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12:03 PM
@Antti Nice answer there on relative imports
 
Cᴀʙʙᴀɢᴇ
 
C̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟A̡͊͠͝BBA̡͊͠͝GȆ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝
 
I suspect that the OP didn't really understand this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/29986222/4014959
 
For God's sake! That is a tuple, not a list. And don't name your variables as list as they shadow the builtin — Bhargav Rao 28 mins ago
:D
 
yaah :D
@PM2Ring cbg
 
12:09 PM
@AnttiHaapala Yaaay!
 
@PM2Ring some cv-pls above
 
@AnttiHaapala Ok.
 
Rhubarb
 
You've been busy weeding out those old crap questions, Antti!
 
12:14 PM
Serious Talk - Need a talk title for Nidaba. Room Ownership* to someone who comes up with a good title. [* Definitely not a lie]
5
 
lol :D
what do you mean by "talk title"
 
I'm doing a talk on Nidaba, need a title for it.
My brief is "a talk on a complex problem" so I've decided to do it on Nidabadabadaba
 
Nidaba - Sumerian goddess of writing
So we gotta think of a better one?
 
writing, learning, and the harvest.
 
That's not bad :/ I may use something along those lines if I don't get a better one.
 
12:18 PM
Coincidence - Even Hindus have a godess of writing, learning, and the harvest
:)
 
Bonus points for some excellent punnery btw.
 
How dare anyone rewrite on my edit!!! :D
 
Antti: That crazy SHA1 question's a classic :) stackoverflow.com/questions/14034182/…
 
@BhargavRao you forgot to add "Any help is appreciated" obviously
@PM2Ring ... maybe, but it is not something I'd want to read on a professional site, TheDailyWTF on the other hand...
 
12:24 PM
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, that's what I meant - classic TheDailyWTF material.
 
Thinking bout nice titles, One of the project titles of my guide was KM with KM
 
Project Nidaba: Should have developed it in KevinScript
Project Nidaba: Moar cv-pls
 
Project Nidaba: Screw the OP
 
@AnttiHaapala Close that as the dupe of your answer! :D
 
12:28 PM
lol
yeah considering that :d
 
Project Nidaba: I was promised this crap would be easy
 
Project Nidaba: Want dupes, Call me
 
Project Nidaba: Screw it, let's just close everything
 
Project Nidaba: Well that cved quickly
 
On the topic of mob mentality and why we can't have nice things
 
12:31 PM
What framework are ya guys using on the sopython site for css?
 
Project Nidaba: I wonder if this will get me a job at SE
@Bhargav Bootstrap.
 
Speaking of WTF:
First, because I'm not familiar with a list comprehension, so I never use it elsewhere, and I want my code to be consequent. Second, yes indeed, but maybe I formulated it wrong, I wanted to know why it didn't work and how I could fix it. Third, thank you that was my mistake, to not use (). — Materials 26 mins ago
 
Nidaba - Artificial intelligence to terminate the repwhores and help vampires.
 
Project Nidaba - Using ML to help with getting easy rep moderation
 
Project Nidaba - You are dead if you cannot MCVE
 
12:33 PM
@Ffisegydd Disciples of Nidaba?
 
Project Nidaba: MCVE or DIE!
 
Project Nidaba - Wow. Such webscale. Much learning.
 
Project Nidaba - all your stat are belong to us?
 
Project Nidaba - My ML brings all the questions to be closed because they're like "Give me teh codez!"
Ooooooh snap that even rhymes!
 
12:37 PM
Project Nidaba: Traceback or GTFO
 
As fun as these are, I need an actual title that I can use for an interview presentation :P
 
@Ffisegydd We need a Nidaba Song tooo !!!
 
The official sopython room song is "Anaconda" by Nicki Minaj
 
The official Nidaba Rap song?
 
FYI that video may be slightly inappropriate for work.
 
12:41 PM
raising the bar with machine learning
 
@Antti that's actually very good. Congratulations you are now a Room Owner! Yaaaaaaay!
 
Machine-learning to moderate an online community
 
Finally found the Nidaba theme song
 
@WayneConrad Nidaba!
 
