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4:40 AM
> treeviz-react is Treeviz implementation for React.
Okay, so maybe some proposed tag wiki excerpts define very obvious tags in ways that add nothing...
Think I'll reject that one.
 
I would say that is useless, yes.
Maybe should Reject & Edit?
 
@CodyGray I'm still not 20k ;-)
Only mods and 20k users can do that.
 
Oh
Oh, right, for tag wikis...
Sorry, I forget these things, you see. By the time this "Reject and Edit" feature came into existence, I already had well over 20k rep.
 
See, here's one that really needs an "...and edit" option. They removed a dead link, but then left the empty references section.
So I basically have to skip.
 
Maybe the link just needs to be fixed...
 
Already done.
 
Nice :-)
 
I decline an absurd number of custom "link is broken"-type flags with the reason "does not need moderator intervention; you should have edited instead", and then I just go add an archive.org link.
I don't know why this resource seems to be so unknown to so many people.
 
 
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5:59 AM
Attended the first home game win for the Seattle Kraken. Was fun.
 
 
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7:13 PM
Hello
 
@manro Hello
 
Hoorah
I will learn language with you :)
will be a latent englishman)
covert xD
@AdrianMole :(
 
Sorry, but you aren't wearing a hat. Even a sensible hat would do.
 
@AdrianMole hat, i hate hats. How i can wear a hat in XXI century?)
 
In the Winterbash season, you even get a "I hate hats" button on your top-bar.
 
7:22 PM
@AdrianMole Hm, because i read and nothing understood :)
 
No - there is a hat season that you can opt-out of, if you don't like fun. You'll have to wait a couple of months.
 
Why exactly a "hat season"? Why not socks or watch season?
 
LOL!.. I love that question. It's completely reasonable to ask :)
They just decided on hats. Lots of users have a "face". Not a lot of users have an avatar of hands or feet :)
 
@Scratte vote for my question ;)
Why not glasses or mustache? ;)
 
OK, so the explanation of "Winter Bash" is that during that time which is about 3 weeks or so in length, you'll get another feature in your profile. Hats. You can pick one that you put on top of your avatar and everyone will se you with that hat you picked. You can pick a new one at any time you want. The entire site is full of users wearing silly hats :)
Some of the hats you will know what to do to get, and some will be secret. So you'll get a hat, but you will not know what you did to get it. It will just appears as one of the options you can pick.
 
7:31 PM
Not all the hats are actually hats. Have a look through some of last year's.
 
Hm, i should live out to this season. I want to see it too ;)
 
This was the entire list of hats last year: Winter Bash 2020 hat list 👒 🎩
The one that Adrian posted is users posting themselves wearing them.. looking as silly as possible :)
 
I want a "Rep Hunter" ))
Scratte do you a native speaker?
 
Of course there's also a leader board and some users try to get to the top..
@manro Of what? I have one language that is native to me :P
 
of engish
english
 
7:36 PM
No. English is not my first language.
 
i know, you are Hungarian)
 
If Hungarian, username would be sqScratte.
 
LOL! I need to change my username now :D
 
Really? Hungarian?
Adrian, how to look like a native? Use shall instead of will?
 
I don't think I'm Hungarian.
 
7:39 PM
Land of Nod. Are you Hebrew?
Shalom
 
The use of "shall" and "will" confuses even most native English speakers. Generally, for 1st person ("I" or "we") you use "shall"; 2nd and 3rd person ("you", "he", "she", "they") you use "will". Unless you are being forceful/imperative; in which case, the usage is reversed.
 
Land of Nod is the place you go to when you sleep.. or a place that doesn't exists, no?
 
At school, we had a teacher who liked quoting the case of a man, who couldn't swim, falling into a river. He shouted, "I will drown and nobody shall save me!" So nobody did.
 
The Land of Nod (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ־נוֹד‎ – ʾereṣ-Nōḏ) is a place mentioned in the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible, located "on the east of Eden" (qiḏmaṯ-ʿḖḏen), where Cain was exiled by God after Cain had murdered his brother Abel. According to Genesis 4:16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.וַיֵּ֥צֵא קַ֖יִן מִלִּפְנֵ֣י יְהוָ֑ה וַיֵּ֥שֶׁב בְּאֶֽרֶץ־נֹ֖וד קִדְמַת־עֵֽדֶן׃‎ Genesis 4:17 relates that after arriving in the Land of Nod, Cain's wife bore him a son, Enoch, in whose name he built the first city. == Name == "Nod" (נוד‎) is...
 
