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8:26 AM
@flawr man, the plot really got annoyed when they destroyed the death star
@Adriaan that you
pink elephant
 
@AnderBiguri if only. Music's cool though
 
will listen in a bit!
 
9:08 AM
I heard you guys like Y-problems: math.stackexchange.com/q/4477926
 
so t is an integer in your problem? not a continuous variable?
 
in the end t is a real number
(there was a typo that I just fixed)
 
maybe my maths suck. How do you define the produck b if the variable you are using is continous
 
ah no, the k is an integer
(there is also the notion of product-integrals (the thing that is to a discrete product what the integral is to a discrete summation,b ut that's not solving it)
 
ok, I am sleepy, its me. So a(t), t can be anything, but you are only interested in the product of t=[0 k]
 
9:17 AM
I have some discrete points b_k
(that can be defined as a prodcut over some values of a)
and I'd like to find a nice expression interpolating these values
 
Do you think there is one continous function?
 
(i.e. find a smooth function through the set of points (k, b_k))
 
but you think there is somea nalytical solution to it, or will it be some arbitrary interpolation?
 
I'm pretty sure there is an analytical(-ish) function that goes through these points
but I was hoping this function is not only analytical but that it also has a nice "finite" expression in therms of "simple" functions
if so, it would save me a lot of work:)
 
@flawr SO ITS NOT A Y QUESTION
I don't have the toolset to help you with that question, sorry
 
9:23 AM
@AnderBiguri well but first of all it would be a neat result to have, I don't actually have high hopes that anyone has a good solution
but maybe to illustrate: so if instead of a product we had a sum (in the expression of b), then this whole thing could be expressed as a quadratic function beta(t) = u*t² + v*t + w
 
what youwld u,v,w be?
 
@AnderBiguri I would expect u = 0.5*A+-1, v =B+-1, w=+-1 or something like that
 
A and B are matrices or just numbers?
 
scalars, just numbers, real ones
 
9:39 AM
And you want your solution to pass through all bk, for k>=0 right?
 
right
so here we'd like to interpolate a product, and I thought maybe there is somethings imilar like when you evaluate the binomial cofficient for non-integers
 
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Q: Specifying a holomorphic function by a sequence of values

A l'MaeauxGiven a sequence $(z_n, w_n)$ of pairs of complex numbers such that $|z_n| \to \infty$ as $n \to \infty$, there exists a holomorphic function $f$ such that $f(z_n) = w_n$ for all $n$. Proof: By the Weierstrass factorization theorem, there exists a holomorphic function $f_1$ with only simple zero...

This seems more general
They don't give an expression though, just say it exists
 
right:)
oh
I think I have a solution
 
logs?
 
so for b we can define the recurrence b_t = (A*t + B)*b_{t-1} right?
 
9:52 AM
yup
 
so it would be too far fetched to impose the same for beta
beta(t) = (A*t + b) * beta(t-1) but for all t, right?
suppose such a beta exists, then it would definitely solve our problem
it turns out such a beta does exist
or maybe not
my math is getting rusty
 
What's wrong using your product to define your function by the way?
It is already well defined
 
I just realized I made a mistake, this makes no sense:/
@BillBokeey you mean just linearly interpolating the product?
 
You could define beta as (for t in [k,k+1)):
beta(t)=a(t)*prod{_n=0}^{k}a(n)
it would definitele pass through all your points
or by getting rid of the fact that t is in [k,k+1]:
 
you probably mean t in (k, k+1]
 
10:06 AM
yes
beta(t)=a(t)*prod{_n=0}^{E(t)}a(n)
 
that could work but it would be far from smooth I think would it even be continuous? (referring to the former)
because you have beta(t+epsilon) = beta(t) * (A*epsilon + B) =~= beta(t)*B, so this only works for B = 1
@BillBokeey what is E?
 
floor function
 
(anyway, please don't waste more time than you want on this, I realized I made a mistake and my problem is elsewhere:)
ah I see, so still we have the same problem:)
 
Allright no probs
yeah
it's the "it's ugly but in a way kinda works, let's look at what it does numerically" kind of stuff
 
haha yes
 
10:12 AM
last try
beta(t)=a(t-E(t))*prod{_n=0}^{E(t)}a(n)
this one is smooth
i think
:)
 
sorry I think it dosn't work either
here you multiply with a(t-E(t)), but we'd actually like to multiply with something close to a(t)
but a(t-E(t)) is always between a(0) and a(1)
 
right
dang
 
but thanks a lot for your help:)
 