12:44 PM
That's who the project was named after
 
Sweet
 
Cabbage
 
Some more WTF:
Why do you have a list of single-element dictionaries? — jonrsharpe 3 hours ago
I have a list since my keys can be like 'This is some key' or 'This is a totally useless key'. — DevAno1 3 hours ago
 
Haystack overflow?: Finding needles using data analysis and machine learning: Project Nidaba
 
or fishing for pearls in sand
 
12:51 PM
morning friends. Another exciting day of JS
 
@corvid wrong room :D
 
I ask my inane questions to python regardless of the language. They're usually so obtuse that language is inconsequential
 
Ha - just exercising the weird penchant for stretched puns that you seem to develop as an academic
 
@JRichard I quite like "Finding needles using machine learning" as the comparison to "needle in a haystack" is obvious but not in your face, and the idea of bad posts being nasty (needles) is a good comparison.
 
hmm it is really "pearl hunting" in English, but "pearl fishing" in Finnish
 
12:55 PM
@Ffisegydd Why thank you, sir, good to know my poetic side is not wasted
 
gems from gravel
 
Or even just pearling
 
It's still a bit stretched, if something more punchy comes to mind, I'll let you know
I know a good song about pearl fishing.
Or rather about pearl fishermen, really.
 
the Finnish verb for hunt is derived from forest so it is analogous to "to forest", not so much applicable to finding pearls
 
There's a hunting clearing in the forest analogy begging there, but I think presenting in Finnish might be a stretch...
 
12:58 PM
Antti what does "Korpiklaani" mean in Finnish? I assume the second part is "Clan"
 
Pearl fishermen youtube.com/watch?v=oz7j953Nf5s I did like All About Eve back in the day. Deeply unfashionably.
 
yes it is, korpi is a specific type of marsh/swampland with conifer trees, actually spruce...
korpi can also be used to mean "backlands"
 
well that is awfully specific for such a short word... korpiklaani is one of my favorite bands, wish I could understand their lyrics though
 
@corvid if you google for korpi, you'd get only pics of the figure skater Kiira Korpi
 
Oooo I wanna go there. But Finland and Scandanavia area sooo expensive
 
1:05 PM
Any helps for this question : stackoverflow.com/questions/29977738/…
 
@tryeverylanguage how can you get it even import in Python 3.4 is beyond my understanding
that library is clearly written for 2.7 only (the except syntax)
 
Yes that was a misatke
 
Just had a listen to Korpiklaani based on the chat - I like. Thanks @corvid
 
please view the edit
i imported it latter to 2.7
 
I do not know how is it possible
you must have really fsckd up your setup
 
1:08 PM
seems my python is completely messed up
 
though do not worry, it is very normal on mac
really I do not understand why there are so many ppl who swear in the name of Mac, yet they spend considerable time installing all the things by hand that I get with a simple command in linux
 
and now i want to get rid of every python version installed on my mac except the defualt one required for MAC OS
 
@Antti It's insanely easy to install things on the Mac.
Same as Linux.
 
I had to unravel a Python 2.7 installation on a Mac. It took me an hour. There were 3 versions. All of which could be called accidentally by invoking the same command in different directories
 
In the same way that people can fsck up Linux, they can do the same in OS X.
 
1:10 PM
and all of which had different packages installed, of course
 
Just use homebrew. Then it's brew install python.
 
How can revert back to the original state
yeah i used home brew and that seems to be a problem
 
presented to me (by the user) as - this morning I ran this command fine. This afternoon the same command and it can't even find numpy. Ho hum - I think fizzy is right. I imagine it was installed on the mac by someone who normally used Windows
 
Then you did something strange, as I'm sat on a Mac right now and never had an issue.
 
@JRichardSnape You can mess up Ruby in Linux just like that. We solve it the same way: use a virtual Ruby manager and don't install any system Ruby (except whatever the OS requires).
 
1:12 PM
@AnttiHaapala: what, you can't reopen and re-dupe yourselves? :-P
 
@MartijnPieters I can, but I was thinking not about reduping but keeping it open
 
@JRichardSnape you might like Månegarm too
 
The way I started was simply to do a find over the whole file system and find all the instances of the python executable. That might help @tryeverylanguage, if you're not sure what state you're in w.r.t. installs. Although - listen to the Mac experts if they have advice - I'm Linux and (under sufferance) windows...
 
Just, whatever you do, don't mess with the system install.
If you do, you will open a world of pain.
 
Project Nidaba - Yet another Roomba
Rhymin words there
:)
 
1:15 PM
@JRichardSnape thats what i am confused to know about.. its so messed up that i dont know where i am and how shoudl i go back
 
Before you panic about your install, you sure that you have access to that URL in your edited example? I paste it into a browser, it just spins... The error is telling you it's "Permission denied" - maybe that's exactly what it is (or a timeout).
 
