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mr5
10:00 AM
amount in money
 
actually it may be possible to purchase a percentage of a stock nowadays
 
@CaptainObvious but. But. It's not Oracle
 
there are penny stocks that cost literal pennies
 
mr5
if you buy all the stocks, do you own the entire company?
 
so you could conceivably buy 1 stock worth 50 cents and pay 50 cents
 
10:00 AM
Yes
 
@mr5 no, you own only a percentage of the company made available to the public
 
mr5
I have 10PHP in my bank, can I purchase stocks with that amount?
 
Probably. Not very many but sure
 
and they rarely make more than 50% available
 
But if he did own all of them, then he would own the company
 
10:01 AM
yes
 
That's all of the shares, not all of the lsited shares though
 
mr5
how do they distribute how many stocks or how do they determine how many stocks they have?
 
Companies usually list themselves to make a wedge of money
 
mr5
Company price == Total Stock Price?
 
So they make a guess at how much the company is worth, and how many shares they have, then they work out how much each share is worth and then sell enough to make as much as they want
 
10:03 AM
10 php is equivalent of 20 us cents
there are some that invest heavily in penny stocks, because you can buy a lot of them, so a one cent jump in a penny stock is huge
but they can also fall just as easily
 
For example, if you had a company worth $1bn and needed to make $200m, you'd sell 20% of the shares
 
lets say you should know what you're doing before you do that. company can and do drop regularly with penny stocks
 
If there were 1m shares, then you'd sell 200,000 of them
Penny stocks also tend to have smaller incremements anyway. And also less volume
 
That dude
It doesn't even annoy me
 
Just keep kicking him and the timeout increases
 
10:08 AM
@mr5 im not sure people want to be paid in PHP projects
now, if you offer them C# projects, perhaps you can get some value out of it
 
24 secs ago, by Wietlol
now, if you offer them C# projects, perhaps you can get some value out of it
Wiet just said C# is worth something
 
about 20 cents
 
10 php is about 20 cents
 
no, you are using outdated exchange rates
 
google, stop being outdated!
 
10:11 AM
google wants to promote php prolly
 
@ntohl It's the Mysql connector that's fucking it up
 
oh dear.. I typed in www.stockoverflow.com in the browser..
what are you guys doing to me?!
 
I come back and see you all discussing stocks.. wtf
 
at least it wasnt www.stonksoverflow.com
also... who still writes www.?
 
People who write <domain> and then just press Ctrl+Enter
 
10:13 AM
I like chrome's autocompletion... sometimes
for example, if I type "g" in the url bar, it will suggest google.com
 
@Wietlol I'll still get the occasional "here, let me search for stackoverflow.com in my default search engine for you"
 
until I go to some gibberish website, then "g" will suggest www.gibberish.com and I am like "get that gibberish out of my suggestions"
 
www. prefix tends to prevent that from ever being the case
 
Chrome's autocomplete is garbage
 
for SO, I write "stac"
and then it autocompletes
 
10:15 AM
so do I, at home
 
for chat, I only do "c"
 
sometimes, I get to a totally different website
 
Thanks Oracle
 
like... cornhub for example
but mostly, it opens the SO chat
 
10:16 AM
I only have to do st for Stackoverflow
 
me too, but I just tend to write many characters with my left hand
 
Not quite good enough for just the s
 
o/
@CaptainObvious feel free to push an update and increase the timeout
 
I've got my own shit to develop at home
I've been building a cards system for trackign scores and results of card games (and 100% doesn't include stakes on the games or any gambling related features whatsoever), promise)
 
i64 used to store bool?
 
10:29 AM
Yes, welcome to the Mysql connector
Oh wait
it's even worse
It's not an Int64 used to store a bool
 
@CaptainObvious you closed the brackets before the 'promise', suspicious...
 
Oracle have decided that the boolean needs to be sent to the program as a UInt64
 
But why...
 
