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21:00
my boss will never go for persistance stuff
thats bad for scalability
@ScottSelby yeah, you'd never want to do that
yeah, you gotta worry about stale data when that happens :(
arrrgggghhhhh
@PhillipSchmidt - never mind , got this exception "Cannot add an entity with a key that is already in use."
didn't like this - db.tblEvents.Attach(newEvent, a)
your a was probably null
or it didn't have an ID somehow. But that would be impossible
oh wait
no
no, its because they share the same key
and I get this exception "An entity can only be attached as modified without original state if it declares a version member or does not have an update check policy." when I try db.tblEvents.Attach(a, True)
21:11
@ScottSelby -
TableName tableDataFromSomewhere;
DbSet<TableName> dbSet = context.Set<TableName>();
dbSet.Attach(tableDataFromSomewhere);
context.Entry(tableDataFromSomewhere).State = EntityState.Modified;
context.SaveChanges();
Hi All,
People still use Entity Framework? There is a good Dapper library which is successfully used by StackOverflow
I didn't write C# code for a while, is there a way to find out in C# how many threads are waiting on a WaitHandle?
or I will have to manually implement that before I block on it?
@vorrtex - pros, cons?
@vorrtex Shhhhhhh.
21:14
Dapper is faster. Entity Framework is slow as hell. Other pros/cons don't matter.
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@vorrtex rookie mistake. Fast is irrelevant. Fast enough is important.
Speed of development might matter
fast is irrelevant for developers, but it matters for users who will use the website
my lead loves to keep a ton of stuff on his machine and just drop code bombs every few days. There's a table in a sproc I need, but he hasn't checked it in
21:18
I know people who preferred github over bitbucket only because the website is faster, and not because they compared git and mercurial
The speed comparison is only in the generation of the query. Generating queries does not take long versus actually fetching them from the database.
Another important note is which connectors the ORM is compatible with.
ORM is query generation + mapping of objects. The mapping in EF is very slow too.
EF is very bleh
Oh god, I just set an email folder with 1.2M messages as "Mark All As Read", it's locking Outlook for 30 minutes
Freezing Outlook is nothing special.
21:23
You still use outlook?
Y...es?
ouch
Outlook is still pretty much the only email client in its class as far as I'm concerned
I've only been using it for a few months.
and I'm not a microsoft enthusiast at all
21:24
So 'still' might not be the right word.
I use Lotus Notes at work, can't say I like it much, the chat function SameTime is nice though
I mean, if you like being a victim. Outlook has had several severe security breaches over the past few years. Not sure if I trust them.
Severe security breach... meh.
@PhillipSchmidt The newest release of Outlook certainly has (nearly) all of the features I'd expect in an enterprise e-mail client.
Getting a new virus on the computer is just a good opportunity to review my registry and decompile some interesting code.
Right @Kendall?
21:26
Email in itself is a problem, 80% of the emails I send at work would be better as forum posts
The only problems are (a) it's Microshaft, and (b) it won't let me do multiple Exchange accounts on the same box (my school and all three of my internships have all used Exchange).
@TravisJ how could an email client even have a security breach, though? All of the security would be at the server level, no?
@ShotgunNinja lol, and I can do multiple Exchange accounts on my Android phone, that's hilarious
@Pheonixblade9 I can't even get the one set up; my school disabled it last year due to some issue they couldn't be bothered to figure out.
@ShotgunNinja (b) Seriously? That's, like, the downfall of MS. (I luckily only have 1.)
21:28
@PhillipSchmidt - I wish I knew how hackers work their magic sometimes. It somehow autoloads the virus when you open the email.
Insecure email clients.
@TravisJ Most of it is embedded Javascript in an HTML e-mail.
@TravisJ oh ok, I was thinking more like data security. That makes more sense
If email clients would be perfect, email viruses would be impossible.
ugh.... why must my company still use CVS
21:29
cries
Super annoying and time-consuming.
Well I have never got a virus from using Thunderbird.
Social engineering is the #1 risk to security, IMO
Yeah, James Bond will always be a danger.
@Pheonixblade9 Agreed. Now could you please reset my password?
