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user784668
10:00 PM
Go Puppy.
 
Hmm. Guess I could get to do some programming too, but lazy.
 
Xeo
play some games
 
That could work too but not sure what I can endure more than five minutes.
 
You’re on vacation, forget about programming.
 
Hmm, new KSP, maybe.
 
10:04 PM
@Rapptz it's really not very intuitive on not-touch-screen
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz Why, Metro sucks.
 
user784668
It's what I've read on the internetz, so it must be true.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Contracts was a bit of fun but it was less than I expected.
the procedural text and contract generation is just a bit subpar and there isn't enough contract diversity.
plus they didn't fix a few issues that I quite disliked like the EVA controls not being camera-relative.
 
If I want to read procedurally-generated text I'll play DF.
 
Xeo
oh, yeah, I just remembered - I need a new phone. Recommendations plx
 
user784668
10:08 PM
Nokia 3310.
 
not sure I'd recommend the Windows 8.1 phone.
 
Xeo
Preferrably under 150 bucks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A stern remark, adorned with bite. It threatens with scorn.
 
too much annoying account shit.
 
N5. Just to save Bartek the trouble.
 
10:09 PM
in that case, Moto E/G and Nokia 500/600series is the only competitors.
 
@Xeo Nothing good is under 150 bucks.
 
Now. What are you looking for?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks :)
 
@Rapptz That's not really true.
 
remember recommend N4 after they say they don't have that much money.
 
10:10 PM
lol
 
Xeo
something to make calls with, read SMS, and take the occasional picture with not-potato quality
 
so you don't want a phone
 
honestly, Moto E or Nokia 500/600 is where it's at for cheap phones right now.
 
Xeo
nothing special, since I have the N7 for that
 
user784668
> not-potato quality
 
10:11 PM
you want a voice terminal
 
user784668
> phone
 
just depends on whether you'd rather Android or WP8.1
 
Computer in my pocket I have full control over. Does that exist yet?
 
@LucDanton No.
 
10:11 PM
gosh Luc, it's you again.
making a comeback?
 
FULL CONTROL
 
user784668
@LucDanton Build one.
 
EVERY. SINGLE. BIT.
 
I'd mentally written you off as being hit by a bus.
 
he plonked me IIRC
 
10:12 PM
@Fanael I’ve heard ‘from scratch’ before, but not quite intended like so.
 
ages ago
 
@Puppy You blind.
 
@LucDanton Nope
 
You can kinda try with rooted Android/CM if you like carrying around expensive things with no warranty
 
10:13 PM
It’s okay, I can wait.
 
Motorola Moto G is $180 unlocked
 
the E is the cheaper variant.
 
get that
 
I have noticed the landscape is moving a bit, but I don’t really keep up. Thanks for the news.
 
That's an epic thread right there
 
10:14 PM
@Praetorian nice article dude, congrats: codeproject.com/Articles/800468/…
 
Prepare to have it butchered here.
Oh. It's that one.
 
540x960 resolution
dang
 
user784668
I think I'm gonna buy 20 of the PSUs I have in my box.
 
user784668
They'd be decent air conditioners.
 
I'm half-tempted to write "11 Reasons C++ developers will hate VS "14" CTP"
 
user784668
10:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Please do it.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes make it 14
 
@40two Yeah. I read that "Click Bait" article and went full "Meh". Really.
But grats on the publicity. It worked.
 
user784668
Anyone willing to gib me monies to buy me some PSUs?
 
Xeo
So, anybody but Puppy got any actual suggestions?
 
10:17 PM
Those are: all the C++ features listed in that same article followed by "doesn't really work" and then some more features that supposedly have been there for a long time also followed by "does not work".
 
@Xeo lmao
 
hmm
should I permit override and/or final on destructors?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz He was the only one to actually make a concrete suggestion, from what I saw. :s
 
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@Puppy Yes, yes.
 
Xeo
Maybe I should've said 'besides'
 
10:18 PM
@Xeo ok: #12 It's. #13 All. #14 Lies.
 
@Xeo I looked into this for my own phone like, two weeks ago, so I just remembered what I found out.
 
He's the expert on low tier phones.
 
@g.d.d.c dying to create a variable named m_utiny there
 
That's what she said.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae you forget to mention vile
 
10:20 PM
I downvoted that article on reddit
 
@sehe double penetration;
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It's harsh to DoS an aspie
 
@sehe It's okay I actually explained I was trolling and he took it well. See, I can be human sometimes.
 
:)
 
user784668
10:21 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Stop being human.
 
float penetration;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes // not enough lube
 
user784668
__f16 penetration;
 
hmm
did C++ final classes make it into C++11?
 
how do I C++?
 
user784668
10:21 PM
Yes?
 
I don't see an attribute for it on the Clang AST
 
@Puppy Yes.
 
How unexciting, final classes...
 
user784668
@corvid You don't.
 
