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1:36 AM
@DanielWiddis Out of curiosity, where have these NAAs like this been being sourced from?
 
@RyanM most likely from here
 
2:00 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ahhh nice, that explains it. Nice job DharmanBot.
Unrelated: I've been trying to take a balanced approach to deletion this week:
 
@RyanM I see you also took a balanced approach to reputation :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine hmm?
 
@RyanM Me no see linkie. Me <10K. :(
 
@DanielWiddis 'twas the one Oleg linked in the following message
 
Ah, and that was very likely the source.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine There was a time not too long ago that I had exactly half Ryan's rep. I'm slacking, it appears.
 
2:09 AM
@DanielWiddis A time period in which, quite likely, I've posted very few answers... :-)
My attempt at posting answers that would pay off long-term in rep does seem to have mostly worked.
 
It was fun for me to get 20 rep out of the blue for the first votes on a self-answered question from 2019. 1000 views, 1 person voted.
I, unfortunately am not getting long-term rep. :)
 
It was definitely also targeted at eventually getting more curation abilities, though, so getting the diamond made it so I don't need to aim quite as hard at getting rep anymore.
There were definitely some surprises, though, in terms of what I got rep for.
This one gets an upvote every now and then - I was definitely just aiming for the bounty.
 
Out of curiosity, why are you asking about an NAA from March 2021 now?
 
@RyanM Tom Marvolo Riddle :)
 
I used to get very surprised that some of my answers (and the corresponding questions) would get lots of votes in a very short period. That's before I learned about HNQ. Most of my highly voted posts (Qs and As) don't correlate with what I consider to be my better (more useful?) posts.
 
2:15 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine ahhh :-)
 
@DanielWiddis just install clairvoyance - didn't stop me :)
 
@DanielWiddis I was very curious how you'd found an NAA from March 2021 just now.
 
Oh! Well certainly not from DharmanBot. It probably popped up on a review queue somewhere.
 
@cigien I'm not sure any of my SO posts have hit HNQ. They've just accumulated over time.
@DanielWiddis ahhhh...yep, LQA. You just left your own comment instead of using the built-in one :-p
DharmanBot probably explains how the original flagger found it, though. I'd been wondering where they'd been sourcing random older NAAs from...
 
I drop by Dharman's bot daily and click through the links - it's quite accurate
 
2:22 AM
@RyanM It happens to me quite often (is there a SEDE query to get the number?). Happened yesterday, in fact. Sure, it's nice to see the rep bubble when I log in, but I don't really feel the answer was particularly useful. It's essentially just "yeah, your code is fine, it's a compiler bug". I do get the trickle of upvotes over time on some of my posts (which are, IMO, the better ones), but those are few and far between. I feel a decent majority of my rep has come from posts hitting HNQ.
 
@RyanM The built in ones don't populate when it's an older post.
Not that they'll read it anyway.
 
Ah right.
 
So how did @OlegValteriswithUkraine find that old NaaBot channel link? Search?
 
@DanielWiddis trade secret :)
 
2:59 AM
I've been staring at this too long... I don't know how to turn this collapsed on-topic sentence into a negative. "if your question generally covers a specific programming problem, or a software algorithm, or software tools commonly used by programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development then you’re in the right place to ask your question!"
This question does not appear to be about... "a specific programming problem, or a software algorithm, or software tools commonly used by programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development"
 
!(A && B) == (!A || !B)
 
This seems wordy and the conjunctions are wrong with the negation...
Yeah classic DeMorgan's in English grammar...
 
How about "if your question doesn't generally cover a specific programming problem, nor a software algorithm, nor software tools commonly used by programmers; and isn't a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development then you’re in the wrong place to ask your question!"? That shouldn't cause any confusion ;)
 
you need "and is not a practical..." in the second clause
or a separate sentence. This question does not appear to be about "... a specific programming problem, or a software algorithm, or software tools commonly used by programmers." It is not "a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development."
 
@cigien I like the way that reads a lot. I'm trying to get the text goes in the close dialogue though so I don't want to use "your" as the closers are unlikely to be the asker.
@DanielWiddis To be honest with you I'm not sure I understand the way the help centre has it listed... with "a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development" on a separate line are all the 3 ORs together with that single AND (A||B||C) && D
 
3:06 AM
Hmm, I wasn't being entirely serious. Not that it's grammatically, or technically wrong, but are you sure that it's easy to read? There's a lot of non-native speakers who'll need to parse that.
 
@HenryEcker Would that mean "a specific programming problem" that was not "a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development" would be off topic here?
 
it's not A, B, and C, though. It's A1, A2, and A3. A being "question covers" with 3 options.
 
