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12:01 AM
so typical of microsoft to copy apple
 
so typical of nick to troll lounge
Also I doubt they ripped them off, or that the Apple came up with this themselves
 
unified call syntax kinda emulates adding methods to an existing class.
 
Unified call syntax fixes the problem that the language designers wouldn't have had if they had only one call syntax :P
 
right
methods are so useless.
 
@StackedCrooked ??
 
12:06 AM
can't forward declare a method.
 
Copying and pasting the signatures from declaration to definition is more annoying in member functions than free functions.
"...damn, I have to remove the KlassName:: again"
 
@milleniumbug They didn't. Objective C was originally invented primarily by Brad Cox.
 
Ell
Not sure how I feel about UCS
I wish we had native multi methods as well
 
Alright... Got my 8TB hard drive...
 
w00t
Are there HDDs that big?
 
12:15 AM
when are you launching your cloud service?
 
@Mysticial remind me again why you need so much space? something about keeping track of all the pies you eat?
 
Anime
I need to backup my 2 x 4 TB of Anime.
I left my existing backups at home. And I'm gonna keep them there as an off-site backup.
So in case Chicago gets nuked, my Anime will survive at home.
 
And you wont be alive to watch it. A+, great plan.
 
if only you could eat anime
 
@Borgleader A+, would be nuked again
 
12:19 AM
@Borgleader i think the idea is folks will find it in 500 years and there will be some kind of anime renaissance
 
@nick It'll be more than 500 years, but the cross-bred descendants of termites and cockroaches will hail it as a new peak of hubris class, style, and culture.
 
@milleniumbug anytime
 
@JerryCoffin spongebob will probably be their favorite anime
 
12:36 AM
Jul 9 at 9:37, by chmod 711 telkitty
Someone suggested that Greece should sell couple of islands to Germany, Bill Gates, Trump & probably Putin in order to pay the debt. I think this is a doable idea ... with an option to buy it back at sometimes in the future
 
@nick Spongebob is great.
 
What's the capital of Greece?
$0.
 
Am I not such a genius :p
 
Athens
 
12:37 AM
@milleniumbug My poor joke.
Ha, unintentional pun.
Well would you look at the time!
 
Oh, I see
 
@ScottW Where are you?
 
@Nooble Clearly, abandoning the Mumble.
 
@jaggedSpire Heresy.
 
I would buy Santorini in a heartbeat
 
12:40 AM
@Nooble Or if you tell someone else, hearsay.
 
how much do you think it would cost? i think i got a couple grand
 
@jaggedSpire :P
@nick If you got it on Amazon Prime day, maybe $15.
 
@nick That sounds about right for one of the most popular tourist destinations in the country.
 
@Nooble No free shipping though.
 
I got amazon prime, no sweat
 
12:41 AM
I am now imagining the box Amazon would use to ship Santorini.
The mind boggles
 
probably they'd just put me in a box and ship me there
after all, time and space is all relative
 
@nick They wouldn't be able to afford a box.
@JerryCoffin Free shipping but those sneaky bastards just add it to the cost.
"Free".
 
@jaggedSpire I'm imagining the ship they'd use to box Santorini.
 
@Nooble well their costs are lower since they have a distributed inventory
 
> Once you stop doing functional programming, you never return.
 
12:44 AM
@nick In an inside-out box. Now Santorini is in your box, and you can see it when you open it at its destination.
 
@Nooble it was kind of the other way around for me
@jaggedSpire my brain broke trying to comprehend
 
@nick Whoosh. (Think of "return" in context here...)
 
i see
 
@nick The second to last joke here
 
12:47 AM
@JerryCoffin I did love that passage
 
@jaggedSpire I think a better title would be Academic Jokes
 
@nick Possibly STEM jokes, with a side of Liberal Arts mocking.
 
true
 
@jaggedSpire I'm glad relieved to hear it.
 
@JerryCoffin The trilogy was pretty much required reading in my house, growing up.
 
12:54 AM
@jaggedSpire What's the point of being smart, if not to mock liberal arts?
 
^^ Damn
 
@Mysticial Wow!
 
@jaggedSpire have you read the Quantum Thief trilogy by any chance?
 
@Mysticial Is that good?
I suppose for HDDs.
 
@nick No. Do tell.
 
12:57 AM
I like my SSD :D
 
@Nooble For HDs it's insane. But that's kinda expected for 8TB density.
It doesn't need to be 7200RPM to get fast sequential speeds.
 
@jaggedSpire its by a pretty new writer
funny, very sci-fi
and beautiful
i cri everytim
 
@Mysticial I want an 8 TB, 15,000 RPM drive... :-)
 
it'll be confusing at first but so is hitchhiker's guide
 
@nick HHTTG isn't confusing at all.
 
1:00 AM
@JerryCoffin the first chapter or so definitely is
actually, i dunno
 
Dayyyum, clang finishes so fast!
 