21:29
@Pheonixblade9 As testified by Frank Abagnale.
@ShotgunNinja what could someone possibly do with embedded javascript, though, short of drive-by downloads, which won't do anything unless you open them anyway
question mark
lol, Catch Me If You Can, bitches!
Never seen it.
It's the movie they made out of Frank Abagnale, Jr.'s story. Leo Dicaprio and Tom Hanks. Good movie
I know.
Just never watched it.
@PhillipSchmidt Most of what they do is drive-by downloads... there are some e-mail viruses that simply bust security vulnerabilities in the client itself, but those are due to retarded coding.
@Pheonixblade9 I love that movie so very much. I also like the TV series White Collar.
I love having half of the star leaderboard. It gives me a warm, fuzzy, horny feeling inside.
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@ShotgunNinja but there's nothing a drive by download could do to cause any real damage to your machine without you executing the file yourself, right?
@PhillipSchmidt It depends on how sandboxed the download environment is in the email client.
that's why I use Gmail.
it's weird that webmail is the most secure commonly used form of mail
21:36
@ShotgunNinja I don't see how, though. Unless the email client opens the files or scripts or whatever automatically. But that would be retarded.
I guess you could spoof it as an image or something
@PhillipSchmidt there are ways to embed javascript in an image, I think
when it loads the image, executes the JS ?
That's what I was saying
but then we're back to the whole "javascript can't do shit to your computer" thing
but you could just as easily slip some vbscript or whatever you want in there
Cannot believe my luck in finding the problem to this:
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A: Syntax issue - hiding and displaying a selector if another selection is made

Stuart Blackler Don't re-connect to the database every function Re-type the last line of the jquery, it has a hidden character at the end. so the line highlighted here: <script type="text/javascript"> $(document).ready(function() { $('#Catid').change(function(){ ...

@Pheonixblade9 it's actually really easy to do, too
but its not really hiding an exe in an image as much as it is disguising your script as an image
the image doesn't actually exist
@StuartBlackler nice.
Dang, room died all of the sudden lol
21:57
@TravisJ I have seen benchmarks that showed bigger differences, also would be interesting to see it compared to raw SQL
@PhillipSchmidt rooms[7].Live();
I think it threw an exception or something
Gosh, more dumb crap from the Java room. Some guy came in, posted a link to an SO question he posted... which was an exact duplicate of one he commented on 5 minutes earlier.
@ShotgunNinja what do you say about C# in c++ room? :)
This is why I've never entered the Java room.
22:04
@Johan Only that you guys are more friendly and relaxed than they are, lol
@ShotgunNinja hahaha thats funny

...java room
You can look up my posts in any room if you don't believe that.
How about I read your email instead?
@KendallFrey No thanks.
@ShotgunNinja I believe it, was joking. We are friendly but not very relaxed. We flag for nothing.
22:05
@PhillipSchmidt iknorite
@JohanLarsson flagged
I have never been abused in c++, find them fun & friendly
@PhillipSchmidt - flagged for flagging.
@TravisJ flagged myself for having been flagged
22:06
In C++, they use flags to 'ban' people.
@KendallFrey how?
@PhillipSchmidt - Reflagging both you and myself for flagging, and also, Kendall for using the word flag and ban in the same sentence.
Flagged myself, just to get it over with.
I should have a DNA flag for bringing it up
goddamn, I really do have all but 3 spots on the leaderboard
22:09
I wish I could give you negative stars
If you keep taking spots on the leaderboard I am going to have to flag you, myself, and anyone else who mentions it.
@Pheonixblade9 bring the hq, I'm hoovering!
@Pheonixblade9 is quickly rising up the leaderboard...
@Pheonixblade9 now you have all the spots on my screen
QUICK, PUSH VORRTEX OFF THE LEADERBOARD! GO GO GO
22:10
fail
next
I'M GONNA SCREENSHOT THIS SHIT AND PUT IT ON MY RESUME
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Add that to it too, while your at it.
@JohanLarsson YOUR MOTHER IS A WHORE. GIVE ME MY STARS
@Pheonixblade9 close
22:11
hahahaha
I love you guys
No homo
@Pheonixblade9 Reported.