@cigien What I meant was that I like the idea of "If your question does not cover XYZ it is not on topic" rather than "This question does not appear to be about XYZ"
Yes I agree the negation there would need to be addressed
 
Ah, I see. What's the character limit on those reasons?
 
500 :-(
That's also the markdown length not the render length.
 
3:09 AM
Oof. Are bullets ok, with regard to vertical space? Bullets tend to be easy to read.
 
Nope.... comment standard mini-markdown
Also a :-(
My answer has a table with the character amounts for what I currently have. Though I do agree that I did completely leave off a bullet point from the help center
Mostly because I don't actually fully conceptualise what the help center is trying to convey.
 
3:34 AM
 
3:53 AM
The bits after "covering a ..." makes things more confusing IMO. If we're linking to the on-topic page anyway, perhaps just "This question does not appear to be a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development. It may be able to be answered on another Stack Exchange site but is not on-topic for Stack Overflow." would be sufficient?
 
4:15 AM
Can't we just say "off-topic" instead of "not on-topic"? :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Sure
 
Also: "It may be on-topic on" will also save the mental capacity required to parse it :)
 
I'm not sure how I feel about "It may be on-topic on another Stack Exchange site but is off-topic for Stack Overflow." it feels like too many "topics" for such a short sentence
 
Also also, branding guidelines ask to use contractions, so "this question doesn't" (A nitpick I am not sure if was present originally)
@HenryEcker maybe "may be answerable" then?
 
Hmmmm those branding guidelines much post-date our existing reasons. All our current reasons use "does not" and "is not" e.g. SF, SU and Recommendations banners "Closed. This question does not meet $SiteName guidelines. It is not currently accepting answers."
 
4:21 AM
I think we can shove off one more word: "problem unique to" can replace "problem that is unique" safely
 
Maybe it can just be dropped from the usage guidance? Is it important to note if it's on-topic on another SE site when you're deciding to close the question?
 
@HenryEcker well, not particularly a problem for me, happy to keep as is for consistency's sake
@HenryEcker not really important, I agree
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm going to keep "problem that is unique" I think it should match the help centre. That said, if the help centre needs updated that's a different conversation, but maybe one worth having at some point.
 
@HenryEcker I don't think we are bound to match word-for-word :) but yeah, I'd rewritten half the help center if given power to do so. It is stunningly verbosely written
Anyways, I'll join ya'll back in several hours - it's 7:30 AM, and I think it's time to get some sleep. Night-o!
 
Gn. Enjoy your early morning nap :-)
 
4:44 AM
How about moving the "Not a practical, answerable problem unique to software development" to the brief description and the consensus banner instead of "Not about programming or software development"? Close dialogue / privileged banner
 
 
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9:20 AM
Guys, is here someone from France?
 
 
4 hours later…
1:31 PM
@manro @ZoestandswithUkraine would love to teach you some French, am I right? :) [ducks and covers]
 
 
2 hours later…
3:50 PM
 
@VLAZ oh, so the rumors of Russian military being dependent on SO for warfare were true!
 
I've seen some wild tags but this one is among the top.
is about Visual Studio projects
No clue how fits in, though.
 
4:07 PM
@VLAZ oh, this seems like a rename candidate
@VLAZ I guess they also wanted to know the big-O of the algorithm? Although it's so basic that I'd advise them reading up on what big-O means first
 
The user doesn't know what || is. I'm not sure they are up to big-O yet.
 
@VLAZ pause button, duh. Joking aside, huh, I did not even notice they are actually asking what does the OR operator mean
 
 
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7:00 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine re: this comment I did end up removing it from the usage guidance. I am still working on something better for the "you can ask elsewhere" part.
I don't think removing all guidance for where they may be able to ask is correct... even if /allsites isn't the best option.
 
eh, I was just noting to Briam that it was already WIP :)
 
7:26 PM
I need to pay less attention to the comments... Sometimes I wish I could mute a post for a few seconds. I also wish there was a way to let voters know re-evaluate their votes as I'm making changes.
I reverted it to something I both personally like more and is the version that got the majority of votes. I shouldn't have made the unique edit in the first place... ah well live and learn...
 
@HenryEcker but then red notification icon's so tempting :) joking aside, I think it's plausible to write a script for "sleep mode". Won't help with mobile, though
 
Yeah it's really okay. It's more that I'm reading the comments and trying to incorporate everyone's ideas (which is not reasonable) rather than the notifications themselves being annoying. I really just need to stick to my own ideas and only take the things I agree with and let someone else propose something they think is better...
 
8:01 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine you aren't french 😐
 

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