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6:05 AM
Oleg technically has the same colours on the flag. Just differently positioned.
 
6:44 AM
The phone industry has gone insane.
I realise that's probably not very recent but still - needed to mention it.
 
why has it gone insane this time?
 
Got a new phone. A Samsung A32. I tried to enable the Always-On display (just shows a clock + notification on a locked screen). Option is not there. I looked up on the internet and I just found some YouTube videos that show people clearly going to the same settings area I do and they have the option whereas I don't. In the comments I found out that A32 5G variant is different from the A32 4G variant. They have different displays and consequently 4G has Always-On, 5G doesn't.
Apparently 5G was released first, then later 4G was released and has different parts in it. Specifically the display.
They are both the same model: A32.
 
Ah...that's...not great. At least the Pixel 4a with 5G is pretty much just better than the Pixel 4a.
 
As it should. I'd expect things with the same model to be, you know, the same.
 
...by "just better" I mean it's a significant internal upgrade.
 
6:51 AM
They should have different model numbers. Or do "Pixel 4a++"
I guess an Always-On is relatively minor as differences go by. Still, I don't know what else is changed.
And Always-On is super useful. I can live without it but I would miss it.
 
I've been experimented with an iPhone and I really miss the AOD.
 
It's great at night - I can see what the time is without searing my eyes.
Also, something I didn't realise was a useful effect for it - I know which side the phone is "up". With the new one, it's just a black rectangle. No easily definable features. I keep grabbing it upside down.
 
7:41 AM
 
Ah, . Like CIA.
BTW, PID of 3 would imply that either somebody has exceptional control of your computer or...it's just some system process.
 
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Also, please post spam for airlines on Travel.SE. Thanks in advance!
 
 
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12:16 PM
OK, so we need to ignore the ignore directives. Next we'll need to have a way to ignore the ignoring of ignore directives.
 
whyyyy
that sounds like an XY problem
 
As it happens, Raymond Chen has blogged about that. (Well, close enough.)
 
XY problems are a constant struggle. People keep asking the wrong questions.
 
My guess: they are trying to validate that the directives are correctly used, or something like that.
or they don't want people to use them
 
Every language/toolchain needs a full text-substitution preprocessor. :-)
#define @ts-ignore
 
12:20 PM
Makes them unanswerable, at least for me. I don't want to answer the Y because it's wrong. I don't want to answer the X because it doesn't match up the Y and thus is unsearchable. And if somebody legitimately comes up with a thing where Y is appropriate, then finding the question with the answer for X is not helpful.
@CodyGray sed -e 's/@ts-ignore//g' -i
preprocesses the directive really well
 
I got a lot of pings for that. :-)
 
I made a lot of stupid typos for that :(
 
It must be super simple and straightforward to use.
 
If you open it in an editor, you can also do a global search and replace
 
That's not part of the build process
Once you get into opening up an editor, it broaches the possibility of just writing the code correctly in the first place.
No, that'll never do. We need some kind of automated tool that can coerce and bend the existing code to our will, whatever it may be.
 
12:25 PM
Just offering alternatives. I'd personally just do a script that preprocesses the source code.
 
You are already composing your answer, then?
 
Ugh, substitution recursively with sed is annoying.
 
Fortunately, there is a widely known and extremely effective solution for that problem.
 
12:59 PM
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Unhelpful flag of the day: "Abusive moderation."
 
Seems pretty useful - just ban the moderators and mark it as done.
 
dangit it got handled before I finished writing my decline message.
> The link you were provided explains exactly why your answer was deleted and what you could do to fix that. "Send vague flags accusing the moderators of abuse" is not one of the suggestions.
someone needs to read it.
 
OK, I'll keep it in mind for the future
 
Thanks! We really appreciate you not sending flags like that.
 
1:13 PM
My pleasure. It has been really hard for me to not do that.
 
1:47 PM
Please also generally choose between upvoting a post and red flagging it.
 
Might be rude but has some very good fucking points.
 
haha
 
@RyanM could be worse
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine The worst are the ones that almost, but not quite, make sense.
An example from earlier, for the non-moderators:
> This post has several downvotes -- myself included though now I feel like I may have contributed out of peer pressure -- and I am unable to tell which flag it has tripped. They have claimed that they are new to coding and need help, though now that their obvious issue ([details redacted - basically a typo]) has been found, the post is still open. Any help (or explanation as to why this isn't a valid flag) would be greatly appreciated, thank you :)
Three moderators tried and failed to work out what that flag means.
 
Uh, yeah. No idea.
Wait. Maybe the flagger thinks that the post should be closed and is asking why it isn't?
The whole thing about flags might be misunderstanding how closing works.
 
2:00 PM
I should note that the flagger answered the question.
 
