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Ell
11:00 PM
Hmm beep does not produce an audible beep.
 
@nick lol I've had a subtle masculine inferiority complex for most of my childhood. It can mean a lot to people.
 
Ell
@sehe wasn't it hairspray?
 
cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp will produce audible things
 
@Ell GOOD MORNING, BALTIMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
11:01 PM
@Ell surprisingly, no
 
@VermillionAzure go lift or something
 
@nick lol, I said as a child
 
that'll put some hair on your chest fukboi
i see
 
@nick I have hair in a lot of places, more than you need to know.
 
implying you're not a child
ah true, i probably don't need to know
 
11:02 PM
@VermillionAzure in the shower pit
 
@VermillionAzure Can't have more hair than a koala.
 
@Nooble But the question is: do you have hair up your ass (yet)?
 
easily. Koalas are poor wookies
 
@sehe And what are polar bears?
 
parents just didn't feed em enough when they were young
 
11:03 PM
@VermillionAzure Dunno.
 
@VermillionAzure i shall refer you to my brazilian wax specialist
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked "static if, the good parts"
 
@nick I'm sure a massage will get rid of all of my spunky hair, yes.
 
Xeo
But really, that proposal is all I ever wanted static if to be
 
@Xeo What makes concepts and static_if so powerful, anyways
 
Xeo
11:04 PM
just allow me to conditionally have something compiled in our out based on not just preprocessor values, but metaprogramming values too.
 
Ell
Bjarne is worried about misuse, right?
 
I like that I can use if statements on compile-time constants inside a function body and know that the other branch will not exist in the runtime code. However, it's annoying that the else branch is compiled and can trigger compiler errors.
 
@VermillionAzure brazilian wax isn't a massage..
 
I just wish templates weren't hit with the ugly stick throughout their design. They should sue for ugly abuse.
 
@Ell Which is ridiculous, given that there's nothing in the universe more misused than templates.
"oh, noes, people will do loops with static_if"
...
 
11:06 PM
We should have done an opt-in interface system like concepts has from the beginning and destroyed templates.
 
I agree mostly with Bjarne on disallowing static_if in the form it was originally proposed, it's just this point is laughable.
 
@VermillionAzure The pre-98 template syntax was cleaner.
 
templates before C++98?
 
Yeah.
Before standardization.
 
I'm curious, do you have a link to the description or sth?
 
Ell
11:12 PM
I have never needed static if personally
But I'm not a proper metaprogrammer
 
@Nooble Rich wookies.
 
@Ell And nor has anyone else
 
@JerryCoffin Are there middle-class wookies?
 
i think they would just be wookies
 
Ah I see.
 
11:19 PM
@Puppy lol yes
 
@Nooble No, but there are some medium-quality wookie cookies, if you know where to shop.
 
It's amazing how people look at template metaprogramming as this mysterious creature of nature that only wizards can tame.
 
it can get messy
 
@VermillionAzure I look at most of it more as ugly syntax I prefer to avoid when I can.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't like it either.
It's ridiculous.
 
11:21 PM
@JerryCoffin Do they have medium-sized medium-quality wookie cookies?
 
@VermillionAzure how is it ridiculous?
 
indubitably
 
@Veritas It has a steep learning curve. It has secondary benefits. There is no real need to learn it or apply it in general cases, and the specific cases are not necessarily suited to low-level programming as I understand it.
I... don't know why'd you use it unless you're going for heavier optimization
 
Erm, semantic?
 
Or, you know, being a Boost wizard.
 
@Nooble They're more wookie sized.
 
Woops, you almost got me there cinch. Well played.
 
dammit, coliru doesn't respond
come on ruby!
 
@StackedCrooked wha... what is it?
@Jefffrey wut r u tlkn abt
 
  TID  PRIO  USER     DISK READ  DISK WRITE  SWAPIN     IO>    COMMAND
 9383 be/4 root      312.23 K/s    0.00 B/s  0.00 % 67.58 % svn st
    1 be/4 root        0.00 B/s    0.00 B/s  0.00 %  0.00 % init
 
11:26 PM
@VermillionAzure I used it in my last project. Basically it allows you to do things like this: hastebin.com/ihekilakat.cpp
 
@VermillionAzure That's fairly simple and understandable, compared to the typical deep template magic
 
evil svn
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I have an itch to emulate it now :3
 
enable_if can be used. of tag-dispatch
 
@StackedCrooked Most likely you'll want to use typical dispatching again once you add more cases or you'll plan this interface to be extendable.
 