Twang! There goes a flag!
gf hates when I chuckle in front of the computer like now
22:12
Uh-oh. Here comes Zoidberg to complain.
@ShotgunNinja don't fight the greatness.
user142019
@ShotgunNinja Implying anyone takes it serious.
@Zoidberg'-- they're just jealous of my greatness
@ShotgunNinja why?
@Zoidberg'-- Well, you certainly did when you hopped in here...
user142019
22:13
No.
user142019
41 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
Uh-oh. Here comes Zoidberg to complain.
user142019
:P
user142019
Also hi whatsup.
Don't ban @Pheonixblade9 it is a joke
Complaining is for the weak. Real men use physical violence.
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22:14
Done work, waiting for my ride to be done too.
user1182183
need to see this
user1182183
ok what's going on here?
I don't think he came in to complain, clearly his code is bad and needs help from the c# room.
@EtiennedeMartel lol etienne, you're Canadian, don't talk about physical violence.
I think @Pheonixblade9 stirred up SO chat a bit
user142019
22:14
@GamErix people chatting.
@ShotgunNinja Québécois. We got a French side that makes us quite angry all the time.
Here comes another joke about @JohanLarsson's mom...
@EtiennedeMartel But you've got a Canadian side that makes you apologize, too, amirite?
user142019
What shall I write in C# today.
@ShotgunNinja No. Only amongst ourselves.
22:15
a struct?
@Zoidberg'-- A suicide note.
@Zoidberg'-- A solution to a real problem?
user142019
// I hate your life.
@Zoidberg'-- A MMOFPS
user142019
@ShotgunNinja done.
22:16
Instead of the solutions looking for a problem that you keep writing all the time?
@EtiennedeMartel how to be a man:
@Zoidberg'-- Wow, your code is rather hateful.
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel what is an example of a real problem?
user142019
ANIMATED GIF KILL IT WITH FIRE
@Zoidberg'-- Something that's not imaginary.
user142019
22:17
Good point.
We should do this more, sacrifice one poster to lure in more 10k's
user142019
Pi is a real problem!
user142019
@JohanLarsson no. :<
@Zoidberg'-- Only for the waistlin.
@JohanLarsson I stir up SO chat from time to time. It's entertaining
22:18
@JohanLarsson wait who was the sacrifice?
thanks for knowing the problem on my answer @KendallFrey
i had no idea why i could see it and he couldnt
user142019
I once answered a question on Stack Overflow before it was asked. I guessed the question and I was right. xD
Oh, lol.
@ShotgunNinja I really think you should write in chat before flagging, and we have to adjust I guess
@Zoidberg'-- So did Jon Skeet. Your point is invalid.
22:19
@PhillipSchmidt I guess @Pheonixblade9 was pretty close
I dont get it. I'm going back to sleep.
@StuartBlackler I could both see it and not see it. It all depended on the Encoding.
Disregard solutions, acquire problems
uphill struggle now^
@KendallFrey and @StuartBlackler, so I guess that means the jsfiddle interpreter just runs over special chars, then, since it worked on the fiddle
22:25
i guess so
@JohanLarsson I know. Maybe I need to make more jokes about your mum.
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+1
It's been a while since we did not just get collectively dumber, hq C# anyone?
@JohanLarsson Re-read that, and tell me if it makes sense.
Syntax error: Unexpected keyword 'just' following '... since we did not'.
@ShotgunNinja no, can not parse it either. Can not make it better either I'm lost in the abyss of dumb already
@ShotgunNinja - Clearly, it shouldn't read we did not get collectively dumber, just.
22:29
Welcome to Hell, @GioL
also:
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/6910523#6910523
timing was lol
22:42
We are all a little embarrassed over how poor the transcript must have looked when we got visitors I guess.
woo, 12 minutes until a 4-day weekend.
woo, 12 minutes, until another 2 hours of work, until a 1 day weekend
@TravisJ You work on Sunday before New Year's?
projecteuler.net anyone here does this?
