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11:10 AM
@flawr COOP had a great range of mugs! Red ones with a white plus on it. They weren't pleased for some reason when I asked whether they had others in this series: blue with a minus, green with a multiplication sign, yellow with a division stripe etc....
 
11:43 AM
@Adriaan haha
well if you tilt the red one slightly you get a \times
and at the same time they are all just ceramic donuts!
you see, they are very flexible
(you can also paint the top and bottom part of the + red, and you get the the austrian flag. It's not surprizing they are attracted to switzerland but always have such a negative attitude.)
 
12:18 PM
 
How common is this: I asked my Delft-prof for a reference letter (ETH wants that) and he said "Sure, you write a letter, I'll change it where necessary and send it back"
It feels weird to have to write my own letter of recommendation
 
@Adriaan doesn't sound too far-fetched. Not in any way official, but practical
 
Hi!
 
hello
 
\o
 
12:31 PM
I submitted this edit stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/21994738 but a experimented reviewer rejected as This edit defaces the post in order to promote a product or service, or is deliberately destructive.
 
@Bebs I don't see the reject. Did you resubmit it?
 
I'm pretty sure it fixes a dead link, so it shouldn't be considered as "destructive"
 
or can you see in-progress reviews on what you submitted?
 
@AndrasDeak Yes, I see the in-progress reviews
 
The reviewer missed your edit message and thought you were being vandal, I think. Screw that.
approved it now
 
12:34 PM
@AndrasDeak well it's pretty known that "helpdesk" is outdated
edit reviewers should take their job more seriously
 
eh, I didn't even know that and I use matlab
 
thanks @AndrasDeak
 
@Bebs all reviewers should, and many don't
just clicking both links makes it obvious
the reviewer isn't that experienced, they have 2k rep and 161 reviews altogether stackoverflow.com/users/4879665/…
I've found another similar review of theirs, will flag for a mod stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/21672428
@Adriaan eh, I'd watch with such "jokes" because it's not obvious at all that you're joking
lot of people make genuine remarks along those lines
 
yes, he oftens uses the same rejecting excuse
 
@AndrasDeak hm, good point
 
12:36 PM
@Bebs Yeah, that's for spam and vandalism. Definitely off.
 
He uses the worst rejection reason too often I think?
 
@Adriaan He should be informed in how to use the review feature correctly
 
Basically, yea
 
flagged, they'll be informed
 
@Adriaan Very common, and I completely hate it.
 
12:43 PM
How long does such a letter need to be :s I have summarised the remarks I received on my thesis now, but that only got me to 10 lines
 
MOAR
I can send you the letter my advisor wrote me, if that would help
 
Yes please do, thanks
My thesis remarks are largely 'constructive criticism', so I'm not sure I want all of that in a letter
 
probably not
what you worked on + what a great guy you are are probably the main themes
 
I'd include following points, but maybe you've already covered all these: What kind of stuff did you do, how long did you do it for, what was "exceptional" about it, the impression you left on your advisor, why the advisor would recommend you etc
"Over several years, the pink elephant flapped really nicely with his ears in an unprecedented manner. His flappery lead to breakthrough results. I think he is a hard flapping flapper, he flaps well in teams and a great endurance. I seem him as a valuable contributor to the flapping community. If you have any further questions about this elephant, feel free to contact me."
2
 
@Adriaan sent
 
12:58 PM
@flawr you mean fapped?
 
@Bebs no why, you dirty mind
 
@flawr i don't know, if you remove the 'l' it works too :)
 
1:10 PM
@flawr apparently I misread somewhere; Credit Suisse also charges 2 Fr for ATM withdrawal at a machine from someone else
 
1:21 PM
@Adriaan yes but this is something pretty much every bank does, afaik
 
@Dev-iL very helpful, thanks! (Can't I just sent this one to my supervisor? :P)
 
@Adriaan that is a Bankomat btw:)
 
@flawr uncommon for me; in NL the big banks are even talking about getting rid of bank-based ATMs, and just get a single, general one for all banks. We haven't paid charges for withdrawing at other ATMs anyawy
@flawr bankomat? That what CS calls their ATMs?
 
@Adriaan "cash withdrawal machines"
@Adriaan swiss people love cash
 
Haven't had a single rappe in my hand since I arrived the 15th ;)
@flawr sounds very German btb; my little brother has lived in Berlin for half a year, and he barely used his bank card, except to get cash out of the wall at a bank office. Lots of shops there don't even have a PIN terminal (as opposed to here, luckily
 
1:35 PM
Spain is the same, we are slowly changing to cards though
 
@Adriaan that isn't possible anways, you'd have to have at least 5 rappen:)
 
In the Netherlands mostly elderly people still use cash; it's very common for 'young' people (anyone under 45 basically) to only have a card in their phone-caching, or one of those fancy Faraday-cage card holders
 
I tried arguing with my bank that paypass is a security vulnerability and I'd like to set my own limit for no-PIN transactions.
 