I've come to find redaction flags the most useless flags on the site
 
@RyanM I've seen some bizarre behaviour of CV-ing and answering. I'm not quite surprised by this.
 
> this is a very inaccurate answer
- Comment flag, 2022
 
2:34 PM
Today's deletions were...somewhat less balanced:
I was doing well until I had to delete 1600 of one person's comments.
 
Mine have been severely biased towards comments for several weeks
At least 800-1k comments daily is my average :')
 
 
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7:22 PM
Yesterday I learned a new synonym for "customer". I saw a sign at a machine room. It said "Druckerhöungsanlage", which translates to "pressure boosting system"...
 
Why?
 
Like blood pressure?
Sounds about right, if so.
 
@manro Why what? ^^
@VLAZ more like everything pressure. We are in the process of migrate some 200 applications. Yesterday, at 5 p.m., the customer decided "The one application should go to preproduction on thursday". I said that the application is not ready. Today, at 5 p.m., he started talking about this again. I said nothing and escalated it to my project manager...
 
@Turing85 that is ... quite accurate :)
 
At an old job, the boss had to institute a no-release-on-Friday rule. Customers kept asking for release on Friday and then figuring out that something is not quite correct just before the weekend, when nobody could fix it.
And we were providing them with a preprod sandbox that they had to confirm in email that they were OK with.
I guess they more or less opened the link, saw it loads, then decided that was enough.
 
7:40 PM
@VLAZ Read-only Fridays are a must. Especially if you are anywhere near the ops-department.
@VLAZ They approved it. If it doesn't work... their problem. My customer wanted 3 MRs from me today. I said them they are not ready. I opened the PRs, set them to "Draft" and said them "you can merge, but it's your decision. There are things to clarify, you didn't provide me the necessary information. This is my best effort."
Since 2 days, I am trying to get two sets of credentials for a database. One set I received today. the other set... well... I got one, but the user has basically access to nothing, except 2 schemas, and the schemas have the same tables, so I do not know what schema to use in what environment. Then I got another set of credentials with the comment "This user should have the schema preconfigured"... trying to login with this credentials... "Account locked"... welp.
 
 
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10:15 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm a bit concerned at your response to this survey. Can we talk about it?
 
I don't know that it's productive to start calling the data "garbage"... I have to (to some degree) trust that the people I work with know what they're doing and are doing their best to create a valid survey.
 
You got the wrong idea from that comment then
I am not saying the data is garbage
 
Moving my own remarks from elsewhere here: The problem is that if you force an answer to "When you do the thing that you never do, what is hardest about it?", you are sort of by definition getting made-up answers with no basis in reality.
 
I am saying that unless the data will be discarded, it has to be properly asked for
"thrown in the garbage bin" == "discarded"
 
10:20 PM
(maybe also poke Kevin B to come in here and give their thoughts too)
 
@RyanM Is that a problem? Honestly? If someone has to imagine "I'm put in this situation, which would be the most difficult for me?" Even if it's not reality, the perception of the difficulty by someone is still a valid thing. If I think something is hard, I'm more likely to want help with it, even if it ends up being easy in the end.
 
I could just as much say "sent to /dev/null"
Or "not used in any capacity"
 
@KevinB If you want to talk about the survey a bit, we're in here.
 
I'm actually just about to walk out the door, but i'll follow up in a bit
 
No worries. :)
 
10:22 PM
@Catija Yeah, that's a fair point, but...I guess it depends what you're using these results for. If you're assuming that they'll apply to people who want to do that, then you might be surveying the wrong audience.
 
I think this is just a way of opening the door to look for future places for information gathering... so they've identified a handful of potential topics for future research and want to understand what parts of tech learning are the most important but also the most difficult. I don't even know they're specifically going to release results from this survey.
 
I think some people are giving the team less benefit of the doubt than they would be if it weren't coming right after the developer survey with some pretty basic surveying errors, like non-exhaustive frequency options with no options between "never" and "1-2 times a week."
 
I also think that the choice of the UI for this type of questions was not the best one - it would make more sense to provide a "ranking" widget (like the one with elections) and allow respondents to order as they please. It would also provide much more interesting data points to analyze later than binary choice.
 
Yeah, I've never seen this specific version myself... I've seen variations where you only choose one at a time rather than both the top and bottom together... but not this specific one.
 
also, I agree with @KevinB that at least making the questions optional could act as an "I don't know" / "Not applicable" option.
 
10:28 PM
@RyanM Yeah, I've been skimming the dev survey post a bit and I can understand the frustration. It's maybe worth keeping in perspective that this survey is not at the same level as the dev survey - like I said, I'm not even sure they're going to be releasing results from it at all. Also, as far as I'm aware, the person who's doing this research doesn't have anything to do with the dev survey - if it matters at all. :)
I'm not a researcher... I did talk to my contact for this about y'all's concerns and from what I understand, forcing a choice is a specific methodology for doing these surveys. It seems like there's a cost/benefit analysis that happens between forcing responses and getting no data for some of the questions and the explicit decision here is to require responses.
 