@Ffisegydd because it is so easy, you can help every single mac user there is :D
@Ffisegydd because I think it is hard, I will troll them and spread fud to make them avoid Macs :D
 
Any words that end with ba
Not able to think of any
apart from Nidaba and Roomba
:D
 
I'd rather deal with Mac than the major issues I've had with linux in the past. "I want to use a mouse that's slightly non-standard, let's begin a 6 hour hunt for drivers. Oh wait I broke my machine. Let's re-install."
 
That's half the fun fizzy
 
1:19 PM
caramba!
 
Haha, yeah. It can be like that, especially with video drivers.
 
twitch
I still haven't resolved my video driver issues on Linux
 
I won't buy such a shit hardware
 
It's like I have a cobra in my house, and I've decided to let it have the spare room after being bitten a few times
 
@IntrepidBrit which distro? They're pretty easy to handle on ubuntu-based ones
 
1:20 PM
I'm still trying to get video drivers installed that Steam will work with. I had it all working in 32-bit, but I've reinstalled the OS as 64-bit, and now no bueno.
 
The OS wars have entered the room dives for cover :D
 
if they don't publish specs, and the level of support is at that level who's there to say it will continue to work with windows either
 
Ubuntu ;). My card hates all the things
 
@JRichardSnape Is it a war if I'm bashing my own favorite OS?
 
Black flag attack ;)
 
1:22 PM
No - I was more commenting on the things about 10 up from your message. I have the same with Linux. I had a plug and play printer - worked fine with Linux (after the obligatory driver hunt) as long as I'd first auto detected it and set it up with Windows :P
 
OS wars are easily resolved because you can install multiple OSes
 
Virtual boxes FTW
 
cbg
 
>>>univ = Interface('https://hd-hni-xnat.cac.washunil.edu:8443/xnat')
User: sdb678
Password:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/pyxnat/core/interfaces.py", line 228, in __init__
self._get_entry_point()
File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/pyxnat/core/interfaces.py", line 268, in _get_entry_point
raise e
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
 
lol
 
1:23 PM
sudo it, yo
 
Good advice there - try the sudo
 
sudo yo mama?
 
where 'sudo'?
 
@AnttiHaapala you were paid just for staring at it? :D
 
1:25 PM
 
@Vyktor SCSI?
 
just sudo everything. Make sure you frequently sudo rm -rf /
 
@corvid Naughty!
 
First you have to sudo rm -rf / then you have to delete system32
 
fixed already
and 2 repwhores already
 
1:29 PM
Quickly onto that - what a dance.
 
Serenity time guys.
 
@AnttiHaapala I guess that should really be closed as a dupe... if we could find a suitable one.
 
does favoriting make roomba not work?
@MartijnPieters ^
@PM2Ring you're welcome to find a canon dupe for that :D
I am about to enter an unindentation does not match... to sopython canon
 
1:33 PM
@AnttiHaapala It shouldn't have an effect, since favouriting is used to mark both good & bad questions.
 
it shouldn't but there are lots of odd corner cases in roomba
just having 3 zero-score answers will make it not work
 
We need a bar: Finding low quality questions using Project Nidaba Although that might look like you're an alcoholic if read the wrong way.
 
@AnttiHaapala roomba doesn't care about favouriting.
 
@AnttiHaapala Delv that if you can
 
ah no
@BhargavRao I'd rather not spend my delv on qs that would be roombaed anyhow
 
1:38 PM
:D
 
No answers with a score > 0
 
Embracing Sumarian Theism for a Cleaner World
 
No accepted answer
 
I'm missing something here - what is roomba here?
 
@WayneConrad Embracing something that which you don't know the spelling typo?
 
1:40 PM
@JRichardSnape the automatic vacuum cleaner of stackoverflow
 
ah
got it
 
Sum e rian
 
I've gone for Project Nidaba: Finding needles with machine learning
 
finding pearls
 
You love your pearls Antti :D
 
1:42 PM
We don't want to find pearls though, pearls are nice, we want to find the nasty Qs that should be closed.
 
@AnttiHaapala visual studio 7
 
I like finding needles, because a needle can be a thing of value, or it can be something that pricks.
 
No pun on stack / haystack, though
 
wheat from the chaff.
 
@AnttiHaapala Speaking of VS Code... stackoverflow.com/questions/29987840/…
 
1:44 PM
that's the saying actually "separate grains from husks"
 
Copied from?
 
sowpods
indaba
n 1: a council at which indigenous peoples of southern Africa
meet to discuss some important question
 
Simpsons themed - "Ay Caramba, it's Project Nidaba"
I'm going to stop now. My data crunching has completed - to the visualisation cave, batman
rbrb
 
why are people in the city so fascinated by dogs?
 
if i asked a question, got it answered , marked it as answered but then see, that i asked slightly the wrong question, whats my play ?
 
