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8:01 PM
@David sorry .. wont manage. "Somebody" has forgotten to push the latest version.
 
@tereško No problem
 
@HamZa I'm worried that MS doesn't give up
 
hehehe
 
no, seriously, why don't they give away this competition and focus on other things
because of bing?
 
I think it's a pride thing. I mean, MS is a real big company and it might hurt their pride to say "guys, just use FF or Chrome because IE is horrible"
 
8:06 PM
@HamZa I don't think that MS needs to give up on IE.
 
I think losing some of their pride would hurt less than all of those trollings and embarassing jokes about IE do
 
MS is a strong company with smart managers. MS simply needs to step up, admit their mistake, and move on and be better.
IE doesn't need to be scraped. It needs to be improved.
 
yeah, like rebuild IE on webkit
 
It needs auto-update without the crappy Windows update, it needs a faster development cycle
We all hate IE but we're forgetting that when IE 5 and 6 came out, they were by far the best out there.
 
even opera dropped presto engine
 
8:08 PM
Google simply evolved faster in the area. So did Mozilla
 
@SecondRikudo they did, and that's evolution
 
@SergeyTelshevsky That doesn't mean that MS lost, and they should drop the market.
It simply means that they need to rethink their approach, figure out what works better and go with that.
 
@SecondRikudo and that's a natural selection
I agree
 
@David so where would catch be there, sorry?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Exactly.
And if they won't, IE will continue to slowly decline
 
8:09 PM
that's why I say they should abandon IE, what it's like now
It's easy to rebuild it on chromium
and even integrate that into windows
 
So essentially what's going on here is all the major browsers are gradually crossing out the word "Chrome" and writing in their own names and hoping no-one will notice?
 
You know, I agree with @HamZa that it's about pride
 
@DaveRandom Even chrome basically crossed out the word "Safari" and no one noticed.
 
when you know, that you go the wrong direction but you don
don't stop
IIRC chrome came after chromium as a googlified chromium
 
I'm definitely not big on the latest Mozoogle Chrirefox
 
8:14 PM
@DaveRandom lynx all the way? :)
 
Actually I'm a Chrome user, but they have properly dicked me off with this whole web store extensions thing
 
@DaveRandom The catch would be another bit down, it's the Router:route() method which throws the exception. It's all perfect exception I decided I wanted to experiment. I am testing out putting all the assets in the private non accessible via url part of the site. So if I have moduleA and all it's templates, translations, controllers I also put the assets related to that module in there instead of in the public web folder. I'm not sure if it's a good idea but worth experimenting with.
 
you can always revert to chromium, get all the features of the browser and nothing more
 
I like a lot of the Googlification though, being signed in everywhere means loads of stuff that I'm reasonably certain is actually magic just seems to work. And I resigned myself to the idea that Google knows more about me than I do a long time ago
 
The thing I'm worried about is performance. Every request for a css file, js file, images etc will not actually go directly to the resource via url but instead goes through my PHP app and eventually the presentation layer does a file_get_contents on the path to the resource in the non public part and sets the response headers to to whatever resource type it is
 
8:18 PM
xkcd.com/792 no onebox
hmm, that's kinda big for oneboxing
@David At least use x-sendfile...
 
@DaveRandom lol
 
@DaveRandom If I'm just dealing with files under 1MB though do you think I need that?
 
reminded me of this article I read today: sploid.gizmodo.com/…
 
It's just when Ive multiple modules like frontend, admin, members area, all different designs/themes it can be annoying storing all that stuff in some public assets/modules/modulename/css
How do you go about organising all the assets for multiple different modules?
 
@David Yes, especially with nginx you will see a huge perf improvement under load, because there's a mem caching layer and a thread pool emulating nbio on the filesystem
if you do it in PHP, you're doing blocking IO and you're reading the file from disk every single time you serve it
for a few KB CSS/JS resource, you are reducing your potential perf by at least one order of magnitude
 
8:25 PM
That's true and with this x-sendfile can I keep all my modules assets together, in the non public directory?
 
ok Where ist meine deiueteshchchche fussball freund!??!?!?!
 
@David you just hand it a file path and let it do the hard work
 
@Gordon `E_NOT_ENOUGH_SCHALND!
`
 
@PeeHaa in your country, I believe
 
No way
 
8:27 PM
dpc
 
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@DaveRandom Ok thanks. What way do you normally deal with an application with many modules and each having multiple assets, programming is easy compared to coming up with a good structure to organise all the files
 
coding is easy, programming is hard
 
typing is easy, coding is hard
 
Jerking of is easy. Winning from muraci is hard
 
8:29 PM
@David I tend to treat things like that as separate applications. If there are any shared deps, try to lift them out into standalone modules that can be included in each application as a submodule
 
hahaha SU
PER
ganz geil ja
klasse
 
@DaveRandom Do you like to keep assets out of the public directory and contained with the rest of their modules files or do you put them out in the public directory?
 
super tol!
 