@Catija From the public's perception, it doesn't matter at all which team something comes from unless that's made abundantly clear to them. This has been a lesson we've had to learn on my team: people just see "$company released this library!" and they don't really care about which team did that, even if that does make a huge difference regarding how it's supported. We've had to actually do specific branding, with support requirements to use it, to make that clear to the public.
 
I am a being a bit more critical of it than i may have been in the past, but given how often surveys now days, particularly in marketing and politics, are often presented in ways that intend to reach a specific result, I've become a lot more deliberate in how i answer surveys, and it's just frustrating when there's not an answer i can provide that doesn't say something that i didn't intend it to
 
sure, but those questions lack options to include everyone. Both forcing responses and not covering everything serves to only annoy respondents rather than result in more data points, @Catija.
 
When i can instead skip, or choose N/A, there's an easy button i can press to avoid that
 
for example, I am not going to finish this survey because I do not want to give data that misrepresents me
 
10:32 PM
To be clear... I'm a super not fan of filling out forms and there's rarely been one where I don't run into weird edge cases where responding to at least one question is really hard... I suuuuuper understand. But it's not uncommon for surveys to say "even if it's hard, try to pick the most correct answer" - and that's all we can do as someone taking the survey... or we can just say - "Fuck it, this isn't worth my time". :D
 
Personally, I absolutely understand and appreciate the clarification that they're coming from different teams :-)
 
and thus, instead of having a respondent, the survey lost one. And something tells me I am not alone
 
the most recent satisfaction survey i actually found to be quite good on that front
 
[of note: my responses seem to sound harsh to you today, @Catija, but I am just trying to be very concise and on-point]
 
@KevinB And that's legit and I am totally understanding of it. That's why I'm trying to explain a little bit what I can in here where I'm a modicum more free to talk and hope that I can iron things out a bit. It really does seem like the comment I posted about creating a mental hypothetical situation or imagining myself in the situation... is the best way to get through the survey if you really want ot. :)
 
10:34 PM
(k now i'm actually walking out)
 
also, lemme look up the relevant XKCD here...
imagine this survey completes, and then results are released
let's say 1000 freelancers fill it, and go with the "sort in my head, choose first and last" option
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Eh. Too many choices is also problematic in its own way. If the people doing research have picked those four (or however many) options as things they want to focus on - that's what they want data about. It's like... if I'm going to write a book about lions, tigers, bears or fish and I ask which one is most interesting to you and you know the least about... you could say "I know about all of those, I really want to know more about koalas"...
if I have no plan to write about koalas, that's not really useful to me to know that you want to know about koalas.
 
but you are asking me to choose which I like most - koalas, lions, bears, or fish. And I am a martian.
 
No. I haven't asked you what you like at all.
 
* s/like/find most interesting/
 
10:40 PM
... I mean... clearly a martian would want to know about all of them. :P
 
which the survey does not provide the option for either :)
it only asks me to choose the "least" and "most". And I have no experience with any
same for courses
on another note, the survey does not seem to have an option to go back and revisit the answer (before submitting)
 
@Catija The problem with that is that maybe the people who are interested in koalas would pick tigers, but no one else would. And the koala people really only want to know about koalas. They're not going to buy a book about tigers. But there are a bunch of people with an interest in bears, and they really want to learn about them. The problem: there are fewer of the bear people than the koala people.
So based on your survey, you write a book about tigers, which nobody buys, when you could have sold a bunch of books about bears.
 
Yeah, I was noticing that, too. That's a bit odd to me. Hitting back just goes back to the prior page (MSO question).
 
well, that part is fine :) overriding browser "go back" button is somewhat of a webdev sin
 
I don't know enough about webpage design to understand why each "page" of the survey isn't an actual page.
 
10:44 PM
it's mostly likely done as a single page application - without pushing new history items to browser history when going to the next page
more on point, take the "Think about when you are about to start learning" question again
even if I take the hypothetical stance, I still can't answer it
 
@Catija It's probably doing that because they want the ability to prevent people from revisiting earlier questions and potentially changing answers, which is a common thing to want in a survey, I think.
 
@RyanM I understand what you're getting at. I don't really know what to say about it, though because I'm not a researcher. I also don't know that this is likely the right survey for people who don't care about the options presented... to some degree, perhaps forcing responses filters out the people who aren't as interested in certain things for the very reason that they're not going to complete it?
 
if I had a manager, ranking the difficulty of "get my manager" would require qualifying who the manager is. Are they a jerk? Am I working at a large company? What are the internal rules? Do we even have managers? Do they do one-on-one mentoring?
 