Because 64 bits is 64 times better than 1 bit
 
That must be what they were thinking
 
10:33 AM
and from a technical point of view, the CPU probably always deals with 64 bit signals
 
Future proof for quantum booleans
 
there are 64 reasons to use int64 instead of bit
 
UTF32 (TRUE | FALSE) string is better than Int64 lol
 
so a boolean would have to eventually be converted to 0x0000000000000001
 
@DKDhilip define "better"
 
10:34 AM
Looooonger is better
 
it may be smaller (depending on the architecture of the string, but I dont think it is better
 
I don't know if it'd be worth the extra space needed on the CPU to have boolean algebra
 
UTF-32 encoded string
 
so it's funny to say, but converting boolean to 64 bit makes sense
 
I actually converted a set of booleans to a set of int64 (long) for optimizations
but... I put up to 64 booleans in one int64
 
10:36 AM
s/for optimizations/for preoptimizations/
 
only the last one had fewer
 
Yeha but you'd have to decode the string
 
@Neil I really needed that optimization tho
 
Space vs time
 
I wrote it first as Array<Array<Boolean>>
 
10:37 AM
so long as you're doing it in the compiler and not obliging the coder to use like 1L
 
@Neil Cool, let's tell the CPU to convert data from 1 type to another in our program, so the CPU doesn't have to convert the data.
 
which was basically a grid of booleans (pixels which could be black or white)
 
Bit mask?
 
@HéctorÁlvarez there's no conversion. in assembly you're not dealing with booleans
 
so, I optimized it to be a single array Array<Boolean> but it was still being a bit slow
then I used Array<Long>
and it became a lot faster
 
10:38 AM
OIC
 
How about ulong[]
 
also, because I could apply bitmasks to convert the booleans in bulks
@DKDhilip there is no difference between long and ulong in my use case
 
What do you mean there's no difference
 
I used it as a bitset, so the numeric value was irrelevant
 
10:39 AM
> in my use case
 
Well that's just dum
 
:D
 
lol
 
@CaptainObvious I needed the optimization tho
 
C# still don't provide Int128
 
10:40 AM
also... I suppose the performance issue was that the runtime was JS
 
llvm supports a really long int
> The integer type is a very simple type that simply specifies an arbitrary bit width for the integer type desired. Any bit width from 1 bit to 2^23-1 (about 8 million) can be specified.
basically int8388607
 
Future proofing
 
Why in the bloody fuck would you need an Int128
 
because
 
10:46 AM
IPv6
 
Yeah but nobody uses IPv6
 
why would you need an int8388607 ?
it would be a number with 2,516,583 digits
 
@CaptainObvious we do
 
Ew why
 
@DKDhilip another rust-fanboy?
@CaptainObvious Cuz we haz brains
 
10:48 AM
Meanwhile here we've got 10 IPv4 addresses and we're only using 1
 
@Squirrelintraining I'm not
 
one of my colleagues needs a new laptop... and they are considering 64GiB ram...
 
i have no clue
I am like... 16 is plenty
32 if you use a mac
 
Are they planning on building node applications? Or running Chrome?
Macs don't even need that much
 
10:50 AM
they do
because we still have some projects that dont run on macs
so, they need parallels
 
My chrome only used about 20GB+ RAM
 
and run windows on their mac
 
> 640K ought to be enough for anybody.
 
where is that quote from?
 
Bill Gates?
 
10:52 AM
supposedly Bill Gates said that
 
lol
 
though he denies it
 
@Wietlol To calculate more digits of pi without using floating point?
 
I am usually not so fast with stuff like that... but by the time we need 128-bit machines for common use because of the ram limit on 64-bit machines, I will probably be dead
 
we have a way of calculating the digits of pi starting from any digit without calculating all the previous digits
 
10:53 AM
lol
 
@Neil we do?
 
I assume we cant tell at which position the sequence starts tho
 
would be handy algorithm if, say, we found out where the sequence of digits lies that contains all the works of shakespeare
 
just that it is (probably) a sequence in pi
 
X Window System is good enough for everything
 
10:54 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez yep, very handy algorithm
 
at least if you need to calculate the digits of pi anyway
 
Can we find the first place where we get 3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333?
 
theoretically possible, but we haven't found it yet
so long as it doesn't stay at 3
 
how would it be possible?
 