@David generally in the public directory
But that's just what I prefer, I'm not saying it's the right way
 
8:32 PM
@DaveRandom Aren't all your people's chick in teh public domain?
 
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to invoke PHP just to serve a static file that the webserver is capable of handling on its own though
 
Ow wait.... this is a public chat room
 
Most webservers are big boys now, they can go to the toilet with needing someone there to help clean up
 
@DaveRandom Before I started messing around with them in the non public directory I used to organise them like web/assets/modules/module-name/css etc, Is yours similar or?
 
@David Do you handle combining / minifying resources?
Wow that was the last somewhat reasobale message from me
 
8:33 PM
@PeeHaa I don't und rstand the q estion. How much have you had to dr nk?
 
please fil in the blanks
;-)
 
:-P
 
@PeeHaa Not at run time why?
I use SASS to compress the CSS is for me
 
lol serious answer
NOOOB!
 
@PeeHaa ?
 
8:34 PM
@David Well no, like I say I treat things like that as separate applications, usually with their own subdomains
 
i c nt be ieve th t t is is st ll le ible.
 
So generally it would just be /css...
 
Because /module counds like it si not "compiled"
@DanLugg Dat effort :D
 
lol
 
@DanLugg The first one missing is a U, right?
 
8:36 PM
@DaveRandom Spot on friend, spot on.
 
off / of whatever, ther characters are there
 
@PeeHaa s/poll/pole/
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
:P
yAY FOOOOD ARRIVED
^ caps...
 
I think you need it...
 
8:39 PM
I had kebab. Mmmm :)
 
FUCK YOU FLAGGER
YOU FUCKING MORON
I DON´T CARE IF YOU DO HIS MUM
 
You are so gonna get suspended :-P
How much have you actually had to drink?
 
is it just me or PeeHaa doesn't seem properly medicated ?
 
I mean seriously WTF
 
^^ s/doesn't seem properly/is overly/
 
8:42 PM
@Hirudinea lulz
 
@DanLugg there was no mistake
 
@Hirudinea you sure are a newbie here
 
What fucking idiot is fucking @lusitanians mum and is feeling assraped???/
 
@Hirudinea Speaking of WTF, WTF is your profile picture?
 
Credit: @DaveRandom
 
8:43 PM
dude, put the keyboard down and go eat your food before you end up actually offending someone :-P
 
multitasking FTW!
 
@DanLugg google the username
 
@PeeHaa is this a proper behavior for a room's owner ?
 
@tereško The real question is...
YES
O wait not a question
 
@DaveRandom I figured it was a leech or a slug or something, but it looks like a highly flaccid uncircumcised penis with war paint.
 
8:45 PM
@tereško BTW I totally assumed you are trolling and not being a dick
@DanLugg GUILTY!
 
... and now there is one more user in my tiny-people-collection
 
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
Ow wait
It's kinda fun in here
 
lol
 
Brofist indian brogrammers!
 
/leaves
 
8:46 PM
@DanLugg lol yeh it totally does
 
Wonder how bad @PeeHaa will be after the his country wins the world cup :p
 
@Fabien Dude you have no idea
Shiw is going to br duioioiunk
:P
 
@Fabien He will level up, and take on a new form.
 
@Fabien in which sport ?
 
...drinking?
 
8:47 PM
heh
 
@tereško soccer
 
sah... ker..?
 
^ :P
Now say sorry you Canadian you
 
@Hirudinea Oh, I'm not Canadian.
 
8:49 PM
@Hirudinea Such racist...
 
Tell that to your "profil" @DanLugg
 
@Hirudinea "Location" isn't necessarily current, nor is it absolute.
 
@DaveRandom in dorms we used to call it "litreball"
 
@HamZa It ain't racist if it is Canadian :D
 
8:50 PM
@tereško Did you get some game time in?
 
@tereško wasn't that just beer pong?
That should so be an olympic sport
 
> TWAT!!!
lol!
 
@DaveRandom As much as professional masturbation should be.
 
professional masturbation
Who's paying you?
Are they hiring?
 
8:52 PM
We just let a few people go, actually.
 
:D
I waut.. I should be sad for being without a job
 
@Hirudinea Well, I can't help you. No tatooed penises allowed.
 
booooooooo
@lusitanian's mum sucks
 
^ still fascinated...
 