To some degree, seeing people stopping a survey and not completing it is also data and, from what I understand, many surveys will track that, too.
 
@Catija Perhaps. I filled it out anyway, and I think Kevin did too. If you're trying to exclude them, it seems like it'd be better to do that explicitly.
A lot of surveys I've seen start with screening questions that will basically give you an "actually you're not the target audience here, survey over" if you give the answer they're not looking for.
 
10:49 PM
And when we do that, people complain :P We just can't win, really.
 
next, let's take "Think about when you're learning". If I imagined I was giving talks at conferences, it would require me to qualify what they are to assess how difficult it is. Are they huge? Do I have to give talks to potential investors? Am I giving a talk on the topic I am not confident in? Confident? Have mastery in? Is the talk at 10AM? Will there be a lunch break?
 
You could also do it question-by-question with an "N/A" option, if you want it to be less unceremonious.
The surveys I take still pay you if you're ejected early, so it's less ...abrupt, I guess :-p
 
And, of course, it's valuable data if people just stop filling the survey mid-flight, but it's just as valuable as, say, learning that your app loses users, or your investors are pulling out one-by-one. It's very educative, but it only means "your product/survey/app/company has problems"
If only there was a vibrant community happy to disassemble the heck out of any given product and tell you about every problem before that happens :) Oh, wait...
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I mean... I think that's one of the benefits of the answers not requiring you to rank them all. If getting your manager's supervision isn't necessary because you don't have one, set that option aside entirely and focus on the remaining ones.
 
that's the problem, @Catija. None of the rest fall under "most difficult" for me
 
10:54 PM
For me, it's super easy because SO gives us like $2k per year to spend on enrichment and practically forces us to do it... so that's the least of my problems... if you don't have a manager, set that choice aside.
 
let's take a most representative example - courses
I simply do not use them. At all. Nada.
Let's eliminate choices
"getting a course recommendation from a friend" - no idea, eliminating
"finding a course from an expert" - no idea, eliminating
"finding a course that isn't too long" - no idea, eliminating
"finding a course that fits my learning style" - no course would fit my learning style. Most difficult, then? But that's not what I said
even if I choose "finding one that fits my style", I am still left with 3 entirely inapplicable options, and I am required to choose one that's "easiest"
but none of them can be easier than the other - I simply wouldn't have an idea which one would be as none apply
see the point I am making?
I can throw a dice and choose, but then you'll get data that has nothing to do with me as an individual
I can imagine a reality where I take courses, but you'll get data precisely about it - an imaginary reality in my head that has nothing to do with real world.
 
But what if you pretended those things did apply to you
I haven’t taken a programming related course, or any course really, in 14+ years, but back then, I didn’t find it too difficult to figure out what college courses were relevant to my goals
 
then it would loop back to my previous point - I have no idea as I have 0 experience taking one. What would be long for me? I don't know. Would it be hard to get an expert? I don't know, I never tried. Would it be hard to get a friend to advise? No idea, never tried.
 
The tech world and learning/courses have changed a lot since then
Most recently I picked up and learned flutter/dart
 
And more importantly, any answers are for an audience that does not want to do the thing it's asking about.
 
11:04 PM
I didn’t seek out a course for it, or any online learning tool other than the official docs
 
A product that solves finding the best online courses for people with no desire to take online courses is very likely going to flop.
 
My way of learning a new skill is to use it, and then consult the manual when I need it
 
Well, you know lots of people here who are programmers, so it might be easier to find a good course than other things? For me, finding a course from an "expert" is kinda not important because usually the reviews for the courses can give me some idea of whether it's worth my time... course length only matters if it matters... learning styles are weird but that seems like a good most difficult - dunno.
 
I don't know, @Catija, that's the point. It might, it might not. But the survey does not leave me a choice.
and besides that, the main point is that when filling this survey is that I get a feeling that it does not want to hear about me. It wants to hear from a predefined respondent that fits those categories or suggests to me to "adapt" (read: "but if you imagined you've taken a course"). I don't, that's not me, and the data you'll receive is not about me, it's about a hypothetical non-me that never existed. And what you will get in the end is heaps of data about heaps of those "non-us"
Besides, wouldn't it be much more interesting to learn that, say, most of your respondents do not use courses at all? Or vice versa?
 
I appreciate that y'all have taken the time to explain it. I've got to run for now but I'll see if I can talk to them about it tomorrow. Particularly in the case of the courses question, having a "I don't take courses" might be a useful datapoint on its own.
 
11:10 PM
Cheers. Thanks for listening!
 
Night-o! Hope we could get our points across :)
 

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