10:55 AM
I only remembered 100 digits PI lol
 
it's an irrational number. it goes on and never repeats
 
@Neil we could make a storage technology where the data is stored as the offset and length in pi
 
I mean, how would it be possible to keep getting the same number for a very long sequence
 
@Wietlol the offset would probably be bigger than the data itself though
 
true
 
10:56 AM
128bit offset
 
The number is calculated as a division, right?
 
@HéctorÁlvarez since it goes on forever, that leaves any combination of digits feasibly possible
 
there's the length in diameters vs the length of circumferences.
 
there's no rule that says that the next digit has to be different from the previous
 
yes but there must be some limits
 
10:57 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez Ye, PI is a very simple number, it is TAU / 2
 
if you divide 3/7 for example you also get an irrational number
 
the limit is this.. it can't repeat (in the sense that eventually it must break the pattern)
 
3.14159265358979323846264[33]
 
so for however many 3 digits in the digits of pi, it will eventually be a number different than 3
statistically improbable, but not impossible
 
@HéctorÁlvarez the difference is that the division of numbers like 3 and 7 leaves a repeating remainder
 
11:00 AM
True... true...
 
the remainder is (1/3) / 10^x
 
I don't understand though
It's just a simple division
 
where x is the digit offset
for pi, the remainder is not that simple
 
circumference / diameter
 
@HéctorÁlvarez 3/7 is a rational number
if it weren't rational, you wouldn't be able to represent it as p / n
 
11:01 AM
for example, if the remainder was (1000000/3000001) / 10^1, the sequence would stop after a while
even tho you would get some threes in a sequence
 
@CaptainObvious can you switch to downloads.mariadb.org/connector-odbc ?
 
I think it has been proven that pi can never be represented as p / n
don't ask me how they come to that conclusion, but to say that a number never repeats and to say that it can't be represented as p / n is the same thing ultimately
 
@Neil how about... tau/2 ?
also, radius / diameter
so, pi / 1 = pi
 
p and n have to positive non fractional
 
@Wietlol tau isn't an integer
 
11:05 AM
aw
 
Aight now I read some wikipedia and understand that p/n gibberish
 
well yeah.. though if you want, I'll allow you to write out tau in its entirety and I'll accept that as an answer...
 
although, pi shouild logically be representable as p / n
 
why?
I think that's how they disproved it, by assuming p and n exist and showing that that can't be true
 
just make n = 10^numberOfDigitsInPi
and make p = pi*n
if pi is infinitely long, then n is also infinite and p is also infinite
and we all know, infinite / infinite = pi
 
11:07 AM
so p and n are both infinity?
 
how about p = pi², n=pi
 
deep
 
@Neil tau is fractional, so you shouldn't accept it
 
I assume positive infinity on integer can be called an integer
 
@ntohl I was joking :)
 
11:08 AM
just not a rational number...
or... whatever the category was called
 
If he wanted to write out all the digits of tau, he'd never finish
 
The only Tau is the Shas'O commander
 
@Neil ok ok. But still not p/n
 
That's the value of Tau
 
ba dum tss?
 
11:09 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez where is the rank?
 
on a side note, am I the only one who uses both pi and tau?
 
so I can check out the value?
I use neither of those
 
I'll use tau if my calculations always require 2*pi
 
you must use something
 
but only if you don't need pi at that point
 
11:10 AM
I use my hand
and my eyes
 
for something like the circumference, it doesnt matter
 
morning boys and girls
 
you can use tau*radius or pi*diameter
 
@ntohl (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
but for stuff like surface...
 
11:11 AM
@Neil ` `pun indented
 
also, found out something that boggles my mind
If you have a mass sliding across a frictionless surface pushing against a smaller mass against a wall, the number of collisions is some expression of pi
 
only if the mass is 10^6 10^5 and 1 obviously
I wrote a program for that once
 
which was pretty damn accurate
 
how many collisions would you say 10,000 kg has vs a 1 kg weight?
 
11:13 AM
oh wait...
10^6 also worked
for 10,000kg vs 1kg, you would get 314159 collisions
 
nop. 314 it sais
 
it's an approximation of pi
 
uhm...
 