1:59 PM
@BhargavRao Probably grepped from /etc/dictionaries-common/words, or similar.
 
lol, yeah
Most probably
 
@StephanKetterer Do not modify the existing question - that's really annoying when that happens after you've already posted an answer.
Just post a new question. And try to be a bit more careful. :)
 
thank you
 
If you think the info on the old question page will be helpful to people answering your question, or to people in the future with a similar question, you could provide a link to the old question, but that's up to you.
Whenever you write a question on SO try to ask it in a way that will help other people in a similar situation. Doing that is much more likely to be appreciated by potential answerers than a "please fix my highly specific problem that no-one else in the universe has had before and will never have in the future" type of question. :)
Stephan, did you read the Optimizing For Pearls, Not Sand link I posted a little while ago? It's an excellent explanation of the SO philosophy, written by one of the co-founders.
 
2:20 PM
weighing in a little late - +1 for PM 2Ring's previous 4 messages. I left a message on one of your Qs too - it would benefit you and the community if you go back through the questions you've asked on the main site over the last couple of weeks and accept answers that work and have helped you...
 
Indeed! 17 question with only one "accept" is not a good look...
 
2:45 PM
Off to see Avengers.
 
Enjoy!
 
2:57 PM
> You have already deleted 5 of your own posts today; further deletes are blocked
:C
I can make it offensive and it'll be removed in a minute :D
 
In most web application stacks, would being logged in as two different users in different tabs on the same session cause one to log out for some reason
 
I don't know about "most", but in the one I work on, yes. Any given browser instance gets to have just one user logged ino.
You need a separate browser instance (not just a new tab or window) to have mutliple users logged in.
With firefox, the --new-instance flag will make one
 
how to cache a single variable in python between different runs?
 
Different runs of what?
 
@ChillarAnand store it somewhere then read it back...
 
3:09 PM
@WayneConrad different runs of a script. if user run same script multiple times
 
Write it to a file, I guess.
 
rhubarb folks
 
Two people upvoted this stackoverflow.com/a/29987717/838992 . shakes head
 
I like the question, though.
 
I don't, it is offtopic and asks for spam
 
DSM
3:14 PM
Morning cabbage for all.
 
and the answer should be "Google for it" :D
and it does not have an answer using my favourite framework
 
Well, it's old. Would get closed quick these days I reckon, but probably reasonable at the time. I agree with CV for off-site recommendation these days. Hadn't touched Python in 2011, so couldn't speak to whether "Google for it" would have worked then. I guess it would.
 
and it lacks django as well
 
@vaultah You need to be careful deleting too many posts; that can get you banned. I've also noticed a couple of posts you vandalised before deleting, which is going to get you some serious negative attention if you're not careful.
 
well, it did
 
3:16 PM
I kind of got a feeling that people are downvoting questions without even reading them.
 
Not bad for 10 ~ 15 minutes work - I got an accept & an upvote within a minute of posting. :) stackoverflow.com/a/29989335/4014959
 
I must admit though - google and 1 hour got me running a web server on my R-Pi from zero python knowledge
about a year ago or so
@PM2Ring As has been said before - the crowd love itertools
 
I don't see it asking for off-site resources.
 
@vaultah Not a good plan. Excessive deletion is not well-received on Stack Exchange. And self-vandalizing even less so.
 
Rhubarb
 
3:21 PM
And if "old" is a reason to close, then we've got some serious closing to do.
It looks like all of the answers are on-site... they are actually the instructions that the OP asked for.
So.... wat? I don't get that closure.
 
I know this isn't the right place to ask, but anyone familiar with awk pattern matching? I'm trying to match this string: "INFO: Server startup in 12345 ms" where 12345 is a changing integer
 
Nah - old in itself is not a reason. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/280958/838992 - answer to should old questions be closed for new reasons. See also the first dupe question on that. You may of course disagree. Real rhubarb now. Really really really.
 
Seeya J R
 
@HEADLESS_0NE Yes
$ echo "INFO: Server startup in 12345 ms"|awk '/INFO: Server startup in [0-9]+ ms/{print $0, "YES"}'
 
@PM2Ring Thank you so much. I was hilariously close awk '/^INFO: Server startup in [0-9] ms$/{exit}' <(tail -F catalina.out)
 
3:30 PM
@ZeroPiraeus I choose to believe they won't ban me for deleting less than 5 useless (but not spam/low-quality/offensive) answers per day
 
Forgot that + sign on [0-9]
 
DSM
@vaultah: are they your own answers or someone else's?
 