Xeo
fuck final classes
 
@corvid I've done better than that, really
 
Xeo
I ignore them whenever the opportunity arises
 
@StackedCrooked repost :P
 
damn Etienne is infecting everyone with his repost disorder
 
Xeo
10:26 PM
DM;DSB
(doesn't matter;didn't see before)
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked That one seems to be quite fancy
 
@StackedCrooked looks fancy
 
Xeo
Checking Amazon for dumbphones, I see tons of companies thatI had no clue existed. 'Cubot', 'Huawei', 'Swees'...
 
10:28 PM
Huawei does very good phones
 
Huawei is pretty popular
 
user784668
Huawei is decent.
 
@Xeo Huawei is a somewhat well-known Chinese electronics firm.
but I thought they mostly made dishwashers rather than phones.
 
@Xeo Seems to be written in haskell.
 
Romanians make phones too lol
I forgot the name of the company (or companies)
 
10:30 PM
@StackedCrooked I like the OP article there. Twoten
 
but we made an 8-core android phone once
 
anyway really the Moto E or Nokia 520/630 is in your price range
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes float buoyancy;
 
@Puppy Parsing it it probably separate from most other stuff--to avoid breaking existing code, final isn't defined as a reserved word, but as an identifier that conditionally takes on special meaning. You'd think the attribute in the AST would be pretty straightforward though...
 
@StackedCrooked Noize. Vim keybindings. You have to up the game :)
 
10:32 PM
Their issue list is in nihongo.
 
Xeo
@Puppy ?
 
@Rapptz cool
 
@Puppy They're a little like a Philips or General Electric--they make everything from really simple appliances up to telecom equipment like backbone routers and such.
 
@Rapptz lol
 
Xeo
What's this dual sim thing about?
 
10:34 PM
The Sims
 
^ you put two sims in your phone
 
It's to have two SIMs in it.
Useful mostly for people with one from work and a personal one.
 
you can receive calls on both SIMs and you can call from both SIMs
 
I imagine that make them much less lonely.
 
mum got a dual sim HTC because she has a work SIM and a home SIM
 
10:35 PM
@sehe Remarkable how the reddit post is full of negativity about SO.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or with two contracts/one prepaid,one subscription that enables them to use best tariff structures available
@StackedCrooked Circling
 
Xeo
hm, k, sounds unnecessary for me
Now the question is, do I actually want a Win8.1 phone
 
@sehe an ex-colleague used some sort of trick to get permanent internet on his prepaid card, when he was in 7th grade; refilling it with credits would break the whole thing
he's now in the 3rd year of college and still uses that card for free internet
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HA! Got starred!
 
in that many years he NEVER called anyone because no credit
 
10:37 PM
clears stars
 
It's a repost of a repost in the middle of a conversation about reposts.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Somebody's a slowpoke.
 
never suggested a dual sim for him
I guess it would fit
 
@sehe lol
 
@Xeo It's common in Europe to have phones with two SIMs. I don't know why.
 
user784668
10:39 PM
@Xeo If you don't know you probably don't.
 
@Xeo no, you don't
 
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@Puppy Is it?
 
@Xeo That's what I got.
 
as great as the OS feels
 
@Fanael Apparently.
 
10:40 PM
the lack of apps might be annoying
 
@StackedCrooked Probably bias due to all the shitposters from SO seeking refuge there.
 
eh, I haven't found it too bad.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. I don't care. I have my N7 for everything-mobile
 
oh, cool then
 
user784668
It's facking hot.
 
10:40 PM
Win 8.1 is a good choice
 
This is blatantly false. Answering never had any restrictions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Well, besides "not-being-answer-banned".
 
Xeo
The camera is prolly potato-quality though. :(
 
I remember that comments required a certain amount of rep.
 
10:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's loads of people saying they always get downvoted.
 
@StackedCrooked Yep, but not answers.
 
user784668
@StackedCrooked Comments do need like 15 rep or something.
 
@Xeo Honestly I haven't had a problem with it.
 
Maybe their answers were pretty shit.
 
user784668
That's what, two upboats?
 
10:41 PM
yep
 
Xeo
Maybe I should justget a proper camera
 
or three question upboats.
 
Xeo
I'mma need / want one for the Japan trip anyways
 
As someone says there, you don't even need to have a freaking account to post answers.
 
Herb posted an answer as a guest before.
 
10:43 PM
@AlexM. is what she said
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes But the circlejerkers say you need an account and bajillion k rep to answer!
 
@Xeo If you want a non-potato quality camera you're gonna have to get a phone from 2013 or newer tbh.
 
@Xeo Phone camera was sufficient for me. Took 2000 pics.
 
@Rapptz Lumia 630 is about a month old, if that.
but cheap smartphone cameras are not really designed for high-quality pics, they're designed for opportunistic pics.
 
user784668
Good enough for me.
 
10:44 PM
@40two What makes you think that's me? I mean, I realize all Indians look alike, but still ...
 
@Praetorian lol
 
user784668
But I make one pic a year.
 
Phone cameras can survive 2000 pics of Japan.
 
user784668
Also folks.
 
user784668
The CPU fan is constantly running at max speed under Linux, but is controlled just fine under Windows, what are the likeliest culprits?
 
