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11:00 PM
@CodyGray I didn't say it was enough.
 
1 hour ago, by Cody Gray
@Scratte I've heard it is effective to beat them over the head repeatedly, and bring it up every time they enter a chat room.
I'm doing everything I can.
 
Not everyone goes to chat :)
 
Oh, is that the issue?
OK, I'll try to beat them over the head in the comments, too. That can be arranged.
 
I'm sure you're already doing that :)
 
Hopefully!
 
11:02 PM
One of our "Big Boys" in C++ (or is it C) has "I don't do chat" in their profile.
 
That's me on archive.org.
It's since been removed.
I wonder if they stole it from me! :-O
 
What made you start using chat?
 
Winning a moderator election
 
@CodyGray No, it's the Dude.
 
@AdrianMole I thought that was Ryan M?
 
11:03 PM
@CodyGray But.. did you say during that, that you refused all chat?
 
Ah, Joachim. I remember him.
@Scratte Yes.
 
Something doesn't compute..
 
What's that?
 
(++i + ++i)++
 
If you mentioned in the election that you don't do chat, and you won, then you could have just not used chat. So something else must have done it.
 
11:05 PM
Yes, I certainly could have not used chat.
 
Was there an Election chatroom all that time ago, when Cody was elected?
 
You didn't ask me if I was somehow forced to do it.
 
@AdrianMole That looks like one of manro's smiley faces :D
 
@AdrianMole I don't know if there was or not, but I didn't use it.
 
@CodyGray Why would I ask that? I assumed you'd volunteer pertinent information. I'm not trying to interrogate you :D
 
11:07 PM
There was no forcing.
The mod chat room was the gateway drug, I suppose. Also, I quickly realized it was a good way to educate people about site policies.
 
Ahh.. so a little "force" and you saw the light :)
 
Specifically, I realized that not everyone in chat was an idiot as I suspected.
 
Care to offer a percentage estimate?
 
It varies from room to room.
 
I'm not sure I want to know :D
 
11:14 PM
In all seriousness, my experience from early days was that the idiots who couldn't be bothered or were too stupid to ask a programming question on the main site would go ask in chat.
I'm very opposed to doing that, in part because it's annoying, in part because it's not effective, and in part because it subverts the entire purpose of the site, which is to build a knowledge base that can help others.
 
Oh! Ha! So by that logic.. there's lots of us who are too stupid to ask a programming Question :D
 
I suppose so?
 
When you talk about idiots im coming)
 
Hello :-)
 
@CodyGray It doesn't. I pleases the blood-cravers. Did you research this enough? Are you still alive?..
When asking in chat, I avoid having to ask on the site. It's part of my research.
 
11:17 PM
Being unwilling to put in work is not really something I'm interested in accommodating...
Yeah, and it subverts the whole purpose of the site.
 
Cody, when i will become a clever guy, what do you say to me?)
 
Are you saying I do not put work into my questions that I ask in chat?
 
Every question you ask in chat instead of on the site is knowledge that you're refusing to share with others. It's extremely selfish.
 
@CodyGray No, it's not. It's pleasing the people that hate all newbie questions.. it's not wanting to get a Question ban. Not wanting to see the blue banner. There's NOTHING wrong with not posting Question, as that should be the LAST RESORT.. according to a lot of close voters. I'm doing exactly what they want.
 
If you be know, how many questions i have, but afraid to ask...)
 
11:19 PM
It should be the last resort, after you've done basic things, like reading the documentation and trying to figure it out yourself.
It should not be the last resort after you've asked a question...
 
No.. not even close. Want me to fetch the meta posts that they almost always refer to in comments on those posts?
 
I would be 100% in favor of banning everyone who asked a programming question in chat instead of on the main site.
 
@Scratte Surely you don't agree with that terrible-but-still-highly-upvoted-for-some-reason-but-thankfully-also-highly-downvoted meta answer...
 
@manro Almost as many as I have, probably :) Don't ask them.. figure it out or ask them on Discord.
 
Being afraid to ask is just stupid.
I have no respect for that whatsoever. That, more than anything, puts you into the "moron" category for me.
If you're afraid to ask, you will never get smarter.
You're also not interested in using the site, which is the whole reason why we even provide a chat platform.
Thus, you shouldn't be allowed to use the chat platform, either.
 