I had that removed first-thing, of course :p
wireless payments you mean, right?
 
yup
here it has a fixed limit which you can't change...
 
1:41 PM
@AndrasDeak is it though?
 
yes
 
If they steal your card only, right
 
It was used exactly once with my card: when it fell out of my pocket at a train station. Within 10 minutes €40 worth of crappy phone-cards was bought with it. Luckily the bank reimbursed me (apparently you're insured for that), and have had it disabled ever since
 
Offline transactions charge you without talking to the banking network. How does that distinguish an honest shop from a shady guy on the metro with a reader in his pocket sitting next to you?
 
1:42 PM
@Adriaan I believe this is by law. The bank must reimburse the contactless paymets if you claim lost card, this is one of the reasons for the amount cap
 
Unless there's some a posteriori correction once the offline transactions get logged, it's insecure. And I doubt that there are.
 
@AndrasDeak but this never happened, right? All news I read about creepy guy iin the metro were debunked
 
@Adriaan wireless, or wireless without PIN?
@AnderBiguri you rarely get stabbed in the face in your bed, yet you lock your door.
a security vulnerability that is not usually exploited is still a security vulnerability
 
yeah yeah, I read a debunk as in, this is very hard to do because you need to phisically get teh machine to 1mm of the card
so tis easier to just rob you
 
yes, guy sitting next to you on the subway
 
1:44 PM
e.g. my wallet is thick enough that the payment does not register
 
@AnderBiguri I never tried that, but I'd hate that to be the only obstacle.
 
fair fair
 
also I don't know if it's possible to boost the RFID (or whatever) signal
these are passive systems and I'd expect a stronger input to lead to a stronger response, to a degree at least
 
I use it a lot to be fair, but I know my bank must reimburse me for crappy stuff. Once my card was duplicated (we assume some dodgy ATM in Bristol) and I got 400£ in some dodgy store in San Francisco
the bank reimbursed everything without asking
@AndrasDeak makes sense
 
I use it too. I'd just want to be able to say that I want a lower limit that I'm willing to give to strangers, should shit happen :P
 
1:46 PM
haha fair point
 
the fixed limit is around 16 euros, which is not a huge deal, just meh
 
30£ in the UK
 
35€ in CH
 
2:16 PM
100CAD here
I love the tap feature
Perfectly for lazy north americans like me
 
@ballBreaker 'course you do
 
thats a lot of CAD though, right?
 
It's a decent amount, yeah
I think the max is like 1k or 2k in total a day on tap
 
To be fair, unless I lose my card, it's extremely unlikely someone will charge anything against it
People buying those metal wallets are just old people falling for a scare-tactic scam
No one is walking around a subway with a POS machine lmao
That shit is sooooo easy to track
 
2:23 PM
@ballBreaker "just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean I'm not being followed"
 
heh
Good quote, I like the nirvana lyric too
 
it's common wisdom :P
 
Yeah
 
And metallic sleeves or plated wallets aren't going out of your way too much
 
lol
I think you're as likely to get struck by lightning man
I'd rather just risk it
 
2:26 PM
You aren't exactly the person to argue for generic safety :P
 
I suppose, just seems overly paranoid to me, personally
I'm all down for general things to keep your money safe / accounts safe, etc
But that's just overboard to me
Especially if you know how easy it is for banks to catch the people doing that
That combined with the fact that it's a no-question asked refund on your card
Just seems pointless
Maybe it's a worse issue in the EU?
 
In NL it's almost impossible to get a machine to get RFID payments on the metro. Not that the device, including amplifier, is hard to get, the problem is that for the actual money transfer to work you need to have a Chamber of Commerce registration
 
ScammyScam Corp
For the joke I was looking for synonims and I am incredibly happy to announce that boondoggle is an english word
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I hope this makes you as happy as it does me, because it looks like a joke, but its not
( to non natives)
 
2:46 PM
@AnderBiguri sounds like the Dutch epibreren
 
@AndrasDeak would it be theoretically safe to allow non-sudoers to run pip without pass?
O well aparently they do have access anyway
nvm
 
bahahaha
@Adriaan Yeah same here, all POS services have to be registered in Canada as well, and it makes it really easy to track
 
pip can execute arbitrary code. Take that at face value.
I install everything with --user
 
@AndrasDeak well, I am the only sudoer, but aparently all the other users can execute pip
maybe it only installs stuff for their local env or something
 
Yup, but they can only install with --user or in a virtualenv
 
2:59 PM
dunno, I haven't given access manually, so I assume its a virtualenv automatically?
 
they definetly do normal pip install nameofwhatever without problem
 
hmm
That shouldn't work with system pip on linux
which pip might help figure it out
 
/usr/bin/pip
I am not too worried, all users are sitting within 10m from me
 
Eh? For them? And where does it install?
 
