixblade9 just tell her, these nuts sucked
 
yeah
I just feel like a douche being like "you wouldn't understand..."
 
its not hard to explain to my wife that "my boss is an asshole"
 
7:56 PM
yeah
 
directives man
 
my boss isn't an asshole, he's just as annoyed at the project as I am
he's just given up on writing good code I guess, lol
 
"my boss's boss is an asshole who doesn't understand shit about programming"
 
it still insults me when I'm told to make bad technical decisions
 
@TravisJ may have more reasons than i do
 
7:57 PM
nah, it's more like... I'm a consultant that is working on someone else's shitty code and I only have limited time and resources and they won't let me change very much
and it's just going to make the technical debt worse
 
technical debt has technical interest
 
lol oh, good luck explaining technical debt to your gf
 
@pheonixblade9 I can understand that. One of the applications I work on the manager bills himself as a developer but he's not so much and he constantly makes contributions to code without talking to the rest of us or verifying it before he does it.
 
"why did your day suck?" "everything I wrote was technical debt"
13
 
7:59 PM
@Pheonixblade9 bright part, more jobs to do and more billable hours
 
"imagine if every time you made a shot of espresso, if you took 20 seconds to do it, it would always take 20 seconds, but you could choose to pull a shot in 10 seconds... but every time you did it, it made the next shot take 0.1 seconds longer to pull"
@tweray nope, I'm limited to 40hr/week
 
@Pheonixblade9 oh my god this
 
@Pheonixblade9 i mean, some future billable hours for you or somebody else
 

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