@DanLugg You ask your interviewees to prove that?
 
8:54 PM
@Fabien Nah, they normally send a picture with their application.
 
@HamZa I like the video but dislike how they used non-bruce lee clips like the table-tennis
 
@Fabien Isn't that bruce-lee?
 
No it's CGI
 
YOU ARE CGI!
 
and some other actor
 
8:55 PM
Hmmm I see. Another case of "don't believe everything you see on the internetz"
 
BTW may I remind you GMT+1 people it ia fraiday in 1 hour??
 
Word up, I'm out.
 
Pea soup
 
later @DanLugg
 
@Hirudinea no it's not
 
8:58 PM
Damn sure it is!
 
@Hirudinea Maybe for GMT+2 people...
 
^ timezone burn
DST blows
 
That'll be on your tombstone.
 
@salathe dude. Fucking close EWNOUGFH!
 
Actually DST rules, it's the end of DST that blows
 
8:59 PM
@Hirudinea We're talking about friday. Serious business.
 
@DaveRandom Why?
 
Since when does anyone need it be light at fucking 7am in the winter
 
@salathe I officiallly retract all my stupidness
 
I would much rather have my extra hour of daylight at the end of the day
 
@DaveRandom it's so depressing when it's 3pm and going dark :(
 
9:00 PM
Depends
 
Yeah :(
Better for crime though.
 
\o/
brb need to order moor food and beer
 
@salathe not just Friday but the last Friday before I shoot off to Tenerife :)
 
(That may be possibly the only time I ever post a dog picture!)
When are you off, @Fabien?
 
9:03 PM
Saturday
First holiday in 14 months
Trying to decide whether I should take Code Complete 2, SQL Anti Patterns or HEad First design patterns.
Makes me wish I had a kindle a little.
 
@Hirudinea if there is one thing you do not need any more of it is beer, have a joint instead :-P
 
@DaveRandom If there is some thing I really don't need right now it's a joint :P
I need to do some work tomorrow
s/need to/with some luck I might actually get out of of bed
#sedfail
 
I need to write part 2 of the streams thing but I just cba, I knew I should have done it when I was on a roll with the first one :-(
btw it was #9 on HN at one point this afternoon
 
Never break a spree!
@DaveRandom That is keeewl
 
I duly awarded myself 20 zillion intarnet points
 
9:09 PM
> your account has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 48 seconds.
 
lol
 
fucking flaggers...
Innapropiated contenht in 10... 9...
 
you really have these accounts the wrong way round you know :-P
 
Your mother suocks cocks in hell
LD
@DaveRandom It's reeeeally hard to keep up :P
 
BeerHaa, how many have you drank?
 
9:12 PM
Ow wow. It only gets triggered by @lusitanian's mom
@Fabien Between one and many
 
So > 1
 
@Fabien That's what you get for not escaping shit :)
 
is that an inclusive between? Because I'm guessing it's a lot closer to "many"
 
Celebrating or incidentally inebriated?
 
@PeeHaa \s\h\i\t
 
9:13 PM
@DaveRandom :-D
 
I tried escaping it. Assuming the escape is \
 
@Fabien German neighbour
 
\> Nada
@PeeHaa Oh heh
How will that work when you meet them in the finals? :P
 
@Fabien That would mean I can cash
 
>> 1
stupid markdown
 
9:14 PM
Oh wow. Shoarma is here for the second time this evening. brb dawg
Also stupid markdown
 
mmmm shoarma AKA Shawarma
 
Also @lusitanians mum
 
dammit I want a joint now
 
Beer pressure
Installing virtualbox for some Vagrantage btw.
@DaveRandom you ever use puphpet/chef?
 
@Fabien not enough to give you any confident practical advice
 
9:29 PM
Do you use an existing box for vagranting that's public or your own one?
 
10 mins ago, by DaveRandom
@Fabien not enough to give you any confident practical advice
I've only vaguely messed around with it and though "hey, that's cool" and then realised I personally don't have any real-world use for it
 
Ah right it was @tereško who suggested vagrant.
 
9:48 PM
I'm done for today nitgh niggahs
 
10:00 PM
Man I wish I had fibre. 2 hours to download a base box. No thanks.
 
@Fabien , thanks for the gift
 
Tit for tat.
 
as for Vagrant, you probably should start out with a pure vBox system to understand how virtual box works and what are the limitations
but in any case are likely to end up leaving it over night to download
 
I'll most likely pick this up at work. I can do it in the name of 'R&D'. Plus better broadband. Take in external and copy over what I need. Not that i'll ouch it for a week.
As for Starbound. If you like Terraria, this should be pleasing too. Easy to play in groups too but makes levelling weird.
FTR last I knew the coordinates of chests aren't unique per player. Everybody has the same special chests at the same coordinates. So if you aren't feeling the desire to hunt for a specific one you can google around for it should you want to.
As it's not launched they infrequently reset characters on update too.
Typically enough to progress quite far but not so much to make it too annoying.
 