"where Cain was exiled by God after Cain had murdered his brother Abel" :)
Would a Hebrew want to live there? :)
 
7:43 PM
@AdrianMole haha) i always mess with drawn and drown
 
@AdrianMole I've surely not heard this rule, nor observed it followed ^^;
 
But you're an American.
 
Ah, fair, that might be a BrE thing?
 
Where is a main difference between american and british english? pronounce?
@Scratte they love to suffer
 
land of Nod by Merriam-Webster "the state of sleep" :)
 
7:45 PM
@manro The main difference is Americans get it wrong ;)
 
@manro There are many
 
Shall and will. The page even has my old headmaster's example.
 
land of Nod by The Free Dictionary "The state of sleep; the figurative realm one goes to when sleeping. The phrase is likely an allusion to how one's head nods when one is falling asleep."
 
@Scratte i have never heard about it. but yes, old people sometimes nod when are falling asleep
 
Old people?!?.. Have you never been in a train during a commute? :D Especially around 17:00-18:00..
 
7:52 PM
@Scratte no, never
 
Well. Even young people have to let go when they fall asleep. Everyone nods at this point.
And even if you really wish they didn't.. everyone also seems to drool a little :D
 
@AdrianMole i love to use have got, never used gotten wtf
@Scratte really, i can't sleep when strangers look at me)
it is a private thing
 
lol!.. not to most commuters, it's not. You can get two more hours of real life in a day, if you spend your commuting time sleeping. 1 hour in the train into work, 1 hour in on the train back. 5 hours at night.. :)
 
i don't want to live in the big town with trains
better in the small city with bicycles
 
Ehh.. trains are usually between cities :D
 
7:58 PM
5 hours at night and say hello to bad skin(
 
And if you live in a small town with bicycles and you need a job, you'll most likely find it in the big city. And here is where the train comes in :D
 
We should find it via Internet. While we can work at the automechanic positions xD
I shall teach you ;)
 
You can. Most companies want you to show up the first few months every day. And they also prefer you come in a few days a week..
 
@manro Although correct (I suppose), "have got" is ugly, IMHO. Just "have" will do the job.
 
Almost all companies in my country that went with "working from home" during the pandemic, did it because they needed to. Now that it's over, a lot of them have a forced "3-4 days a week in the office" policy.
 
8:03 PM
Yeah, but your country is tiny. You can get from one end to the other, on a bicycle, in about 15 minutes. ;-P
... if you're riding that bike up/down the aisle of a B-737 in full-speed cruise.
 
And how i'll find a job via Internet?? Why I'm learning R when almost nobody know about it here ;((((((
 
The thing about working from home is fine, but they want people to engage in meetings and have face-to-face contact. Which saves us for the most part. Because if they didn't want that, then why hire expensive local people? They can get people to "work from home" for almost free from other places.
 
where is my ouzo ...(
 
Heh.. that's too funny :D I do not think your ouzo will help you.
 
I don't know what can help me )
 
8:12 PM
Arak.
 
.nophobia?
 
Arak, are you Adrianoglu Molecan? xD
 
Yes, we have no phobia.
 
Goodbye, men. You are nice pals ;)
 
Men and squirrel.
Not to be confused with moose and squirrel.
 
8:23 PM
I have not seen that..
 
Eh, guys(
Again this melancholy have came to me(
 
Too much ouzo can do that.
 
No, I don't touch it
 
Oh. So R is killing you? I think R can do that. I've looked at it and it's not healthy for me :)
 
R has the baddest syntax in the world 😁
But in the other stack will be harder to find any job for me)
I'm learning LaTeX in parallel, this destroys my brain too 😁
 
8:34 PM
Oh, my LaTeX is awful.
 
I'm not sure one language is easier than another really.. it's all down to memorizing stuff and learning structures.
I used LaTeX a lot when I was a student.
 
My resume is in LaTeX, based off of a template. You can tell which parts of the code I modified because they're not nearly as elegant :D
But I don't send out the code, I send out the PDF, so it doesn't matter ;-)
 
That is the point, no? :)
 
Also, I don't claim to know LaTeX or work with it professionally.
 
The thing about those technologies is that once you start to use it, you learn it.
 
8:38 PM
With the LaTeX your papers look sexy 😉
 
Define "your". My papers never looked sexy..
 