3:01 PM
I smack them if they do something wrong
@AndrasDeak ah no, for me
 
they jsut left so I can not test their output XD
 
Either way get them and yourself to use python_you_want -m pip
 
whats the difference?
I have pip/pip3 for 2.7/3.6
 
the difference is making sure you use the right pip if there are more installations stackoverflow.com/questions/2812520/…
95% of installation issues on SO are covered by "try installing it first" and "try installing with the right pip first"
the only way to be sure that python foo.py has what you want it to have is to use python -m pip install. No second guessing needed.
 
3:06 PM
That makes sense, thanks!
 
no worries
only if you are in an active virtualenv can you be sure that python and pip are the local ones
 
ah, Is houdl learn all of this with better detail, as my py-dev is leaving soon and I must be able to at least bugfix pytigre
we already have a heavily untested python -m pip install pytigre up there, but yeah, heavily untested :(
 
well, it either works or it doesn't :)
1. does it install? 2. do imports and calls work?
 
yeah, its the code itself heavily untested, the pip call works fine
 
never too late to write tests ;)
 
eli
3:11 PM
Hi, Did someone work with blob detection on medical images?
 
yeah, thats my py-devs next job: break it
@eli do you have a specific question?
 
eli
I have written a code, but it doesn't work for medical images. While it works on non-medical images.
 
@AndrasDeak WHO COMMITED THAT
@eli you are being very, very very ambiguous
 
Mrs Simpson, probably
 
3:16 PM
You can possibly find more than 5000 papers in blob detection in the literature
@AndrasDeak The ammount of crappy commit messages I have, often because of typos, is sad
im triying to be better
 
eli
Yes, I wrote it according to the LOG from a paper.
 
hold on, it only returns matrices for matrix input?! docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/…
 
eli
@AnderBiguri Did you work with blob detection on medical images (CT images)?
 
possibly, I have no idea, I haven't written the code myself, just supervised it on a higher level
 
nevermind, that may be the only repmat in numpy, weird
 
3:19 PM
@eli I work in CT images yes, but what are you expecting from that answer? Yes or No, what does it matter if you not share more information xD
 
yeah, there's no np.repmat
 
well, posibly thats the reason then
 
yeah, that should not be in the code
once you have tests I can help remove these weird things
 
that'd be amazing
 
3:21 PM
I mean, in theory you can test most of the code now, there are 5 demos that should execute
 
does it not need GPUs?
 
yes it does
 
and unit tests would be more reassuring ;)
@AnderBiguri then nope :P
 
D: hehe not much I can do about that
 
eli
@AnderBiguri You should see my code. It is so hard to explain it here.
 
3:22 PM
You may want to open a good question in the main page. If you hsow effort and complete code and examples, you will get an asnwer
@AndrasDeak you can however oppen issues and tag them as enhancements if you want, we will have a look at all that stuff
 
eli
@AnderBiguri Ok, Thanks.
 
@AnderBiguri meh, most of these are cosmetic, not really worth burdening anyone with it
 
well yeah, the code kind of works (bugs here and there but works), so they must be cosmetic
 
@eli what would be the difference between medical and non-medical images...
 
also stuff like elif type(old_attrib) == np.ndarray:
 
3:26 PM
@eli also don't forget to include what do you mean by "doesn't work"
 
whats the "nice way" @AndrasDeak?
 
@eli and don't ask a question with a question ;-)
 
eli
@Bebs Ok :)
 
@AnderBiguri isinstance(old_attrib, np.ndarray) in order to accept subclasses. That being said, numpy subclasses are a mess.
 
eli
@Bebs code can't do blob detection on CT images.
 
3:29 PM
@eli that is not much information. We know it cant. Otherwise you wouldt be asking!
 
also I don't know what this is doing but it looks very hacky
 
My py-dev is learning python and loves hacks, I need to stop his feet very often
 
plus looping over a dict.keys() is an antipattern
 
eli
@AnderBiguri Yes, I should ask it in StackOverflow.
 