11:22 PM
@RyanM I don't. But it's there and people agree with tit. And.. I've seen what happens to reasonable Questions on this site. I will not have my user card attached to any of those posts.
 
If someone gives you incorrect feedback regarding your question, that's on them, not on you.
Welcome to the Internet, where wrong things get said approximately... all the time.
 
@Scratte i haven't discord
 
When I started out I thought I was ask some Questions that had bothered me for a while. Then I started seeing what happens to Questions and I can live with not knowing.. because either way, I'm not getting an Answer to them.
 
I made a lot answers already
 
@CodyGray I don't really care. As long as I see what I'm seeing happening on main, I'm not going to help those haters get their frustration out on my posts.
@CodyGray I use the site all the time. I search for stuff and I find Answers.
@manro You can create an account, no? :)
 
11:25 PM
The problem cannot be solved by giving in to it.
 
^ +1
 
@CodyGray Permanent ban after second ban is real? Or I can again correct my posts?
 
There are no "real" or "permanent" bans here.
Only rate limits.
 
It also cannot be solved by posting Questions.. that will just get me into the "You're part of the crap post problem"-category.
 
If you post crap posts, yes.
Don't create that problem, either.
 
11:26 PM
I like HowTo-Questions! That's what is defined as crap posts now..
 
So do I.
I've asked and answered some of them!
Oh, I see.
 
Yeah. And.. recently one got closed and deleted, no?
 
Because once upon a time, a close voter made a wrong decision, the entire world changed.
 
@Scratte there exists SO chat group? In discord?
 
@manro I think so. But that's not where you want to go..
There's lots of servers on Discord about technology.
 
11:28 PM
"Simple" questions also lead to downvotes, which is unfortunate. How to write/print text to the console (stdout) in Java is down to +6/-5
 
@manro Dunno. But there's a Stack Overflow Facebook Page. :-)
 
Also only 122 views... I need to work on that title.
 
@Scratte Here is cooler, i know a little some people already
 
Perhaps proving the point that people don't come to Stack Overflow to look for help on basic things that are covered adequately elsewhere?
 
@AdrianMole i haven't Facebook too 😁
 
11:29 PM
Heh.. people in SOCVR has trying to post reasonable Questions :D ..I remember Dharman's getting closed.
 
Perhaps, except a Google search for "java print to stdout" doesn't find it
 
The thing is, good questions don't get closed.
Minimally acceptable questions might, which is unfortunate, but not the end of the world.
Nor a signal that one should abstain from asking good questions.
 
Top SO result is this with 3k views, which almost certainly helped none of those people.
 
@RyanM That.. is depressing.. but at least it wasn't closed too.
 
Some of it could also be revenge voting. I've certainly closed a lot of people's questions. Though it's always been one-offs.
 
11:32 PM
Can i demonstrate a draft of the question to you?
 
@RyanM You were saying something about titles?
@manro Question drafts go here: stackoverflow.com/questions/ask
It even gives you the option to post your draft to the site as a question once you're done with it.
 
@CodyGray The tricky Questions I have wouldn't get Answsers anyway. And I feel no reason to have e honeypot getting me Question-banned.
 
@CodyGray You're such a C programmer
 
@CodyGray ah, yeah, that's ...probably a better approach to fixing that. Good point.
 
@HenryEcker Absolutely! In my defense, the original title said "stdout"...
 
11:34 PM
@CodyGray Ah yes I see that now.
 
I generally don't use that term, even in C. I will generally say something more verbose like, "the standard output".
 
@CodyGray No.. they don't because you always say "You had plenty of time to prepare before you ask your Question"
 
@Scratte Sure. That's the point of drafting!
You don't have to immediately click "Submit". It even saves your draft for you!
 
@manro If you ask me, don't ask Questions here. Not until you're very very good in the technology, and then you have little reason to even ask.
 
The point is that you had time to prepare, not that other people had time to prepare for you. If you want other people to help you, then you need to post it. And, of course, it might get closed. Well, that's the first step to helping.
Fun fact: I started asking questions here before I knew anything about programming. In fact, I learned programming by asking and answering questions on Stack Overflow.
 