@Scratte ... tables in LaTeX especially cool
 
I can't remember I used those. I pretty much wrote paragraphs for the most part. But I used a lot of math symbols. And I find Word to be a right pain with that.
 
Yes, formulae are the best in LaTeX
Are you a mathematician?
Your diploma
 
@Scratte Relatedly, I've found myself wishing I could write my design docs in Markdown...embedding code in a word processor is an awful experience.
 
8:47 PM
@manro I did a bachelor in mathematics, but it's been a while now.. so I forgot all the details.
 
@Scratte You have a right education, nice base for IT
 
@RyanM Yes, I never really liked that I had to "compile" my document :)
@manro You would think so, yes.. :)
 
@Scratte Well, you don't have to compile in a word processor...but embedding highlighted code is still painful.
 
Hmm.. it's been a while, but I remember having to do something with my document before it became a nice pdf.
@RyanM I think I'm missing some critical information about what embedding means here.
 
Are you talking about LaTeX or a word processor?
 
8:52 PM
@RyanM I was talking about LaTeX.
 
Ah, yes, you do have to compile those.
by "embedding", I mean including within the doc
 
That's what I thought embedding means :) I used to do that with SQL in pl/SQL :)
 
Something like this
 
Ahh.. yes. That looks like code in the middle of text.
But is it truly embedded if it doesn't run?
 
Ah, well, that would be more advanced...
I just want the code there as an example of what I'm talking about
Like on Stack Overflow :-)
 
8:59 PM
Markdown will do that.. oh! we're come full circle :)
 
You can vote up for my markdowns 😁
 
@Scratte Exactly! but I don't have a good way to make my design docs in Markdown :-(
 
@RyanM How not? No renderer? Or transpiler? Or whatever we call those?
 
@Scratte Mostly that there's less tooling around collaborative commenting/editing.
 
@manro I never vote on users that I chat with.. note that the issue is exactly that I'd be voting on a "user" and not a post.
 
9:01 PM
We actually do have internal tooling for creating Markdown documentation...but it's not really designed around the case of sending a doc out for review.
 
Ah! You can hold a small seminar. And teach people to just read the markdown directly :)
 
@RyanM i can help you with Rmarkdowns for free. I need a practice.
 
What, and write the Markdown in a Google Doc? :-p
 
What's a Google Doc? (Sorry.. I have no idea. I don't use a lot of Google products.)
..I'm searching duckduckgo for Google Doc right now..
 
Google Docs is a browser-based word processor with collaborative editing and commenting, like Microsoft Word (I assume the online version can do the collaborative stuff).
 
9:05 PM
Ha! It (Google) doesn't even want to tell me unless I log in :D
That's a deal breaker for me.. :)
 
No login required :-)
 
"Never hit “save” again" :(
 
Ah, yeah, DDG shows those links in the opposite order...
@Scratte It's great! Means you don't have to worry about not hitting save.
and there's history so you can just go back to whatever version
and if you want to save explicitly, you can do that too, IIRC, by creating named versions.
 
I kind of generally don't overwrite stuff. I'll write what I want to change in the paragraph under and see if it's an improvement. Then I'll delete the old paragraph. If I'm sharing the document with others, I'd like to control when it's being saved, so I don't risk "Because #¤%"&! doesn't get it!" becoming part of the document :D Or more realistically FIXME! Do this..
 
ha. well, you can prevent recipients from viewing the history.
ooooh....typo:
> You can add up to 15 names versions per spreadsheet.
 
9:11 PM
That's a Scratte typo! :)
It's not that I mind using services, but I find that one spends a really long time figuring out how they work. Like GitHub. Did you know that you have to hack it by modifying the URL on a pull-request if you want to put a comment on of the commits? And that if you just make a comment on a "review" you're not allowed to delete your own comment?
That's the stuff that makes me not want to use the services, because it takes more energy to use them, then to just pull out my nodepad++ and write in there.
 