10:46 PM
Linux
 
Xeo
lol
 
@Fanael whatever drivers you have and options
 
seriously, what else?
 
@Fanael Check htop for processes using 100% CPU.
 
it works fine under Windows, so
 
10:47 PM
there are some things to download that are specific to the platform to control the fan speed
 
Otherwise drivers or something.
 
Xeo
alright, guess I'll just try and see how that Win8.1 phone thing goes.
 
@Xeo Seems fine as long as you don't mind everything being in the butt.
 
*buntu ran like shit on my laptop
 
user784668
@PolymorphicPotato It's clean.
 
10:48 PM
almost always at max fan speed
didn't bother downloading and tweaking software
installed Windows 8
can't even hear the fan now
 
Xeo
@Puppy do you know what mobile interwebs capabilities that thing has?
can't find it on the amazon page
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never watched them since I got back.
 
@Xeo Seems bog-standard smartphone stuff- wifi and 3G, at least, not sure about the 4G thing.
 
@StackedCrooked Maybe the pics didn't survive!
 
Xeo
hm k
 
10:50 PM
Check their vital signs.
@Puppy hihi bog-standard
 
Xeo
ah, LTE version is 635
 
Ell
Moto G best phone
Best value phone at least
 
LTE is cool, but IME the second hungriest thing for battery. (Right after screens)
 
@Ell that's true
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The whole world is full of shite drivers. Some of them cannot control a fan, some cannot use turn indicators. They're all shit.
 
10:51 PM
@MartinJames What?
 
GPS takes up 2nd place for battery consumption on my phone
So I always turn off the GPS
fuck Google Now
 
user784668
Okay it's not.
 
I actually use GPS relatively often.
 
Ell
Yeah screen is worst for me
 
Xeo
meh, 635 would be 180 instead of 130
 
10:52 PM
oh yeah
battery life
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes You also get lost relatively often
 
5 days 6 hours since last charge
 
my battery lasts approx 50-80ish hours on average
 
21% remaining.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was nearly wiped out tonight by two electric utility vans who both decided to turn right in front of me without any warning.
 
10:53 PM
that's on the wifi continuously here at home (no mobile connection)
 
@StackedCrooked I've even ping you when I posted it :/
 
I pretty aggressively used the battery saver app to e.g. dim the screen though
 
Xeo
sounds good
 
Though it might only have been the S3 that had a super fucking hungry LTE.
 
Xeo
@Puppy I always go with dimmest screen setting anyways
 
user784668
10:54 PM
It's a water lily error, confirmed.
 
Ell
I have auto adjust screen brightness on
 
@Ell Same.
 
oh yeah
 
Xeo
I might have to check with my local Vodafone shop if they can get me a nice contract + the 635.
 
and the phone is micro-SIM only, no full-size SIM, so
 
Xeo
10:54 PM
@Puppy :(
 
Full-size SIM is the size of a credit card, no?
 
user784668
CPU is in C7 99% of the time, and the fans are controlled.
 
user784668
I'm just deaf.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No.
micro-sim is about the size of the chip in a credit card, and full-size SIM occupies about twice the area at most, 1.5x is probably closer.
 
Ell
10:55 PM
@fanael C7? Core 7?
 
@Puppy You're too young, padawan.
 
Are there any phones left that take full-size sims?
 
What you call "full-size" SIM was the first size reduction.
@MartinJames No.
 
@Praetorian I thought that was you dude :P
 
@Fanael At first I thought that was like an out of cheese error.
 
user784668
10:56 PM
In computing, the Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) specification provides an open standard for device configuration and power management by the operating system. First released in December 1996, ACPI defines platform-independent interfaces for hardware discovery, configuration, power management and monitoring. With the intention of replacing Advanced Power Management, the MultiProcessor Specification and the Plug and Play BIOS Specification, the standard brings power management under the control of the operating system, as opposed to the previous BIOS-central system which relied...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Apparently.
 
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@LucDanton Couldn't be, I have some cheese connected via USB.
 
...lol
> The first to appear was the full-size or 1FF (1st form factor), the size of a credit card (85.60 mm × 53.98 mm × 0.76 mm). Full size sim was first used by alibaba to open the magic cave.
 
> > It's intimidating as <explitive deleted>.
Gosh fuck, people are dumb.
 
@Praetorian and Indian are not look a like, at least not for me. I'm pretty dark skinned :P
 
10:58 PM
@milleniumbug Oh yeah - now I remember them.
 
Xeo
@Puppy meh, that means I'd nees to get my SIM stamped out
 
Not only they misspelled "expletive", but also didn't realize the word "fuck" in the text they were quoting was not an expletive by virtue of the fact that "It's intimidating as." is not even a proper sentence, and much less a sentence that carries the same meaning.
 
@Xeo That doesn't always work.
 
@40two Yet, somehow you decided that guy was me
 
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@Ell Basically, cores stopped, most voltages reduced to 0V, cache turned off.
 

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