@JohanLarsson Bahaha, the C++ room was going gaga over that today.
22:51
@ShotgunNinja Yeah, I found it there
@ShotgunNinja - Yup, I work every Sunday, I am almost working on the 1st.
@TravisJ Gross.
Yeah well, I have deadlines I am trying to keep. Did you know that the word deadline comes from a line they would draw around prisons, and if you crossed it, they shot you?
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@TravisJ Cool.
no, that was star quality trivia
22:55
Is there a game dev room?
It somehow lost popularity.
Hmm...
@CCInc - You are in it.
@TravisJ Hmm, I wonder why. cough Scrubs cough
So should I make a dedicated one?
22:56
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Ah, ok.
I will just use this room
this looks ambiguous at best in that? ^
well, folks, I'm out of here. Happy early New Year's!
To you too!
23:01
Happy New Year @Shotgun :)
bye @ShotgunNinja
HNY @ShotgunNinja
> Perhaps influenced by earlier use (1864) to mean the "do-not-cross" line in Civil War prisons
Any one have suggestions on <$140 office chairs?
Why more than $140? IKEA has an awesome one for like $70
23:07
Silly me
Link?
Let me see if I can find it, gimme a minute
They must not have it anymore :( /heartbroken .. I was going to buy like 5 of them for work. I found these ones, but they are not the same. ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10196596 , ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30212487
@CCInc Office Depot has some good deals
I used to work there :)
Office chairs are one of the few products for which the extended warranty is actually worth it
That LazBoy will be uncomfortable for long periods of time
23:13
@CCInc - I like this one from your links: officedepot.com/a/products/913614/…
Do you prefer a high, mid, or low backed chair?
That is the same style as the one I was thinking of from IKEA
They are nice because there is a little cushion right in your lower back.
@Pheonixblade9 What does that mean?
I have two 1000$' office chairs in my kitchen for some reason. I have bought both for my hard earned, just don't know why.
@CCInc low back chair:
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mid:
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23:15
Well, I am about 6' so I don't want a tiny chair, I want to fully fit
low supports the small of your back, mid supports your entire back, high supports your head, as well
you'll fit in any chair, it depends on what seating style you prefer
a mid-high back is best for long periods of sitting
low back is best for short periods
(I used to sell the shit out of some chairs at Office Depot, lol)
Well I spend at least 2 hours a day consistently at the computer
Well, I really like mesh chairs.
mesh chairs?
yeah. Instead of a foam cushion, they use mesh suspension as a cushion
23:18
Ok, I think I will say high back
high backs are usually more expensive, might be tough to find
but I'll see what I can do
Now whats the difference between executive and normal chair?
executive chair = high back
(so the executives can take naps between counting money)
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@CCInc that might be ok, but I'm personally not a fan of tougher leather chairs
23:19
I don't like mesh, isn't that the plasticy hard chairs?
well
it's usually a fabric mesh
See, I just don't like that plastic
I am in a wood chair right now, I want an office chair so that I am comfortable and soft
I just starred "C# is wonderful." in the c++ room, feel free to drop by and star++
@CCInc that plastic on the back isn't hard, it's actually fabric
@JohanLarsson I don't like the C++ room
@Pheonixblade9 Should I stop by office depot and test out the different types?
@CCInc all the more reason? A quick hit-and-run?
I starred it, too
in Lounge<C++>, Dec 7 at 0:42, by CC Inc
Nov 24 at 21:37, by sbi
@CCInc Do look at the upper right of your browser window. Notice how it says Lounge there? See, a lounge is a place to hang out at. This is not a C++ hotline. Now look down further. See those lines in fat font telling you to look at the newbie hints before you burst into the door with a question. Well, if I'd be you, I'd do this now.
Like I'm a noob
23:24
W T F THEY CALL THIS HIGH BACK?!
I like that style, that is what I have at home. At work I have a pos, need to upgrade
WHAT IS THIS, A HIGH BACK CHAIR FOR ANTS? IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST... THREE TIMES THIS BIG
I KNOW RIGHT!!!
Ok, of all of these, which would you choose?