@Scratte I've definitely deleted my own comments, although maybe it was on an issue...
Accidentally commented with the wrong account :-)
(I have two GitHub accounts, one that uses a pseudonym because it's primarily for interacting with Charcoal things where I don't want trolls or spammers tracking me down quite as easily, and then another with my real name)
 
@RyanM Yes. I've done so too. But I can't remember the circumstance now. But I did make one comment, that I'm not allowed to delete. And now I'm paranoid about it, so I'm not commenting on anything at GitHub. If I want to comment, I'll need to check the docs first.. and now we're into time consuming territory.
fiddlings pull request go and search for "(deleted)". I'm allowed to edit it, but not delete it.. @¤#%"!!!
Notice the missing commit hash on the comment.. That's because it's a comment on the pull-request itself and not on a commit.
In order to comment on a commit, you have to modify the URL. There's no button for it.
Guess who designed this user interface, btw :D
 
9:50 PM
@AdrianMole What's confusing there is that "shall", "will", "must", etc. are often used in legal/technical contexts (e.g., requirements documents, contracts, etc.) to mean very specific things that standard English grammar and definitions do not use them to mean. Modern American English virtually never uses "shall". I am not sure if British English is different.
@AdrianMole Modern American English would not say this "correctly". (Although the "wrong" form—i.e., "I will drown"—is still "wrong".) At best, you'd hear: "I am going to drown..." You're never going to hear "shall".
@AdrianMole Did you not see: "Historically, prescriptive grammar stated that, when expressing pure futurity (without any additional meaning such as desire or command), shall was to be used when the subject was in the first person, and will in other cases (e.g., "On Sunday, we shall go to church, and the preacher will read the Bible.") This rule is no longer commonly adhered to by any group of English speakers, and will has essentially replaced shall in nearly all contexts." ?
 
I skimmed until I found the answer I liked, then stopped skimming. :)
 
@RyanM What do you do with all the recruiters who ask for your resume as a Word document? :-\
@AdrianMole It was at the very top.
 
@CodyGray Laugh, probably?
 
@CodyGray I was looking, specifically, for the "drown" sentence.
 
I guess I could update and export my now-very-old previous resume from Google Docs as a Word doc if I really wanted the job.
 
9:57 PM
@RyanM Markdown to RTF? I've used Doxygen, at least, to write documentation (outside of a source code context), and then converted to RTF, which can be opened in Word.
Unfortunately, Doxygen's RTF generation is not very good, so there was a fair amount of manual clean-up afterwards.
 
Yeah, the problem is largely around collaboration, though.
 
I agree with you heartily on this, though. Word is not the right place for technical docs. Markdown is so much better. And easier to check into source code, easier to collaborate on, universally editable, and yet easier, produces a prettier result, ...
 
10:09 PM
Cody is here, the master of bans and killings, good night ;)
 
killings? Or kittens?
 
I have never done a killing, and I'm not a big fan of kittens.
 
He nearly killed me 😁
 
In what way?
 
Oh! That's normal. Cody has killed everyone at least once.
 
10:12 PM
:-\
Not that funny?
 
We had a hot discussion :)
You remembered)
 
In arguments, Cody..
You don't win them all, but you win most of them :)
Don't worry.. we still love you.
 
And never ban us :(
 
The best way to not get banned is to know the rules.
 
We are learning rules in the process)
 
10:15 PM
That can get you banned.. that's learning the rules as you go.
 
Oh, yes, I like to get involved in arguments.
Moderators don't control the automated quality bans.
 
Oh. Is that the ban manro is talking about? I though it might have been a chat-ban
 
I'm assuming that's the ban he's talking about, since it was the ban he was talking about previously.
 
I had a chat ban too)
30 min
 
I don't think I have ever pulled the trigger on a chat ban. Although I suppose I've validated multiple flags that kicked users from a room for 30 minutes. But that's hardly a "ban".
 
10:18 PM
Just enough time for a good swig of ouzo.
 
@manro I see. You probably said something you shouldn't have.. no?
 
You are using really new interesting words : "swig"
 
@CodyGray It's a mute, no? Three of those in 24 hours will make it impossible to create a room.
 
@Scratte i made a lot, gave also a link not in [ ,,,]
 
@manro Yes. Did you read the rules of SOCVR?
 
10:21 PM
Yes, have read already
 
OK. I read them three times.. it's a lot to remember :)
 
It was ... umm, interesting ... to see Catija (whose chat profile says "I don't bite") bite, the other day. Multi-room spammer; banned for 2 hours. She just happened to be in SOCVR at the time, and they chose that as one of their target rooms. Oops.
 
define: swig "Ale and toasted bread."
 
Catija, mod from Russia?
 
Super-Mod (Community Manager) from Texas.
 
10:24 PM
@manro lol!.. I don't think so :D
@manro, I think you may want to open up to letting go of stereotyping people :)
 
How many Catijas in Texas?)
 