11:28 PM
yeah
 
But yes, for simple functions it's more readable
and avoids repeating yourself
 
"simple functions" is redundant
Functions should be simple
 
@milleniumbug Remember: to iterate is human. To recurse, divine.
 
semplici funzioni
 
@Jefffrey So you claim that all functions are exactly as they should be?
 
11:30 PM
@StackedCrooked also, what are you trying to do with that?
write as underlying type?
 
@JerryCoffin hahahahaha this riposte: "Try recursing to find the nth Fibonacci number instead of iterating. You'll find only God can do it ;)"
 
@VermillionAzure I wanted to build a typed C++ layer on top of an RPC.
enum with underlying type int32_t would be serialized as int32_t.
It ended up being monster file with many overloads. But it was cool :P
 
@StackedCrooked Funzioni semplici
 
@milleniumbug I can do it just fine (for small enough n, or when using Haskell).
 
yo mama e semplici
 
11:33 PM
@JerryCoffin Shit. I have to I guess. Otherwise I become incoherent, which is worse than being wrong.
 
*semplice
 
@JerryCoffin Hi! :)
 
@Borgleader Hello.
 
@JerryCoffin How are you?
 
11:34 PM
Any programming video worth watching that came out in the last 6 months?
 
@Jefffrey livecoding.tv/sehe/
 
Don't watch programming videos
They talk too slow compared to what you can read in this time
 
@milleniumbug the hell you talking about, STL talks at 30% lightspeed
 
@Borgleader Not bad. Things are finally settling down after the move--got Internet connection hooked up today (well, was technically connected yesterday, but quit working after a couple hours, so they had to come back and straighten things out this morning).
 
IOW the most valuable thing about programming videos are the transcripts so you can avoid watching the video
4
 
11:35 PM
@milleniumbug My inner voice is not as charming as theirs.
 
and read the thing in 10 minutes instead of 45 minutes
 
@Jefffrey I'm tempted to give a talk sometime, just to prove this wrong.
 
Ell
I like hearing Andrei speak
 
@JerryCoffin Oh cool! So you live close to work now?
 
@Borgleader Not (nearly) as close as I did--now commuting ~30 miles a day.
 
11:40 PM
jesus
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm thats not so bad, right now I 40KM/25miles, but I do so in public transport :P
 
@Ell He has a pleasant accent.
 
@Borgleader lol in my experience public transportation takes like 5x longer than just driving
 
@Ell I find him entertaining which helps because he usually speaks about hard topics (imo)
ymmv
 
not to mention all the waiting
 
11:43 PM
Is there a way to run more than one command in a .bat file when opening a new window?
 
That's an XY question
 
It's good to rewatch the talks.
@DemCodeLines you run bat files while opening windows?
you monster
 
I have this start cmd /k cd C:\project & npm start but that does execute npm start after navigating into C:\project
 
use std::async
 
@Borgleader It's not terrible, but I did prefer the ~7 miles/day I used to drive...
 
11:45 PM
oh wait
 
try putting the "cd whatever" into quotes?
 
Ell
I wonder who's voice I'd like to listen to out of the lounge
 
no, that's wrong
 
Ell
I know I like @sehe s voice
 
@Ell s/who's/whose/
 
11:46 PM
@DemCodeLines Well duh
 
The Who's voice.
 
@Ell Mumble mumble mumble.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin oops yes my bad
 
@Ell tsss
 
probably mine
 
Ell
11:47 PM
I am a shame :(
 
@Ell @Scott's
 
@Nooble's.
 
@Nooble Oh, you!
 
@StackedCrooked "Who was Pete Townsend?" How about "Programming languages that don't suck" for $1000 now Alex?
 
do we have any scottish or irish lads in here
 
11:48 PM
@nick @thecoshman, I think (Noobel back me up)
 
Ell
I could listen to @TonyTheLion do a talk as well
 
@thecoshman get on mumble you hear me old chap i swear on me mum
 
@nick Perhaps. We definitely have some skittish and baus lads though.
 
bauses like me right
 
@nick bauses hate you (but don't feel too badly--they hate everybody).
 
11:53 PM
i'll find one and tell him to say it to my face m8
pfft sometimes i forget to switch off my CS chat personality
 
@GeorgePerry excuse me ... wat
 
please don't deport me mister trump
so lads how do you feel about Objective-C categories?
 
They're just like C# extension methods, move along, nothing to see here
 

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