@nabijaczleweli cried his girlfriend in despair
5
 
admittedly my fourth grade teacher was the one who put me on hitchhiker's so I don't remember too much
 
@nick Clear, simple and straightforward if you ask me.
 
@Borgleader :D
 
1:01 AM
haha
had to star
 
@nick Ha! You didn't have to. You just wanted to because you're a cruel bastard product of patriarchal rape culture!
 
i blame society
 
You included then
 
i have patriarchal rape culture disorder and i don't appreciate you judging me for it
 
@nick So tempting to do the "In Soviet Russia..." meme, especially since in this case it would probably be pretty accurate.
 
1:14 AM
@JerryCoffin but you won't because you are a mature gentleman and a respected member of this community
and we frown upon such low-level humour
 
@nick I won't--but only because I'm too lazy.
@nick In that case, I may reconsider...
 
i have that problem too
i blame society
 
@nick Here the reversal would fit better with "In capitalistic US..."
 
how dare you assume i'm American?
 
@nick No more than I assume you're Russian.
 
1:20 AM
Lounge is the reason I get nothing done ever
 
@nick Mission accomplished!
 
1:51 AM
Lounge<void*++>
 
I don't understand why they picked rowsXcolumns as the default for matrices
 
yeah fuck that
 
(x, y)/(column, row) is so much more intuitive
 
One day I want to understand matrices intuitively. Like... I want to be able to understand how rotation matrices work. and why they're set up the way they are (not just learn exactly where to put each formula) same for view and projection matrices
inb4 @Rapptz says its all really easy
 
Everything is easy once you got it
 
2:05 AM
keep struggling
maybe it will help :P
 
@StackedCrooked not if math is like mental quicksand =/
I wish there was an analogy as good as this one for imaginary numbers, but for matrices
(if you havent seen that its worth watching/reading imo)
alrighty, bed time, ttyal
 
2:26 AM
bed time too, bye
 
anyone here familiar with project euler?
 
Nope.
 
2:42 AM
Hmm... I just ran the numbers. A Haswell 4790K with 16 of those 8TB Seagate Archive drives is sufficient to run Pi to 20 trillion digits. I'd estimate 3 - 6 months assuming no hardware failures.
 
I'm doing reverse engineering again.
 
my website is down, the provider is not responding to my request
 
I think I might be under-estimating the time a bit though. The bandwidth from 8 x 8TB drives isn't that high.
2.4 GB/s isn't enough. So maybe 6 months - a year.
 
@Mysticial Do you do check-pointing to account for hardware failure?
 
Yeah
 
2:53 AM
@Mysticial Hey, If I want to benchmark my fancy 12 core system what should I set your number cruncher program to compare to?
 
Benchmark Pi (option 0)
Run all the sizes that will fit in memory.
 
Okay I got Pi: 25.185 seconds
 
How many digits?
 
Decimal Digits: 250,000,000
 
2:57 AM
Umm, is there a way to submit my results?
Also running teamviewer probably scewed them a few seconds :-)
 
Shoot me an email with the validation file.
 
Do you have an MPI version :-) I might still have my old login at Cray
 
lol no
But...
If the system has shared memory with automatic page-migration, then the program "theoretically" might not suck since page-migration emulates hierarchical cache and the program uses cache-obvious algorithms.
 
Sounds like SGI, we didn't like SGI for buying the company, then running it into the ground. Also NUMA is a dirty West Coast thing. HPC people don't have a problem with having a graduate student spend 5 years writing fine MPI tuning.
 
NUMA is terrible for the program.
Neither Windows nor out-of-the-box Ubuntu does page migration.
 
3:05 AM
Wait, don't you need NUMA do page migration?
 
The program's behavior on NUMA is a bit better now than it used to be.
 
go back to moldova you whore
 
I have reports that the program gets 80% speed-up going from 2-socket to 4-socket Haswell.
Even though the program isn't designed for NUMA. It seems the program is optimized well enough such that the Hyperthreading can eat all the cache misses.
 
I'm having a bad day and don't know how to feel better.
 
@Rapptz drinking
 
3:09 AM
I don't drink.
 
@Mikhail lol single-core
 
> CPU Utilization: 99.795 %
 
@Rapptz Yeah, most of it was teamviewer!
CPU Utilization: 1576.883 %
 
lol
 
@Mysticial Have you ever tried to build your code with icc?
 
3:22 AM
The binary that you ran was compiled with ICC15.
 
3:42 AM
We should go tot he Java room and talk about Scala
 
4:03 AM
 
4:17 AM
Maybe the C++ language would work better if we had more implicit moves? How do we get rid of the move required by the following container? auto item = std::move(q.front());
 
4:30 AM
@Mikhail How would you make your intent clear to discern between cases where item should be move constructed and where it should be copy-constructed?
 
lazy first idea, maybe a keyword called unique ?
 