At least one..
@AdrianMole Catija is kind, not nice :)
 
@Scratte +1
 
From my limited experience with her, she is kind and nice. She's also an excellent member of the Stack Overflow staff. I was just both surprised (and really impressed) how quickly she handled that chat-spammer. (Before I could even get round to responding to all the flags that popped up, she'd acted!)
 
@Scratte swig our rouses, vikings. Tomorrow we shall destroy and rob Londinium. Roar!! 😁
 
10:29 PM
@manro Ah.. I think they don't do that anymore. They met their fate at Dane End
^ that's a joke, by the way :)
I drove by that place once, and it really made me laugh :)
@AdrianMole What I meant was that she's kind by nature, but don't mess with her.
 
Ah, I've committed the worst of sins, defending the company on Meta.
 
Also.. she'll not tell you whatever to make you happy only to realize it wasn't true. (Which is what "nice" people sometimes do)
 
You are here all from England
 
There goes my lack of downvoted meta answers ;-)
 
I'm not sure there is anyone here from England.
 
10:33 PM
@RyanM You need at least one to pass the test of not posting just to be popular ;)
 
Honestly, though, I wouldn't be surprised if it picks up more upvotes later.
 
Me either.. it's not a "The company has a right to do it. Just stop harassing theses poor millionaires. They're doing what's best for all of us. You just can't see it yet."
 
@Scratte It's a "kick". I don't know all the rules of what that means in chat. I'm sure you can find it on MSE.
@AdrianMole They were spamming what? Posting links to their questions in chat?
@Scratte Ack! No, wrong definition... I've never heard that one.
 
OK. But it doesn't allow one to talk in any room for the time one is not allowed to join, no? Which is the "mute" part.
 
@AdrianMole That's those Texans, eh?
 
10:44 PM
@CodyGray No - It was an online survey they were asking people to go to and partake of. I think the hit at least 6 different rooms.
 
@CodyGray I knew you'd notice :)
 
@RyanM /s/defending the company/opposing Makoto's crusade
 
@AdrianMole They did that in the election room too, no?
 
@AdrianMole Oh wow. Yeah, that's even worse.
 
Lots of blue circles popped up on my wonderful Chat Avatar.
 
10:45 PM
The green ones?
 
@Scratte OK. May be it was there, not SOCVR. I was in both at the time and I guess Catija was, too.
@CodyGray No. The blue chat-flag circles.
 
@RyanM It picked up mine. I read that blog post excerpt in the question carefully, even the emphasized sentence, and I didn't see anything objectionable about it, really.
@AdrianMole Oh, I see.
 
@AdrianMole Yes. I know which one it was. That's not biting, that's just closing the door :D
 
Indeed.
 
"25k reputation at 177 Days".. Gordon is going to have competition soon.
 
10:50 PM
@CodyGray heh. Yeah, I thought the second question griping about this was a bit much, and decided to respond.
 
@Scratte i think the akrun did achieve it faster, he is a real monster from R tag
 
@manro Yes. of course. Every time I look at that profile they have another 50K reputation points :D
 
@RyanM oh, actually I have one the other day, too, for the other cardinal sin of defending an answer that is merely mediocre, and was in any case an awful audit (as validated by the moderator who handled my flag on it)
@Scratte 141.2 reputation per day? That's less than half of what Gordon makes.
 
@RyanM they want 1M of Rep, maybe?
 
@manro hmm? I'm not sure what you mean.
 
10:54 PM
@RyanM You forgot that it's not a straight line. Once you have 1500 posts out there it really starts to pick up :)
 
@RyanM 1M of the reputation
 
@Scratte Sure, but keep in mind that to get that, Gordon needs to get an average of over 8 accepted answers per day.
 
@Scratte Assuming you have good posts.
 
@manro who? and what does that have to do with me being downvoted on Meta?
 
@Scratte Yea just 84,023 more answers to go
 
10:56 PM
@RyanM oops, i writed it to scratte, sorry)
 
Personally, I think the +15 for accepts should be included in the daily rep-cap.
 
To 1,52
 
@AdrianMole Personally, I think the daily rep cap is unsuitable for its designed purpose.
 
@RyanM i can upvote, where you need?
 
@RyanM Yes, but as someone once said on meta, they probably have a small archive of ready made Answers and just keep posting whichever fits the post ;)
 
10:58 PM
IIRC, the +15s used to count towards the 200 limit, but you'd continue to get that rep. from accepts after you reached 200.
 