My own answers
(obviously) :D
I don't have enough rep to delv answers
 
DSM
Hmm. Well, I don't know where the heuristics fire. I've thought of going through and deleting a lot of my zero-vote answers (at least when there are better answers) but never get around to it. (and yes, it has occurred to me that if I do this my rep/answer ratio will improve..)
 
@DSM Your ratio is the best in the room
 
DSM
3:34 PM
@thefourtheye: it's the only thing I win on, so I want to keep it that way. :-)
 
and nobody is even closer to you :D Right now, your ratio is 48.385762
 
@vaultah We all choose our own beliefs :-) Persistent auto-vandalism is the kind of thing that can get you suspended, though, so I thought it was worth letting you know; if I've seen it on more than one of your answers by happenstance, it's only a matter of time before someone with a big stick does too.
 
186
A: Why was BalusC temporarily suspended from SO?

Shog9We have three problems here that I see: A well-respected member of the community saw fit to delete (and deface) a few of his (many) answers. Why he did so I can only guess based on what he wrote; his reasons are his own. The system sounded an alarm based on... fairly stupid heuristics. 5 delete...

 
@AnttiHaapala I had a closer look at the answers. Most of them are not so good, so the question really isn't worth keeping. Even if the close reason doesn't quite fit...
I get too hung up on the close reason sometimes.
 
Rʜᴜʙᴀʀʙ
 
3:45 PM
web2py does not work on python 3
yah
web2py much more horrible than I imagined
even using has_key
 
Flask is my personal favorite
 
my personal favourite is Pyramid, of course :D
Flask I wouldn't mind using
but that web2py blows my mind
must be worse than django :d
 
I dislike django also ... it does too much under the hood imho
 
4:06 PM
@Kevin I think your contains function would be better as: return set(letters).issubset(word)
 
Yeah, that works for the OP's stated use case. I wasn't sure if he was going to change "sand" to something with double letters later, though, so I coded defensively
 
@Kevin ahhh... good point :)
 
DSM
@Kevin: for subtract, did you know about Counter.elements?
 
@DSM bah... I was getting to that :)
 
Oh, nice. I think I'll put that in.
 
4:12 PM
why does javascript have such poor debugging tools? :\ I just want pudb for javascript
 
Sigh, 90% done my nameless side project, and I've run out of steam
 
cant you put breakpoints in chrome debugger mode?
 
@Kevin well... time to make an edit (it needs a tag to start with) - and get progressing towards another badge!
 
(I dont know i just use console.log mostly :P)
@Kevin that happens to almost every for fun project I do
 
@JoranBeasley This is for Node though
 
4:16 PM
It happens to work projects too ... but we just cal it done enough :P
call*
@corvid OIC ... I cant help really then ... Ive never even tried node
 
it's annoying to program in but has some nice conveniences, like hooks and events
 
Wow.... polls indicate that traditional Conservative voters in Scotland are voting Labour just to try and block SNP... all fun and games
 
@Jon new avatar? What happened to your cute 3-legged puppy?
 
4:31 PM
I'm still cute - just under going ninja training or something? :p
 
Is Martijn your sensei?
 
Well... logic is: Ninja's are popular - puppies are cute... it'll be a winning combination for 2016 elections! :p
 
Martijin is my senpai
 
I was thinking that, but wasn't going to accuse you of such underhanded populism :)
 
kaali
 
4:35 PM
Also... doesn't hurt to have a change of avatar after 2 years or something :)
 
Heh
 
(or if you're @vaultah - every single time you login!)
 
cbg
 
Your gravatar looks like a Ninja mouse
I need to zoom in to make out that it is a "cute" puppy
:D
 
4:38 PM
Or a rabbit!?
 
DSM
Your ninja powers of disguise have fooled Bhargav, Jon. All is according to plan.
 
Why not a Ninja Ninja? 2 levels of Ninja - Ninjaception
 
All in good time :)
 
We need a canon for this stackoverflow.com/q/29991094/4099593
It looks like I have answered it twice before
 
@BhargavRao not hard if they use tabulate, but it's a pain otherwise.
Oh nevermind, he wants to build a flatfile, not just a dynamic-width table. That's harder.
 
DSM
4:58 PM
Is this a dup of this?
 
@DSM Hammer it!!!
 
wait but is it?
it looks more like "Why aren't floating points exact"
 

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