OK, I'm addicted now can't stop :
prod_{n=0}^{E(t)}a(n) + (t-E(t))[prod_{n=0}^{E(t)+1}a(n)-prod_{n=0}^{E(t)}a(n)] is order 1 smooth
prod_{n=0}^{E(t)}a(n) + (t-E(t))[prod_{n=0}^{E(t)+1}a(n)-prod_{n=0}^{E(t)}a(n)] +0.5*(t-E(t))^2[prod_{n=0}^{E(t)+2}a(n)-2*prod_{n=0}^{E(t)+1}a(n)+prod_{n=0}^{E(t)}a(n)] is order 2 smooth
think finite differences kinda stuff
 
yup, that amounts to piecewise linear interpolation:)
(and quadratic in the second case)
 
10:25 AM
well it is an analytically defined, as smooth as you want answer :)
Which is then valid haha
 
it is not analytical! (i.e. smooth, i.e. infinitely differentiable)
and it is still piecewise defined thanks to the floor:)
back to the idea with doing something similar as with the continuous binomial coefficient: I think that should work- but I don't have time for that right nwo:)
 
 
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12:02 PM
That math.SE page 404s for me. Is the problem still relevant, and is it interesting? :P I skimmed the transcript but the problem statement didn't jump out at me...
 
I deleted the question as I noticed the mistake I made - the problem itself is not relevant anymore:) (but maybe still interesting)
I already got an answer from someone who didn't read the question and I feared I'd have to deal with more of those.
(They deleted it later though.)
the question was if we have a sequence b(k) = product(a(s), s=0,1,2,...,k), can we extend b(k) nicely to non-integer arguments k
where a(s) = A*s+B an affine function
I can write down the solutioin I have in my head later, but not right now:)
 
Interesting, I did have a comment there, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore!
 
1:25 PM
But yeah, MORE SOFTWARE
PLS
 
2:01 PM
ah, they killed your comment :(
 
 
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3:37 PM
Crap! Did you guys see the developer survey results? 23.34% use Vim! WTF???
Also close to 10% use nano. I hope this is "yeah, I use that occasionally to edit a config file on a remote system" and not "I write software in it". This is the question "what IDE do you use?", not "what editor have you ever used at least once".
 
I know of people who write C++ in notepad++
 
@CrisLuengo did you expect more or less?
 
@flawr I knew some people use it, I just can't believe that nearly 1 out of every 4 programmers choose to use an incomprehensible interface.
Also: 80% of MATLAB programmers do not want to continue using MATLAB...
 
I think many people probably don't use vim itself, but rather vim plugins in other IDEs
 
MATLAB is at the bottom of the loved/dreaded list.
 
3:44 PM
@CrisLuengo suprised by that, MATLAB is a fairly nice language I'd say
I assume its because most peopole who do MATLAB and answered the questionarie are computer scieintist that have been forced to code CS projects in MATLAB
not users who use it as an scripting language to solve engineery problems
 
Yes, you are probably right.
LOL. "Tensorflow remains the most wanted [library]." And Google just dropped it in favour of JAX.
 
Interesting, because EVERYONE I know prefers pytorch
 
"Neovim is the most loved editor for the second year in a row"
Vim people are unstoppable! :p
 
they are the utilitarian mosnter
not that many, but DAMN they have love to give
 
4:22 PM
Median salaries increased by 23% on average between this survey and the one the year before. survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/…
That's crazy.
 
wow
it would be interesting what explains that
because I don't think this is the reality in most EU coutnries, for example
 
Salaries increased a lot last year across the board though. Lots of people leaving their jobs because lockdown made them realize they didn't like it. Meaning lots of employers needing lots of new people, which drives salaries up.
 
I guess
I did get a salary downgrade
yay.
(because I moved from London to Cmabridge and I don't get "London allowance")
but "yay." anyway, inflation is close to 11% in the UK
 
:(
Cambridge is pretty though.
I remember there was nowhere to have dinner there when I visited a weekend day. All pubs closed at 3 pm or something like that.
 
nah, definetly not like that!
Cambridge, UK, of course, just in case. But nah, its quite a lively town for its size, I'd say
maybe you were unlucky, when did you visist?
 
4:34 PM
It was during the summer. I lived in Bedfordshire for three months (Unilever Research at Colworth House, really pretty campus, they put me up in one of the two guard houses at a side entrance of the campus), some time in the early 2000's.
Students not being in town was probably the reason it was so quiet there. :)
 
 
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6:57 PM
@CrisLuengo boo
@AnderBiguri also boo
 
 
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9:37 PM
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні :D
 
10:03 PM
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