@manro I'm not in the business of requesting upvotes. If you agree with me, you're welcome to upvote me, but I'm in no need of upvotes, nor would I want someone to upvote me for any other reason.
 
@manro 1M is not going to be enough, I think.. not even a billion. It's the nature of gamification. You always want more..
@HenryEcker You can do it. We believe in you ;)
 
@manro Please be very aware of not (habitually) upvoting those you 'like' in chat-rooms. There's almost certainly some form of system in place to detect (and reverse/punish) such voting patterns.
 
Funny. Henry's reputation points seems to be leveling off.
 
@Scratte Yeah. I just gotta stop doing all the chatting, review queues, and tangential data analysis on the ballot data. Really focus on answering questions... It's not really my thing. I like an interesting question and keeping my skills sharp. The reputation just sorta happened.
 
11:01 PM
... one such system is called Dharman.
 
@Scratte I wasn't working this past summer so I had more time. Also been doing more reviews and moderation actions lately.
 
@RyanM You mean the Meta answer that cost you the election? :-p I saw that one. 100% agreed with it, too.
 
@HenryEcker That's a reputation killer :)
I learned more about the site after I slowed down on answering..
 
@AdrianMole Depends. Do strategically placed carved pumpkins count as a "system"?
 
@AdrianMole Not sure if Dharman is working magic on meta though :)
 
11:04 PM
@HenryEcker You could post some self-answered Q&A on analyzing OPA vote data?
 
@AdrianMole i will know
 
@CodyGray Still working things out. I have the preliminary data processed. It's just a pain to get it into a nice looking visual output. I made some decision trees which are rather interesting but I can't get the dang spacing the way I want it.
 
I don't think there's much effort to control or inspect voting patterns on the Meta sites (except Meta.SE itself, of course).
 
Decision Tree Rooted at Ryan M for example. Very tiny text at the moment. Also some overlapping labels.
 
@AdrianMole As evidenced by the fact that no one has deleted Ryan M or Jeanne Dark or Hans Passant as my sockpuppets based on Meta voting histories?
 
11:07 PM
hehe
 
@HenryEcker Yeah, I'd absolutely upvote a Meta post with this stuff in it. Not that that would get you any rep, of course...
 
@manro It's better to vote on post when you come across them naturally. Don't check out profile and vote on stuff from them. It's kind of a bad idea.. even if the system doesn't find out today, it can still find out next month. There's not really a time when it's too late to reverse the votes.
 
But it's super cool and totally worth posting.
 
A Meta post would definitely work to share the results of this specific election. I would very much endorse that.
But I was going a bit further and talking about something a bit more generic (i.e., not specifically focused on this election) that would be an addition to SO's general knowledge base, and garner you rep for something you like to do anyway.
Self-answered Q&A are a criminally under-utilized feature.
 
@HenryEcker Have you considered only have the names once on each row, but with criss-crossing lines?
 
11:10 PM
Like I said, I have a fair amount of the aggregation done. Still working on the outputs. I probably won't have time to really work on the graphics until this weekend.
 
@zcoop98: This "excitement" you speak of is so far out of touch with those of us who've given feedback on it, that it honestly is negative. It's like our concerns or our questions or our opinions on it simply don't matter. And honestly, if they don't matter, I could live with that too. I just want them to be honest and up-front about it and own that. — Makoto 59 mins ago
 
@Scratte That was the first approach. It's somehow less clear?
 
^^ I'mma post my snarky comment here, rather than there. But, as Scratte says, "it had to come out":

"You certainly seem very excited."
 
@HenryEcker If you have it around, you can show us, no? :)
 
@Scratte high rep users can see who voted?
 
11:11 PM
No.
 
@Scratte no, that sounds far less clear since you can't see the ...dunno how to say it, but full ballot sets
 
@manro No. Even moderators cannot see who voted. However, moderators can see vote patterns. So, say, if you had voted a dozen times for Adrian Mole's posts, I would be able to see that suspicious voting pattern.
Not which specific posts you voted on, but the fact that you'd voten dozens of times for posts by the same person.
 
@CodyGray Hehe.. I agree, I think it's better to snark that here :)
 
@Scratte Yeah. Especially because I already got griped at once today for something that I didn't even intend to be snarky. (And, trust me, I know when I intend to be snarky.)
 
@HenryEcker Hmm, these numbers seem off, actually. Shouldn't the first line weights sum to ~4000?
 