11:36 PM
@CodyGray Can you share it with others before submitting it?
 
@Scratte See my next message...
 
@Scratte if i will a very very good man in something i will only answering ;)
 
@CodyGray I read it. It's wrong. If @manro gets another Question closed, they just deeper into the ban.
 
Yes...
 
I've never seen any evidence that closed questions have any connection to a ban.
Misinformation abounds, of course.
As does a lot of FUD.
 
11:38 PM
It it's "bad enough" to get closed, it's bad enough to get downvotes.
 
Ooh - I just got a "+4 - User was removed" First time, I think.
 
@AdrianMole Not the first time a user was removed. :-)
 
No. All other times, I've had "-2" as the prefix.
 
I removed 4 earlier today.
 
Presumably, one of the revenge downvoters on my fabulous questions.
 
11:40 PM
@AdrianMole Ah, so what you're saying is, you usually get a bunch of upvotes from sockpuppet accounts? Interesting...
 
@CodyGray Someone should convince SE staff to answer my question, then ;-)
 
@RyanM I'm not even sure if there's anyone left on staff who knows the answer....
 
I was hoping for animuson, personally. He seems like the sort who'd know. Or at least, he seems good at finding the answers.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, but my sockpuppets work in the same technology as I do ...
 
Deletion counts against you a lot more than closure. I don't think closure counts at all.
@AdrianMole That seems inefficient. Why limit yourself?
 
11:41 PM
Noooo(((((
TODAY
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@CodyGray Meta says deletion doesn't count unless there's an Answer on it.
 
@CodyGray Have you tried teaching a sockpuppet a language you don't know? It's bad enough trying to teach them one you know...
 
Why life is so tough
 
@manro Don't get attached to the unicorn point :)
 
@manro It happens to all of us, from time to time (every so often, the staff do some cleaning up).
 
11:42 PM
Life's only tough if you're the user who is getting removed.
@RyanM I have, yes. I've had sockpuppets try to learn JavaScript.
 
@CodyGray how can i know, who was deleted? It is interesting)
 
@Scratte Meh. All of Meta on this issue is speculation.
 
I learned JavaScript in chat :P
 
@manro You'll never be told that info. Sometimes, you can work it out but it's the sort of thing you probably don't want to know.
 
@manro You cannot.. I was going to write a user script for it, but.. I got busy with other stuff.
 
11:44 PM
@manro You can't know. Even I don't know exactly who. I mean, I can't connect back to which account was deleted and affected you. I can see a list of the deleted accounts, but I can't see their exact voting histories, so I have no idea if they voted for you or not.
 
@Scratte what? Unicorn?
 
@manro Reputation points / unicorns point / imaginary points / internet points :)
 
@Scratte Just imagine if all of that learning was available as a resource to future prospective learners of JavaScript.
Now, kick yourself when you realize that you selfishly deprived the rest of the world of that benefit because you were obsessed with unicorn points.
Specifically, the pointed horn of the unicorn.
 
@CodyGray It is. Every version of my scripts are available as source code. And!.. had I asked any of the questions I had, they would most certainly have been closed.
 
I am not sure I believe that the source code being available is the same thing. The source code for plenty of other userscripts was publicly available to you, but it obviously did not help.
 
11:47 PM
@CodyGray You mean I selfishly made scripts and posted them on Stack Apps? And I selfishly maintain those script? And I selfishly added feature-requests? Are you kidding me?!?
 
Thx for conversation, i must sleep. I afraid to say, but soon is 2.00
Ohhhh
Bye
 
@CodyGray That is not true. I looked at other scripts too. And I used Stack to search for solutions. And please don't tell me that I should post another "How do I iterate an HTML Collection in JavaScript", because that would not have gone well for me.
@CodyGray But by all means, you want more Questions on Stack Overflow, I'll find those obscure regex Questions I have. You're welcome to post them, if you think they'll add value to the site. Then you can take the fight with the regex-duo yourself. I have no interest in doing that.
Here we go: What is in the capture group of ((?<=")?) on the two separate strings of "something and something ?
 
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