@eli "code can't do blob detection on CT images." does the computer crashes? Does the results inconsistent?
do you have an error message and what is the message?
 
3:31 PM
@AndrasDeak interestingly I can not see any instance of it being used
Without any commitment, @AndrasDeak do you want access to the slack channel so you can spit any comment you have in there, and we can have a look?
I don't want to drag you into this, 100% only if you want, with no commitment of anything
 
eli
@Bebs I will ask it in StackOverflow. Please help me there.
 
Uuuh I'm not sure. I guess we could do that, but let's get back to that later when I can have a proper look at the codebase and not coming down with a cold :)
 
otherwise here is good ;)
 
I also don't want to intrude
 
Well, any help is always good so its never intrusion, but no worries. Just let me know if you want and ill send you an invite ;)
 
3:35 PM
thanks, I'll try to keep it in mind
 
@eli of course, I just want to make sure your question is good so you don't get destroyed by other users
matlab experts, I'm not 100% sure here: stackoverflow.com/a/54310935/7105378
I would like to confirm "Matlab will actually do these matrix multiplications until he finds the best result."
 
yes, most algorithms to solve Ax=b type of problems will compute at least one instance of A*x and A.'*b in each iteration
 
@AnderBiguri so they don't simplify if there is a lot of zeros
 
You mean, not compute zero rows of A?
 
3:51 PM
yes
 
You would have a bad A, if I am not wrong, as you shoudl provide A and b. And a row of zeros means 0=b_i, which, unless b_i is zero, its just plainly bad info
 
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if b_i is zero, then you are probiding an advanced nonliear optimization algorithm the information 0=0
@flawr D:
 
@AnderBiguri that's right
@flawr nice... I'm not smart then :)
 
@flawr *triggered*
 
3:53 PM
I assume MATLAB is not that much idiot-proof, so it will compute the entire matrix multiplication
 
@AnderBiguri this can lead to different "paths" do find the minimum and end with a different position
 
depedns on the algorithm I assume
but possibly
I am not an expert on the ones fmincon uses
 
I didn't want to add too much details about this in my answer. I think OP was just noticing that it can result to different values
 
yes I think your answer is good ;)
 
and ask which is best
thanks
in most cases answer is not even rational so no way a computer can display it exactly
 
3:59 PM
these are numerical methods though, it will never get to an irrational answer, eps is the best you can do
 
eli
@Bebs Please see this dsp.stackexchange.com/questions/54846/… . But now my question is about: Blobs in the CT slices can't be detected using my code. I guess it is because of low-resolution CT images. I did some preprocessing steps to improve slices, but the output is the same as the previous.
 
@AnderBiguri this is only the case if you have a finite number of iterations
 
@flawr no, eps is still the best you can do with infinite iterations. You need both infinite iterations AND infinite precission to get to irrational numbers :D
 
@AnderBiguri that is why I use the symbolic toolbox for my numerical methods
 
You made me cry :,(
 
4:09 PM
sorry:)
(at least this is what 50% of the people asking matlab questions here on SO are trying to do)
 
indeed
 
 
1 hour later…
5:12 PM
@AnderBiguri isn't this a weird or unintentional use case for Luis' "array inside slice"?
 
no idea whats going on there really, I rather not do any assumptions
OP does not seem to be even near the right track on understanding what they are doing
 
yup
 
the edit is baffling
 
closed it by then :P
 
OP: x:x+5 and x-1:x+5 give different results!
:/
yes?
 
5:16 PM
lol
 
 
1 hour later…
6:20 PM
LOL. This person is now going passive-aggressive. "In order to clarify my question, will copy 3 times of the title."
That is sort of "you don't understand what I'm asking so I'll ask it louder."
Where I grew up in Spain (rather touristy area), the local population had this thing they called "speak foreign", where they would just speak more slowly and loudly.
I don't think that ever works. :/
 
well speaking more slowly sure helps
louder not so much
 
@AnderBiguri I was opposed to rolling back, as it now removed some useful text
 
its closed anyway
useful text ?
 
@AnderBiguri the another example bit
 
well, there is no more information in the text he added
 
6:34 PM
@CrisLuengo same thing works here
well, it doesn't
 
7:01 PM
@CrisLuengo almost makes me want to undelvote and downvote...
 
7:16 PM
Yo don't have to group everything into square brackets in MATLAB you know. Only if you have multiple elements (such as in data_a), but not around the individual elements... — Adriaan 7 secs ago
@AndrasDeak someone mistaking MATLAB for Python
 
it can't hurt though :P
I probably wouldn't type out that array by hand in numpy either, just create a 1d array and reshape to a 2d column
 

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