10:31 PM
@DaveRandom is it just me , or 11th one is wrong
 
@tereško my brain seemed to stop working properly at L11, it's possible that's the reason why (although my money is on the 3/4 bottle wine)
I've been reading xkcd archives for the last half hour or sth, so thanks for bringing me back to the real world :-P
really need to go clean the kitchen actually
 
At 11:30pm
 
It's only stacking the dishwasher
 
@DaveRandom solved it
the exercise is fucked up, because it expects you to rotate th angle so that the AB is parallel to he given line
 
10:55 PM
@tereško Really? Seems kinda sucky
 
yeah
 
I'm going to have a proper crack at it at lunch tomorrow when my brain is properly in gear
 
i am currently stuck on 19
 
I like classes being used like it was all procedural code.
 
@bwoebi Did you see that reddit thing where someone was saying you should use nothing but statics?
 
11:01 PM
@DaveRandom yes. But it's worse when you write non-static code like it is static.
 
^ this pretty accurately describes my life
@bwoebi I'm not even sure whether I could do that any more. The closest I come is having to resist the urge to write one-shot procedure scripts in classes (which I sometimes fail to resist) but even then the classes I write tend to make sense and the wiring is done in the top scope
There's a guy at our work who I assume used to be a C++ dev who writes function main() { /* outer logic here */ } main(); which pisses me off a bit
 
I think it is quercus that doesn't perform opts on global stuff
only functions
That would be a valid reason to do that
 
sorry what do you mean by "perform opts"?
 
@DaveRandom what's the big problem here, except it decorates the source?
 
@bwoebi There isn't a problem other than the slight readability hit
It's only a bit annoying, not wrong as such
 
11:07 PM
there are tons of worse things^^
 
Somehow I wouldn't mind so much if it was written as (function() {})(); - I do that in JS all the time, although that's more necessary than it would be in PHP (not much)
 
19th was tricky , 20th is even more
 
There's another guy at our work who has epic JS paranoia and wraps everything in (function(undefined) {}()); as if some bellend is going to actually assign to it in our codebase
 
@DaveRandom what exactly is your problem with it ?
 
nothing other than irrational dislike
 
11:13 PM
that's why you are a noob in JS
 
It just bugs the small part of me that hates defensive coding. If you assume everyone is a dribbling idiot you never get anything done. Sometimes you have to accept that if someone does something stupid, they will break the application.
and it will be their fault, not mine
 
It doesn't have anything to do with defensive coding. Many other things can be overwritten too (and not even restored), what is special about undefined?
 
@DaveRandom it has nothing to do with "defensive coding"
instead it is way how you avoid global variables in JS
 
@tereško I'm talking about assuming someone is going to assign something to undefined, I get why you wrap everything in closures
@copy exactly
 
@DaveRandom because I have seem actually people doing that
 
11:20 PM
You might as well start passing in a local ref to window as if some external code is going to redefine it
@tereško And they are idiots, and they broke the application, and it's their fault
 
... and what would be your conclusion in this case ?
one of your coworkers thinks that you have few free-roaming idiots in your company
 
Well that's probably true
As I say, I accept my dislike of it is irrational
I dislike it in the same way as I dislike:
public function foo() { // <-- that open brace on this line fills me with rage
It's not wrong. Loads of people do it. I hate it to an unspeakable degree.
 
11:33 PM
@tereško /*jslint plusplus: true, white: true, browser: true */ <-- almost all of my JS passes JSLint with those options
I really don't get what Crockford hates so much about increment/decrement
and whitespace prefs are highly personal
 
so, why do you hate on people about something they you refer to as "highly personal" ?
 
12 mins ago, by DaveRandom
As I say, I accept my dislike of it is irrational
I accept whatever people want to do, including adhering to their coding style. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
fuck it, I cannot solve 20th
I will have to break out pen and paper ... or something
 
@DaveRandom I now should dislike you for disliking that :o
@tereško what are you talking about?
 
2 hours ago, by DaveRandom
http://euclidthegame.org/
 
11:41 PM
@bwoebi Oh I can give you much better reasons to dislike me :-P
@bwoebi Seems like your kind of thing actually
and @AlmaDo
 
11:52 PM
I wish ActiveRecord was a physical entity so I could burn it to the ground. Fuck ActiveRecord.
 

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