11:14 PM
@RyanM But you could have... two.. images :)
 
@Scratte oh, that could work.
 
@CodyGray but if I really love Adrian's posts and they really helped me. How i can defend myself from moderators?
 
But it's still depressing. I still can't get over that people can be so wrong when they vote.
I really needed to see a diamond on your avatar. I'm going to get another box of tissues..
 
@manro We look at a lot of things to determine if the pattern might be justifiable. Say, for example, that Adrian and I work in the same technologies and answer a lot of the same types of questions. At that point, the "overlap" in voting seems a lot more reasonable. But Scratte and I work in very different technologies, yet are friends in chat, so if I have a bunch of votes for him, that's super suspicious.
And then there are other things we look at, which I cannot go into, because that would allow people to start using that knowledge to "game the system".
 
@Scratte Hmm. Just because people vote differently to you, that doesn't make them wrong. I'm not saying they're not wrong, just that none of knows why anyone else voted the way they did.
 
11:17 PM
Anyway, you should not vote for someone's posts because you love that person. Votes should be on the content of posts. So, only vote for a post that was actually useful to you in some way, that actually helped you.
Any time you sit down with a person's profile, go through it, and vote on their posts, you're doing it wrong.
@AdrianMole Sure, we do: Candidate score. Please pay more attention next time when reviewing.
 
I think you're almost certainly correct. But, last time, the two who won weren't the highest scores, IIRC.
 
@AdrianMole I understand your argument.. but in this case, I think they were wrong. I think they did not inform themselves. I think lots of people just did it for the silver badge.
@AdrianMole Last time, they had votes on a questionnaire on meta.. which is another quick pointer pointer, if you just want the silver badge.
 
@CodyGray also, I'm pretty sure you were the moderator who handled that flag, so I'm not surprised you agree :-)
 
@RyanM Which flag? Your flag on that answer? No, that wasn't me who handled it.
 
Hmm, we've got another mod who writes long helpful-flag messages, then...
Intriguing.
 
11:22 PM
@Scratte Sure. But it's gonna be a major task to significantly improve the system. Should we have 'weighted' votes? (I.e. mods get max weight, others have their votes weighted according to ... what? Reputation? Curation activity? Chat post count?)
 
@RyanM At least two others. Their names start with M.
 
...oh, yeah, I don't know why that didn't occur to me.
 
@AdrianMole Voters questionnaire :) It will involve people submitting their nomination earlier. Then voters have to pass a test in order to vote.
If they don't know anything about a user or their nomination, they don't get to vote.
 
@RyanM Yeah. I reduced the size of the data I was processing so I could focus on moving graph nodes around.
Current complete data with cross layout.
I was messing around. Note this excludes the 401 people who voted for only you @RyanM
 
We're drifting into dodgy territory, here. My top candidate did not get elected, and I am disappointed by that. But: (a) That's what can happen in democratic systems! (b) Maybe we should give those who were elected a chance to show their mettle!!
I made a fairly harsh public criticism of one candidate; but I'm now fully supporting that new moderator's position, in any way I can. I both hope and expect my doubts to be proved ill-founded, and I will be very happy when they are.
 
11:29 PM
@AdrianMole Hopefully their mettle and their Meta ;-)
(yes, I know some of the existing mods don't show up on Meta much. But I think it would be a benefit if they did.)
 
@HenryEcker How about one where at each step one is eliminated?
So people can see how the votes are redirected for each step?
 
But yes, I generally agree. I wish both new mods great success.
 
@RyanM Agreed. Also, what a lot of people miss is that a lot of the existing mods aren't very active, so their not showing up on Meta is not something special. it's just a consequence of the fact that they aren't actively moderating.
 
That had been my impression for a while.. but it's hard to see if they're doing something that we can't see.
 
That's true, especially when you're < 10k
 
11:33 PM
@Scratte That could be interesting, although the visualization currently shows the process of the election. I'd like to be able to visualize the correlation between people's relative choices. But again, I only really had enough time to pull together all the aggregations (that's something I'm pretty good at) the visualization is something I'm going to have to spend some time on.
 
I don't think there's any rush on it :) Or any obligation to do it.
 
@CodyGray Yeah - Getting 10k and seeing all those deleted NAA and Spam posts certainly made me more familiar with the usernames of the moderators.
 
11:53 PM
I'm sure that 10K threshold is when you get all those nice link-only Answers, so you don't have to spend time searching for the links yourself.
 

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