THAT IS ONLY ONE
you linked to over 9000 chairs
I actually linked only 120
23:27
@CCInc you can get a much better deal at Amazon, I think.
look at the rating
that one is rated for 5+ hours/day
it actually makes a difference
(and they're usually fairly accurate and not complete BS)
The reason I don't want to order from Amazon is that I actually want to try the chair
Cause if its not comfortable, I ain't buyin it
@CCInc Amazon prime... free return shipping
I order 3 different sizes of jeans, return the 2 that don't fit me
I know, but I am NOT sending back an office chair, that's just too much work
@CCInc they send it to you in a box that you can reseal
all you have to do is print a label and tape it up
is that worth saving $50-100 to you?
Mmm not really
My parents are getting on me about "hoarding" my money
23:33
Well maybe they should hoard a little more :P
Nothing wrong with saving your money
Indeed, that is what I said
@Pheonixblade9 amazon.com/s/…
Not saving much
23:44
@Pheonixblade9 What do you mean, the La-Z-Boy will be uncomfortable?
@CCInc shrug up to you :) just my suggestion
is it just me, or is google slow at the moment?
@TravisJ Quick as light for me
About 13,430,000,000 results (0.23 seconds)
It is back, was slow for approximately 34 seconds :P
I almost had to use bing!
:O :O :O
23:47
did you know Bing is actually an acronym? "Because Its Not Google"
No, for what?
Hey, will somebody be a pal and type out what this says for me?
Is there any microsoft/bing link confirming that or... was it a joke?
@CCInc sure, no problem
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:D
and @CCInc don't worry about "hoarding" your money. It's called saving.
But seriously, life is short, spend some of it. I learned that the boring way.
23:51
A good C# discussion. What could I say more.
Fiduciary responsibility != never spending money
@MajesticRa C# and other things :)
Official residence of the Governor of Texas. By law, each chief executive must live here during his term of office. Before the erection of this building in 1855-1856, the only official executive home had been the rough, two-story frame "President's House" at present Seventh and San Jacinto streets. Within these walls, many decisions of statewide import have taken place. Here in 1861, Gov. Sam Houston decided not to support the Confederacy.
<3 your a pal @TravisJ
Also, like numerous 19th-century houses, the mansion acquired a ghost story after the nephew of Gov. Pendleton Murrah (1863-1865) committed suicide here. Built some thirty years before the pink granite capitol, this structure was first occupied by Gov. Elisha M. Pease, who selected the site and design. Pioneer architect-contractor Abner Cook supervised the construction of the stately residence, in Greek Revival style.
Austin-made bricks were used, and huge pine logs were hauled from Bastrop, then adzed to form the six massive pillars with Ionic capitals. Distinguished visitors have included U.S. Presidents and heads of state from other countries. More than perhaps any other residence in Texas, the Governor's Mansion is a repository of Texas history. (1969) (Recorded Texas Historic Landmark - 1962)
I did data entry in a past life.
Ah, interesting stuff, eh?
23:53
tldr
TL;DR: Fuck you Texas, fuck the Lone Star state
"More than perhaps any other residence in Texas, the Governor's Mansion is a repository of Texas history. "
LOL THATS FUNNY because they won't let ANYONE inside the mansion
Eve
Eve
If I find something that looks like a mistake in SO, should I open a question in meta?
@Eve like what?
If you enjoy being flamed then definitely open a question in meta.
Eve
Eve
23:56
I don't know, looks like someone got something wrong in the editing help, or maybe it's a joke so subtle that goes above my head.
in Lounge<C++>, 31 secs ago, by Borgleader
Why are there so many stars on the idiotboard?
Eve
Eve
That page isn't editable by users, is it?
@Eve link
-55 Q: [tag:bug] I found a bug.
+65 A: That is a feature.
Result: Secretly fix bug.
wheres the "bug"?
Eve
Eve
1. Numbered lists are easy
2. Markdown keeps track of the numbers for you
7. So this will be item 3.
Wow, C++ chat sounds like a bunch of assholes
@CCInc you got your revenge?
23:58
@JohanLarsson No, how could I?
@CCInc they noticed our sneaky stars

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