@Mikhail Maybe. I'd prefer a different accessor, though, as much as that might increase the complexity of interfaces.
 
I wonder if copy construction is special? I mean most of time we do things with const ref&, only rarely do we do otherfoo=foo, and we might as well just do otherfoo=foo.clone()... What did the brilliant minds at Rust come up with?
 
I can't really help you there. My familiarity with Rust is distinctly lacking.
 
4:47 AM
@Mikhail Speak for yourself friend.
 
5:13 AM
It's weird how I couldn't connect to Stack Overflow for a while. Other SE sites are okay.
 
I'm fucking tired
 
@Mikhail clone() is the 'smart', user-definable copy in Rust indeed. foo = bar syntax etc. means trivial assignment or copy/move construction (in C++ terms).
 
Hello Everyone
Anybody from Canada?
 
5:28 AM
I'm not going to sleep
I woke up early
 
5:48 AM
Some food for thought.
Had I decided to go to bed earlier tonight, I might not be alive:
 
lol flag
@Mysticial Whoah.
 
I decided to one more gaming run before I slept.
And I smelled something behind me...
And my storage workstation was on fire.
 
How'd you manage that?
 
Happened to one of our uni laboratory server computers. My brother noticed fire literally blazing from one of the SATA power wires. Fried both mobo and PSU I think.
 
I have no idea. That cable had been running fine for 8 months.
I think it's the molex -> SATA adapter that couldn't handle the draw of 4 drives.
 
5:52 AM
Short circuit perhaps?
Though that wouldn't make much sense if you don't constantly move drives around.
@Mysticial Oh.
I thought you're using it for one...
 
My dad suggests it could be one of the hard drives dying catastrophically. So it shorts in the hard drive and the extra current melts the power cable.
 
Extra current can't melt [...]
@Mysticial That's really the problem with PC components: no circuit breakers in/along them.
 
I'm pretty sure it's the molex cable that couldn't handle it.
Whatever the case it. No more daisy chaining of power cables for me.
I'm gonna get a dedicated PSU for the external HD rack.
 
You have a smoke detector right?
 
At least don't let it through molex -> SATA.
@Nooble Yes. His nose.
 
5:58 AM
@MarkGarcia Yeah. The only reason why I'm using molex is because I ran out of SATA cables from the modular PSU.
 
@MarkGarcia Very high-tech indeed.
 
@Mysticial Mostly from what I've seen of them they're quite flimsy and have very thin wires.
 
^^ That's the HD setup. The bottom power cable melted.
You can't see the right side though, but the 4-way SATA power goes through the molex, and into a modular modex plug from the PSU.
The good thing is that cable is suspended in midair. So nothing else got burned.
 
3
A: What is the maximum power consumption of a Seagate Barracuda ES.2 SATA 3Gb/s 1TB Hard Drive?

calibanAccording to the ES.2 Data Sheet (PDF link in the middle of the page), the typical power draw is 11.6 W for SATA and 12.5 W for Serial-Attached SCSI. Give it a +30% safety buffer, and you would be looking at about 15W per drive, which means that for five of these drives, it will be 75W.

I don't think it could handle ~60W.
 
I remember doing the math and it was rated for was should've been 3 drives. I thought pushing it to 4 would be okay.
Apparently not.
60W is 5A @ 12 volts.
Molex is supposed to handle 5A.
I think my drives probably pull more than that.
 
6:09 AM
It spiked to 5.01 A and shit happened.
 
They're saying ~14-18-ish watts when running. It wasn't spinning up at the time.
That's 72W assuming the upper-bound. That's 6A on the molex.
I don't think going over the spec by a mere 20% is enough to melt it.
So if there's no defect or loose connection, it was probably being worn out over time.
 
It's probably melting through slowly all this time.
 
Tomorrow, I need to go through the task of checking to see if the 4 drives are still alive.
They're good drives. I hope I didn't lose them.
 
Why is that PC on anyway?
That's a lot of power consumption in the drives, even if idle.
 
I ordered a new SATA controller with my 8TB drive. So I was burn-in testing the card with a 100b pi run overnight.
 
6:15 AM
> burn-in
lol
 
lol
 
It worked!
 
The drives on the melted cable were not hooked up to the new SATA card.
I have two identical cards (I bought a 2nd one to pair with the first). Each can hold 8 drives.
The run I was doing had 8 drives on the old card. 4 drives on the new card. And 5 drives on the mobo.
 
6:42 AM
I wonder what you do with 8TB. I can't even fill 1TB
 
He fills it with p... pi!
 
@MarkGarcia What kind of pi
 
HDD platters sprinkled with EM charges.
 
@MarkGarcia oh, my favorite is the spanky kind
it likes to scream when it's called a certain name over and over again
 
user1804599
6:58 AM
Is it possible to configure Linux to asynchronously preload some shared objects at boot?
 

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