I watched the video and still don't fully understand it
and yeah, it is 314
but it goes on to show even higher weights
 
@CaptainObvious so you are making a gambling site?
 
11:19 AM
@CaptainSquirrel with hookers
 
@Neil the calculations are just something special with increase and decrease of velocity on collision between objects where pi is somehow involved in it
 
supposedly it has to do with the formula for the conservation of energy
 
basically, raising the mass ratio by *10 adds more precision
an object with 10^inf mass would result in pi
it was a fun program to write
but at 10^7 I think my program became a bit slow
losing a lot of frames when the larger object reaches the smaller object
where many collisions would appear
I assume if I wrote it for a faster platform, it would support more collisions
 
well that'd be like a very inefficient way of counting up to pi times 10^8
 
but JS is something that runs
it is very inefficient, indeed
but at least my program was 100% accurate
unlike many of the other programs, which at some point lose accuracy... and they "fix" it by making more updates per second
or by reducing the initial velocity of the larger object
 
11:26 AM
whoa
 
... now that I think of it... I am not sure you can just reduce the initial velocity
but I may just be paranoid
 
it's because the conservation of energy formula with the mass and velocity is plotted as a circle
and with each collision, you're subdividing that circle into equal sized pieces of that circle
meaning you're ultimately dealing with pi. the radius determines the amount of energy in the system, but it's irrelevant
 
et champignon
 
12:00 PM
Hans, bring the flammenwerfer
 
Oh mah boi, I am yet again blocked.
 
How about wordpress
 
I was suprised that you ain't hans
 
I'm also sometimes surprised I'm not hans
 
12:08 PM
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If any madara-like-creature shows up, he's been asked politely to write english and just decided to troll with what ever language thats supposed to be.
 
I wonder how often we need to kick him to get to one year
 
I think it's 2 more times
 
Also hi J.Doe o/
 
Hello @J.Doe
You can learn sth from that dude
 
I don't think he can though
 
12:12 PM
Maybe
Never give up
 
my steel toe boots are tearing aparrrttt
 
Jack, learn squirrelfire <>https://dennisthevizsla.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/squirrel_flamethrower_2956553652_o.jpg
 
I've learned the command squirrelfire
 
Jack, learn squirrelfire2 <>http://theburningtruth.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/SquirrelFlameThrower.jpg
 
I've learned the command squirrelfire2
 
12:21 PM
Jack, weeb
 
Sep 10 '19 at 11:25, by J. Doe
GTFO weeb to your trash can
 
J.Doe has 301 days to go
until he can bless us with his crazy talk once again
 
his icon reminds me of something one of my catholic friends would use as their picture
like on of them the other day shared a video of some guys partying on the street and he was like "when human rights are abolished"
 
12:24 PM
this same guy was kicked out of a server I invited him to a couple weeks ago for calling a trans person reprobate and saying that her talk about trans people in pokemon is the reason why "everyone hates your ilk"
 
I swear
 
and now you know why I hate being bisexual :^)
 
Jack, J.DoeUnbanTimer
 
I don't understand mate
 
@CaptainSquirrel work your magic pl0x
 
12:31 PM
wat
 
Jack, black
 
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Jack, countdown
 
12:34 PM
welp, clearly commands is broken
which is so dumb
 
> one of my catholic friends
Doesn't sound like somebody I'd wanna be friends with
 
@CaptainSquirrel Not really. The gambling happens in the real world, but we need somewhere to keep track of everything, and endless notepads and onenote and all that was getting fiddly
 
so you're a filthy gambler ey
 
@Squirrelkiller sound like not really CoC approved note
 
12:43 PM
Haven't been the casino in a while though
NAH
 
Damn you were faster
@ntohl Church of Catholicia?
 
And I'm eating my lunch too
Just an entire tray of macaroni cheese
 
(Catholicia not as 'Alicia' but in teh more latin pronouciation)
 
Does the mute top out at 30 mins?
If so we might have to deploy the big guns next time and get a proper mute going
 
12:49 PM
I think it might keep going
 
I only ask becauyse the last one while I was out was 30 minutes
And then that was also 30 minutes
 

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